Guild Wars 2

I have Created a List of things that need looking into.

• There are Players currently in Ranked and Unranked Pvp that the second they Score a point they run to the enemy base and die as many times as possible, Or jump off a cliff and die until they have given the enemy team enough points to win leaving their own team to fight a 4v5 with him feeding the enemies. They even state that they are trying to farm rank points and rewards and this is a fast way for them to do it. This directly Breaks The Rules of Conduct of GW2

We need a system or option to report players for Feeding as to Quickly stop this from happening in the near future given we have no option at all to report or stop this.

Rule 22 States- While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

• There are players with their own rooms (Custom Arenas) that kick anyone and everyone that joins except one other person that agreed to farm with, so that its a forced 1v1 and because of this they can still gain pvp ranks. Doing this they can Manipulate the match so it only lasts for example 3 minutes and gain 500 rank points. There are players basically gaining 30k rank points per hour compared to the regular players 2.5k per hour.

And yes even if the math is off the point still stands. If you can manipulate a Match and gain from it the max amount every single time that is in fact match manipulation and breaks Rule 22 in the code of conduct.

Long story short we need a quick and efficient way to individually report players that are Breaking this very specific rule in the code of conduct.

Rule 22 States- While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

• A long time going issue are PvP Runners. If you don’t know a “PvP Runner” is an individual that avoids the Dishonorable Debuff for AFKing by running around the map or dancing around inside of the Home Base. This usually occurs the second they are “Done” with the match or feel like the match is a lost cause within the first 30 seconds of the match. This results in a 4v5 and almost no chance of a comeback. Given Dishonorable cannot accurately detect this I feel we need an option in the report menu to report actions like this so these players can start avoiding this kind of negative behavior such as this in order to further clean and help the legitimate pvp players experience and to cut down on unfair matches.

Rule 22 States- While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

Do you mean custom aka private arenas?

I was under the assumption that you could only earn x amount of points daily when using hotjoin or custom arenas. But it wouldnt surprise me that i was wrong I guess..

Yes im talking about custom arenas. if you put it as at least 6v6 and no password its not locked to other players. but you can kick as many as you want so that it can just be you and another person.

Also even if they can only get an XXX amount in a day, it could take a normal player hours but it takes them basically seconds. AND even then its still match manipulation.

If the match lasts less than 1 minute then they’re almost winning no rank points.

Lord of Madness.2603:

Doing this they can Manipulate the match so it only lasts 1 minute and gain 500 rank points.

If the game lasts 1 minute you get less than 100 rank points, it’s been like that for like 2 years now…

Ok another way to explain it, they can make the match last however long they want, they can wait until the moment in which a threshold is met and one of the individual can get the full 500 for winning every time.

Lord of Madness.2603:

Ok another way to explain it, they can make the match last however long they want, they can wait until the moment in which a threshold is met and one of the individual can get the full 500 for winning every time.

And where’s the issue here? You get 500 from losing a match in unranked arena, even if you only win 10% of games, you still get more rank points from playing unranked than you do by manipulating custom arenas.

Custom arenas is not the way to quickly get rank points no matter how hard you try.

In custom arenas, the game starts as soon as is 1v1 as far as I know, so why would they make teams and then kick people? I don’t think this is the best way to make rank points, it would be much faster in ranked /unranked

-Random Guy if you lose 6 unranked arenas in a row 10 minutes per match then you get 3k Rank Points in one hour.
-If you win 20 practice matches in a custom arena with rank point earning while kicking other players so its a forced 1v1, 3 minutes per match for an hour you earn 10k rank points.
-10K is over three times more than 3K in the same amount of time.
- So in short yes Elia it seems at first a bad way at doing things but its actually an unreasonably fast way to gain rank points to the point of being an exploit.

even if you get 500 every win it’s still better to just queue for arenas.

Hotjoins give rewards but it’s just super casual with a low cap on points.

If someone went to hotjoins for an hour and was always on the winning team, hed make just as much as anyone using such a boring system to farm where the only material rewards have a daily cap.

Even if they are boosting their ranks at an abnormal rate once they hit 80 they get virtually nothing for their farm at the daily cap, and if they do get to 80 they get dragon finisher, so what? There are tons of terrible dragon ranks already, and although currently it shows a relative amount of experience vs other players in a year there will be such a diverse pool of skill levels for rank 80 players.

Yes you can manipulate matches in hotjoins and custom arenas but it ultimately doesn’t matter. and I doubt A-net including very many people care. It was designed in such a way that it wouldn’t be a big deal even if people did farm it.

I’d be more up in arms about being unjustly kicked, KoS for life.

I’m not arguing which is a better method. I’m arguing that its match manipulation which violates Rule 22 in the Code of Conduct. This also often is a strategy used for accounts that will be sold with unreasonably high pvp ranks gained at an almost unnatural speed. Botters also seem to populate these kinds of arenas.

Rule 22 States- While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

This is why we need a report option for this to report individual players doing this.

Impossible, no one is this bored. They probly kicked you for other reasons.

Elia- to make a Long story short it took me Months to get dragon rank. This also goes for a very large amount of other people. But now groups of people are achieving it in weeks and getting rewards in their reward tracks (which are limited to a point) which makes this extremely unfair to players actually playing matches and working for what they want.

Kodesh- Its not that these players are bored. Its that they want the rank points/achievements/rewards without doing any of the work. also on that note 16 Players in my Bot Hunters Group were all kicked in 3-5 seconds of joining the arena at different times of the day. People are being kicked so that it can be a forced 1v1

You got it wrong about kicking you so they can force 1v1, you can 1v1 anyway in the custom arenas, just by two people entering and choose different teams. Also I have seen arenas that are for 1v1 so I presume the owner can choose the party size as 1v1. At the end of the day why you try to enter a private arena? I can understand you are frustrated by other people farming the ranks but I think you have your numbers wrong, I think if you actually try it you will see that in reality is so much faster/fun when play in unranked/ranked. Anyway, we obviously have different views, when I play pvp I don’t see the rank or the finisher because it don’t matter to me

First, your math is way off. Unranked would be faster. Secondly, it doesn’t matter. They OWN the arena, paid for it, and can do whatever they want with it. Those rules are in place for ranked/ unranked arenas. Not sure why they don’t just put a password on the arena and then they don’t have to worry about people coming in they don’t want.

GhOst.4019:

First, your math is way off. Unranked would be faster. Secondly, it doesn’t matter. They OWN the arena, paid for it, and can do whatever they want with it. Those rules are in place for ranked/ unranked arenas. Not sure why they don’t just put a password on the arena and then they don’t have to worry about people coming in they don’t want.

I think putting a password up will turn off progression and that might matter to them.

GhOst.4019:

First, your math is way off. Unranked would be faster. Secondly, it doesn’t matter. They OWN the arena, paid for it, and can do whatever they want with it. Those rules are in place for ranked/ unranked arenas. Not sure why they don’t just put a password on the arena and then they don’t have to worry about people coming in they don’t want.

If they locked their arena they would no longer gain rank points which defeats the purpose of what they are doing. also ANET OWNS the arena. Also Rule 22 states ANY Matchmaking by which applies to custom arenas in which you can gain rank points.

Ok, so that’s why they don’t* have passwords on it. Either way it doesn’t make the rank points faster. Secondly these arenas have been around forever. If Anet cared about the outcome of the matches in hotjoin, it would have been fixed long time ago. There are also rules that say players can not be insulting to others. I don’t see them banning 80% of their player base anytime soon either. Everyone has said something insulting at one point or another. On the other hand, they do take racial (ect ect) things very seriously.

Why are you so mad about some patchwork knapsacks with green armor inside them? You want blue weird bird finisher?

robertul.3679:

Why are you so mad about some patchwork knapsacks with green armor inside them? You want blue weird bird finisher?

I am angry that they are free to break the Code of Conduct without any form of punishment by exploiting their arenas. And even if their arena is taken down they can just move onto another one without punishment.

Lord of Madness.2603:

robertul.3679:

Why are you so mad about some patchwork knapsacks with green armor inside them? You want blue weird bird finisher?

I am angry that they are free to break the Code of Conduct without any form of punishment by exploiting their arenas. And even if their arena is taken down they can just move onto another one without punishment.

you need to give a thought to the possibility that you understand wrong the code of conduct which as far as i understand it refers to ranked /unranked arenas. If the game gives them the right to create their own arenas and allows them to get points from it , then they just using what the game offers they don’t exploit . Also i think you overestimate the importance of rank farming , so far is only you that you are so upset about it (in this topic here)

Lord of Madness.2603:

-Random Guy if you lose 6 unranked arenas in a row 10 minutes per match then you get 3k Rank Points in one hour.
-If you win 20 practice matches in a custom arena with rank point earning while kicking other players so its a forced 1v1, 3 minutes per match for an hour you earn 10k rank points.
-10K is over three times more than 3K in the same amount of time.
- So in short yes Elia it seems at first a bad way at doing things but its actually an unreasonably fast way to gain rank points to the point of being an exploit.

There’s obviously a massive misconception here, go win a custom arena match within 3 minutes and screenshot yourself getting 500 rank points from it. You won’t get anywhere near 500.

Also, nobody is going to lose every single unranked arena game on average. Even if you are the worst player in the game, there will be several matches per day where your team is better than the other team and able to win regardless of your own contribution. Assuming that you are not the worst player in the game, you should be able to win at least 1-2 games every 6 games on average, most likely more.

Now lets combine this with the fact the fact that you stop gaining rank from custom arena after a certain points, that makes this even less of an issue.

Elia/Random Guy- Its still considered match manipulation because you can gain from it. if you can gain in any way shape or form and you can fix it to where you get the max rewards every time its considered manipulation which breaks rule 22.

I have edited the first post to better explain.

Technically, it IS match manipulation, but I don’t think it’s as big an issue as you’re making it out to be.

Firstly, Hotjoin rewards are capped at 2 tiers a day. So no matter how efficient their custom arena farming is, it won’t be as fast as somebody who grinds out Unranked/Ranked all day. I think (not 100% certain) that you can still gain rank points even after the 2-tier cap, but any veteran PvP’er knows that rank is merely a measure of how much PvP you’ve played, not an indicator of actual skill. The world’s WORST player, who does nothing but spam autoattack and has a record of 0 wins and infinity losses, will eventually get to Dragon rank if they keep at it long enough.

Secondly, the players paid for their own custom arena, so they’re entitled to do whatever they want in it (as long as it doesn’t involve outright hacks or exploits). Technically, players running duel servers, guild training servers etc. are all also in breach of not “playing PvP the way it was intended”, but you’d see a massive outcry if ANet cracked down on these.

Zaxares.5419:

Technically, it IS match manipulation, but I don’t think it’s as big an issue as you’re making it out to be.

Firstly, Hotjoin rewards are capped at 2 tiers a day. So no matter how efficient their custom arena farming is, it won’t be as fast as somebody who grinds out Unranked/Ranked all day. I think (not 100% certain) that you can still gain rank points even after the 2-tier cap, but any veteran PvP’er knows that rank is merely a measure of how much PvP you’ve played, not an indicator of actual skill. The world’s WORST player, who does nothing but spam autoattack and has a record of 0 wins and infinity losses, will eventually get to Dragon rank if they keep at it long enough.

Secondly, the players paid for their own custom arena, so they’re entitled to do whatever they want in it (as long as it doesn’t involve outright hacks or exploits). Technically, players running duel servers, guild training servers etc. are all also in breach of not “playing PvP the way it was intended”, but you’d see a massive outcry if ANet cracked down on these.

Well on that note Dueling Servers/Arenas have no winners or losers and they do not receive rewards nor rank points. Therefore are not manipulating the outcome of matches to their advantage or to gain an unfair advantage of some kind and is in accordance to the Code of Conduct.

Really? Because every single Dueling server that I’ve popped my head into usually will have a spectator cap a point so that people will get rewards at the end. Or one side just finishes off their downed foe just before the timer is over so they have 5 points and get the victory.

Does this count towards the pvp titles? E.g 150 wins as Guardian?

Because I admire those people with pvp titles and to think if people can simply map manipulation very quickly and win falsely to get it then that’s just pathetic.

The titles (e.g. Champion Paragon) are only acquired from playing Unranked/Ranked, which can’t be “fixed”.

Then again, it could also mean that said Champion Paragon has simply played lots of games and was lucky enough to get into 200 Unranked matches where his team was good enough to carry him.

End of the day, just watch the player in question and see if they’re actually any good. Titles and ranks are meaningless.

Zaxares.5419:

The titles (e.g. Champion Paragon) are only acquired from playing Unranked/Ranked, which can’t be “fixed”.

Then again, it could also mean that said Champion Paragon has simply played lots of games and was lucky enough to get into 200 Unranked matches where his team was good enough to carry him.

End of the day, just watch the player in question and see if they’re actually any good. Titles and ranks are meaningless.

Okay, thank you for clearing that up. And yes I see how that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re skill levels are good just because of the title, now. I so often see people with ‘champion xxxx’ title and immediately presume they’re ‘good’ at it. Haha.

Please remember that this post is for discussing Players Exploiting their Arena Privileges. And yes I agree with the Titles and the skill of players.

There is nothing to exploit.
Owner of that Arena kicks you out, because he doesn’t want you there.
Problem?
Purchase your own Custom arena.

Tao I feel like you have not read any of the previous posts. If someone is exploiting and they kick me and 16 other people from their arena within seconds of joining its pretty suspicious. also i dont understand the part where you say to make my own arena. Are you suggesting that because i got kicked from an exploiters arena that I make one and that i also exploit because thats the right action to do in this situation?

Lord of Madness.2603:

Tao I feel like you have not read any of the previous posts. If someone is exploiting and they kick me and 16 other people from their arena within seconds of joining its pretty suspicious. also i dont understand the part where you say to make my own arena. Are you suggesting that because i got kicked from an exploiters arena that I make one and that i also exploit because thats the right action to do in this situation?

Point is: it’s not worthy to exploit anything in customs. It’s waste of time.

I have made a massive edited to the OP (Original Post) to explain a lot of other forms of match manipulation.

I understand the frustration at the thought of people cheating to get ahead. It’s like deflating your football and still making it to the superbowl! :-)

In all seriousness, the joke is on them. It is a slow, boring way to gain rank. In the end, they’ll be a horrible dueler with a nice finisher they’ll rarely get to use. Even relatively bad players will have a 30-40% win ratio in unranked arena.

Finally, I truly believe ANet left this loophole specifically as a catch-all for the farmers and exploiters. Without it, they would be trying to manipulate ranked and unranked arena, which would annoy everyone who enjoys the thrill of PvP. They allowed the exploiters just enough rank to make it more worthwhile than trying to manipulate ranked and unranked. I understand the frustration, just ignore them…

I would much rather have a problem solved than ignore it I mean ya its a pretty fast method and then you don’t feel you have to worry about it but in the end this is about the fact that it states specifically in the rules they cant do things like this . :P

Whats next? Letting people bot because we can just ignore the items they are selling? or say that they would do that anyway in their own time? Ya i know these examples are a bit silly BUT to an extent they help to get the point across :P

Lord of Madness.2603:

Tao I feel like you have not read any of the previous posts. If someone is exploiting and they kick me and 16 other people from their arena within seconds of joining its pretty suspicious. also i dont understand the part where you say to make my own arena. Are you suggesting that because i got kicked from an exploiters arena that I make one and that i also exploit because thats the right action to do in this situation?

It’s not a rocket science that if you spot someone cheating or exploiting game mechanics, you’re supposed to notify Support by sending them a ticket with as much details as possible, so they can punish that person and maybe forward issue to be fixed.

What I don’t understand is you in every single post of yours, mentioning that you were kicked out from arena.
The only one who can kick you out is owner and he doesn’t have to explain to anyone why he did that – he paid for it, he does what he want.

So I suggested to you, that if you have a problem of being kicked out, then simply create your own arena and move on.

And if you believe that they’re exploiting, then report them like I did mention in first part of my post.

Tao I only mention i was kicked when it is relevant. I have no problem being banned from private arenas, but i do have a problem with people doing it because they want to break code of conduct. BUT Given most people on the forums seem to only understand the direct approach it seems im going to have to use a strategy I hoped not to. So here is the absolute most direct answer all phrase i can give you.

They are Breaking Code of Conduct Rule 22 Which is a bannable offense. You and I repeat are not allowed to break the rules of this game as stated in the code of conduct. If you do break those rules there should be ways to report via the In game report system. If you are responding to this post in any way respond to this bolded message.

Please also take note That I again state that I do not care in any way that two people that i don’t know and still don’t know banned me from a “Private Arena” that i entered to see if people are exploiting. I do care that they were in fact Exploiting and i want a way to report it via the in game report system. The reason your strategy to “send an email to support” will not potentially work is because i was not in long enough to write down ether of their names. But if i did have the ability to right click and report it would have been a fast process and an completed report. Please read this Carefully.

You do realize that they are very unlike to do anything about what goes on in what is basically the practice (old name hot join) area of the mode. The fact that players can just jump back in to spectator at force an auto balance basically ‘match fixing’. As you can not be kicked out of an unranked or ranked match those are basically the only areas of the game that might enforce the policy, Frankly if it bothers you that much then maybe you should avoid the practice mode.

But really what do you expect they don’t even punish use of exploits in the tournaments are you really expecting them to ban someone that was willing to pay for access to the arena?

No matter how unlikely we feel they are to change anything even the devs and mods cannot deny that their rules are being broken and are in need of some form of fixing or update.