Guild Wars 2

I remember obtaining a Champ Hunter title almost 3 years ago and only got like 70k rank points from it (if even). After 3 years, I returned to complete my Champ Illusionist (only needed 20 wins) and found that I got over 40k rank points from these wins.

Now, if my calculations are correct, you get around 150x(~1700 pts/win) = 255,000 rank points for one Champ title from wins only This isn’t even counting the losses you might incur. Assuming 50% win/loss, you get an additional 150x(~700 pts/loss) = 105,000 rank points from losses

Thats a total of 255,000+105,000 = 360,000 rank points per champ title.

UPDATE

I have over 600 wins (in almost 1100 total matches) on my acct, most of which were played in arenas. However, I only have ~290k rank points despite having 2 champ titles and an aggregate total of a third.

ANET : Compensation for legacy players would be appreciated. I should be R80 with this PvP rewards system. People with less time spent and less wins are already R80.

Yes, they got a lot easier. r80 is nothing special anymore

The only time consuming thing is getting 5k/10k wins now

By rank points… are you referring to the rank level tied to the finishers (bunny→dragon)? In short, yes. They have been made much easier, sometime two or so years ago. I don’t have the detailed numbers, but they normalized the requirements so that anyone who pvp’s regularly is a dragon now, as opposed to …. pvping for 10 years and finally getting dragon. Ranked and Unranked matches both contribute to the champion title.

Ranked Level does not matter in pvp at all.

Its amazing since I have 2 Champ Titles and and halfway there on a couple of other classes (War and Ele) and have a measly 290k rank points.

I should already be R80 if I had these rates when I played back in the day.

Such a disappointment.

alemfi.5107:

By rank points… are you referring to the rank level tied to the finishers (bunny->dragon)? In short, yes. They have been made much easier, sometime two or so years ago. I don’t have the detailed numbers, but they normalized the requirements so that anyone who pvp’s regularly is a dragon now, as opposed to …. pvping for 10 years and finally getting dragon. Ranked and Unranked matches both contribute to the champion title.

Ranked Level does not matter in pvp at all.

Seems like the more meaningful titles are the Class Champion ones now then. Back in the day even an Avenger was often more skilled than a Champion _.

In fact, I think I was still Gladiator/Mercenary or something when I got my first class champ title.

Going to post this (updated in the OP):

I have over 600 wins (in almost 1100 total matches) on my acct, most of which were played in arenas. However, I only have 291k rank points according to Anet, despite having 2 champ titles and an aggregate total of a third.

ANET : Compensation for legacy players would be appreciated. I should be r80 as people who have spent less time in the past, with less wins, are already r80.

Bump. Hopefully a mod or dev can give an answer.

Good Tofu.9376:

I remember obtaining a Champ Hunter title almost 3 years ago and only got like 70k rank points from it (if even). After 3 years, I returned to complete my Champ Illusionist (only needed 20 wins) and found that I got over 40k rank points from these wins.

Now, if my calculations are correct, you get around 150x(~1700 pts/win) = 255,000 rank points for one Champ title from wins only This isn’t even counting the losses you might incur. Assuming 50% win/loss, you get an additional 150x(~700 pts/loss) = 105,000 rank points from losses

Thats a total of 255,000+105,000 = 360,000 rank points per champ title.

UPDATE

I have over 600 wins (in almost 1100 total matches) on my acct, most of which were played in arenas. However, I only have ~290k rank points despite having 2 champ titles and an aggregate total of a third.

ANET : Compensation for legacy players would be appreciated. I should be R80 with this PvP rewards system. People with less time spent and less wins are already R80.

Welcome back to Guild Wars 2,
I don’t believe this will be added, I’ll submit this with my weekly reports and see what will happen. There is a new type of rank system coming out in Heart of Thorns.

“PvP Leagues”
You can read more about it at:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/introducing-pvp-leagues/

Best of luck!

Some players have almost 10k games. Where do we draw the line?

I have close to 9K games. Our new r80 friends not only got there faster but also got rewarded.

There was a time when I had to pay with tokens to compete in certain in-game matches.

But in the end, it’s really no big deal to me that they got to r80 faster because I got to enjoy the game longer and experienced all the weird balance changes each profession went through. Hopefully you will feel less cheated if you view it from that perspective. For some reason I find the legendary champ title to be as meaningless as the champion slayer title.

Wolfey.3407:

Good Tofu.9376:

I remember obtaining a Champ Hunter title almost 3 years ago and only got like 70k rank points from it (if even). After 3 years, I returned to complete my Champ Illusionist (only needed 20 wins) and found that I got over 40k rank points from these wins.

Now, if my calculations are correct, you get around 150x(~1700 pts/win) = 255,000 rank points for one Champ title from wins only This isn’t even counting the losses you might incur. Assuming 50% win/loss, you get an additional 150x(~700 pts/loss) = 105,000 rank points from losses

Thats a total of 255,000+105,000 = 360,000 rank points per champ title.

UPDATE

I have over 600 wins (in almost 1100 total matches) on my acct, most of which were played in arenas. However, I only have ~290k rank points despite having 2 champ titles and an aggregate total of a third.

ANET : Compensation for legacy players would be appreciated. I should be R80 with this PvP rewards system. People with less time spent and less wins are already R80.

Welcome back to Guild Wars 2,
I don’t believe this will be added, I’ll submit this with my weekly reports and see what will happen. There is a new type of rank system coming out in Heart of Thorns.

“PvP Leagues”
You can read more about it at:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/introducing-pvp-leagues/

Best of luck!

Thanks for the submission, very much appreciated!

I understand that a new PvP rewards system is coming, but it would still be nice to be compensated in retrospect for having fulfilled requirements for the existing system. Having a dragon emote, finisher, and R80 title would still be very nice.

just play the game.. it doesn’t even take long to get to 80 anymore and 80 doesn’t mean anything either as most people on lvl 80 are still bad. after all rank 80 is only legacy rank 55 (with 3x the points per game than it used to be)

Win 2,000 matches in PvP
Win 2,000 rated games

These needs to reward a whole lot more than a title and a few Achievement Points. This is basically End Game for us PvPers and we want to feel like.. we’ve achieved something.

Ugh.. half way through!

Seeing people complain, I wonder how they would feel if the current players (still playing for rank [somewhat]) were at a technical rank 79-80 now after 3 years. Rank has always been meaningless, you’re asking for some type of compensation of 2 champ titles when someone already had all 8 champ titles within 9? months of playing (I could be wrong on the specifics). Rank 80 and it’s associated titles are meaningless because of their inherent grind without skill reward, if you really want them just play more.

Good Tofu.9376:

I remember obtaining a Champ Hunter title almost 3 years ago and only got like 70k rank points from it (if even). After 3 years, I returned to complete my Champ Illusionist (only needed 20 wins) and found that I got over 40k rank points from these wins.

Now, if my calculations are correct, you get around 150x(~1700 pts/win) = 255,000 rank points for one Champ title from wins only This isn’t even counting the losses you might incur. Assuming 50% win/loss, you get an additional 150x(~700 pts/loss) = 105,000 rank points from losses

Thats a total of 255,000+105,000 = 360,000 rank points per champ title.

UPDATE

I have over 600 wins (in almost 1100 total matches) on my acct, most of which were played in arenas. However, I only have ~290k rank points despite having 2 champ titles and an aggregate total of a third.

ANET : Compensation for legacy players would be appreciated. I should be R80 with this PvP rewards system. People with less time spent and less wins are already R80.

Over 600 wins and 290k rank points you say uh? Let me tell you a story..

I just hit r70 some days before 15 april 2014 patch when all r55+ instantly jumped to r80 when it was dumbed down from 8kk to 1kk and lost more than 2kk rank points and thousands of hours playtime…never got ANY compensation for having more than 3 TIMES the rank points required for new “casual friendly ez mode” r80

This screen was r69 just before last run to 70 (I should have that too somewhere), do you think i EVER got any reward for that? Nope…nothing, actually even got LESS chests (Only 10) than those who were lower rank cause they had more rank ups to 80 than me

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/April_2014_Feature_Pack

Dumbest patch ever in the neverending list of dumb patches, countless old players left the game just because of this bs done only because pve heroes were complaining about r80 being impossible to get while playing as pvp casuals (Like it already was with any gw1 pvp rank in anyway)

Anet had always been king at trolling veteran players…nothing new, if you expect to be rewarded for dedication in this pvp just quit already, that will never happen….do you know what i got from more than 20k total pvp matches on 3 accounts? Nothing.

Archaon.9524:

Good Tofu.9376:

I remember obtaining a Champ Hunter title almost 3 years ago and only got like 70k rank points from it (if even). After 3 years, I returned to complete my Champ Illusionist (only needed 20 wins) and found that I got over 40k rank points from these wins.

Now, if my calculations are correct, you get around 150x(~1700 pts/win) = 255,000 rank points for one Champ title from wins only This isn’t even counting the losses you might incur. Assuming 50% win/loss, you get an additional 150x(~700 pts/loss) = 105,000 rank points from losses

Thats a total of 255,000+105,000 = 360,000 rank points per champ title.

UPDATE

I have over 600 wins (in almost 1100 total matches) on my acct, most of which were played in arenas. However, I only have ~290k rank points despite having 2 champ titles and an aggregate total of a third.

ANET : Compensation for legacy players would be appreciated. I should be R80 with this PvP rewards system. People with less time spent and less wins are already R80.

Over 600 wins and 290k rank points you say uh?

i just hit r70 some days before 15 april 2014 patch when all r55+ instantly jumped to r80 when it was dumbed down from 8kk to 1kk and lost more than 2kk rank points and thousands of hours playtime…never got ANY compensation for having 3 times the rank points of new r80s

This screen was r69 just before last run to 70 (I should have that too somewhere), do you think i EVER got any reward for that? Nope…nothing, actually even got LESS chests (Only 10) than those who were lower rank cause they had more rank ups to 80 than me

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/April_2014_Feature_Pack

Dumbest patch ever in the neverending list of dumb patches, i don’t even know how many old players quit the game because of this bs

Anet had always been king at trolling veteran players…nothing new, if you expect to be rewarded for dedication in this pvp just quit already, that will never happen….do you know what i got from more than 20k total pvp matches on 3 accounts? Nothing.

This thread can be summed up sub old rank 30 players seeking compensation for nothing imo ( you were close to 70 as I was to 65 [rip grind?])

XGhoul.7426:

Archaon.9524:

Good Tofu.9376:

I remember obtaining a Champ Hunter title almost 3 years ago and only got like 70k rank points from it (if even). After 3 years, I returned to complete my Champ Illusionist (only needed 20 wins) and found that I got over 40k rank points from these wins.

Now, if my calculations are correct, you get around 150x(~1700 pts/win) = 255,000 rank points for one Champ title from wins only This isn’t even counting the losses you might incur. Assuming 50% win/loss, you get an additional 150x(~700 pts/loss) = 105,000 rank points from losses

Thats a total of 255,000+105,000 = 360,000 rank points per champ title.

UPDATE

I have over 600 wins (in almost 1100 total matches) on my acct, most of which were played in arenas. However, I only have ~290k rank points despite having 2 champ titles and an aggregate total of a third.

ANET : Compensation for legacy players would be appreciated. I should be R80 with this PvP rewards system. People with less time spent and less wins are already R80.

Over 600 wins and 290k rank points you say uh?

i just hit r70 some days before 15 april 2014 patch when all r55+ instantly jumped to r80 when it was dumbed down from 8kk to 1kk and lost more than 2kk rank points and thousands of hours playtime…never got ANY compensation for having 3 times the rank points of new r80s

This screen was r69 just before last run to 70 (I should have that too somewhere), do you think i EVER got any reward for that? Nope…nothing, actually even got LESS chests (Only 10) than those who were lower rank cause they had more rank ups to 80 than me

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/April_2014_Feature_Pack

Dumbest patch ever in the neverending list of dumb patches, i don’t even know how many old players quit the game because of this bs

Anet had always been king at trolling veteran players…nothing new, if you expect to be rewarded for dedication in this pvp just quit already, that will never happen….do you know what i got from more than 20k total pvp matches on 3 accounts? Nothing.

This thread can be summed up sub old rank 30 players seeking compensation for nothing imo ( you were close to 70 as I was to 65 [rip grind?])

I was actually r70 at around 3.5kk when patch ruined everything, just can’t find r70 screen so i just got another one at r69 or smt, but i didn’t really grind, dunno you but i never went to rank farm arenas…i was actually reporting them (Like i’m still doing right now because it had always been an exploit) also asking multiple times to reward rank points for tpvp matches only

They never did it cause you know…that was the only way pve heroes could get their rank while being totally bad at the game

Funny thing is dat they still doing it even now that you can basically go from 1 to 80 in like 3 months of pvp rofl

People actually care about rank? This screenshot from the finals of the last AG tournament shows you how much rank matters.

If ArenaNet wants rank to mean anything, they would have to make tournaments award substantial rank points while lowering points gained from queuing. Something along the lines of 50k/20k/10k points for top 3 places in the ESL cups, a fifth of those for AG cups and halving all rank point gain outside of these. I seriously doubt they’d do this though, just a bit of theorycraft.

Yea, and while we’re at it, let’s write a letter to all our past employers and ask them to send us more money because of the effect inflation has had on the dollar. =P

Dahkeus.8243:

Yea, and while we’re at it, let’s write a letter to all our past employers and ask them to send us more money because of the effect inflation has had on the dollar. =P

Not the best analogy. In this case, I am not an employee. Anet is certainly not an employer.

If anything, Anet is the service and I am the customer. If you want to get real world here, the dev team is literally paid to make balance changes and allocate rewards to the user base. I pay for my own experience, and my money goes to ANET.

I have 2 full champ titles plus nearly double the requisite amount in terms of actual arena wins across all classes I’ve played. The fact that the game documents that I somehow only have 90 total ranked+unranked wins (mathematically impossible) in my PvP profile is just an example of poor scripting.

As a paying customer, I would naturally expect some form of compensation in cases like this. If you want to get “real world” on me here, most reputable real-world consulting services will offer clients compensation or reworks of projects in cases of faulty work delivery or poor service quality with respect to what other clients receive.

What I’m asking for in this thread is no different.

Good Tofu.9376:

Dahkeus.8243:

Yea, and while we’re at it, let’s write a letter to all our past employers and ask them to send us more money because of the effect inflation has had on the dollar. =P

Not the best analogy. In this case, I am not an employee. Anet is certainly not an employer.

If anything, Anet is the service and I am the customer. If you want to get real world here, the dev team is literally paid to make balance changes and allocate rewards to the user base. I pay for my own experience, and my money goes to ANET.

I have 2 full champ titles plus nearly double the requisite amount in terms of actual arena wins. The fact that the game documents that I somehow only have “90 total arena wins” in my PvP profile is just an example of poor scripting.

As a paying customer, I would naturally expect some form of compensation in cases like this. If you want to get “real world” on me here, most reputable real-world consulting services will offer clients compensation or reworks of projects in cases of faulty work delivery or poor service quality with respect to what other clients receive.

What I’m asking for in this thread is no different.

What you’re asking for here is very unrealistic and very short-sighted. Just because ANet is paid, doesn’t mean they can wave a magical wand to meet every demand the customer has. They have a limited budget and even from a purely economic perspective, it just doesn’t make sense to do a full audit of what was potentially earned by going through every historical record of every early player and then calculating a payout to players now.

Just because you spent $60 3 years ago doesn’t mean that your every whim is suddenly ANet’s command. Your request comes at the expense of the use of dev time and technological infrastructure which could be dedicated to new content/changes that benefit all players and not just the veterans, who may or may not even be playing anymore.

And even beyond this, if ANet were to now hold themselves of retroactively paying out any perceived opportunity cost in all currencies of the game, they would have massive amounts of work ahead of them for things like glory boosters, login bonuses, etc. and would be even further hindered in what they could do in future releases since they wouldn’t be able to increase the rewards to anything without having to consider the ramifications of how they would pay the difference for all historical potentially lost rewards.

Dahkeus.8243:

Good Tofu.9376:

Dahkeus.8243:

Yea, and while we’re at it, let’s write a letter to all our past employers and ask them to send us more money because of the effect inflation has had on the dollar. =P

Not the best analogy. In this case, I am not an employee. Anet is certainly not an employer.

If anything, Anet is the service and I am the customer. If you want to get real world here, the dev team is literally paid to make balance changes and allocate rewards to the user base. I pay for my own experience, and my money goes to ANET.

I have 2 full champ titles plus nearly double the requisite amount in terms of actual arena wins. The fact that the game documents that I somehow only have “90 total arena wins” in my PvP profile is just an example of poor scripting.

As a paying customer, I would naturally expect some form of compensation in cases like this. If you want to get “real world” on me here, most reputable real-world consulting services will offer clients compensation or reworks of projects in cases of faulty work delivery or poor service quality with respect to what other clients receive.

What I’m asking for in this thread is no different.

What you’re asking for here is very unrealistic and very short-sighted. Just because ANet is paid, doesn’t mean they can wave a magical wand to meet every demand the customer has. They have a limited budget and even from a purely economic perspective, it just doesn’t make sense to do a full audit of what was potentially earned by going through every historical record of every early player and then calculating a payout to players now.

Just because you spent $60 3 years ago doesn’t mean that your every whim is suddenly ANet’s command. Your request comes at the expense of the use of dev time and technological infrastructure which could be dedicated to new content/changes that benefit all players and not just the veterans, who may or may not even be playing anymore.

And even beyond this, if ANet were to now hold themselves of retroactively paying out any perceived opportunity cost in all currencies of the game, they would have massive amounts of work ahead of them for things like glory boosters, login bonuses, etc. and would be even further hindered in what they could do in future releases since they wouldn’t be able to increase the rewards to anything without having to consider the ramifications of how they would pay the difference for all historical potentially lost rewards.

Actually, I’ve spent over $200. Bought deluxe edition 3 years ago, spent approx. $20 on on gems, and “invested” my money in Anet via the $99 ultimate edition of HoT…a product I have yet to even see.

I’m not demanding Anet address every issue. There are many PvE issues and PvP balancing flaws that are understandably harder to fix, and I haven’t mentioned them here. My problem is a simple mathematical error that is blatant to see and does not require a back-end overhaul to be fixed. All players’ match results are cached and it should not require days of manpower to query these properly.