Guild Wars 2

1 question to Anet: Are you serious or simply have no idea of what you are doing?!

Are the game developers simply cut-off from the rest MMo world out there? If this game had something in it’s pvp, it was that you could not run as solo, and get massacred by a premade team, that’s organised, using TS etc… You either go solo and fight alongside random players, or you get a full team and fight against a full team.

I mean seriously, did you guys just change random stuff?! I’m sorry but changing this system, while the game is already 2 years old, is the greatest mistake I’ve ever seen in an MMO… No offence but seriously what the…

This game is all about teamwork,find 4 more,train and try to defend,win against premade teams and actually get better in the game,u will feel much better u will see how much improved instead of making same mistakes in solo ques and getting carried by other people or in other opposite

P.S Leaderboard doesnt work in next 2 weeks so u can lose all day long

I don’t know what you’re talking about. I usually queue with 3 or 4 guild mates. We’re all noobs, but still we were always around 95% in the leaderboards, just because most of our foes were queuing solo or in pairs. Tonight though, all of our matches were against full or almost full premades, and we got wrecked, like we deserved! Did you queue solo tonight? What is your experience with that? For me it seems to work as intended, on the full team end.

Paragon.5479:

This game is all about teamwork,find 4 more,train and try to defend,win against premade teams and actually get better in the game,u will feel much better u will see how much improved instead of making same mistakes in solo ques and getting carried by other people or in other opposite

P.S Leaderboard doesnt work in next 2 weeks so u can lose all day long

You are talking to me like I’m some sort of scrub that does not know how to play.

No I don’t wanna be forced to find 4 more people, and even if I did, they would not be online 24/7. When I wanna do a couple of matches to have some fun, I’m expecting to at least have a chance. Having guilds make teams while being on TS, and having the best class match-up possible, while you are in a pug with 4 other random dudes = not fun. It should not be fun for the organised group as well, since it has no point or competition.

If you are defending this system, you either never played an MMO with this issue before, or you did and you were one of those scrubs that wanted easymode against soloer’s, but also never quequed up with a full team, because if things would get serious vs a real pvp guild, they’d get wrecked.

Been there, done that. More than once. I know what it will create, and I know how the game’s pvp will end up in only a couple of months if this goes on. The devs should know too…

I played solo queue tonight and most of the matches were really one sided. It was easy to recognize the premade teams and that was almost all of them. I agree that solo queue should stay solo queue and team queue as team.

Androlan.9487:

I played solo queue tonight and most of the matches were really one sided. It was easy to recognize the premade teams and that was almost all of them. I agree that solo queue should stay solo queue and team queue as team.

Maybe you should invite whoever was good on your team to a party and keep inviting other good players and actually play with others for once.

yea solo Q is dead son. Its time to make friends.

This is WAAAAAY swingier now than soloq ever was.

No, i’m kinda confused on what you are complaining about, are you just assuming they are 5 man teams? Or have you bothered asking them if they are in fact a 5 man team, because from my experience of queuing by myself or with one other friend consisted of Solo queuers, Duo’s and the occasional trio queuers. I found this out because I asked every time. Yea, queuing by yourself might at times put you at a slight disadvantage, but then again it opens you up to the possibility of getting on the same team of maybe a 3man or 2man team. I hope that you aren’t losing and just blaming it on the slight chance that they are premade.

glock.6590:

yea solo Q is dead son. Its time to make friends.

Yes, I hope the team players enjoy their new longer queues once the solo/duo players stop doing pvp.

Paragon.5479:

This game is all about teamwork,find 4 more,train and try to defend,win against premade teams and actually get better in the game,u will feel much better u will see how much improved instead of making same mistakes in solo ques and getting carried by other people or in other opposite

P.S Leaderboard doesnt work in next 2 weeks so u can lose all day long

Lol… just no. Solo-q is for a solo player to hit pvp without having to wait (keyword) for his friends who might not be on his time schedule.

Why must I, with a hectic schedule, find a team now? I went 2 years without finding a team just fine. I’m not against premade at all, I just don’t have time to do premade, nor do many other players.

Bitty.1409:

No, i’m kinda confused on what you are complaining about, are you just assuming they are 5 man teams? Or have you bothered asking them if they are in fact a 5 man team, because from my experience of queuing by myself or with one other friend consisted of Solo queuers, Duo’s and the occasional trio queuers. I found this out because I asked every time. Yea, queuing by yourself might at times put you at a slight disadvantage, but then again it opens you up to the possibility of getting on the same team of maybe a 3man or 2man team. I hope that you aren’t losing and just blaming it on the slight chance that they are premade.

First of all, yes I can tell if a group is premade, because of same guild name, and match score… Last one I was in ended 500-245…

Also randomly put up with a premade is the same thing. I don’t want easymode. I don’t care about who wins at the end. I just wanna have fun and equal chances with everyone else.

People are so obsessed with win/lose, they forgot the meaning of the game, sadly…

Domino.1359:

Paragon.5479:

This game is all about teamwork,find 4 more,train and try to defend,win against premade teams and actually get better in the game,u will feel much better u will see how much improved instead of making same mistakes in solo ques and getting carried by other people or in other opposite

P.S Leaderboard doesnt work in next 2 weeks so u can lose all day long

Lol… just no. Solo-q is for a solo player to hit pvp without having to wait (keyword) for his friends who might not be on his time schedule.

Why must I, with a hectic schedule, find a team now? I went 2 years without finding a team just fine. I’m not against premade at all, I just don’t have time to do premade, nor do many other players.

Exacly. I just hope the devs realise that before it’s too late. Because I’m not going to wait months for them to admit their mistake. (And trust me I’m not alone on this…)

We were on the opposite side this evening, Justin, queued every rated match in full premade and we met a lot of mixed team (EU side).

:)

Justin ODell.9517:

I’m really curious as to how you guys are figuring out if the other team is a pre-made. We don’t tell you, and looking at the data there are very few party rosters compared to solo.

Is it just match quality being bad? Are you just recognizing player names?

right click and if you can invite to party theyre solo, otherwise its at least duo

Justin ODell.9517:

I’m really curious as to how you guys are figuring out if the other team is a pre-made. We don’t tell you, and looking at the data there are very few party rosters compared to solo.

Is it just match quality being bad? Are you just recognizing player names?

Sometimes it is that, and other times you can tell it’s a premade because all five, or four of the five etc, are in the same guild. I can predict whether a pug has a chance or not just from seeing all five players, both in terms of their name (whether we know this person is a well-known PvPer) and guild tags.

Justin ODell.9517:

I’m really curious as to how you guys are figuring out if the other team is a pre-made. We don’t tell you, and looking at the data there are very few party rosters compared to solo.

Is it just match quality being bad? Are you just recognizing player names?

Perhaps people are equating 3 and 4 person groups as full premades.

4 should probably be a no-go, and I’m on the fence with 3. Maybe 3 would be okay if the system tried (very hard) to put solos in the other two slots.

Justin ODell.9517:

I’m really curious as to how you guys are figuring out if the other team is a pre-made. We don’t tell you, and looking at the data there are very few party rosters compared to solo.

Is it just match quality being bad? Are you just recognizing player names?

Again, I said this already, but i’ve been asking people(when I duo queue) and i’ve yet to get anywhere close to a 5 man team queued against me, not even a 4 man team. I feel like people are just assuming things.

I play solo for a reason, i don’t want to play against teams. I want to play against 5 other people that are all solo.

Justin ODell.9517:

I’m really curious as to how you guys are figuring out if the other team is a pre-made. We don’t tell you, and looking at the data there are very few party rosters compared to solo.

Is it just match quality being bad? Are you just recognizing player names?

So I just queued unranked arena match after coming back from work.

Queue pops in 15 seconds (good)
Courtyard, Kyhlo, and Temple. I vote Temple.
…6 votes for Courtyard (gg premade)

See attached screenshot for result

Epic team comp, thanks Obama!
Going off of the PvP titles I saw on teammates/opponents I presume at least MMR was okay.
Only one person on blue got any rank points, and that was because I brought warbanner.

What should be done? Maybe we can start with one or more of these:

• Ensure premades never face non-premades, and perhaps also eliminate a party of 4 from queueing
• Remove Courtyard from the map selection, at least when it is premade vs non-premade
• Give each party exactly one vote (so a party of 4-5 has only one vote for a map)

tl;dr—Matchmaking evidently failed, as it took about 15 seconds to match a solo queue with a premade (or near full premade)

Courtyard + premades spawncamping ensured my 4 teammates got zero rank points for playing.

Eliminate premade vs non-premade, remove Courtyard, or give each party exactly one map vote

Ain’t nothing more fun than waiting on a queue, end up in a game like that and not even get any points out of it ! =p

I personally enjoy this. It’s hard to get a premade together but as long as I’m playing against good players, I don’t care if they are premade or not.

Eurantien.4632:

I personally enjoy this. It’s hard to get a premade together but as long as I’m playing against good players, I don’t care if they are premade or not.

I hear you Eura, but let’s not get blinded by the ivory tower syndrome. What about bad players, who watches over them in the new system? The key is getting competitive matches where players feel like they have a realistic shot at winning. This needs to happen at all skill levels, from top guys like you all the way down to the clicker baddies. That’s not happening right now, and match making will never feel fair as long as premade vs. PUG is a possibility. If the sheep get farmed to death they’ll leave, and then the wolves will starve.

I don’t get the Courtyard hate. It’s unranked, who cares?

hihey.1075:

It’s unranked

No. It’s Not.

I can confirm that entering ranked solo will put you against premades.

@Justin, you can tell if a team is premade by joining the match and right clicking on enemy players, if it says “join party” then they’re premade (this was similar in the old system in that if you saw “invite to party” = pug and “nothing” = premade). Being premade may not be a full 5 man team, but the game I just played against was a full 5 man team.

Darnis.4056:

hihey.1075:

It’s unranked

No. It’s Not.

I thought it appeared only on unranked…
My Bad if it doesn’t. Then it absolutely needs a fix :/

hihey.1075:

Darnis.4056:

hihey.1075:

It’s unranked

No. It’s Not.

I thought it appeared only on unranked...
My Bad if it doesn’t. Then it absolutely needs a fix :/

honestly I like it, does get bit boring after a bit but still nice for a change.

Justin ODell.9517:

I’m really curious as to how you guys are figuring out if the other team is a pre-made. We don’t tell you, and looking at the data there are very few party rosters compared to solo.

Is it just match quality being bad? Are you just recognizing player names?

When I see the EXACT same lineup twice in a row, I know they’re a team. And I just let them win asap, because my pug group has no chance. Thanks for the crappy matchmaking.

Becka Williams.4978:

Justin ODell.9517:

I’m really curious as to how you guys are figuring out if the other team is a pre-made. We don’t tell you, and looking at the data there are very few party rosters compared to solo.

Is it just match quality being bad? Are you just recognizing player names?

When I see the EXACT same lineup twice in a row, I know they’re a team. And I just let them win asap, because my pug group has no chance. Thanks for the crappy matchmaking.

This, going against premades as solo q will just result in afking the entire match. There is no incentive to play when your just going to be farmed over and over. Same vs any amount of premade, i forsee a lot of afk players in the future due to solo q’s vs premades.

There’s no point in giving them free kills. I just want to lose as fast as possible so I can go have fun, anet.

Will wins/loses in Ranked play affect your leaderboard win/loss ratio come December 16th? Meaning…if I get 10 wins now, will they be added when leaderboards are back into play?

Justin ODell.9517:

I’m really curious as to how you guys are figuring out if the other team is a pre-made. We don’t tell you, and looking at the data there are very few party rosters compared to solo.

If you have the data available, maybe you could just post some statistic on the distribution of what kind match-ups (x% of 2-2-1 v 3-2, y% of 5 v 2-3, etc) have been made since the release of the new system? If older data is available, you could even compare that statistic to the kind of match-ups made in the old system; thereby using the data to show us whether it has improved or not.

In the absence of reliable aggregated data, people will always fall back to anecdotal evidence, which usually does not help the discussion.

~MRA

Wait out the December 16th release of the new ladder…

Wait a month or two.

Start que.

Play against the majority of solo and duo teams because all of the premade players are higher on the ladder.

Done.

I don’t want to wait a month or two, I’m being steamrolled in the vast majority of matches. The matching “system” seems hell-bent on putting me against pvp 80’s. (I’m 59 at the moment ) an excellent way to drive off players, especially any new ones who happen to show up.

Yes, watching gameplay it’s easy to spot a probable pre made. They coordinate movement and fire fast enough that it’s clear they are on voice.

Ithilwen.1529:

I don’t want to wait a month or two, I’m being steamrolled in the vast majority of matches. The matching “system” seems hell-bent on putting me against pvp 80’s. (I’m 59 at the moment ) an excellent way to drive off players, especially any new ones who happen to show up.

Yes, watching gameplay it’s easy to spot a probable pre made. They coordinate movement and fire fast enough that it’s clear they are on voice.

First of all, once you’re about level 40-50 in pvp skill level is about the same. There isn’t much to learn about your class if you were to play 2k games more… whether you’re lvl 1 or 80 rankings will (should) determine skill level anyways.The rest of what you’re saying is just good rotation that any good player knows.

That said it’s apparent that premades are happening with solo players, whether they be partnered with a duo or triple premade themselves. I’m sure what ever imbalances there are in the matchmaking system will be fixed in the following weeks i’m sure. This is barely the second day afterall.

Idk on which new thread i should post this so i just put it in here.
We had 2 kind of solo players befor the new update
1: Ppl which played soloque cause they dont want to play against premades and doesnt have problems with Skyhammer
2: Ppl which played Solo in teamque cause they dont have problems to face premade teams but dislike skyhammer and spiritwatch

And now both sides get kittened up from Anet well done ^^

Ps: sry for my bad english

Easy fix:
Ranked Team Q: requires full 5-man group
Ranked Solo Q: only solo
Unranked Q: Whatever

Just played against the same pre-made team of 5 twice in a row as solo.

Another patch that has been an absolute kittening fail.

Lol… Just bc ur getting rekt doesn’t mean ur fighting a premade, ur probably just bad #psi

Aaron.2413:

Lol… Just bc ur getting rekt doesn’t mean ur fighting a premade, ur probably just bad #psi

Yeah – You must be correct. I mean, them all being in the same guild must of been a massive coincidence.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/PvP-Queue-Unable-to-gain-access-error

^ This is happening to me. Be happy you can even play at the moment.

Aaron.2413:

Lol… Just bc ur getting rekt doesn’t mean ur fighting a premade, ur probably just bad #psi

I thought it was already a well established rule lately on this board if you right click the enemy team members, you’ll know if it’s premade (and also the obvious guild tags).

Justin ODell.9517:

I’m really curious as to how you guys are figuring out if the other team is a pre-made. We don’t tell you, and looking at the data there are very few party rosters compared to solo.

Is it just match quality being bad? Are you just recognizing player names?

I was playing yesterday in the evening on Spirit Watch, i solo queued, it was ranked arena. The game was horrible, we lost it completely, i asked at the end, if the enemy team is premade, they said they are full 5 party team, not on TS, but it does not matter and not changing the fact your new system is broken and needs a fix asap.

Unfortunately i dont have a screenshot of this match, but you can check my yesterdays ranked matches on spirit watch in your database, i did not play that much…

Update 19:33: Now i just played one and only match today, solo ranked arena on temple, it was again against premade. No clue why should i even bother contiune playing, i guess my money are not going to be back but my precious time is lost.

I don’t know if I’m in the right thread for this.

Yesterday I read a dev stating that the weight of team size in matchmaking depends on a parameter that is currently low.

He said he would be happy to change the parameter once he gets more evidence in addition to initial forum reactions.

So here we are : today, I played 4 matches. 3 of them were against premades (maybe 4, not sure). The 2nd team told me (10 mins ago) that they lost 3 matches out of 40 today. They are taking advantage of the (broken) system before it gets fixed.

btw : didn’t win a single match today ! It’s simply impossible now with all those premades taking advantage of the situation.

edit : premade vs randoms can’t be completely avoided even if you set a higher value on the weight parameter. But one thing could be done : when the matchmaker knows that one team is premade and one is random, it should eliminate the “new” map as premades will mass-vote it (and they will be prepared for it while others will not. This map is too different)

ArenaNet – You going to fix this or will it take another few months?

I really don’t think solo vs team is the issue. The issue is being paired with total newbies who literally never played PvP before. Solo queue in team arena just to give me reasonable people most of the time previously. Now it just insta-pops the queue and I am with rabbit players. It doesn’t make much sense. Something isn’t working.

I don’t mind taking a good solo queue team and going up against a premade. But this isn’t happening. Even the other good solo players I never get paired with…..

I just played 2 more matches. 2 more premades, one of them massvoting the new map.

This is ridiculous.

I was very happy about the announced changes for PvP. Now they are here, and I think I’ll just have to completely step out of PvP. Fortunately I’m not a hardcore pvp-only player, so I will not have to completely stop GW2 …