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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

The new patch hit necro hard,the removal of downstate along with simultaneous nerfs to their pillar rezbots (Gyro daze removal and anet sledge hammering Druid)made the future for necro look dim.But never fear! I’m here to bring you next evolution of Necro

By the way take the 2nd trait in reaper for both master/grandmaster
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBmWD7kZTomGs5GwzGgeTsgLYQXtAwBIarlv+AxZRA-TpRHABhs/w3lBI4IAMwBBAgLAQAPAAA

This build had amazing life force regen it had more aoe pressure and it almost had the same level of corrupts while being tankier and easier to Rez due to corrosive poison cloud which spams weakness and destroys projectiles making it very hard to cleave you.(this craps out weakness)And did I mention it still has amazing corrupt due to aoe corrupt on ds#2 and other procs
You’re welcome the next meta is here bois.

Any tips,tweaks,or craft is welcome ps:credit to zan for corrosive poison cloud
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Posted by: Darth Laa.5782

Darth Laa.5782

Wow amazing theory craft!

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Posted by: Cyn.4901

Cyn.4901

Are you sure you’re linking the right build? You don’t have curses, so theres no ds#2 corrupt. Also, what amulet would you suggest?

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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

Oopsies wrong link

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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

New link is up!

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Posted by: Cyn.4901

Cyn.4901

Not trying to chew you out, but now I’m confused as to how you’re getting amazing life force regen without soul reaping. and you didnt trait last 2 of reaper

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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

Spamming heal shout and the 2nd trait in reaper <3
This is for teamfights obv

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

The Soul Reaping traitline is overrated for LF generation, there’s other ways to obtain it with reaper traits (Chilling Victory and Blighters Boon) but you don’t use Blighter, then you have few access to chill, expecially out of shroud. (mark 2 and elite are good to inflict long chill, but they’re not enough against a enemy that have condi clear skills).
Anyway, that’s basicly a corruption skill build with few little changes.

To spam the heal you need the Augury of death trait, that you don’t use. And how is easier to ress with that build? CCPC can’t protect you from melee hits, aoe and cc, that are basicly the things that kill you in team fights.
It protect you from projectiles and is really good why spam weakness, but is not enough to kill different classes, just a little useful against LB rangers (that can swap to staff and kill you anyway).

That’s for shure a good build, but not the evolution of the necro meta.
I use a direct damage personal build and do better damage than with any condition build I tried, and also survive better. (I don’t use the GS, it’s the worst weapon ever, but the axe when traited grant me to hit for 8-10k with skill 2)

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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

Cant run power necro because the other team will go powerful auramancer and gg:)
Also power necro is nothing but a gimmick in competitively play.

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

It’s not the best, but I still kill some revenant, thief, ranger, warrior, plus i’m shure tokill all the necros i find on my way.
Also the auramancers get killed by my direct damage, easier than if I use conditions. (we used to kill eles with our direct damage years before HoT and we can still do that now).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRBHbhG2JHNQ3mY5mg1mA9mYpWwg6aBgZA1YYOUti3ijxzIA-TJRGABLcSAA4JAA0+D8XGAA
(if you want you can use the Paladin Amulet instead of Demolisher)

Try my build. I did it for fun but I am able to kill people with that, when I was unable to do with a “meta” condi build. I fight expecially with the axe, swapping to dagger/horn when i need a CC, more LF and an immobilize to make the team kill easier an enemy.
Shouts make me able to survive against conditions and grant me defence (rise) and make me able to go through blocks, granting me a chance to kill guardians and revenants.

For LF generation I use the axe 2 plus Chilling Victory and Blighters Boon, that summed with Strength sigil and Spite minor traits make me able to build a lot of LF, making me not forced to use the staff (still if it’s a eventually good choice instead of the dagger/x)

That’s not for shure a top class build or the build of the year, but work fine, even in ranked.

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Posted by: MDTarik.5602

MDTarik.5602

It’s not the best, but I still kill some revenant, thief, ranger, warrior, plus i’m shure tokill all the necros i find on my way.
Also the auramancers get killed by my direct damage, easier than if I use conditions. (we used to kill eles with our direct damage years before HoT and we can still do that now).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRBHbhG2JHNQ3mY5mg1mA9mYpWwg6aBgZA1YYOUti3ijxzIA-TJRGABLcSAA4JAA0+D8XGAA
(if you want you can use the Paladin Amulet instead of Demolisher)

Try my build. I did it for fun but I am able to kill people with that, when I was unable to do with a “meta” condi build. I fight expecially with the axe, swapping to dagger/horn when i need a CC, more LF and an immobilize to make the team kill easier an enemy.
Shouts make me able to survive against conditions and grant me defence (rise) and make me able to go through blocks, granting me a chance to kill guardians and revenants.

For LF generation I use the axe 2 plus Chilling Victory and Blighters Boon, that summed with Strength sigil and Spite minor traits make me able to build a lot of LF, making me not forced to use the staff (still if it’s a eventually good choice instead of the dagger/x)

That’s not for shure a top class build or the build of the year, but work fine, even in ranked.

no stunbreak though

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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

Just tested in scrims today.
Rabid is a viable alternative to wanderers also grenth is nice too.
This is very viable and a better alternative to standard signet necro

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Posted by: xKratos.4758

xKratos.4758

My team called me Boosted ape for wanting to run the well and corrosive poison in scrims at the same time with pretty much the same build. Smfhhhhhh guess they’re the real boosted apes KappaPride

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Posted by: Rigante.2470

Rigante.2470

So because of changes to downed state a build that is inferior to last seasons meta builds for Necros is now better. Gotcha.

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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

It’s better because of the Druid nerfs and overall comp change to the meta.
Dh’s and thief making a presence makes the weakness spam of this build extremely potent.
Also corrosive poison cloud against headshot and Dh lb is extremely effective as well as stopping enemy down cleave(esp against invo rev).

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Posted by: Razor.9872

Razor.9872

I agree that Corrosive Poison Cloud can be very useful. I use it myself when I run

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNAW7Ync0Ad2gN3Am3A0biFjBjqJEFqVx5wg4RM6nFA2WA-TJxBQBA4iAYw9HqXZA98EAAA

When facing a condi-heavy comp, I’ll swap out Corrupt-Boon for “Suffer!”
And when facing a CC heavy comp, I’ll swap out Dhuumfire for Foot in the Grave.

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Posted by: Timmytimtim.5879

Timmytimtim.5879

This is actually a really great build,it’s exactly what necro needed right now!
Thanks Jeff great work!

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Posted by: Patrick.2987

Patrick.2987

Try carrion, will be way better.

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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

Well you don’t stack might so the power damage is hardly noticeable plus the extra precision helps out for the lack of power damage by critting.
Your also a lot tankier which is nice when your the focus target in every fight.

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Posted by: Rolisteel.1375

Rolisteel.1375

That +560 toughness can’t save you if you are focus target while also condi’s eats you with wander. Also i feel this build kinda weak without OP teammates that hard pressure enemy team and babysitting you. Dunno how this build in tpvp. but in solo q this build don’t survive for long. You call it tanky every necro build can be tanky if your team heals you, care about you and support you. Id say its not tanky and one of the easiest to zerg down you just have to get real pvp players in enemy team.

If i were enemy team i would cc, pulls, knockback + stunlock + interrupt so you can’t control your necro while zerg that build down in about 6sec. You have some on hit condi transfer if they are avoided by players condis eats you in seconds.

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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

This is obviously a team oriented build and needs to be babysat like any other competitive necro build
Ranked q is a completely different game than competitive organized matches

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Posted by: Rarnark.5623

Rarnark.5623

This is incredibly innovative and potentially meta influencing. Thank you for your humble contribution to the competitive sPvP scene, it’s people like you keeping this game alive.

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Posted by: Drakril.4058

Drakril.4058

@skittledness – there are competitive necro builds that do not rely on your team for survival. Your build will be insta downed when focused with only 1 stun breaker (that also acts as your main condi cleanse). If you build a team around this you might see some good play but in solo/duo que running this would be useless. DS#2 with reaper allows necro to re position fights or back out quickly if things get too hot. With your build your forced into using it offensively which will not work in such a heavy dmg meta that we currently have.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBHhF6kjGocTsbTwvGgeTsULYxbxx4ZEqrFAaAUjh5QZA-TpBFABLcCAY4QAU0+DqfEAwqMAAPAAA
tanky power build with lots of boon removal. very good dueling build.
Pros – can take a hit, decent dps uptime with lots of stability
cons – GS needs more work, protection uptime builds are tough to down.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBmWD7kjGo5Gs8GwvGgeTsYMYR/sAwAgqJEFqVx5wg4RE-TpRHABEcBA+uMAAPAgBOIAhfEAgf/BA
condi build – one of the best for soloQ ive been using. best used as a 1 or 2v2.
Pros – lots of aoe dmg + weakness. Large scale dmg potential with poison fields (18
stacks)
cons – lack of stunbreaks, direct dmg is very low leaving heavy condi resistant classes to an advantage.

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

If you use the Signet Meta Build you’re only gonna be kicked hard, nothing more.
There’s seriously someone that still use it in common sPvP? O.o
The corruptionmancer is way better for casual pvp and the “Skittledness Build” is a viable variation of it.
I played with a really similar build for months… There’s seriously nothing new in what he’s proposing…

But if someone never tried that build, for shure it’s better than the signet build, simply why the signet is a high level team based build, that will never work in a casual pvp match.
That’s a good build, for shure, but isn’t the revelation of the year, only an old build that a lot of necros already use from months.

Also, Signet of Suffering Trait is better than Spiteful Spirit why affect Plague Signet in both active and passive version, making them more useful and corrupt boons.

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Posted by: Timmytimtim.5879

Timmytimtim.5879

Yeah it’s not like it randomly came up from the ground it’s just the next meta for nec rn as opposed to the old squishy Rez Rez signet stuff

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Posted by: StickerHappy.8052

StickerHappy.8052

If you use the Signet Meta Build you’re only gonna be kicked hard, nothing more.
There’s seriously someone that still use it in common sPvP? O.o
The corruptionmancer is way better for casual pvp and the “Skittledness Build” is a viable variation of it.
I played with a really similar build for months… There’s seriously nothing new in what he’s proposing…

But if someone never tried that build, for shure it’s better than the signet build, simply why the signet is a high level team based build, that will never work in a casual pvp match.
That’s a good build, for shure, but isn’t the revelation of the year, only an old build that a lot of necros already use from months.

Also, Signet of Suffering Trait is better than Spiteful Spirit why affect Plague Signet in both active and passive version, making them more useful and corrupt boons.

I am confused on the part you say high level team based build.. You do know who Jeff is right?

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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

Am kitten can confirm just ask NL

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

The signet build is an old build of the previous meta (the bunker meta).
Now that build can’t compete against any other class, unless for the high amount of boon corruption skills, that’s why the main build don’t even use the Soul Reaping traitline, why you’ll die anyway and your work is only corrupt boons on the focused enemy and be ressed by an engi, all the time. That require an organized team to protect you.
If you play it as a casual, every enemy that see you know that you’re the easier thing to kill in the world and come to kill you easy and fast.

The corruptionmancer (expecially with CCPC) is a more balanced build for casual sPvP and work better with pug teams.

Then, if you’re so Pro that you can play the signet chillomancer as a casual and kill people, you have all my admiration. But it’s basicly an organizate premade build and you’ll find really hard to use it in pvp if you play alone.

I don’t see a full signet necro from weeks and don’t belived that someone still used that. I see only corruptionmancer with more or less the build posted by the OP-

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Posted by: Velimere.7685

Velimere.7685

You do know who Jeff is right?

He will learn soon enough.

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Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.

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Posted by: Crinn.7864

Crinn.7864

So this is my understanding of this thread:

-OP claims to have created the new meta for necros with a team support dependent build in a game about to go solo/duo only.
-hero worshipping ensues.
-“Amazing life force regen” is redefined as taking less than half of possible life force sources.
- A wild power necro appears, and starts advertising axe necro builds.
-more hero worshipping ensues.
-CPC is bashed
-CPC is praised
-originality of OP’s build is questioned
-another round of hero worshipping ensues.

Sanity is for the weak minded.
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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

It’s not like this build is completely orginal,of course people have tested similar kitten before.Its the specific utilities and relevance due to the new meta.

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Posted by: xKratos.4758

xKratos.4758

So this is my understanding of this thread:

-OP claims to have created the new meta for necros with a team support dependent build in a game about to go solo/duo only.
-hero worshipping ensues.
-“Amazing life force regen” is redefined as taking less than half of possible life force sources.
- A wild power necro appears, and starts advertising axe necro builds.
-more hero worshipping ensues.
-CPC is bashed
-CPC is praised
-originality of OP’s build is questioned
-another round of hero worshipping ensues.

OP also a LAN Player who had proven his mechanical skills as well as game knowledge and is known at high tier PvP. Unlike you, who is a complete pleb, random forum warrior who will never know anything about high tier plays and strats cause you’re a scrub and refuse to graciously bow down and thanks the said high tier player for enlightened your scrubby kitten of a boosted Ape true high level meta builds instead of hiding it like most high tier teams do cause “espurts”. So yea, just realize how bless you are to be bask in Jeffies presence and get me, the eternal meme overlord to even explain basic things like this to a pleb like you. MingLee

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Posted by: Krysard.1364

Krysard.1364

So this is my understanding of this thread:

-OP claims to have created the new meta for necros with a team support dependent build in a game about to go solo/duo only.
-hero worshipping ensues.
-“Amazing life force regen” is redefined as taking less than half of possible life force sources.
- A wild power necro appears, and starts advertising axe necro builds.
-more hero worshipping ensues.
-CPC is bashed
-CPC is praised
-originality of OP’s build is questioned
-another round of hero worshipping ensues.

OP also a LAN Player who had proven his mechanical skills as well as game knowledge and is known at high tier PvP. Unlike you, who is a complete pleb, random forum warrior who will never know anything about high tier plays and strats cause you’re a scrub and refuse to graciously bow down and thanks the said high tier player for enlightened your scrubby kitten of a boosted Ape true high level meta builds instead of hiding it like most high tier teams do cause “espurts”. So yea, just realize how bless you are to be bask in Jeffies presence and get me, the eternal meme overlord to even explain basic things like this to a pleb like you. MingLee

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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

Keep thread productive bois
I don’t want this to get removed:/
Go to the drama boards for this kitten.

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

Jeff can be who he want, I’m not interested on how he’s good or bad.
I simply told that that’s an already known build and we all know that it work (unless you’re really a low level necro) and that there’s different builds that work in this meta more or less at the same level, highly depending on team composition (yours and enemy team) and situation. CCPC is really strong and I use it on the corruption build a lot (it’s one of my favorite skill) but it work only sometimes and basicly against few builds, while a lot of dps classes just swap in the melle/channeling weapon, ignore your weakness using resistance or simply burst you down still with weakness on, just a little slower (3 seconds more?).

That can easly be a meta build for the future, but in the future the necromancer will need a even stronger build to survive because there will not be any premade team to work with why ANet will make everyone play in solo/duo in ranked, making the necromancer even harder to play. And no, that build don’t work good enough in pug teams to grant you any more victory than with other builds, not even my personal build, that everyone joke about, but is able to kill someone, when that new meta build can’t; unless you’re the necromancer god player like Jeff (!?!?!?).

I’m waiting for the next season, where the necromancer at high level will be matched with casual pugs in totally unorganized teams and will die a lot without any help, just like in unranked matches XD

Then, at last, we’ll be finally able to ask a little of love to ANet and obtain a better way to play that class with finally a good viable build.

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Posted by: Patrick.2987

Patrick.2987

Try carrion, will be way better.

Skittledness.5106

Well you don’t stack might so the power damage is hardly noticeable plus the extra precision helps out for the lack of power damage by critting.
Your also a lot tankier which is nice when your the focus target in every fight.

I think u were wrong.

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Posted by: Doctor.1905

Doctor.1905

Anyone who thinks Jeffiez is wrong has to know that Jeff jeff je is an ESL player who thinks in 5 dimensions like all the other top players. All ESL players have something in common and it’s that they have five semi circular canals in their ears allowing them to actually feel any distorted change in 5D space. Jef is a beautiful man forged in the image of God almighty.

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Posted by: Velimere.7685

Velimere.7685

Anyone who thinks Jeffiez is wrong has to know that Jeff jeff je is an ESL player who thinks in 5 dimensions like all the other top players. All ESL players have something in common and it’s that they have five semi circular canals in their ears allowing them to actually feel any distorted change in 5D space. Jef is a beautiful man forged in the image of God almighty.

If you’re not kissing the ground he walks on, you’re doing it wrong.

Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.

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Posted by: Yannir.4132

Yannir.4132

It’s not the best, but I still kill some revenant, thief, ranger, warrior, plus i’m shure tokill all the necros i find on my way.
Also the auramancers get killed by my direct damage, easier than if I use conditions. (we used to kill eles with our direct damage years before HoT and we can still do that now).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRBHbhG2JHNQ3mY5mg1mA9mYpWwg6aBgZA1YYOUti3ijxzIA-TJRGABLcSAA4JAA0+D8XGAA
(if you want you can use the Paladin Amulet instead of Demolisher)

Try my build. I did it for fun but I am able to kill people with that, when I was unable to do with a “meta” condi build. I fight expecially with the axe, swapping to dagger/horn when i need a CC, more LF and an immobilize to make the team kill easier an enemy.
Shouts make me able to survive against conditions and grant me defence (rise) and make me able to go through blocks, granting me a chance to kill guardians and revenants.

For LF generation I use the axe 2 plus Chilling Victory and Blighters Boon, that summed with Strength sigil and Spite minor traits make me able to build a lot of LF, making me not forced to use the staff (still if it’s a eventually good choice instead of the dagger/x)

That’s not for shure a top class build or the build of the year, but work fine, even in ranked.

I’ve been running basically this build for about a year now. You need to swap 2 things. Swap “Suffer!” for Plague Signet, and Death Perception for Foot in the Grave. And 2 on crit sigils on the same weapon set doesn’t work, go for Force on the Axe, and Energy on the dagger.

I use Paladin Ammy + Strength runes but I think that’s more a matter of taste, not a dealbreaker.

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Sonya for females. (necro,rev,ranger,mes,engi)
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Posted by: Skittledness.5106

Skittledness.5106

Public reminder!
Carrion is a very valid choice and very good if you build around teamfights like most meta comps.
I underestimated the boon share in teamfights!

But depending on the comp you face switching between rabid/carrion like equipping rabid when facing a triple power threat or carrion when double or more condi is ideal.
There is no 100% meta build the build has slight variations of course depending on what kind of composition you go against.

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Posted by: Mikhael.2391

Mikhael.2391

Any known high lvl necro video u guys know of in spvp?