Guild Wars 2

Soooooo…

Are PvP rank finishers going away, or what?

I understand that everyone is gonna get boosted a few ranks up, but I’m not sure should I grind PvP to secure the next rank’s finisher or can I safely assume I’ll be able to get it (and further ones) after April 15

Clarification would be nice, since the blog post doesn’t explain skritt..

Hi. I am a WvW player but I am worried about the distribution of rank points. i feel that custom arenas should not offer anywhere close to team arena amounts. Yes, I understand that there is some more merit to playing Team queue, but these people are also doing ranked and in a more hardcore environment. Hotjoin is a place to understand the basics of sPvP and fun matches, but Team Arena/ Solo Queue should be the goal.

Loyo.8526:

Hotjoin is a place to understand the basics of sPvP and fun matches, but Team Arena/ Solo Queue should be the goal.

Except you don’t learn the basics of sPvP there. You see the maps but don’t get to understand them. There are people swapping sides, dropping out, and thus you don’t get a decent understanding how competitive pvp can be. Etc.

You learn your build, a little, that’s all.

Evan Lesh.3295:

You’ll still get the rank emote unlocks.

Awesome. I made a lengthy post back when you announced the plan to remove ranks, glad it had an effect.
Great job on the update (so far), looking forward to getting back into the game for real.

i like having different builds and sets (looks, stats) for the different content that i do (tPvP, WvW, PvE, Dungeons) will this system still allow me to do that by equipping the gear once per content type or will this be something i have to change each and every time? if it is the latter all i can say is /sigh

Will the current PvP exclusive skins be obtainable in some other way?

Currently sPvP already has several exclusive skins.

The Dark Moon Shield
PvP Masquerade (tribal version)
Guild Armours (all of them are slightly unique from their doppleganger skins, ranging from a size adjustment to “tabard” tails on the leggings or altered shoulderpads).
Rubric, Commando and something else are only partially available in PvE and only as one time only Personal Story rewards.

Will we still be able to obtain these skins in PvP? Will there be a PvE method? I’m especially interested in the Dark Moon Shield as it’s already a PvP exclusive skin.

What about skins like runic blade and dwayna’s longbow? Will those be obtainable in PvP again?

Farming Pvplers with legendaries <333

Loyo.8526:

I feel that custom arenas should not offer anywhere close to team arena amounts. Yes, I understand that there is some more merit to playing Team queue, but these people are also doing ranked and in a more hardcore environment. Hotjoin is a place to understand the basics of sPvP and fun matches, but Team Arena/ Solo Queue should be the goal.

This announcement raised a red flag for me the second it left Hugh’s mouth, but for different reasons..
Now that we’ve switched to PvE rewards there is even more incentive for farmers to try and exploit the fact that custom arena win grants 75% of the reward of team arena win (meaning almost as much of a reward for potentially 0 effort).
I just hope ANet anticipated greedy human nature and that we won’t see a flood of “Custom arena farmers” threads after the patch goes live.

Truthbearer.9708:

What about skins like runic blade and dwayna’s longbow? Will those be obtainable in PvP again?

I also would lie to know this.

And what about skins which aren’t obtainable via PvP yet. Will there be ways to get those?

I hit rank 50 after I wasted all my glory. I didn’t think about saving a bit of glory to acquire bear tokens for rank 50 crafting. I believe you unlocked the order of whispers armor at rank 50. My question is, will it still be possible to acquire the order of whispers armor for a character that lets say chose the vigil in the personal story or are those armor skins you could mix and match in pvp become exclusive to your personal story choice again?

Dahkeus.8243:

clint.5681:

Are you going to increase end of match gold rewards?

No, but you’ll be getting chests for stuff more regularly which will give stuff that translates to gold if you decide to sell it.

That doesnt really sound good enough considering everything is gold based now. Unless im missing something.

Loyo.8526:

Hi. I am a WvW player but I am worried about the distribution of rank points. i feel that custom arenas should not offer anywhere close to team arena amounts. Yes, I understand that there is some more merit to playing Team queue, but these people are also doing ranked and in a more hardcore environment. Hotjoin is a place to understand the basics of sPvP and fun matches, but Team Arena/ Solo Queue should be the goal.

Currently Solo Queue awards more rank than Hotjoin/Custom Servers, and Team Queue awards even more than Solo. How much more are you thinking?

I’m awestruck! This is Great! I love it!!

I was steadily losing trust in ANet’s competence over the last months; This feature pack has proven able to reimburse that! Great Job!

Hrrm,

so, no refund for x,xxx gold spent MF farming wings of Dwayna before recipe was made public?

The rank thing is just there to give the long time players what they wanted, their rank. Remember rank was going to be removed from the game completely. When the leader boards or tourney thing they have planed for pvp hits, then the prestige for skill will be there. I happen to enjoy the idea of seeing a dragon finisher in my lifetime, and hope that people quit crying bout this before its reversed.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Shifted.6912:

Soooooo…

Are PvP rank finishers going away, or what?

I understand that everyone is gonna get boosted a few ranks up, but I’m not sure should I grind PvP to secure the next rank’s finisher or can I safely assume I’ll be able to get it (and further ones) after April 15

Clarification would be nice, since the blog post doesn’t explain skritt..

You’ll still get the rank emote unlocks.

Does this mean, If I become a dragon, I can still chose to Rank emote with my shark without stomping an enemy?

In otherwords, If I am standing in a Zerg in pve while my rank is a Dragon, I would like to be able to type /rank 7 and a shark should come out

Stark.1350:

Kaon.7192:

Aaaaaand there’s the bombshell.

“you’ll be able to play PvP to gather almost everything you need to craft a legendary! The Gifts of Battle and Exploration will still require Badges of Honor and map completion.”

You’re really going to cry about that?

Legendary’s are a time spent and luck based reward (or a gem2gold) that doesn’t need anything from spvp to make.

Now are you telling me there is no feasible way to make a reward track that can properly mimic the time and luck needed to make a gift of mastery for spvp or are you telling me that anet wants spvp only players to start playing pve (wvw is pve stat based).

Legendary’s as a skill based reward for a tournament is cool as it gets the top 10 these the fastest. Everyone else that plays spvp, but not pve can go screw, I guess.

Really love the changes! Just wanted to hop in and say thanks.

Thought that was necessary after reading so many qq-posts on the front page

Ok so I am a little confused and wondering can someone help me out?..

Well mainly I am wondering what will happen to say rank 45 and such? I know you said rank 50 and up will go to dragon does that Rank 40 will go to Phoenix or no? Are you just pushing up rank 50s and making the rest lvl like normal?

Some type of answer to this would really be helpful. Thanks in advance.

good job devs for once your doing it right!

where exactly are the PVP rewards? almost everything listed bar the pvp exclusive balthazar back is a PVE reward, stats are normalised in pvp why are you rewarding me with worthless ascended materials i cant even sell? the dungeon tracks are a joke as pvpers will have to level and then WALK to every dungeon entrance, why are we even getting what was meant to be dungeon exclusive skins?

overall this seems like its designed to reward PVE players who might want to dabble in PVP not PVP players who are getting the ability to swap appearance/ weapons for free removed and charged to unlock trash like perplexity runes that have no place in pvp but will be required for the new metas

where are the emotes
where are the titles
where are the pvp exclusives
where is the benefit to playing pvp over whatever the best gold farming method is?

i know you love that people can now open their wallet and buy anything in the game but seriously please get a clue

Shadow Blade.1324:

where exactly are the PVP rewards? almost everything listed bar the pvp exclusive balthazar back is a PVE reward, stats are normalised in pvp why are you rewarding me with worthless ascended materials i cant even sell? the dungeon tracks are a joke as pvpers will have to level and then WALK to every dungeon entrance, why are we even getting what was meant to be dungeon exclusive skins?

overall this seems like its designed to reward PVE players who might want to dabble in PVP not PVP players who are getting the ability to swap appearance/ weapons for free removed and charged to unlock trash like perplexity runes that have no place in pvp but will be required for the new metas

where are the emotes
where are the titles
where are the pvp exclusives
where is the benefit to playing pvp over whatever the best gold farming method is?

i know you love that people can now open their wallet and buy anything in the game but seriously please get a clue

+1
x100

I’m rank 59 from team and solo arena. I don’t think my skill level deserved a Dragon rank.
I feel bad for top tier player who spent time to get Phoenix rank.

While there’s some cool features coming up, I also feel that these changes are more for the PVE crowd and less for the PVP players. Nothing stands out as being PVP exclusive except for the backpack. Also, too much dumbing down of build making in conjunction with unnecessary restrictions like trait/sigil unlocking and removing jewels from the game is extremely annoying to me.

I’ll give the update a try but it seems that ANET keeps going in a direction that I don’t want in PVP.

If you actually go through with this and make rank 55=rank 80 the dragon willl be completely worthless. Quite a number of people already have rank 55+ and its pretty fast to get especially if Skyhammer farming/exploiting is still going on.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Some maths for errbody:
For a new player to get from 1->80 with the new numbers:
Fastest: 729 team arena wins with full time rewards.
Slowest: 5467 custom arena losses with full time rewards.

…so players like marvin with 4.1k tQ wins and 2.1k tQ losses will have been able to make roughly… 7 Dragon ranks 1-80 from tQ alone? This is not counting his solo Q or hotjoin or custom arena or user-hosted tournaments.

Oh, but since he is 71 he gets… 9 reward chests for being bumped up to 80?

I am genuinely curious, Evan. Do you TRULY support this new system that’s being implemented? I honestly want to know if our pvp devs ACTUALLY support this.

I honestly think it would be tragic if this is the consensus among the devs. I really want someone to come forward and say “Hey, this is kitten and we know it but the higher ups are forcing us to make pvp more pve-friendly. I genuinely apologize.”

I seriously want a genuine apology more than dragon rank. You can hold me to that. Reset my rank to 0 and give me an apology if there’s a genuine one to be given.

I mean if you truly support this system you’re implementing and how you’re basically reducing everyone’s rank to 55 and calling it dragon, then by all means stand by it.

I just can’t believe our pvp team would do this to it’s most loyal players.

I’m r42 and psyched as kitten about getting my thief hood in pvp on my engi.

As a wvw player mainly, I’m slightly sad that Tiger will mean even less than it did almost immediately after I achieved it.

I can’t even imagine how the higher ranks must be feeling.

Lux.7169:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Some maths for errbody:
For a new player to get from 1->80 with the new numbers:
Fastest: 729 team arena wins with full time rewards.
Slowest: 5467 custom arena losses with full time rewards.

…so players like marvin with 4.1k tQ wins and 2.1k tQ losses will have been able to make roughly… 7 Dragon ranks 1-80 from tQ alone? This is not counting his solo Q or hotjoin or custom arena or user-hosted tournaments.

Oh, but since he is 71 he gets… 9 reward chests for being bumped up to 80?

I am genuinely curious, Evan. Do you TRULY support this new system that’s being implemented? I honestly want to know if our pvp devs ACTUALLY support this.

I honestly think it would be tragic if this is the consensus among the devs. I really want someone to come forward and say “Hey, this is kitten and we know it but the higher ups are forcing us to make pvp more pve-friendly. I genuinely apologize.”

I seriously want a genuine apology more than dragon rank. You can hold me to that. Reset my rank to 0 and give me an apology if there’s a genuine one to be given.

I mean if you truly support this system you’re implementing and how you’re basically reducing everyone’s rank to 55 and calling it dragon, then by all means stand by it.

I just can’t believe our pvp team would do this to it’s most loyal players.

From what I understood is that if a player has more rank points than it takes to get to 80, all those points go towards additional “levels”. Meaning that he’ll get the reward for 80 + rewards for each level over 80 that he has already earned.

BeardRex.6739:

From what I understood is that if a player has more rank points than it takes to get to 80, all those points go towards additional “levels”. Meaning that he’ll get the reward for 80 + rewards for each level over 80 that he has already earned.

This was discussed and confirmed to be incorrect by a dev in chaith’s thread.

Basically if what you are suggesting was implemented Chaith would get 237 lvl up chests. However, based on what the dev in his thread said, he will only be getting 9 chests since he is 9 level from 80.

Someone rank 55, however, will get 25 chests since he is 25 lvls from 80 when he gets bumped up to 80.

The ‘logic’ behind this is that Chaith has already received his lvl up chests for 55, 56, 57, etc, so they won’t be giving up more based on his total experience earned.

Pretty kittened up, but that’s the official word as of right now.

It was brought up that legendary materials would be included in the PvP reward tracks. Would it be possible to include silver doubloons as part of the rewards? Considering that component of The Juggernaut is almost, if not more, expensive than all the T6 materials combined together, I believe it would be appropriate to integrate a method that would have a more stable influx of them.

As the Wardrobe replaces the gear locker, PvP crafting materials will be removed from the game, so be sure to craft anything you want before the April 15 update.

How do we do this, now that we don’t have glory to buy one of the crafting components?

On a related note, I’m wondering what to do with these 34 glory boosters I never had the chance to use.

I just don’t really get one thing.. We need the map gift for a PvP legendary.. This is the biggest deal for me, to be honest.. They force us to do the most PvE for something that I want in PvE.. I mean.. Just make some PvP gift?

Quincy.2198:

I just don’t really get one thing.. We need the map gift for a PvP legendary.. This is the biggest deal for me, to be honest.. They force us to do the most PvE for something that I want in PvE.. I mean.. Just make some PvP gift?

The tables should be turned. To get a legendary you need to reach max PvP rank aka r55 in today’s value.

Let’s see how the PvE’ers like to be forced to do content they don’t like.

bhagwad.4281:

Quincy.2198:

I just don’t really get one thing.. We need the map gift for a PvP legendary.. This is the biggest deal for me, to be honest.. They force us to do the most PvE for something that I want in PvE.. I mean.. Just make some PvP gift?

The tables should be turned. To get a legendary you need to reach max PvP rank aka r55 in today’s value.

Let’s see how the PvE’ers like to be forced to do content they don’t like.

Agreed so hard.

Lux.7169:

bhagwad.4281:

Quincy.2198:

I just don’t really get one thing.. We need the map gift for a PvP legendary.. This is the biggest deal for me, to be honest.. They force us to do the most PvE for something that I want in PvE.. I mean.. Just make some PvP gift?

The tables should be turned. To get a legendary you need to reach max PvP rank aka r55 in today’s value.

Let’s see how the PvE’ers like to be forced to do content they don’t like.

Agreed so hard.

Couldn’t agree more with above. +11111111111111111111111111111111111

Quincy.2198:

Lux.7169:

bhagwad.4281:

Quincy.2198:

I just don’t really get one thing.. We need the map gift for a PvP legendary.. This is the biggest deal for me, to be honest.. They force us to do the most PvE for something that I want in PvE.. I mean.. Just make some PvP gift?

The tables should be turned. To get a legendary you need to reach max PvP rank aka r55 in today’s value.

Let’s see how the PvE’ers like to be forced to do content they don’t like.

Agreed so hard.

Couldn’t agree more with above. +11111111111111111111111111111111111

But the onslaught & the horde of PvE whiners will prevent that from happening.

kirito.4138:

Quincy.2198:

Lux.7169:

bhagwad.4281:

Quincy.2198:

I just don’t really get one thing.. We need the map gift for a PvP legendary.. This is the biggest deal for me, to be honest.. They force us to do the most PvE for something that I want in PvE.. I mean.. Just make some PvP gift?

The tables should be turned. To get a legendary you need to reach max PvP rank aka r55 in today’s value.

Let’s see how the PvE’ers like to be forced to do content they don’t like.

Agreed so hard.

Couldn’t agree more with above. +11111111111111111111111111111111111

But the onslaught & the horde of PvE whiners will prevent that from happening.

I guess no legendary weapons in PvP for me then, sadly.

Lux.7169:

Shadow Blade.1324:

where exactly are the PVP rewards? almost everything listed bar the pvp exclusive balthazar back is a PVE reward, stats are normalised in pvp why are you rewarding me with worthless ascended materials i cant even sell? the dungeon tracks are a joke as pvpers will have to level and then WALK to every dungeon entrance, why are we even getting what was meant to be dungeon exclusive skins?

overall this seems like its designed to reward PVE players who might want to dabble in PVP not PVP players who are getting the ability to swap appearance/ weapons for free removed and charged to unlock trash like perplexity runes that have no place in pvp but will be required for the new metas

where are the emotes
where are the titles
where are the pvp exclusives
where is the benefit to playing pvp over whatever the best gold farming method is?

i know you love that people can now open their wallet and buy anything in the game but seriously please get a clue

+1
x100

+1
x999

I’d really like to know if the new glory vendor is going to disappear.

I want to buy the cultural armor, but I’d rather wait till after the update, unless of course the npc is going to poof with the update.
Thanks!

NiftyNags.7946:

I’d really like to know if the new glory vendor is going to disappear.

I really to know that too

What kind of man would delete that gorgeous redhead ncp (10 rank vendor) ?
What kind of monster are you ? !

The entitlement in this thread is strong.

EverythingEnds.4261:

So basicly the ppl who will be in the best spot after this patch will be those who mostly played PvE?
As they will have the most amount of gold and gems and those are the only things you now need to get anything in PvP.

Great!
Hype!!!!

So the changes to PvP:
-Instead of getting full acces to traits, skills and amuletts etc. you now will have to pay for them in PvP.
-Instead of “Style” being tied to you progression in the rank sysem, you now can simply buy everything or use you PvE gear
-Everything achieved via PvP in the past e.g already unlocked skins, glory boosts, crafting mats will become worthless.

Awesome!
But at least they are fixing the meta with proper Balancing. Oh, wait…

Oh, I also forgot, how much I appreciate it, that we now have to play dungeons (story) and the Living story for getting proper acces to dungeon armors.

This. 10times

Evan Lesh.3295:

Nightwrath.1679:

Ok so I am a little confused and wondering can someone help me out?..

Well mainly I am wondering what will happen to say rank 45 and such? I know you said rank 50 and up will go to dragon does that Rank 40 will go to Phoenix or no? Are you just pushing up rank 50s and making the rest lvl like normal?

Some type of answer to this would really be helpful. Thanks in advance.

Rank ~45 will go to ~52. Ranks 39->54 got rebalanced to be linear 39->80.

So…
r55 will get r80
r45 will get r52
…
seems fair

mickeye.4805:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Nightwrath.1679:

Ok so I am a little confused and wondering can someone help me out?..

Well mainly I am wondering what will happen to say rank 45 and such? I know you said rank 50 and up will go to dragon does that Rank 40 will go to Phoenix or no? Are you just pushing up rank 50s and making the rest lvl like normal?

Some type of answer to this would really be helpful. Thanks in advance.

Rank ~45 will go to ~52. Ranks 39->54 got rebalanced to be linear 39->80.

So…
r55 will get r80
r45 will get r52
…
seems fair

rank kitten takes more than double the time it takes to go from 1-45.

mickeye.4805:

So…
r55 will get r80
r45 will get r52
…
seems fair

The amount of glory needed to go from current r45 to current r55 will be the same as the amount of glory needed to go from future r52 to future r80. So yes, it is fair, as far as that logic goes. It doesn’t change much for those players.

Uhtameit.2413:

mickeye.4805:

So…
r55 will get r80
r45 will get r52
…
seems fair

The amount of glory needed to go from current r45 to current r55 will be the same as the amount of glory needed to go from future r52 to future r80. So yes, it is fair, as far as that logic goes. It doesn’t change much for those players.

yeah whatever, not like it will means anything… gear will be PvE based so fukk this…