Guild Wars 2

If you want people to PvP, all you gotta do is make it so if your a rank 50 in PvP, all your PvE toons will be at least rank 50 or higher.

Therefore incentivizing people to get to rank 80 PvP, so all there toons are automatically highest level, and by the time you get to rank 80 in PvP you pretty much can watch a twitch video of WTS and know whats going on and have some sense of PvP, unlike right now a lot of people don’t even bother PvP.

This game has a bunch of lvl 80 people in low level zones, so it wont change anything in that type of nature, the only thing it would do is incentivize people to play PvP other than getting loot rewards.

Why? I’ve leveled five characters (five!) from 0 to 80 only with tomes of knowledge (and some scroll of Experience)!
I don’t think your proposal is necessary, it’s rather redundant, actually.

I don’t understand the OP, someone expain

^ I think OP is asking that when you roll a new toon, it should start at the level of your pvp rank, all the way up to dragons rolling a new level 80 toon as a way to get people to pvp more.

But leveling a toon to 80 is much faster than getting to rank 80 in pvp, so it’s sort of a moot suggestion IMO.

So that means, I can get a free level 80 when I am rank 80?

Yes please.

Frenk.5917:

Why? I’ve leveled five characters (five!) from 0 to 80 only with tomes of knowledge (and some scroll of Experience)!
I don’t think your proposal is necessary, it’s rather redundant, actually.

Yeah I actually forgot to use an Experience Scroll and used all 80 Tomes of Knowledge on one of my insta-80s.

The existing Tomes system is actually rather a lot better than rank-tied levels would be – for a start, your suggestion really would encourage people to farm up to r80 over a few months and then never look at PvP again, for a start.

Also um… y’know Black Lion Key farming?
- make new character
- do l10 personal story
- get black lion key, bank it, delete character
- do it again and again and again

This was one reason for the new ‘batches of 10 levels’ personal story nonsense – it’s probably the main reason the lowest-level story now starts at l10, since it takes time to get to l10 (or significant use of limited resources like Experience Scrolls or Tomes).

Letting people insta-80 would undo all of this – and actually make keyfarming a good deal faster than before, since folks could equip a full set of ascended zerk gear every time, as well as invest in l80 dps trait lines (or useful minor traits in other lines), and pop food and utility consumables.

….yeah.

Oh, I never thought of the black lion keys.
They should just remove those keys from personal story than.

See that’s what this game issue is, PvP conflicts with PvE.

In all seriousness, if you made it so if you get to get to rank 80 pvp, that all your pve toons would become level 80, than this entire game would be familiar with PvP, but fact is a majority of this game doesn’t even look at PvP or even attempt to familiarize themselves with it.

GW2 has a good size population of players compared to other games out there, but when its goal is to become esports, and only 1% of that population even watch the major finals, than you know something is a little fishy.

You hear people complain about solo que playing the same people over and over again. The game population is massive, yet the population of this particular part of the game is so tiny compared to the whole that we are seeing the same people over again.

I see having rank influencing your minimal level a good thing because it will get people to play, and it does take a long time to get to max rank in pvp, although it may seem short. Having devoted all that time in PvP its hard to not become familiar with what’s going on.

Obviously the reward tracks didn’t bring people, and I’m sure this type of system will, because some people just get tired of having to relevel all way to 80. Also, the content in this game is designed that 80s go back to level 1 zones for map completition, so it will not impact zones appearing empty because majority is higher than level 1. Also, in all MMO’s after a certain age, low level zones just feel empty because its not attracting new players and there’s better ways to level up than doing queensdale quests. If this game is really worried about keeping low level zones full of life they doing it wrong.
Rather than doing the EotM train, people will be playing PvP instead. After all that time in PvP, if they leave its because it sucks, they AT LEAST tried it for a good amount of time, rather than join hotjoin get roflstomped in 3 games due to stacking teams and never return.

But yeah, get rid of black lion key from story, its not even good idea because people shouldn’t be farming like that anyways, they should add it in fotm instead, give people more reason to do fotm because that’s dying too. Also, add it in PvP boxes, because I’m sure PvP’ers want chance at styling kits.

What, not introduce relatively new players to this RNG gemstore item that can give shiny loot? Yeah this is *not* going to happen.

Just... why are you not okay with the current Tomes of Knowledge? Unless you’re regularly deleting your level 80 characters, you should be earning loads of Tomes if you regularly PvP.

Your idea really does encourage people to PvP for a short period to get this significant account buff, and then never look in again. We already have Tomes, you can’t use them regularly if you don’t PvP regularly, and it wouldn’t require a rework of the entire economy.

I would much prefer to have all skills and traits unlocked without needing to pay for them.

Umm no although I love pve and love doing every single dungeon in speedy manner, PvP and pve should be totally separate. Sometimes I wish I could just pay for rank 80 in pvp and get my finishers, but that would actually ruin the integrity and fun out for me, and ranks would get even more ludicrous.

If people play to rank 80, that’s like 3 months worth, and if they stop playing afterwards, its only because this game has terrible PvP and not worth playing.

If this game has terrible PvP, it should stop focusing on eSports and focus on making its PvP better than focus on eSports.

If this game problem is that nobody wants to try PvP, than my incentive still stands better than any other thing they are doing.

uberkingkong.8041:

If people play to rank 80, that’s like 3 months worth, and if they stop playing afterwards, its only because this game has terrible PvP and not worth playing.

If this game has terrible PvP, it should stop focusing on eSports and focus on making its PvP better than focus on eSports.

If this game problem is that nobody wants to try PvP, than my incentive still stands better than any other thing they are doing.

3 months? Maybe if you play 8 hours a day in team queue. Getting to 80 takes longer than that for more regular players.

Think of it like this, 60 mins * 24 hours is how long a day is (1440).
If you have average games taking 20 mins of your time you have 72 games a day.
Now if you consider each rank to be 20000 rank points required (its less than 20000 from 1-39) and multiply that by 80, which will give you 1600000 points you will need.
Next all things being equal in a solo que game you win 50% of the time, so 1000*72/2 which gives you 36000 points if you play all day.
Now do 1600000/36000 and that gives you 44 and a half days and you’ll be a rank 80.

So if you go no sleep for 44 and a half days youll be a rank 80.
Now if you just plainly wanted to prove someone how fast it is to get to rank 80, legitly, you could go 6 hours sleep a day, so rest of day (18 hours) devoted to grinding out to rank 80. It would take you just under 2 months to get to rank 80 that way.
And if you are like a bunch of people I know, that aren’t super dedicated but, they live off there mom and do nothing but play GW2 but not hardcorely as 18 hours, but as instead 12 hours a day. It would take 88.9 days to make it to rank 80 if you devout 12 hours of your day to GW2 PvP.

Remember, that’s if ALL ranks take 20,000 rank points to get too, I don’t feel like doing math for ranks 1-39, so obviously it will look a lot faster if you take the easy ranks 1-39 into consideration.
ALSO, the formula I’m going off of, doesn’t give you any points if you lost, which when you lose you still get points, so you rank up even faster than the number which I’m giving you.

Also, just to keep in mind. Its been said for WvW, it takes 10 years to get titles such as Yakslapper, but for PvP it takes 3 months if your devoted to it, to beat pvp and consider yourself at end game pvp since your rank 80 and theres nothing left of it, which many of you assume that PvE’ers will go right back into PvE after there 3 months worth of PvP is done with because there just isn’t anything left in PvP after rank 80, which all of you seem to say.

It used to be harder than it is now to get rank points too, because you’d never get 1000 rank points in a game the old way. Used to take much more than measly 20,000 to rank up too.

Also if guilds decide to form PvP teams, and do team que, I’m sure that they would get to rank 80 even FASTER. Maybe if you lose team que games and collect 500 points and average 10 mins of time (wait and completion of game) heck, that’d equal to the solo que way of 50% wins.

“hey guys, just stomp us quick, we just ranking up”