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Posted by: Acandis.3250

Acandis.3250

http://strawpoll.me/666648

What do I mean by “Normal Queue” ?

I mean a queue where you can queue up by yourself, or with up to 4 other friends, and get matched against another group of 5 players.
This Queue will take into account your Solo Rating, but the outcome of the match will not affect your rating.

There is the alleged concern that the SPvP population cannot be more split into different queues or the game will lose more popularity.

What does this entail?

This would mean that instead of 2 queues (solo AKA sync queue, and tryhards vs casuals queue) we would have 3 queues.

  • Solo Queue: queue up with the idea that people won’t be able to sync queue anymore. Affects Solo Rating
  • Team Queue: 5v5 ONLY. Affects Team Rating
  • Normal Queue: Anything goes. Doesn’t affect any rating.

Edit:
This “Normal” or “Unrated” Queue would be really fitting if hotjoins disappeared entirely. The ever-diminishing hotjoin population could be simply funneled into unrated queues, just for people to have fun. As an added bonus, there would be no more complaints about 8thieves OMG nerf pls.

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Posted by: Romek.4201

Romek.4201

we allready have this – called team Queue

guess what you want is an Unrated Queue like hotjoin but as a tournament

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Posted by: Myrmidian Eudoros.4671

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671

I’ve advocated this as Unrated Que to outright replace Hot Joins for a long time.

In order to do it you have to erase Hot Join completely and just leave the custom servers that are paid for. It would improve the quality of the game immensely in all queues, because people would actually learn how to play correctly in the unrated queue before they got into rated play.

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Posted by: Luthan.5236

Luthan.5236

I’d rather prefer a “choose your map” queue. Getting trolled by the game atm and only getting maps I don’t like and my favourite map Temple is not popping up often.

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Posted by: brannigan.9831

brannigan.9831

If they got rid of hotjoins I would be ok with it. Otherwise it just will increase the queue times for rated queues.

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Posted by: infantrydiv.1620

infantrydiv.1620

I feel like a non-rated, anything goes queue would be a lot more laid back and appeal to PvEr’s who want the Champion titles for their character. It could even have Raid on the Capricorn in the rotation and replace hotjoin entirely.

Not only would this prompt people to purchase more custom arenas, I think it would be a better experience in general.

Ranger//Necro

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Posted by: NevirSayDie.6235

NevirSayDie.6235

I think unrated queue as a replacement for hotjoin is possible. The devs would want it to be extremely casual, though, since hotjoin is absolutely the most casual form of pvp possible (and for some reason, it’s been fairly popular since launch).

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Posted by: Myrmidian Eudoros.4671

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671

I think unrated queue as a replacement for hotjoin is possible. The devs would want it to be extremely casual, though, since hotjoin is absolutely the most casual form of pvp possible (and for some reason, it’s been fairly popular since launch).

The hop in, hop out mentality of Hot Join is what makes it so casual, but if you just replaced people with a random from queue when they left during a match then it would work fine. You could even allow spectators in unrated queue and give them a time window to jump in when someone leaves. It would keep more matches even numbered and more fun than HJ does too.

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Posted by: NevirSayDie.6235

NevirSayDie.6235

I think unrated queue as a replacement for hotjoin is possible. The devs would want it to be extremely casual, though, since hotjoin is absolutely the most casual form of pvp possible (and for some reason, it’s been fairly popular since launch).

The hop in, hop out mentality of Hot Join is what makes it so casual, but if you just replaced people with a random from queue when they left during a match then it would work fine. You could even allow spectators in unrated queue and give them a time window to jump in when someone leaves. It would keep more matches even numbered and more fun than HJ does too.

Right. Here’s hoping the devs are willing to try it.

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Posted by: Killthehealersffs.8940

Killthehealersffs.8940

Hop in and hop out
and
you choose any map (or any future mode) you wish :P

Also no w8 time and some ppl enjoy mass battle as we learned in game mode topic :P

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Posted by: Sars.8792

Sars.8792

idk about your idea …but it would be nice to have a option to blacklist one or two servers…. cough skyhammer.

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Posted by: Rallad.3802

Rallad.3802

I’ve advocated this as Unrated Que to outright replace Hot Joins for a long time.

In order to do it you have to erase Hot Join completely and just leave the custom servers that are paid for. It would improve the quality of the game immensely in all queues, because people would actually learn how to play correctly in the unrated queue before they got into rated play.

This.

As long as hotjoin lives, it’s 1) sucking out life from the queues, 2) a mediocre way to experience spvp.

However, there must be some form of matchmaking (heh). While teaming up with a few friend for fun is nice- a full premade stomping randoms is no-no.

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Posted by: Brigg.6189

Brigg.6189

The merit of hotjoin is that its a low stress environment to work on your mechanicals imo. I don’t actually play to win most of the time, just pick fights and test my abilities against different classes or 2v1s etc.

I think unrated matches make sense, but not to replace HJ. Unrated would be good for practicing playing to win, but I think you should still have HJ to give people a place to just screw around. Take away hotjoin and I’d be afraid unrated tournies would just be hotjoin 2, now with a queue.

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Posted by: Myrmidian Eudoros.4671

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671

The merit of hotjoin is that its a low stress environment to work on your mechanicals imo. I don’t actually play to win most of the time, just pick fights and test my abilities against different classes or 2v1s etc.

I think unrated matches make sense, but not to replace HJ. Unrated would be good for practicing playing to win, but I think you should still have HJ to give people a place to just screw around. Take away hotjoin and I’d be afraid unrated tournies would just be hotjoin 2, now with a queue.

The place to “screw around” is Custom Arena. The volume of players that are in Hot Join now coupled with no matchmaking would make queues pretty close to non-existent.

And what would be stressful about unrated play? People who rage about bad play in Hot Join servers are fools, and so it would be in unrated play. The only “stress” you could possibly feel is from yourself or buffoons that you shouldn’t take seriously anyway.

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Posted by: Acandis.3250

Acandis.3250

The place to “screw around” is Custom Arena. The volume of players that are in Hot Join now coupled with no matchmaking would make queues pretty close to non-existent.

And what would be stressful about unrated play? People who rage about bad play in Hot Join servers are fools, and so it would be in unrated play. The only “stress” you could possibly feel is from yourself or buffoons that you shouldn’t take seriously anyway.

I want to reiterate what you said.
If all the population in hotjoins were funneled into Solo/Team/“Unranked” Queues, most of the lower MMR queue times would be very low.

Keep in mind, custom servers would still be around, so it’s not like all “hotjoins” will disappear.

Hotjoins, have forever been a place were people go to grind, and many of those people come back to the forums and complain about how OP the 8 of 1 class they ran into is. Hotjoins, have been toxic to the growth of SPvP from the start.

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Posted by: kirito.4138

kirito.4138

  • Make “Play Now” button the only way to join a hotjoin server.
  • Make all hotjoin server 5v5
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Posted by: Oni Link.4621

Oni Link.4621

A queue for non-rated matches it so obvious that I can’t understand why GW2 didn’t have since launch.
Hot-join was/is the worse match concept I have ever seen.

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Posted by: Romek.4201

Romek.4201

sry but asking here to remove hotjoin and at same time suggest to add a gamemode exact same like 5v5 hotjoin works is – silly – sry dont find other worths for this

just press the button for 5v5 hotjoin and you have what you want

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Posted by: Peow peow.2189

Peow peow.2189

I see, like an unranked queue… could be used for practice etc. I like this idea… however I dont think this games spvp community is big enough for that and…

the reason I think that is (being a relatively new player) is that spvp has too much of a learning curve, there needs to be a mode where noobs learn to just kill each other and win – > no fun to lose every game cuz u didnt cap the shiny circle.

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Posted by: Oni Link.4621

Oni Link.4621

sry but asking here to remove hotjoin and at same time suggest to add a gamemode exact same like 5v5 hotjoin works is – silly – sry dont find other worths for this

just press the button for 5v5 hotjoin and you have what you want

Ignore who asked for queued hotjoin, they are confused or drunk.
I (and many others) am talking about queued unrated games where you can NOT leave NOR jump in during the match.
Basically: same as arenas but unrated.

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Posted by: Darnis.4056

Darnis.4056

Two Words.

Coding Nightmare.

Will the Real Pink Puma Please stand up?

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Posted by: Acandis.3250

Acandis.3250

I see, like an unranked queue… could be used for practice etc. I like this idea… however I dont think this games spvp community is big enough for that and…

the reason I think that is (being a relatively new player) is that spvp has too much of a learning curve, there needs to be a mode where noobs learn to just kill each other and win – > no fun to lose every game cuz u didnt cap the shiny circle.

This is part of why in my original proposal (many many months ago) I suggested that 3 queues were added, and from rank 1-20 you can only queue up for Normals, not Ranked.
Just FYI, you can reach rank 20 inside a week, if you really try.

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Posted by: Myrmidian Eudoros.4671

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671

sry but asking here to remove hotjoin and at same time suggest to add a gamemode exact same like 5v5 hotjoin works is – silly – sry dont find other worths for this

just press the button for 5v5 hotjoin and you have what you want

You’ve missed your guess. This would be a dramatic improvement over the current Hot Join system.

It would eliminate 8v8 which never should have been introduced. All hot join was 5v5 during beta and it was unarguably a better system.

It would keep the numbers in matches remotely balanced without needing to auto-balance team to team nearly as often.

It would provide a better environment for testing, because people would actually tend to play the maps correctly instead of zerging about hap hazardly and multi-capping points.

This idea is just objectively better than Hot Join in every conceivable way.

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Posted by: Romek.4201

Romek.4201

looks like you dont even know there is 5v5 hotjoin – check the filters

when arenanet just would do a button on tournament npc “Join unranked” and send you in the 5v5 hotjoin alot would not even know they play hotjoin and think “wow what a cool new feature i can play 5v5 unranked” ^^

funny

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Posted by: Kavia.8249

Kavia.8249

I especially like this idea if it used your MMR to find you a match but your rank was unaffected. It would help make testing builds a lot easier b/c you don’t learn much from hotjoin and its kinda rough right now to go tank your rating in ranked queues while learning new classes / builds.

Kavia Kael
Champion Illusionist
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Posted by: Myrmidian Eudoros.4671

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671

looks like you dont even know there is 5v5 hotjoin – …

Sigh…

Apparently you simply don’t get the point. Virtually every poster in this thread is on the same page, but you seem to think that we don’t understand how Hot Join works.

Occasionally it is wise to ask one’s self if perhaps they have misunderstood something when it appears that everyone else is talking nonsense.

Anyway, I think this thread serves as evidence enough that the vast majority of the people with a basic understanding of PvP are in favor of this change and the permanent deletion of Hot Join.

Collaborative Development FTW! Lets get someone on this right away!

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Posted by: RaynStargaze.6510

RaynStargaze.6510

UNRATED SHOULD DEFINITELY BE AN OPTION _ GOOD SUGGESTION

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Posted by: Romek.4201

Romek.4201

I understand the point and you dont need to go aggro mode @Myrmidian….. cause someone dont think like you

Point is you guyz want unranked matches working like soloQ so people Que and join a matchup based on MMR and fight but gain or lose no Ranking – i know

But to make it simple: this will not work

Would arenanet bring something like this than i bet this matches would be the worsed experience ever in this game.
People dont care for winning just go around and do whatever they wanna do.
People just leave the match when enemy stronger or more pointz. Big % from this matches would end 1v5 or 2v5 or something like this.
People will ignore Meta or good builds and just run around and troll or test things.
People would use this to farm glory when “hotjoin” would be deletet.

It just dont work

And we already have this ingame when you wanna play 5v5 unranked – dont know why you ignore this. Yes there is no Que to join it or MMR filter but atleast its instant and you get new Players when others leave.