Guild Wars 2

I’ve been playing this game for 3 years and it appears that players were more civilized then now. Recently I have created a necromancer (I played all in pvp except necro and ele) and learned to play the condition build, today I get into an unranked arena and I failed to stomp an enemy to rescue my ally since I did not bring stability. Then my teammate blame on me for not having rescued him and I apologized. We ultimately lost the game but then the guy wrote in team channel that it was my fault and said “don’t play unranked if you are not good” and the other one said I am “kitten”, and that I am supposed to tank for holding point (which is not my build), as if I am the only one who contributes to the losing. I was speechless.

Indeed, I was offended, and this happened like hundred times, in PvP and in dungeons. Apparently the GW2 community has degenerated these years. I was expecting the community always be better than that in LoL but those people really made this game newbie unfriendly.

If you spent your time reading my stuff, I would like you to share your feelings.

Yes, this sort of stuff happens fairly frequently in Unranked. However, I wouldn’t take it to heart. It’s rare that a win or loss comes down purely to one mistake (and if does, usually the match is extremely close). More than likely your teammates are just looking for somebody to blame, and it usually comes down on the classes that are regarded as being “mediocre”.

Well, PvP games are really about the team fight, and if you fail to stomp or rez, and ultimately the cause of losing the team fight.

I’d yell at you too.

Lately I’ve been getting games with newbs, where 2 guys are down and I’m down, and my teammates just being dumb and pew pew or whatever, I die, they both pop back up. Own the kitten out of the dumb teammate of mine, we get out of rotation. Lose games.

They have an arena called “practice” for a reason.
Suggest you try that place out for awhile if your so good that you can play everything but necro and ele but still don’t know how to stomp.

When I lose games and I know for fact it was because dumb people didn’t know how to stomp and caused us to get out of rotation. I get mad, especially when we could’ve won it…. IF… ya stomped or rez.

Has nothing to do with being good at a profession.
Has everything to do with awareness, you could not know how to play anything but if you know you gotta stomp and you go for the stomp your better than the guy good at something but terrible awareness.

Also, I have no sympathy for those people that make excuses “I cant hold the node yada yada yada”.

kitten, if no one on the node and your going for the cap or whatever, defend that kitten, hold that kitten. Don’t cap it if you don’t plan to at least make sure nobody coming.

Cant rez, cant stomp, cant hold a node.
Yup you pretty detrimental.
Those people that claim “I’m a team player, I gotta be in all the team fights”, kitten when you get out of rotation there is no such thing as a fair team fight, its always gonna be 2v3 3v4 until you get back into rotation. And if you cant handle yourself, you reason why your team lost because they have to carry your weight since you cannot carry it yourself.

Not sure what it is in dungeons, but if you watch cutscenes, expect to be yelled at or booted. You doing a 30 fractal and cannot do something, there’s no excuse.
Game has been out for like 3 years like you said, people aint got time for people doing dumb things to make dungeons longer or lose because somebody didn’t go for the stomp in time, or wasn’t aware that the teammate was low on hp and will die before you stomp another guy.

You asked for feelings about that, I give you them.

Sometimes it’s not the guy’s fault though. There’s been many situations where I was forced to pop my Stability earlier in the fight and thus didn’t have it available when it came to stomping time. Or you were already very low on health and by keeping your distance, you could instead kill your opponent with normal attacks, whereas if you’d tried to stomp, you’d have been downed too and then the Warrior/Ranger wins the downed fight due to their skills. (Nothing’s more humiliating than having downed a Warrior, you go down, then the Warrior Vengeances up and stomps you.)

It happens in ranked, too. Usually I hear it from folks who think they are better than me and think they’ve gotten a rotten team. But from watching how they play, they are not particularly good. I loved the ranger the other day who spouted all sorts of vileness about how terrible me and the rest of his team was. He ended up on the opposite team in the next game, and proceeded to LB2 right into my reflective shield. Brilliant! Also, they are usually “lone wolves” who do whatever they want, and don’t adapt to the team. They also don’t bother strategizing or trying to take the lead (which is what the actually good players do) and expect the rest of us to magically carry them.(??) On my team I’d rather have a less mechanically skilled player who’s a good team member, more or less aware, a good sport, and learns from mistakes than a keyboard wizard with zero social/leadership skills and who is sure they are always the smartest, best person on the field.

amethyst.3264:

We ultimately lost the game but then the guy wrote in team channel that it was my fault and said “don’t play unranked if you are not good” and the other one said I am “kitten”, and that I am supposed to tank for holding point (which is not my build), as if I am the only one who contributes to the losing. I was speechless.

If you got more than 1 person yelling at you, you probably did do something wrong and stuff happened like I said earlier, could’ve won but didn’t do something thus forcing your team into bad rotation.

All it takes is 1 or 2 moments in the game and its pretty much over.
Get the other team out of rotation and just slaughter them 3v1 3v2 4v2 4v3 4v1.

This is unranked so if I witnessed this, I wouldn’t get too angry. Unless there was someone on the other team I hated and you made me lose the game.

However, the developers made an arena called “PRACTICE” for a reason.

To the people suggesting “practice,” have you been in practice lately? It’s basically the same as hotjoin – where teams zerg from point to point and exploit team imbalance to secure a win. I don’t see this as a place to legitimately “practice” how to play PvP. It may as well be a different game mode.

OP, you probably did mess up and you probably weren’t the only person on your team that did. Messing up happens. There’s no problem with your team pointing it out or offering advice, but if you’re being belittled, called names or harassed, use the report function. I’m not sure which one of these happened, since I wasn’t there to read it.

Abusing someone just because they played badly in a casual game mode is ridiculous and indefensible.

I understand you OP. I don’t remember it being this bad. I only play in ranked and I still get some pretty nasty lines if a mistake happens.

Honestly, don’t take it to heart. It’s a game, chillax and take it with a grain of sand. Of course, always compete at the same time. Don’t try to respond to the player. I find keeping silent will win the hearts of other players. Most know there’s going to be a kid out there who will do the yelling.

if they expect any necro build to res then they have never played a necro…. it is the easiest class to prevent from rezzing with no blocks or stability or easy and long lasting blinds, i play necro almost exclusively unless i need to learn something about another class, played everything but thief in pvp and it is almost impossible to rez someone if the enemy knows what it is doing.

I’m going to agree with OP. I tend to play with my friends who are very high ranks and play a lot more pvp than me and they are really nice and we play against teams who are nice. However, when I go solo people are giant kittens (especially in unranks for some reason lol). I don’t know why people get so mad it’s just a game. If you get upset and mad trying to have fun maybe you should do something else. I do miss when I could go solo and not be yelled at for being a low rank (I was rabbit/dolyak for more than two years XD).

Hey, it’s easy and nice.
When someone is flaming you, always try to kitten him off even more.
Drop some short questions.
It’s funny how some people get mad.

Don’t take it personally, lots of people get upset when their teammates don’t do what they think they should do. If you’re not constantly making the same mistake over and over and you recognize when your behavior is bad, then it’s fine.

It only really becomes a problem if you’re constantly and purposefully repeating the same mistake over and over again no matter how many different people tell you it’s not good.

uberkingkong.8041:

Cant rez, cant stomp, cant hold a node.
Yup you pretty detrimental.

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… if stomping (or rezzing) would make the guy taking action to go down it would be even more dumb to try doing it and failing.
A player MUST know when he is able to do (or not to do) something. When I play thief, even though I down people, I rarely attempt to stomp them UNLESS I absolutely need the stomp ASAP and I have a CD ready for that (Refuge, Shadowstep).
I am willing to use a CD for safestomping a guy if the situation really calls for it. But if I get the blame for “not stomping” when I know that attempting to stomp would just mean certain death for me, why should I even try? Moreover I usually use my ports for moving around the map so it’s very unlikely that I have them ready for a stomp.
Luckily I almost never get blamed for my decision making in unranked (cause I usually am the MVP of my team), but still, the few times it happened in the past were really annoying.

Don’t just blame people all over for the decisions they make.
Sure, sometimes you are right at blaming the guy who didnt move to rez you when the only guy cleaving your body is a Bunker Guardian…
Of course, the same applies for “can’t hold a node”. It is 100 times better to stay ALIVE than to go inside a point and die in seconds. I actually get even MORE mad when people say “I was the only one on point” when the point was full of AoEs. If you can’t stay on a point you must NOT stay on a point.
There are some situations that might push me to go and hold a point despite not being in the best position to do so, but still, your assumptions are totally wrong.

Some people think too highly of themselves,think they do everything right when infact they don’t and then blame it on someone else instead.Failing to stomp..it happens,getting too much focus,no more stabi left to stomp etc etc..if you’re gonna rage about that,it’s time to get laid.

Uberkingkong: please uninstall. We don’t want people like you in our community.

When I see someone doing all the wrong things, I whisper them and tell them that I can show/tell them how it is suppose to be done. Raging at someone in unranked for not being the best player is just the most childish thing in this game. There will always be bad players (maybe your mmr isn’t as good as you think?), but that doesn’t give you any reason to start verbally abuse them and call them names. Why don’t you just offer your help instead?

I bet you are one of those who complain about long queue times and not enough players, but ultimately are the reason people are not playing PvP.

If I (a PvP player) go to PvE with a new profession and do a dungeon, which I perform badly in because I don’t know its mechanics (this is not a lvl 80 experienced people only group), and people start raging at me instead of showing me the way. You can bet that I would leave and go back to PvP instead, probably not doing that dungeon again for months. And it is the same thing the other way around. I’ve heard people say that they are never going back to PvP if this is the community. Bam. We just lost a potentially good player…

“don’t play unranked if you’re not good”
AHAHAHAHAHAHA, you should’ve respond
“ok, I’ll practice in ranked then”

Oh pls,
me uninstall?

Look at facts,
more than 1 person yelled at him
he recently started a necro
There is a place called Practice for practicing.

He asked for it the moment he started a new profession and went into a big boys game. Like I mentioned before its not about skills, its about awareness.

If more than 1 person yapping at you, YES you kittened up big time. Your team is not the reason why they lost, its because you messed up, BIG. And there goes your rotations.

Like I mentioned earlier, but people don’t read everything. All it takes is 1 or 2 moments and that will be game set.

You don’t hear it much anymore but back then, there was a saying, you lose the start of the game, you pretty much lost the game.

Rotations are a huge part of the game. Knowing where to be at is a huge part of the game. Being able to hold and stomp is a difference maker too.

People can hate all they want, make you feel good all you want. But fact is, you messed up, and I’m here to tell you exactly what anyone would do in this situation and not be nice and give you a pat on the back and say “oh its ok”.

You claim to be decent at every class but 2, you should know better than how to stomp, you should know you have to defend points sometimes even when your not the point holder.

Necromancers can hold points too, so don’t give me that crap a necro cant hold.
Only class that shouldn’t be holding is a thief, that really shouldn’t hold a point is a thief because they rely too much on invisibility and therefore bad at preventing others from decapping. A necro can go into its forms or fear off, etc. Don’t give me that crap.
I’m a champ phantom, so I know what I’m talking about, Champ at all professions.

The one thing I hate the most about other players I play with in ranked unranked ques, is those people that claim “I’m a team player, all I do is follow zerg, no stomps, no rezzes, no holding, I just follow around and tag people” type of players, those guys cant carry themselves, why you expect others to carry you?

And for those staff ele’s, the most team player of all type of players, lately, I’ve been seeing some really good 1v1 staff ele’s, like super long time to kill kind. So don’t give me that crap either.

You know why these players do these kind of things? (Zerging, not stomping etc) It is because they played practice! It is literally the only tactic used there. People join side with the winning team, roam around 5v4 the entire game and just zerg to win.

Practice is a place to practice new builds to learn the ups and downs of it. Not a place to practice rotations etc. That is where unranked come into play. This is where people who feel sufficient on their profession come to learn rotations and how this game really works. Ranked are for the hard-core competitors. If you see someone not knowing kitten about the game mode just tell them to go unranked until they feel competent enough for ranked.

Yes. I told you that because you stand out as a huge kitten that we don’t want in this community. If more than one person yelled at him, that doesn’t mean they’re ultimately right, does it?! I’ve had people rage at me (d/p thief) for not engaging a medi guard solo on point in his favor. I went somewhere else, +1 a fight, re-capped home and then went far with my mesmer to slay that guardian. The three other people on my team thought I was an idiot for not engaging my counter profession alone. We won that match (I carried hard), yet my team was kittened and claimed we would have won earlier if I had engaged that fight…

The fact that you say a thief can’t hold point for few seconds prove that you don’t know kitten about that profession. Ever played S/D?

Unranked is for learning. Ranked is for people that want to compete.

Don’t harass other people for being bad (anet has a crappy introduction for new players). Instead you should guide them on their path and you might get a new person really interested in PvP to stay, not leave.

uberkingkong.8041:

Only class that shouldn’t be holding is a thief, that really shouldn’t hold a point is a thief because they rely too much on invisibility and therefore bad at preventing others from decapping.

What the heck. S/D thieves rely on stealth to survive? Lets just forget about all the evade spam they have. There was one time in WTS where toker was holding a point alone 1v2 without stealthing or leaving the point.

i get annoyed when people dont rez or stomp when they have a down teammate. they try to kill them with damage instead. so many times ive watched a stupid teammate do that and not even get the kill and end up dying right next to me.

usually the only time i will criticize a teammate is when they are playing with a stupid strategy (like 2 people running around together capping and leaving) or not playing at all.

also, i dont remember quite how the saying goes but its something like the first one to lay blame is usually the one at fault.

Funny thing is, the guy laying on the ground about to die is blaming the other guy who is still alive doing damage and holding a point. The guy laying on the ground needs to get good.

amethyst.3264:

this happened like hundred times, in PvP and in dungeons.

If you are getting raged at constantly you are probably doing visibly dumb things, or you are getting an extraordinary amount of ragers. Bud, if you are not helping team mates it’s probably the former.

My favorite players are the ones that bring banner, go for stomps, refuge the downed- and I repay these pals not only with a ‘ty’ in chat but also with healing turret blasts, super elixirs, fumigating their condis, and interrupting resses and stomps. You can be good mechanically but not helping your team is insane, you need them healthy and alive.

uberkingkong.8041:

Oh pls,
me uninstall?

Look at facts,
more than 1 person yelled at him
he recently started a necro
There is a place called Practice for practicing.

He asked for it the moment he started a new profession and went into a big boys game. Like I mentioned before its not about skills, its about awareness.

If more than 1 person yapping at you, YES you kittened up big time. Your team is not the reason why they lost, its because you messed up, BIG. And there goes your rotations.

Like I mentioned earlier, but people don’t read everything. All it takes is 1 or 2 moments and that will be game set.

You don’t hear it much anymore but back then, there was a saying, you lose the start of the game, you pretty much lost the game.

Rotations are a huge part of the game. Knowing where to be at is a huge part of the game. Being able to hold and stomp is a difference maker too.

People can hate all they want, make you feel good all you want. But fact is, you messed up, and I’m here to tell you exactly what anyone would do in this situation and not be nice and give you a pat on the back and say “oh its ok”.

You claim to be decent at every class but 2, you should know better than how to stomp, you should know you have to defend points sometimes even when your not the point holder.

Necromancers can hold points too, so don’t give me that crap a necro cant hold.
Only class that shouldn’t be holding is a thief, that really shouldn’t hold a point is a thief because they rely too much on invisibility and therefore bad at preventing others from decapping. A necro can go into its forms or fear off, etc. Don’t give me that crap.
I’m a champ phantom, so I know what I’m talking about, Champ at all professions.

The one thing I hate the most about other players I play with in ranked unranked ques, is those people that claim “I’m a team player, all I do is follow zerg, no stomps, no rezzes, no holding, I just follow around and tag people” type of players, those guys cant carry themselves, why you expect others to carry you?

And for those staff ele’s, the most team player of all type of players, lately, I’ve been seeing some really good 1v1 staff ele’s, like super long time to kill kind. So don’t give me that crap either.

Quit being results oriented.

If you queue solo you work on you and if your other teammates aren’t up to par they need more experience. If you think you don’t make mistakes yourself you are 100% wrong. I’ve played with the top players. They make mistakes. Most will say their mistakes when they stream.

When people get into the blame game it could distract the people who weren’t dealing well from analyzing their own play.

ItIsFinished.9462:

Funny thing is, the guy laying on the ground about to die is blaming the other guy who is still alive doing damage and holding a point. The guy laying on the ground needs to get good.

your teammate just went 1v3 and killed 2 of them before the last one managed to get him downed, and then you finally arrive.
why does he need to get good? maybe you shouldve been there to assist sooner?
goes both ways, many different scenarios. fact is you need to help your teammates to win a team game consistently. unless theyre just really bad, then maybe them waiting to respawn helps the other team not score points.

oneply.9586:

ItIsFinished.9462:

Funny thing is, the guy laying on the ground about to die is blaming the other guy who is still alive doing damage and holding a point. The guy laying on the ground needs to get good.

your teammate just went 1v3 and killed 2 of them before the last one managed to get him downed, and then you finally arrive.
why does he need to get good? maybe you shouldve been there to assist sooner?
goes both ways, many different scenarios. fact is you need to help your teammates to win a team game consistently. unless theyre just really bad, then maybe them waiting to respawn helps the other team not score points.

You’re right about helping your teammates as much as possible, but at the same time, like you said, there are many different scenarios. Maybe I had just blew all of my cooldowns before arriving to assist, therefore I had no stability to stomp etc etc. My point is, don’t cast blame on someone you don’t know.

There’s a difference between making mistakes, like dodging wrong, using utilities at wrong time, etc., getting distracted by someone.
I call this common mistakes, not a big deal.

And then theres mistakes like, 2 guys down and your teammate is down, and instead of finishing or rezzing your teammate up, you just keep pew pewing the downed guys and they own your teammate and pop back up and now they kitten that dumb guy.
I call this stupid mistakes, game changing mistakes, idiot type mistake.

Also, when people let downed people decap the node because they finish off the node, or when people get off the node in a 2v1 fight and let the guy get a free decap.
More examples of stupid mistakes, yes they can be game changers too. Also, idiots do these mistakes.

When you get multiple people yelling at you, just eat those mistakes and learn to listen to others.

There’s one thing when someone just trolls you because they think you bad. Than there’s another when people or multiple people or multiple times you get called out for being dumb because you did one of those game changing idiot stupid type mistakes.

Just because your a certain profession, DOESNT give you any privileges for getting away with those mistakes. Every profession can finish, doesn’t matter if you don’t have stability or whatever, you need to learn how to watch animations and dodge and finish. If they didn’t want necromancers to finish, there wouldn’t be a finish option.

uberkingkong.8041:

There’s a difference between making mistakes, like dodging wrong, using utilities at wrong time, etc.
I call this common mistakes, not a big deal.

And then theres mistakes like, 2 guys down and your teammate is down, and instead of finishing or rezzing your teammate up, you just keep pew pewing the downed guys and they own your teammate and pop back up and now they kitten that dumb guy.
I call this stupid mistakes, game changing mistakes, idiot type mistake.

Or how about this one:

You’re playing ranked on Temple of the Silent Storm, you call out that Stillness is about to pop and you’ll be there to assist in a second, you just have to finish capping a point you just cleared after winning a 1 v 2. You cap the point, start running to Stillness, see the enemy team player there, channeling, and two of your teammates there standing next to him watching. Neither of your teammates hits the enemy channeler, and you see one guy attempt to channel over the enemy player. Is this even possible? Can you even start a channel when the enemy is channelling? I didn’t think it was possible, but my teammate said “I was trying to channel but he started first.”

It’s moments like these that are facepalm rage inducing game changingly obnoxious and there is literally no excuse in the world for being that bad in ranked.

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

uberkingkong.8041:

There’s a difference between making mistakes, like dodging wrong, using utilities at wrong time, etc.
I call this common mistakes, not a big deal.

And then theres mistakes like, 2 guys down and your teammate is down, and instead of finishing or rezzing your teammate up, you just keep pew pewing the downed guys and they own your teammate and pop back up and now they kitten that dumb guy.
I call this stupid mistakes, game changing mistakes, idiot type mistake.

Or how about this one:

You’re playing ranked on Temple of the Silent Storm, you call out that Stillness is about to pop and you’ll be there to assist in a second, you just have to finish capping a point you just cleared after winning a 1 v 2. You cap the point, start running to Stillness, see the enemy team player there, channeling, and two of your teammates there standing next to him watching. Neither of your teammates hits the enemy channeler, and you see one guy attempt to channel over the enemy player. Is this even possible? Can you even start a channel when the enemy is channelling? I didn’t think it was possible, but my teammate said “I was trying to channel but he started first.”

It’s moments like these that are facepalm rage inducing game changingly obnoxious and there is literally no excuse in the world for being that bad in ranked.

Yes, that’s an idiot type mistake. I’d be pretty kittened off at that.

Also, when ele’s are downed on the node, and when they mist form and move off the node and become downed off the node.
Wtf, idiot.

uberkingkong.8041:

There’s a difference between making mistakes, like dodging wrong, using utilities at wrong time, etc.
I call this common mistakes, not a big deal.

And then theres mistakes like, 2 guys down and your teammate is down, and instead of finishing or rezzing your teammate up, you just keep pew pewing the downed guys and they own your teammate and pop back up and now they kitten that dumb guy.
I call this stupid mistakes, game changing mistakes, idiot type mistake.

Yes, but it isn’t necessary to be an A-hat about it. If you cannot calmly explain to people that what they did made things go wrong it’s a sign you are too emotional. We aren’t playing for anything of consequence in ranked or unranked queues.

My view in ranked and unranked is it training grounds to get better and perhaps maybe get into a competitive team at some point in the future. If not so be it. So it’s better to let others learn on their own terms. Maybe point out things in a positive or neutral toned manner when you do see big errors in judgment. People aren’t receptive and get thrown into defensiveness when you just out right attack them.

I think I’ve only let one or two things slip in the past month or two, but these matches we play really don’t have an effect on our real lives and shouldn’t be causing stress levels they do.

To those saying you should only stomp or res, not cleave, I have two words for you: mesmer shatter.

I play mesmer and I love it when a squishy class goes to res someone and I just take the resser out as well. I then either res my team mate or continue damaging the downed bodies.

Even if we have a player down, I can be pretty certain that I can cleave a downed guy faster than a downed person can cleave a downed person.

In fact, the only time you should stomp is when you’ve got stability/invuln. Trying to stomp and getting interrupted and potentially killed is far worse than cleaving or ressing.

losing games because your team mates blow is not that bad, but when it’s the third game in a row it gets frustrating.

William C.6195:

To those saying you should only stomp or res, not cleave, I have two words for you: mesmer shatter.

I play mesmer and I love it when a squishy class goes to res someone and I just take the resser out as well. I then either res my team mate or continue damaging the downed bodies.

Even if we have a player down, I can be pretty certain that I can cleave a downed guy faster than a downed person can cleave a downed person.

In fact, the only time you should stomp is when you’ve got stability/invuln. Trying to stomp and getting interrupted and potentially killed is far worse than cleaving or ressing.

thats called being aware and knowing class mechanics outside of your own.

choovanski.5462:

losing games because your team mates blow is not that bad, but when it’s the third game in a row it gets frustrating.

This is being results oriented.

Some things are out of control when we queue solo.

I played poker for a long time. Sometimes I would lose with pocket Aces against weaker opponents. At first it’s upsetting, but you have to make that realization when you play right and lose that’s just the way “luck” or whatever has unfolded itself.

You also never hear anyone on these forums make the statement, “I just won three games in a row, and boy I’m frustrated!.”

SobeSoul.6910:

You also never hear anyone on these forums make the statement, “I just won three games in a row, and boy I’m frustrated!.”

For me, it’s frustrating when I win match with 500:120 score.
Also when I lose one the same way.

As far as I understand, this post is about the use of profanity and the quite toxic behaviour some people exhibit and not about criticism in general. People going on rants about mistakes they’ve encountered in their time in PvP – not saying these aren’t legitimate rants, because we’ve all been angry about someone who shows less skill than your average PvE-Dungeon-Boss – go quite off topic. Yeah, just because somebody doesn’t like flaming and whining kittennozzles doesn’t mean he can’t take any criticism. I love some kitten constructive criticism and if some player takes his time to actually tell me what I did wrong, I’ll be grateful and take that to heart. I don’t like flamers and whiners and people using slurs and whatnot immediately if the game isn’t in our teams favour anymore, regardless of any possibility to turn it around – because I’ve just seen enough competent people being able to make a comeback, to believe not every game is immediately decided, when one team manages to capture two points at the beginning.

Nobody is saying “OMG, everyone is a special snowflake, stop ever talking bad about someone!”, nobody. And, really, if you believe that one mistake is all it takes to lose a PUG match, then, I’d say chances are, you are wrong. Obviously, that changes in proper tournament matches, but this is not what we are talking about here.

Dear OP,
some people are kittens. Some people don’t understand the difference between being an kitten and being competitive. Its absolutely fine to block people who just insult you. If they don’t immediately do that, maybe ask them what they would have done and describe why you didn’t do it (e.g. stomping a guard without any blinds/stability). Sadly, you’ll always incounter people who cannot point out the difference between criticism and insults.

Also, if insulting someone in a PvP match can be considered “trolling” nowadays, man, trolling has gone downhill. Back in my day … /old fart

Op just block people that rage in team chat, they serve zero purpose and hurt the team more than anything you “might” have done wrong. I started blocking people cussing and crying in team chat, and my PvP experience improved 100% =)

Not enough players for the new players to play together and the “elites” to play together. Everyone gets jumbled up or the queue’s would be to long.

Of course than the “pro’s” on one hand are acting like kitten’s to newer players, and on the other complaining there aren’t enough people joining pvp.

uberkingkong.8041:

People can hate all they want, make you feel good all you want. But fact is, you messed up, and I’m here to tell you exactly what anyone would do in this situation and not be nice and give you a pat on the back and say “oh its ok”.

I don’t think anyone’s suggesting that you must be “nice.” I think it’s fair that you must be “decent” though. No matter how competitive you are or how wrapped up in a game you may be, there are real people playing those characters. Some of the things I’ve seen being said in chat are far out of line, and I can’t imagine that you haven’t encountered the same thing at some point. This discussion doesn’t have to be about the merits of kittens vs. carebears. It’s about a very basic, bottom line of respect that you have for other people, and that bottom line gets crossed way too often. PvP is really fun, but it’s hard to keep an active player base when it’s the polar opposite of inviting.

William C.6195:

In fact, the only time you should stomp is when you’ve got stability/invuln. Trying to stomp and getting interrupted and potentially killed is far worse than cleaving or ressing.

This is a really good point. There are so many situations where (whatever the player is being flamed for in mapchat) is actually a terrible idea. People sometimes see a profession and assume they’re running a certain build or utility setup, or they’re simply paying no attention to what’s going on. I’ve been flamed for reasons similar to OP – for not rezzing a mesmer on my team when he went down. But he went down in a pool of AoE (didn’t or couldn’t use deception), and I was already at 25% health with my invuln on cooldown from a recent stomp. Yeah right, lol. Right on that.

Elegy.2159:

there are real people playing those characters.

I’m not convinced.

Well, you did your best which is what matters- I do pvp frequently with my sister, well earlier I was in a match, forest of niflhelm & I had just killed our beast when a thief came up & tried to kill me, I killed this thief quickly, I’m a power necro~ Well they whispered me & said I had been reported for hacking. then they called me sexist & racist slurs & said I was a bad player. So the rest of the match literally was me killing them & they threatened me over & over. I trolled a little afterwards, not gonna lie- each time I killed them I’d cry over their body & dance
I reported them for the verbal abuse & blocked them—- my 1st official rager

invuln and stability are not the only ways to stomp. You have invis.
Also have farting blindness on them (referring to engy flamethrower 5)

Good players keep attacking to get rid of the blindness (unless its thief blind field, can be countered too btw, requires timing), dumb players wait and do nothing therefore when they do there knockdown or whatever they’re still blind. I’m not too familiar with blindness but some blindness stays. I believe blindness should stay until timer is done regardless of attacking to remove it.

necro has blindness too. its number 4.

Again, good players look at the player they are finishing, and when they see animation of them getting ready to do a knockdown or whatever, they dodge.

Only poor/bad players make excuses for not being able to finish. Same thing with not being able to hold a point.

uberkingkong.8041:

invuln and stability are not the only ways to stomp. You have invis.
Also have farting blindness on them (referring to engy flamethrower 5)

Good players keep attacking to get rid of the blindness (unless its thief blind field, can be countered too btw, requires timing), dumb players wait and do nothing therefore when they do there knockdown or whatever they’re still blind. I’m not too familiar with blindness but some blindness stays. I believe blindness should stay until timer is done regardless of attacking to remove it.

necro has blindness too. its number 4.

Again, good players look at the player they are finishing, and when they see animation of them getting ready to do a knockdown or whatever, they dodge.

Only poor/bad players make excuses for not being able to finish. Same thing with not being able to hold a point.

Cleaving is still better in most situations.

Grenade barrage on a down body with manual ressers = victory.

I would not say skills that apply blind once are stomp skills. I’d say the percentage of people who do nothing while in downstate is closer to zero than anything else. Heck, if I’m on thief or mesmer and try to stealth downed people to prevent a stomp, most people break stealth. So no, most players probably will not keep the blind on themselves until they use their downstate CC.

Also, “its number 4”, very accurate stuff there. I know you’re talking about offhand dagger 4, but not all necros take offhand dagger – some power necros prefer focus and some rather take warhorn for the mobility.

And certainly, seeing a flamethrower engi in PvP is a very rare thing. Also, to bring bomb kit (or FT for that matter), you’d have to throw out your only stunbreak, which is ridiculous, grenade kit, which is rather unlikely unless you REALLY like CC more than anything else, or toolkit, which is the greatest thing ever. So. yeah, most engis simply don’t do it because outside of stomping someone, the other skills are more usefull.

More people would practice in the practice mode if it wasn’t switch/hold entrance for the win or (un)happy-get-the-dailies-(un)funland and toxic to boot. But I guess the mode can afford to lose more people willing to try… oh wait.

Mouseheart.8672:

And certainly, seeing a flamethrower engi in PvP is a very rare thing. Also, to bring bomb kit (or FT for that matter), you’d have to throw out your only stunbreak, which is ridiculous, grenade kit, which is rather unlikely unless you REALLY like CC more than anything else, or toolkit, which is the greatest thing ever. So. yeah, most engis simply don’t do it because outside of stomping someone, the other skills are more usefull.

Do you play engi? Yes, bomb kit engineer is viable (it was even listed under “meta builds” a month ago or so"), if you take it instead of grenades and trait for it, and play condi. On this same build, pistol #3 is also a blind. Flamethrower is arguably rather bad, but I’ve seen Backpack use it when he queues solo. And if you really want to play the meta engi build, you have a blind on your grenade kit #3.

As someone who only recently started playing the sPVP game mode (having started out exclusively PVE then moved into WvW about 2 years ago), the problem for me has been finding relevant up-to-date info on the mechanics of PvP.
I tried practice .. briefly! Literally .. went in .. decided that this just wasn’t for me. Brought to mind Quake FFA servers .. fun but mindless .. I outgrew that.

That left me with 2 choices: Unranked or Ranked. Clearly, it would have been stupid for me to join Ranked .. so unranked it is. And actually? It’s been a great experience. I’m enjoying it .. and the one time I noticed chat about me, it was cordial and enjoyable chat.

Having said that .. because I went in a virgin to PvP, I must have been annoying as hell to some of the more experienced players. I double capped (under the impression that it would speed up capping .. wrong I know now thanks to the site .. still out-dated .. that I found). And sometimes I avoid ressing (I’m a Necro and suffer all the effects that Necros suffer from) if that would mean I’d be downed as well .. same for stomp.

But this is a learning process and I’ll pick it up – just as I did in WvW ..
What I don’t need as a newbie is someone being abusive or derogatory by way of educating me..

Sorel.4870:

Mouseheart.8672:

And certainly, seeing a flamethrower engi in PvP is a very rare thing. Also, to bring bomb kit (or FT for that matter), you’d have to throw out your only stunbreak, which is ridiculous, grenade kit, which is rather unlikely unless you REALLY like CC more than anything else, or toolkit, which is the greatest thing ever. So. yeah, most engis simply don’t do it because outside of stomping someone, the other skills are more usefull.

Do you play engi? Yes, bomb kit engineer is viable (it was even listed under “meta builds” a month ago or so"), if you take it instead of grenades and trait for it, and play condi. On this same build, pistol #3 is also a blind. Flamethrower is arguably rather bad, but I’ve seen Backpack use it when he queues solo. And if you really want to play the meta engi build, you have a blind on your grenade kit #3.

As a matter of fact, I do. I wasn’t saying bomb kit is not viable. Please, where did I say bomb kit was not viable? That was not my intention at all and I’m sorry you got that impression from my post. When I played celestial rifle, I actually took bombs over grenades because I absolutely loved the CC that they provide over the damage grenades give you. I was however under the impression that it is usually agreed upon that grenades bring the most damage of all kits – raw and condition damage – and that you don’t see these things – bomb kit and/or FT – too often in PvP compared to, let’s say, grenade kit. Citing one well known competent player and e-celeb (kinda?) doesn’t really disprove this.

I’m (currently) playing with pistol/shield and grenades myself, so I know very well that both number 3s can apply a blind once. Most players in downstate will attack the crap out of you, though, and remove that before they use their CC skills, therefore you’d need a skill constantly applying blinds, like that one well (Necro), smoke bomb (Engi) or black powder (Thief). All I wanted to say was that those skills that apply blind once aren’t really skills that let you do a “safe stomp” close to 100% of the time, while the most popular builds used in PUGs don’t necessarily include other skills mentioned above that would do so, as I’d argue that Engi’s using bomb kit and Necros using the blind well are more of a minority. Nothing about these things being less viable, just different and less likely to be used.

TLDR for both of my posts:
+ Bomb kit is viable and fun, but I’d say, it is still used by the minority of Engis compared to grenade kit or tool kit.
+ There are loads of skills, traited or untraited, that apply the blind condition once. However, I’d argue that trough attacking the crap out of people, most downed players get rid of that one blind before they use their CC. Therefore, apply blind once skills are not “100% safe stomp” skills like skills that continuously apply blinds.
+ Don’t assume things about a player because their class has access to certain skills, although we have meta’s, build diversity is still a thing. *edit I know this is a double edged sword considering my “less likely to be used” argument. kitten ?

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*seriously, last edit: I feel we are really off-topic, you guys! Don’t insult and harass people, mkay?

Don’t take the profanity against you seriously. You’ll meet a lot of those people in PvP and everyone has their own bad days once in a while. So just keep on playing unranked matches till your ready for ranked.

In my case, I won’t be playing ranked till ArenaNet will implement something new for ranked-exclusively.

Such discussion, just block the raging noobs and get on with the game.

Honestly, I swear at my teammates all the time. It is just me venting my frustration at the particular situation at the game. I truly am a nice person, but sometimes things that happen in PvP really get my blood boiling. If it really bugs you, just block the person who is swearing or simply turn team chat off. Having played Player vs Player games pretty much my entire life, swearing is just another part of the experience for me. Don’t let it get you down. Just keep playing and you will eventually get better. xD