Guild Wars 2

Please allow us to at lest substitute the lower tier traits for highers one. A lot of the option for the grandmaster traits are just horrible. In so many cases I would rather take a master trait.

Wut? There is so many good traits for Engi, what are you talking about? I’ve been running a different build for each match and I still haven’t tried them all yet.

Chokolata.1870:

Please make the Ranger off hand training range increase baseline. Dagger, torch and axe OH are horrible without it. I think this has been an oversight.

It’s a WS master trait. The new skirmishing GM should work nicely with torch also.

Phaeton.9582:

Chokolata.1870:

Please make the Ranger off hand training range increase baseline. Dagger, torch and axe OH are horrible without it. I think this has been an oversight.

It’s a WS master trait. The new skirmishing GM should work nicely with torch also.

That trait increases your condi damage, not the range or bonfire radius.

Fluffball.8307:

Phaeton.9582:

Chokolata.1870:

Please make the Ranger off hand training range increase baseline. Dagger, torch and axe OH are horrible without it. I think this has been an oversight.

It’s a WS master trait. The new skirmishing GM should work nicely with torch also.

That trait increases your condi damage, not the range or bonfire radius.

Good point, well presented.

Can we get a TDM please?

Sagat.3285:

Can we get a TDM please?

Tiny Dirty Mattress?

Fluffball.8307:

Sagat.3285:

Can we get a TDM please?

Tiny Dirty Mattress?

Edit: Queue lol

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

:) That was awesome.

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

You really could have tested stuff a bit more though. Took me like 30 minuts to find bugs like healing spring not working for the ranger pet or incediary ammo not adding 3×2 burn stacks but only 3×2. There are actually way more.

Even some very mediocre testing would have found those but you do like no testing at all or if you do it then you just don’t care if stuff is broken.

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

Is this all there is to the new system or is there going to be more?
I heard something about elite specs

Testing arena net ever does that

Josh Davis.6015:

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

Is this all there is to the new system or is there going to be more?
I heard something about elite specs

I am curious you know about elite specializations but not the fact they are expansion only. Interesting.

PlatinumMember.5274:

Testing arena net ever does that

Josh Davis.6015:

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

Is this all there is to the new system or is there going to be more?
I heard something about elite specs

I am curious you know about elite specializations but not the fact they are expansion only. Interesting.

ok that sum it up thanks

Post patch build diversity IS worse because anet decided to KILL builds by removing traits that made them possible, and ensured that all the meta builds were untouched, ballanced, or buffed.

I thought we were all supposed to be able to play whatever we want? Why are you following in wow’s footsteps and simplifying the game over and over again. Why dont you just make it so simple a player only has to choose one trait line, one weapon, and one slot skill. “Are you gonna be a ranger that presses 1, 2, or 3?” “Are you gonna be an elementalist that uses fire? Air? Or water?”

Stop over simplifying crap.. seriously anet.. your killing this game. After this last patch im seriously about to quit before I ever get to HoT! Im tired of you making entire builds and characters of mine utterly worthless with your “updates”..

Id do anything to play the original buggy as’ gw2 again. In all of its difficult and diverse glory.

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

You still felt like nerfing Condi Mesmer based on a streamer attacking a golem though…

Josh you guys really did a number on this game…

It’s literally who can 1shot the other opponents the fastest…

I don’t know how it’s competitive play but hopefully the next balance patch you guys put out isn’t 6 months away….

Right now it’s comes down to which team focus’s a target a little bit harder…. It’s kind of ridiculous.. there really is no skill in that.

But I guess I had fun the last 3 months, and thank you for that.

I think things are very interesting now. but there are a few builds that I can see getting out of hand. this spec revamp has been a great move, and it will only get better in the coming months, if devs nip the OP builds in the bud quickly. for example, might stacking on cele builds is still pretty much insane. but I think there are worse things coming.

overall, im liking the changes as a ranger.

After a while of testing on thief, I have to agree: Build Diversity is worse.

Optimal Thief Builds for Conquest:

• D/P DA/SA/Trickery
• …

Thats all.. D/P is the only viable weaponset, which has a very little choice of traits, which is the same as before. S/D Acro is beyond… bad.

jbondo.9817:

Josh you guys really did a number on this game…

It’s literally who can 1shot the other opponents the fastest…

I don’t know how it’s competitive play but hopefully the next balance patch you guys put out isn’t 6 months away….

Right now it’s comes down to which team focus’s a target a little bit harder…. It’s kind of ridiculous.. there really is no skill in that.

But I guess I had fun the last 3 months, and thank you for that.

So far it didn’t go 6 months, but 6 hours. Mesmer has had 2 nerfs/changes already.

vincecontix.1264:

Please allow us to at lest substitute the lower tier traits for highers one. A lot of the option for the grandmaster traits are just horrible. In so many cases I would rather take a master trait.

i disagree, the only class i struggled with to make a good build was condi ranger but its not a bad build either. So sir i say once again i disagree

Raven.3957:

Post patch build diversity IS worse because anet decided to KILL builds by removing traits that made them possible, and ensured that all the meta builds were untouched, ballanced, or buffed.

I thought we were all supposed to be able to play whatever we want? Why are you following in wow’s footsteps and simplifying the game over and over again. Why dont you just make it so simple a player only has to choose one trait line, one weapon, and one slot skill. “Are you gonna be a ranger that presses 1, 2, or 3?” “Are you gonna be an elementalist that uses fire? Air? Or water?”

Stop over simplifying crap.. seriously anet.. your killing this game. After this last patch im seriously about to quit before I ever get to HoT! Im tired of you making entire builds and characters of mine utterly worthless with your “updates”..

Id do anything to play the original buggy as’ gw2 again. In all of its difficult and diverse glory.

what builds of your did they kill? I was running a elixer engy before today and it got better. I was running a 0-4-6-0-4 necro before with staff and i did the same basic build and it got better. I was running a zerker warrior before and what to my surprise i was actually glassy for the first time in this game.

I literally went threw every class and changed a few things to either make them more glassy or bunkery. The only class that stayed cele for me was necro and to me every class felt like they should have. People had real problems killing my guardian, i could kill people very easily with my warrior/thief/ranger if they tried to ignore me. I stayed cele with my condi mesmer and i was still ok in team fights and i felt my necro actaully got better.

What were you using that got worse? Were you using a old meta build and now you actually had to use some skill and time other players attacks? Avoid getting hit by clones? im questioning if you actually tried to adjust or just came here to complain?

kdaddy.5431:

Raven.3957:

Post patch build diversity IS worse because anet decided to KILL builds by removing traits that made them possible, and ensured that all the meta builds were untouched, ballanced, or buffed.

I thought we were all supposed to be able to play whatever we want? Why are you following in wow’s footsteps and simplifying the game over and over again. Why dont you just make it so simple a player only has to choose one trait line, one weapon, and one slot skill. “Are you gonna be a ranger that presses 1, 2, or 3?” “Are you gonna be an elementalist that uses fire? Air? Or water?”

Stop over simplifying crap.. seriously anet.. your killing this game. After this last patch im seriously about to quit before I ever get to HoT! Im tired of you making entire builds and characters of mine utterly worthless with your “updates”..

Id do anything to play the original buggy as’ gw2 again. In all of its difficult and diverse glory.

what builds of your did they kill? I was running a elixer engy before today and it got better. I was running a 0-4-6-0-4 necro before with staff and i did the same basic build and it got better. I was running a zerker warrior before and what to my surprise i was actually glassy for the first time in this game.

I literally went threw every class and changed a few things to either make them more glassy or bunkery. The only class that stayed cele for me was necro and to me every class felt like they should have. People had real problems killing my guardian, i could kill people very easily with my warrior/thief/ranger if they tried to ignore me. I stayed cele with my condi mesmer and i was still ok in team fights and i felt my necro actaully got better.

What were you using that got worse? Were you using a old meta build and now you actually had to use some skill and time other players attacks? Avoid getting hit by clones? im questioning if you actually tried to adjust or just came here to complain?

No, I dont like to use meta builds. I like to use builds that are effective without being meta. My ele build for one, was utterly removed from the game. Signet/aura ele was utterly destroyed because they REMOVED fire’s embrace from the game.

Im not gonna sit here and go through ever last class’s builds, I already said it before. If its a meta, they left it in there somewhere. If it wasnt, then they didnt care if what they moved/change destroyed it. Forcing you to only stay in three trees, forcing you to only have one of each tier, removing traits utterly from the game.. all of those things trickled down the choises of builds. They are turning into WoW when they decided that the skill trees were too much and started just having you pick one thing or another as you hit a certian level.

I’m honestly sick and tired of them preaching about build diversity, then constantly having my builds removed from the game. From way back in the day with my saveyourselves/shoutboon guardian, till today with my signet/aura condi-ele.. There forcing us to pick metas, and I dont want to play what everyone else plays. Thats not what the game was supposed to be about.

PvP is FUBAR. I have seen Mesmers, Thiefs and Necros more or less one-shot me over and over again. Sure I can make a one-shot build myself but no I won’t becouse I wan’t to have a fair fight. This is just stupid. Won’t play PvP until there is a fix to the high sick power output.

Sorry guyz but this new patch is tragic.
Don’t waste your time to try to balance it. It’s just crap from the basics.
(everyone is 6-6-6, stacking condis, insane dmg outputs) It’s just crap.
Healing skills became a joke, toughness became a joke, and even finishers are useless now cause auto attack is much more faster…
So throw the whole thing out plz.
That’s it.

This Balance patch was really annoying. Condis everywhere (Guardian with that kitten burning o my gosh) or u got punched by Mesmers. I dont like this battlefield attitude pvp with massiv amounts of stupid passiv gameplay and 1 shots…..

Build diversity? Gone! play One Shot Zerker or Condi.

You can still build sustain…:crusader, celestial, cleric, settlers ect etc, people need more map awareness, less zerging mentality. Thieves and mesmers..I find them deadly, but also less “unkillable” than before so it balances out for me.

I build for dmg..and I have dmg, I build for sustain…I have the sustain so really the balance is there, definitely is there

Supreme.3164:

You can still build sustain…:crusader, celestial, cleric, settlers ect etc, people need more map awareness, less zerging mentality. Thieves and mesmers..I find them deadly, but also less “unkillable” than before so it balances out for me.

I build for dmg..and I have dmg, I build for sustain…I have the sustain so really the balance is there, definitely is there

Well I the matches I have played Zerging seems perfect. They zerg one shot move on zerg one shot move on zerg one shot move on. If they play solo they die. There is no strategy at all. Like I can’t defend anymore. there is no use to hold a cap. I get massive conditions and one shotted. The best strategy is to do exactly like everyone else. Zerg one shot zerg one shot zerg and so on.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Supreme.3164:

You can still build sustain…:crusader, celestial, cleric, settlers ect etc, people need more map awareness, less zerging mentality. Thieves and mesmers..I find them deadly, but also less “unkillable” than before so it balances out for me.

I build for dmg..and I have dmg, I build for sustain…I have the sustain so really the balance is there, definitely is there

Well I the matches I have played Zerging seems perfect. They zerg one shot move on zerg one shot move on zerg one shot move on. If they play solo they die. There is no strategy at all. Like I can’t defend anymore. there is no use to hold a cap. I get massive conditions and one shotted. The best strategy is to do exactly like everyone else. Zerg one shot zerg one shot zerg and so on.

If they move like a zerg …outmaneuver them, you can easily see if the fight can be won as a team, organize yourself and split them up, offering a target to a well organized burst, it’s the last thing you want to do.

They go A, you go B and C, they move B, you move back A and stay C. Organize yourself, don’t have all burst specs in one spot and tanky in another.

If they rely on a zerg to win..all you have to do is using anti-zerg tactics, play smart and you win easy vs zergers

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Supreme.3164:

You can still build sustain…:crusader, celestial, cleric, settlers ect etc, people need more map awareness, less zerging mentality. Thieves and mesmers..I find them deadly, but also less “unkillable” than before so it balances out for me.

I build for dmg..and I have dmg, I build for sustain…I have the sustain so really the balance is there, definitely is there

Well I the matches I have played Zerging seems perfect. They zerg one shot move on zerg one shot move on zerg one shot move on. If they play solo they die. There is no strategy at all. Like I can’t defend anymore. there is no use to hold a cap. I get massive conditions and one shotted. The best strategy is to do exactly like everyone else. Zerg one shot zerg one shot zerg and so on.

Forget vitality, healing power and toughness.
Only block and other invincible skills and stealth.
and forget revieve too

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

Maim the Disillusioned.

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

But not too early to nerf mesmers?

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

+1

Let’s give it a few weeks……

Erm I’ve been killing plenty as a bunker, take advantage of people’s squishyness. Well timed and prioritised condi removal as an AH guard has done me well. Taken out condi guards, medi guards, mesmers etc

This is just what it is like with every meta shake up. No one knows what they are doing so the meta briefly shifts to zerk everything. Take advantage of that.

On EU, the bunker builds have already been coming out already, so for all the people who are saying there is too much damage, just wait…

I am so tanky right now on my Necro on NA, its the most refreshing change ever. Go ahead and bring your glass burn stuff my way

Mightybird.6034:

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

+1

Let’s give it a few weeks……

However, because chronomancers somehow warped space around their core profession so that time moves differently, mesmers have been nerfed within the first day of the patch.

Niminion.1982:

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

But not too early to nerf mesmers?

Not surprised he hasn’t bothered posting in the thread again, how incredibly embarrassing for him.

Levetty.1279:

Niminion.1982:

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

But not too early to nerf mesmers?

Not surprised he hasn’t bothered posting in the thread again, how incredibly embarrassing for him.

Some things were just THAT obviously broken. Every single mesmer player I know is suddenly a God at the game.

Gee it must be that they all suddenly learned to play better in a meeting over night before patch day…

or…

As someone who used all 5 trait lines for traits and used gear to balance the stats I have to agree…

Build crafting was fun as there we’re limitless possibilities, 21614, 21641, 01661, but now im forced to use 666, required to use traits that don’t synergize well with eachother or my playstyle…

I do see what Anet are trying to Accomplish about more dominant roles for each class and more of a specialization feeling when selecting builds though.

PistolWhip.2697:

Levetty.1279:

Niminion.1982:

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

But not too early to nerf mesmers?

Not surprised he hasn’t bothered posting in the thread again, how incredibly embarrassing for him.

Some things were just THAT obviously broken. Every single mesmer player I know is suddenly a God at the game.

Gee it must be that they all suddenly learned to play better in a meeting over night before patch day…

or…

So not only was condie mesmer more ‘obviously broken’ then the much stronger ele and engie condi builds but the right thing to do was rush out a massive knee jerk nerf, straight after saying they wouldn’t preform knee jerk nerfs, that means the only option for condie mesmer is to sit in stealth while clones attack?

Then again with that name I’m guessing you are just a theif who is upset Mesmer isn’t easy pickings anymore. L2p dude.

Levetty.1279:

PistolWhip.2697:

Levetty.1279:

Niminion.1982:

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

But not too early to nerf mesmers?

Not surprised he hasn’t bothered posting in the thread again, how incredibly embarrassing for him.

Some things were just THAT obviously broken. Every single mesmer player I know is suddenly a God at the game.

Gee it must be that they all suddenly learned to play better in a meeting over night before patch day…

or…

So not only was condie mesmer more ‘obviously broken’ then the much stronger ele and engie condi builds but the right thing to do was rush out a massive knee jerk nerf, straight after saying they wouldn’t preform knee jerk nerfs, that means the only option for condie mesmer is to sit in stealth while clones attack?

Then again with that name I’m guessing you are just a theif who is upset Mesmer isn’t easy pickings anymore. L2p dude.

You guess wrong. My name comes from my affinity and signature move of pistol whipping people in shooter games, 1st or 3rd person, most notably gears of war back when it was the thing.

I have played thief quite a bit and this has nothing to do with me personally, this is feedback from my mesmer maining friends.

Feedback, get it?

It is evident you’re new here, get to know who you’re talking to, or at least if you’re going to sniper me, search my post history from 3 years ago till now and make an informed snipe.

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

Unfortunately not so for thief..
D/P 60206 was easily the most played thief spec before the patch but there was still the occasional S/D 20066 thief. However with the ridiculous acro nerf now we won’t even see those anymore. Not really what i’d call “Build Diversity”

The reason why S/D had a place in the meta before was because it paired well with condi classes due to how slippery it was. Hence Noscoc’s condi necro and Magic Toker’s s/d acro.

As it stands we won’t see anything but D/P with 66006 or 60606 in the competitive scene.

MAYBE we would see some S/D on 60606 if blind on stealth is moved out of grandmaster’s so that it doesn’t compete with shadow rejuvenation anymore.

Otherwise,
I hope the balance team does a good job on our new specialization or thief will continue to be the most stale class in the game.

Anonymouse.4760:

Josh Davis.6015:

The release has been out for 4 hours. It’s a little early to tell.

Unfortunately not so for thief..
D/P 60206 was easily the most played thief spec before the patch but there was still the occasional S/D 20066 thief. However with the ridiculous acro nerf now we won’t even see those anymore. Not really what i’d call “Build Diversity”

The reason why S/D had a place in the meta before was because it paired well with condi classes due to how slippery it was. Hence Noscoc’s condi necro and Magic Toker’s s/d acro.

As it stands we won’t see anything but D/P with 66006 or 60606 in the competitive scene.

MAYBE we would see some S/D on 60606 if blind on stealth is moved out of grandmaster’s so that it doesn’t compete with shadow rejuvenation anymore.

Otherwise,
I hope the balance team does a good job on our new specialization or thief will continue to be the most stale class in the game.

Yup, exactly my pov on Thief.. Im really sad.

Im not saying the build is bad but being pigeonhold into 60606 just supports passive play more, sitting in stealth all the time. I find this sad as Thief, tbh..

they need to bring back s/d, and make pistols viable for once

mistsim.2748:

they need to bring back s/d, and make pistols viable for once

S/d is viable. You need to adapt in terms of traits though.

For engineer, i saw that now we have 5 really good lines. I am not saying that they are equals, but i find all 5 viable. Ele too is really strong and i think it has at least 4 lines really good ( i don’t love fire line but perhaps is a personal feeling )

PierPiero.9142:

For engineer, i saw that now we have 5 really good lines. I am not saying that they are equals, but i find all 5 viable. Ele too is really strong and i think it has at least 4 lines really good ( i don’t love fire line but perhaps is a personal feeling )

I would’t call the fire line weak though

Phaeton.9582:

mistsim.2748:

they need to bring back s/d, and make pistols viable for once

S/d is viable. You need to adapt in terms of traits though.

All builds are viable but far from optimal in competitive pvp.
S/D is beyond bad in competitive pvp.

Thief is being pigeonhold into D/P 60606. Every Thief player knows this.
If S/D was really "optimal’, we would’ve seen them at ESL yesterday but no, only d/p, I wonder why..