Guild Wars 2

Jeffies here we wanted to test out what smurfing on alt accounts would do to the leaderboard and it turned out duoqing during you placement matches was all it took to take the #1 and #2 spots.It’s worth noting that we took down plenty of top 10 proleague players during the placement matches that gave us way 2 much rating.
MAY THE BATTLE OF THE QUE DODGING ALT ACCOUNTS BEGIN!

Skittledness.5106:

Jeffies here we wanted to test out what smurfing on alt accounts would do to the leaderboard and it turned out duoqing during you placement matches was all it took to take the #1 and #2 spots.It’s worth noting that we took down plenty of top 10 proleague players during the placement matches that gave us way 2 much rating.
MAY THE BATTLE OF THE QUE DODGING ALT ACCOUNTS BEGIN!

FYI, the pros also duoQ. First thing ROM or Helseth do when coming online, is look for a duo-partner. They may do a few solo games waiting for them to be available but they mainly duo, AFAIK.

Yep. All they really had to do was giving 1400 rating to new players, and then 10 first games gives you +30 on winning or -30 on loss. After that grind begins… And rating wouldnt “soft” reset at start of every season!

Yannir, point was that it shouldn’t be possible to climb to ranking #1-50 with only first 10 placement matches with alt/new accounts.

Mutaatti.2789:

Yannir, point was that it shouldn’t be possible to climb to ranking #1-50 with only first 10 placement matches with alt/new accounts.

That is true. I might’ve been slightly off-topic earlier

Who cares about this inaccurate leaderboards all is about 2 good players farming wins in a league with a lot of full solo players that cant go much higher than like 1600-1800 full solo because of all duo q’rs and system abuser “pros”. and they are put together in the same leaderboard which is a big mistake to rate every full solo player below duo farmers.
They abuse system,queue dodge, play at 4am, abuse in game bugs, learn to pay.

I can’t take this leaderboard and competitive part of this game serious. Everyone just become crazy and do everything possible to be on top leaderboard ( not by skill and actually playing the game. )

im also tired of white knighting anet pvp for too long, i tried to be positive but they manage to make it worst every season….

I would love for these high-ranked “pros” who say they can “carry” to let their rating decay to bronze and fight their way back up.

I bet they don’t have the stomach for it.

JTGuevara.9018:

I would love for these high-ranked “pros” who say they can “carry” to let their rating decay to bronze and fight their way back up.

I bet they don’t have the stomach for it.

Fight their way back up “full solo” fixed it for you :P

they made a goodsystem but it has serious flaws in placment, measuring MMR on a team effort and not making it per class. Then throw in PvE players and give rewards on per class victories and ascended even on losses and your good intention is totally messed up :-(.

JTGuevara.9018:

I would love for these high-ranked “pros” who say they can “carry” to let their rating decay to bronze and fight their way back up.

I bet they don’t have the stomach for it.

Decay works completely different than just “dropping your rating down”. You can recover your old rating in a matter of a few games.

i love how everyone thinks they are good as pros lol this kittens hysterical. I could beat Sidney Crosby in a faceoff if he would only come to my mens league games

JTGuevara.9018:

I would love for these high-ranked “pros” who say they can “carry” to let their rating decay to bronze and fight their way back up.

I bet they don’t have the stomach for it.

Helseth said he was going to try and start in bronze and work his way up to disprove Elo Hell. Curious to see how that goes.

This whole system is a kittening joke.

Anet as always, doing a kittened up job.

guess it wasnt the 5 man pro team premades that were the reason everyone was getting stomped hmmmmmm

There should be a minimum amount of games played before leaderboard placement matters. So if you have less than say, 50 Or 100 games, your place on the board, and thus where you end the season, is irrelevant and not counted.

All the top players are going to quit trying if this kitten happens
Just play 1 game every 2 days do avoid decay

Skittledness.5106:

All the top players are going to quit trying if this kitten happens
Just play 1 game every 2 days do avoid decay

Don’t even need to do that, just que 7 games on the last 2 days and it will completely wipe your decay.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Decay-does-nothing

Queuing once every 2 days on alt account is also a joke.
A funny joke most people are doing to avoid decay
Hopefully anet can fix their system as it is easily exploitable by smurfing and other ways

Well I did it to show how broken the system is not because I actually care about the title!
Hopefully anet will add a minimum game requirement or some sort of system to avoid smurfing !Every top player right now is currently spending the majority of their time queuing on a alt.The fact of the matter is the system is easily a exploitable and needs a fix

Skittledness.5106:

Well I did it to show how broken the system is not because I actually care about the title!
Hopefully anet will add a minimum game requirement or some sort of system to avoid smurfing !Every top player right now is currently spending the majority of their time queuing on a alt.The fact of the matter is the system is easily a exploitable and needs a fix

I guess I was wrong, I thought the new league system had potential. Looks like it’s just more of the same, just a new GUI coat of paint.

This is the fifth attempt.

Annabel.5127:

Is it really too much to ask for people to not ruin the fun for those who are actually trying to enjoy season 5?

Apparently it is. Although I do think Anet need to accept responsibility for allowing afk/trolling etc to go unpunished and make it a priority to amend.

Every player at every level deserves a fair match.

JTGuevara.9018:

I would love for these high-ranked “pros” who say they can “carry” to let their rating decay to bronze and fight their way back up.

I bet they don’t have the stomach for it.

Decay doesn’t drop you lower, it places you lower on ladder. You still be playing with players around your MMR, same way as if you were in legendary, even if ladder says you are now in silver or gold.

Skittledness.5106:

Jeffies here we wanted to test out what smurfing on alt accounts would do to the leaderboard and it turned out duoqing during you placement matches was all it took to take the #1 and #2 spots.It’s worth noting that we took down plenty of top 10 proleague players during the placement matches that gave us way 2 much rating.
MAY THE BATTLE OF THE QUE DODGING ALT ACCOUNTS BEGIN!

Can we get screenshots of total ranked games played on those accounts and w\l ratio?

MissCee.1295:

Annabel.5127:

Is it really too much to ask for people to not ruin the fun for those who are actually trying to enjoy season 5?

Apparently it is. Although I do think Anet need to accept responsibility for allowing afk/trolling etc to go unpunished and make it a priority to amend.

Every player at every level deserves a fair match.

Funny how NOW they’re saying the system is unfair after they got their top spots ousted. They had no problem doing this on alts clogging up the other spots for top 250 making it unfair for other players.

fishball.7204:

MissCee.1295:

Annabel.5127:

Is it really too much to ask for people to not ruin the fun for those who are actually trying to enjoy season 5?

Apparently it is. Although I do think Anet need to accept responsibility for allowing afk/trolling etc to go unpunished and make it a priority to amend.

Every player at every level deserves a fair match.

Funny how NOW they’re saying the system is unfair after they got their top spots ousted. They had no problem doing this on alts clogging up the other spots for top 250 making it unfair for other players.

I think you need to check the leaderboard before you go splashing sarcasm around.

I think you need to check the top 100 and see how many are alts and how this was a problem from week 1 yet they kept doing it no complaints until it bit them in the rear now.

fishball.7204:

MissCee.1295:

Annabel.5127:

Is it really too much to ask for people to not ruin the fun for those who are actually trying to enjoy season 5?

Apparently it is. Although I do think Anet need to accept responsibility for allowing afk/trolling etc to go unpunished and make it a priority to amend.

Every player at every level deserves a fair match.

Funny how NOW they’re saying the system is unfair after they got their top spots ousted. They had no problem doing this on alts clogging up the other spots for top 250 making it unfair for other players.

Ha! Bunch of hypocrites!

These so-called “pros” are full of it, with their cute little twitch streams. They’re ALWAYS the first ones telling the rest of us to “carry”, as if there is such a thing.

I gave these new leagues a chance; I thought they had potential, truly I did, but I guess nothing’s really changed. You got:

- pro-league players bribing
- alt accounts filling up the top spots on the leaderboard,
- broken decay system
- broken league placement
- players tanking placement games to shoot up the leaderboard
- broken matchmaking and rating system
- excessive focus on rewards and PvE players
- griefers as a result of said rewards

Most egregious are veterans, like myself, who played this game for years who have to scrap it out in BRONZE and are stuck there while others manage to luck out and secure a placement and don’t even bother to queue up. I thought the top was supposed to be “competitive”. It’s bass-ackwards.

The system is a JOKE. You get NOTHING playing fair and working hard. It practically ENCOURAGES you to exploit it to your advantage.

Btw I duoqd on a alt and both Accs are 10-0

I’m getting a bit ticked off with my comments being quoted and referred to as a “pro” player. First off, I am stuck in Bronze. (Diamond last season in my first season to play). Secondly if you check my post history, you will see clearly I have never claimed to be anything other than someone who tries to do their best.

It seems to me that if some players put as much effort into improving their game as they do into these forums we might actually have more “pro” players.

JTGuevara.9018:

fishball.7204:

MissCee.1295:

Annabel.5127:

Is it really too much to ask for people to not ruin the fun for those who are actually trying to enjoy season 5?

Apparently it is. Although I do think Anet need to accept responsibility for allowing afk/trolling etc to go unpunished and make it a priority to amend.

Every player at every level deserves a fair match.

Funny how NOW they’re saying the system is unfair after they got their top spots ousted. They had no problem doing this on alts clogging up the other spots for top 250 making it unfair for other players.

Ha! Bunch of hypocrites!

These so-called “pros” are full of it, with their cute little twitch streams. They’re ALWAYS the first ones telling the rest of us to “carry”, as if there is such a thing.

I gave these new leagues a chance; I thought they had potential, truly I did, but I guess nothing’s really changed. You got:

- pro-league players bribing
- alt accounts filling up the top spots on the leaderboard,
- broken decay system
- broken league placement
- players tanking placement games to shoot up the leaderboard
- broken matchmaking and rating system
- excessive focus on rewards and PvE players
- griefers as a result of said rewards

Most egregious are veterans, like myself, who played this game for years who have to scrap it out in BRONZE and are stuck there while others manage to luck out and secure a placement and don’t even bother to queue up. I thought the top was supposed to be “competitive”. It’s bass-ackwards.

The system is a JOKE. You get NOTHING playing fair and working hard. It practically ENCOURAGES you to exploit it to your advantage.

All of those are not true.
- broken decay system
- broken league placement
- players tanking placement games to shoot up the leaderboard
- broken matchmaking and rating system
Decay works as intended, you don’t play enough ypu get lower spot on the leaderboard.
League placement works based of MMR and MMR works just fine, as it have been, not only in this game, but also in others that use glicko.
Tanking plaement doesn’t help you shoot the leaderboard, you lose, you have to play more to get up again and more you have to play, less your rating adjusts.
From all this anyone can easily kitten that you clearly don’t understand anything and I can tell you, you being in bronze is only your fault, accept it. PvP in gw2 is a joke because of people like you. The rest is true though.

Lavyros.6258:

JTGuevara.9018:

fishball.7204:

MissCee.1295:

Annabel.5127:

Is it really too much to ask for people to not ruin the fun for those who are actually trying to enjoy season 5?

Apparently it is. Although I do think Anet need to accept responsibility for allowing afk/trolling etc to go unpunished and make it a priority to amend.

Every player at every level deserves a fair match.

Funny how NOW they’re saying the system is unfair after they got their top spots ousted. They had no problem doing this on alts clogging up the other spots for top 250 making it unfair for other players.

Ha! Bunch of hypocrites!

These so-called “pros” are full of it, with their cute little twitch streams. They’re ALWAYS the first ones telling the rest of us to “carry”, as if there is such a thing.

I gave these new leagues a chance; I thought they had potential, truly I did, but I guess nothing’s really changed. You got:

- pro-league players bribing
- alt accounts filling up the top spots on the leaderboard,
- broken decay system
- broken league placement
- players tanking placement games to shoot up the leaderboard
- broken matchmaking and rating system
- excessive focus on rewards and PvE players
- griefers as a result of said rewards

Most egregious are veterans, like myself, who played this game for years who have to scrap it out in BRONZE and are stuck there while others manage to luck out and secure a placement and don’t even bother to queue up. I thought the top was supposed to be “competitive”. It’s bass-ackwards.

The system is a JOKE. You get NOTHING playing fair and working hard. It practically ENCOURAGES you to exploit it to your advantage.

All of those are not true.
- broken decay system
- broken league placement
- players tanking placement games to shoot up the leaderboard
- broken matchmaking and rating system
Decay works as intended, you don’t play enough ypu get lower spot on the leaderboard.
League placement works based of MMR and MMR works just fine, as it have been, not only in this game, but also in others that use glicko.
Tanking plaement doesn’t help you shoot the leaderboard, you lose, you have to play more to get up again and more you have to play, less your rating adjusts.
From all this anyone can easily kitten that you clearly don’t understand anything and I can tell you, you being in bronze is only your fault, accept it. PvP in gw2 is a joke because of people like you. The rest is true though.

MY fault?! Gee where I have heard THAT one before? -snicker-
PvP is a joke because of people like me?! Mmmm I’m sure it’s not because of the list above is it!

I have played this thing for FOUR years, I don’t need to be lectured to “get good”. I don’t need the system to tell me how good I am, I know my own skill. Though I’m not great or legendary, I know what I’m doing.

Duo to solo is night an day. I try to get someone to duo i recognize he knows what to do and fights for the victory and alone this gives me 70% win rate. Solo is like a coin flip what you get and results just slighly over 50%.
This means after going 6:4 being placed low silver i can estimate about 500 matches to grind up to platin. This is ridicoulus and while i know i am not one of the best i have over thousand matches within the last year. The average skill k*tten i am nearly stuck feels way below me. Shure there are good ones but ….

I think that the level of mmr of the players of a game are too unequal, I have proof of having played games against people with 1990+ mmr and I was only 1690.
I lost games in which I lost 20 points and won several in which I only received 4/5/6 points queuing just me … it is unacceptable to have to win 4 games to recover the loss of only 1 because people like it Do your friend’s low level carry.

Chungo.3169:

I think that the level of mmr of the players of a game are too unequal, I have proof of having played games against people with 1990+ mmr and I was only 1690.
I lost games in which I lost 20 points and won several in which I only received 4/5/6 points queuing just me … it is unacceptable to have to win 4 games to recover the loss of only 1 because people like it Do your friend’s low level carry.

I do wonder why other players’ ratings are not shown to us in matches. We have the badge! There’s truly no valid reason not to do so. Nobody is hurt by this, unless….

….heh I’ll stop here.

Annabel.5127:

Skittledness.5106:

Queuing once every 2 days on alt account is also a joke.
A funny joke most people are doing to avoid decay
Hopefully anet can fix their system as it is easily exploitable by smurfing and other ways

Also, the season ends in February, and there is a maximum MMR of 2325. How does getting 2088 by 10-0ing placement makes the god of pvp title awarded at the end of the season a joke? . Players who achieve high rating by 10-0ing placements by any means respectable or not still must queue in order to continue to compete, all it proves is that you can sit at #1 on the leaderboards for a few days early in the season.
and TBH I don’t know how a system could be implemented to prevent people from throwing games just to help their friends get good rating, or to otherwise sabotage somebody else.
Is it really too much to ask for people to not ruin the fun for those who are actually trying to enjoy season 5?

This was going to happen, with a new season with a completely new set up because it brings a new set of problems.

For instance before the season started 2 big things that needed addressed was Duo queing and match making. You yourself as well as other top 10 players have stated the advantage of duo queing and its importance. Match making was not addressed and when you have hard counters. You cant have 2-3 thieves on 1 side with a mesmer vs 2-3dhs and a ele. This is a match making issue, dont ask the players to fix it because we all know they wont.

Also lets address the big cat here that this thread is for. The first 10 placement matches, they make no sense. I went 7-3 and got placed in the top 250. I have a friend who went 8-2 and and was under 1500. That person checks the leader board and sees top 5 players going 8-2 and 7-3 and just sit backs and wonders.

The leader board needs to be fair as well. So you have alt accounts running rapid which many people dont like. As well as players with huge win ratings who will never sniff the top 250.

That friend of mine went off on a vacation but they are sitting at 18-8 or 20-8 now. That is a 70% win rate or potentially higher and is still under a 1500 rating.

If your gonna have these accounts that you also called wak go 10-0 and claim the 1-2 spot on the leader board. You also have to address the issues in the mid and low level areas. There are many threads that are just cry threads and a few simply asking questions about the set up and Match Making. None of those questions have not been answered.

S5 is way better then season 1-4 but it is just as bad when it comes to the many problems. Anet is calling this S5 and the frustration comes from another system that potentially cheats players of titles/AP/recognition that many wanted from S1 but here we are again except with different issues.

Still waiting for Anet to answer how end of season placement sniping will be handled.

kdaddy.5431:

Annabel.5127:

Skittledness.5106:

Queuing once every 2 days on alt account is also a joke.
A funny joke most people are doing to avoid decay
Hopefully anet can fix their system as it is easily exploitable by smurfing and other ways

Also, the season ends in February, and there is a maximum MMR of 2325. How does getting 2088 by 10-0ing placement makes the god of pvp title awarded at the end of the season a joke? . Players who achieve high rating by 10-0ing placements by any means respectable or not still must queue in order to continue to compete, all it proves is that you can sit at #1 on the leaderboards for a few days early in the season.
and TBH I don’t know how a system could be implemented to prevent people from throwing games just to help their friends get good rating, or to otherwise sabotage somebody else.
Is it really too much to ask for people to not ruin the fun for those who are actually trying to enjoy season 5?

This was going to happen, with a new season with a completely new set up because it brings a new set of problems.

For instance before the season started 2 big things that needed addressed was Duo queing and match making. You yourself as well as other top 10 players have stated the advantage of duo queing and its importance. Match making was not addressed and when you have hard counters. You cant have 2-3 thieves on 1 side with a mesmer vs 2-3dhs and a ele. This is a match making issue, dont ask the players to fix it because we all know they wont.

Also lets address the big cat here that this thread is for. The first 10 placement matches, they make no sense. I went 7-3 and got placed in the top 250. I have a friend who went 8-2 and and was under 1500. That person checks the leader board and sees top 5 players going 8-2 and 7-3 and just sit backs and wonders.

The leader board needs to be fair as well. So you have alt accounts running rapid which many people dont like. As well as players with huge win ratings who will never sniff the top 250.

That friend of mine went off on a vacation but they are sitting at 18-8 or 20-8 now. That is a 70% win rate or potentially higher and is still under a 1500 rating.

If your gonna have these accounts that you also called wak go 10-0 and claim the 1-2 spot on the leader board. You also have to address the issues in the mid and low level areas. There are many threads that are just cry threads and a few simply asking questions about the set up and Match Making. None of those questions have not been answered.

S5 is way better then season 1-4 but it is just as bad when it comes to the many problems. Anet is calling this S5 and the frustration comes from another system that potentially cheats players of titles/AP/recognition that many wanted from S1 but here we are again except with different issues.

Class stacking wouldnt be a issue if people got gud and learned to play more than their favourite class.

The god of pvp and the other titles should have been players that have played at least 60 games or a game everyday this season. The idea that some couple of players can queue up against high rank opponents and win or pay then off enough to go 10-0 is unsettling. The first 10 matches should not be able to decides if you can get the highest this season. Guess player will associate the top titles with someone that is good, lucky or has a lot of gold to burn.

Anet screwed up spvp again, what a shock. I’d like to see if some of the people who claim they carry their teams could actually do that.

Dragon Masher.5749:

kdaddy.5431:

Annabel.5127:

Skittledness.5106:

Queuing once every 2 days on alt account is also a joke.
A funny joke most people are doing to avoid decay
Hopefully anet can fix their system as it is easily exploitable by smurfing and other ways

Also, the season ends in February, and there is a maximum MMR of 2325. How does getting 2088 by 10-0ing placement makes the god of pvp title awarded at the end of the season a joke? . Players who achieve high rating by 10-0ing placements by any means respectable or not still must queue in order to continue to compete, all it proves is that you can sit at #1 on the leaderboards for a few days early in the season.
and TBH I don’t know how a system could be implemented to prevent people from throwing games just to help their friends get good rating, or to otherwise sabotage somebody else.
Is it really too much to ask for people to not ruin the fun for those who are actually trying to enjoy season 5?

This was going to happen, with a new season with a completely new set up because it brings a new set of problems.

For instance before the season started 2 big things that needed addressed was Duo queing and match making. You yourself as well as other top 10 players have stated the advantage of duo queing and its importance. Match making was not addressed and when you have hard counters. You cant have 2-3 thieves on 1 side with a mesmer vs 2-3dhs and a ele. This is a match making issue, dont ask the players to fix it because we all know they wont.

Also lets address the big cat here that this thread is for. The first 10 placement matches, they make no sense. I went 7-3 and got placed in the top 250. I have a friend who went 8-2 and and was under 1500. That person checks the leader board and sees top 5 players going 8-2 and 7-3 and just sit backs and wonders.

The leader board needs to be fair as well. So you have alt accounts running rapid which many people dont like. As well as players with huge win ratings who will never sniff the top 250.

That friend of mine went off on a vacation but they are sitting at 18-8 or 20-8 now. That is a 70% win rate or potentially higher and is still under a 1500 rating.

If your gonna have these accounts that you also called wak go 10-0 and claim the 1-2 spot on the leader board. You also have to address the issues in the mid and low level areas. There are many threads that are just cry threads and a few simply asking questions about the set up and Match Making. None of those questions have not been answered.

S5 is way better then season 1-4 but it is just as bad when it comes to the many problems. Anet is calling this S5 and the frustration comes from another system that potentially cheats players of titles/AP/recognition that many wanted from S1 but here we are again except with different issues.

Class stacking wouldnt be a issue if people got gud and learned to play more than their favourite class.

Im conflicted about this.

If you are the best thief in the game you should be able to play thief exclusively and have success. If you are the best ele in the game same etc etc etc.

Classes have been given roles in the rock paper scissors HOT meta.

I will once again blame Anet. I can play warrior and ele pretty well and if you ask me to play another class my skill drops down pretty good. If Anet puts the 3 thieves on my team or the 2 thieves and 2 mesmers. We are going to lose especially if they main these classes.

Like in the core GW2 this was never a problem. Anet needed to change the Match making system. You can blame the players but unfortunately i cant see it that way.

If Anet wanted to be taken seriously for PvP they needed to address the match making, build diversity and there leader boards. I posted many threads about how poor the Guild Challenger leader boards were.

Once again Anet went with a PvE friendly system. Nothing better then 2 players who go 11-0 on alt accounts paying people off and playing the least amount of game possible. Thats not of them for taking advantage of the system but once again a poor system implemented by Anet.

Drakz.7051:

Anet screwed up spvp again, what a shock. I’d like to see if some of the people who claim they carry their teams could actually do that.

Ha! No chance!

Remove duoq entirely or add a minimum game requirement to place on leaderboard something like 50 games

Rolisteel.1375:

Who cares about this inaccurate leaderboards all is about 2 good players farming wins in a league with a lot of full solo players that cant go much higher than like 1600-1800 full solo because of all duo q’rs and system abuser “pros”. and they are put together in the same leaderboard which is a big mistake to rate every full solo player below duo farmers.
They abuse system,queue dodge, play at 4am, abuse in game bugs, learn to pay.

I can’t take this leaderboard and competitive part of this game serious. Everyone just become crazy and do everything possible to be on top leaderboard ( not by skill and actually playing the game. )

europe top players at 27-12-2006 13:00
win loss
1 93 36
2 117 31
3 140 31
4 109 23
5 36 13
6 91 30
7 22 6
8 70 26

this exorbitant win loss ratio only can mean 2 things they play in GOD mode 8abusing system)or simply system not make top player play versus top players or worse they put together in same team versus not so top players

How to get God of pvp: queue on alt account duo’d with someone high mmr, win every game during placement matches on the last day before season ends, congrats you’re the #1 best pvper.

I still think ANET should make It that Top 250 ranking requires a minimum of 50 matches played. Heck for God of PvP Status (or Top 10) it should be minimum 100 matches played. If you really are deserving of the title you should be able to hold the top spot with 100 matches played.

Skittledness.5106:

Remove duoq entirely or add a minimum game requirement to place on leaderboard something like 50 games

Minimum amount of games,

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Leaderboards-30/first#post6446470

Over time, the highest rating in the game climbs. Rating is siphoned off from the weaker players, but that doesn’t happen instantly. The placement matches boost doesn’t keep up with that. As the season progresses, this will get harder and harder to do. Considering that you two needed to cheat to do this NOW, I don’t think it’s the issue you’re making it out to be. And in response to Katsumi, the solution is to ban people who do this. It’s blatant match manipulation, and chat logs would show this.

DuoQ is legit match manipulation

Wow, and there I was, naive me, thinking that there was fair play in GW2 PvP. How stupid of me.

Ashantara.8731:

Wow, and there I was, naive me, thinking that there was fair play in GW2 PvP. How stupid of me.

I woke up as well. PvP is a sorry mess.