Guild Wars 2

I don’t understand what you did with Guild Wars 2 PvP rewards. I was a big fanboi of GW1 PvP and still believe it was the best PvP ever created. So, first let’s look at what made Guild Wars 1 PvP rewarding and then compare it to GW2. (I’m going with HA right now, can’t really compare GvG against no GvG.)

1.)You only ranked up from winning. If someone was a high rank, they won a lot. Therefore, usually good. Pretty accurate representation of skill.
2.)Increased rank for consecutive wins.
3.)Hall of Heroes. Name/Guild Name announced when you won, acquire recognition. You stayed until you were kicked out. You opened the chest at the end. Accumulated tons of rank. Challenging.
4.)ITEMS FROM CHESTS IN GW1 PVP COULD BE USED IN PVE.
5.)Different game modes…
6.)/RANK (WHY IS THIS NOT IN GW2?!?!?!)

So, compared to Guild Wars 2.

You get points for playing. What is this garbage…It would be one thing if you accumulated glory for playing and rank for winning. Why would you associate the main sPvP rank with play time, how much you zerg, and how good you are at team deathmatch(ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE CAP POINTS? WAT?) It gives a very, very vague idea of overall player skill.

Guild Wars 2 gives no reward for consecutive wins. While this isn’t huge on my list, it was still a great idea. You were happy when you won that 4th game in a row, that means you had to spend that much less time winning single games in Underworld.

Hall of Heroes. Perhaps one of the greatest PvP ideas of all time. This is where the best HAers spent their time. This is why great HAers were rich. This is why great HAers were known. The only reason I know anyone in sPvP is because they are always sitting in heart talking kitten in map chat and I see their name constantly.

Holy crap, Zaishen Chest. Why is this not a thing? You basically created two different games, and spent less time on the part of it that the game is all about. Ok, so, In Gw1 when you won in the HoH you got to open a chest. That chest dropped a Zaishen key, which you could sell for PvE money. It also dropped PvE items (weapons, minis, etc) which could be used/sold in PvE. This is one of my biggest let downs. There is no reason to have PvP armor. None. I play tournies for two days and have the highest tier free tourny armor. What? Even when you do come out with Paid Tournies or GvG, why would that be any different? I win a paid tourny and achieve full paid tourny gear. So what? This lets people know I played paid tournies for a week? Ok? Screw the PvP armor, give me a seperate paid tourny rank, give me a chest of PvE items that I can wear in PvP. There shouldn’t be an advantage to PvE armor, right? Same stats? I don’t even know what I’m talking about anymore on this topic so I’m just going to go on.

Different game modes. I’m sure you’ll make more, but seriously? 4 cap point maps on release? “C’mon man”.

/rank. Uh, hello. Greatest PvP reward ever? “Hey, what rank are you?” “You wanna know my rank? WHY DON’T YOU LOOK AT THIS kittenING AWESOME SPECTRAL TIGER EMITTING FROM MY BODY?” The banners are just…fart noise. Like, if I kill someone and I wanna let them know what’s up, I’ll just /rank them. Don’t give me your pansy excuse that it promotes bad behavior and elitist attitude. This is PvP. Man up.

TL;DR? So, yeah. GW2 PvP? Not rewarding. Rank doesn’t matter, armor doesn’t matter and the biggest problem, winning doesn’t matter.

This ends my rant. I know more modes are coming out, most likely more maps. But for several of these concerns, I don’t see why the new modes or maps would change anything other than rank. Yeah, for paid tournies and GvG they’d better have some sort of ranking system based on wins, but at the rate I’m accumulating tPvP rewards, the armor doesn’t matter.

I agree. I never played gw1, and I don’t pve.. I just love to pvp. I would like to see more reward for the time I spend doing what I love to do. I don’t have countless hours to spend playing both sides of the game.

Agreed as well.

Keep spvp and pve seperate.

But some more rewards is never a bad thing.

@OP

now compare GW2 to GW1 at release and maybe then you will stop with complaints

@Kill,

There’s no release comparison to make. They already had a successful PvP game to model GW2 after and there is no likeness.

How are dragon and tiger tokens not rewarding?!

Killyox.3950:

@OP

now compare GW2 to GW1 at release and maybe then you will stop with complaints

GW1 was much better even at release…

The only thing I like better about GW2 is that everything is 100% unlocked and available right at the start.

Vice.5237:

How are dragon and tiger tokens not rewarding?!

They would be if they meant something

Edit: I’m aware you’re most likely being sarcastic, I just wanted to make a point.

I agree with you in spirit, however:

Don’t give me your pansy excuse that it promotes bad behavior and elitist attitude. This is PvP. Man up

This is a terrible excuse for being an kitten to people. You kind of prove their point about the behavior here man. There used to be a thing called sportsmanship (also respect and decency) that existed in competitions. Sadly it’s going extinct.

I was also a huge fan of guild wars 1 pvp and I share your feelings.

Guild wars 1 you get rank for winning and become famous and rich for winning tournaments

Guild wars 2 you farm glory and rank by zerging around the map killing people, there is 1 game mode but people even ignore that not care about winning, only reason to pvp is to farm. Gotta farm that glory so I look cooler farming more glory in my new pvp armor.

Lastly, /rank was probably the coolest and most unique thing added to guild wars 1 and was by far my favorite feature in the game, I am by far disappointed they removed it in gw2 and even said they will not be implemented. But I guess, in guild wars 2 rank doesn’t mean skill it means how much you farm so I understand I guess?

I guess some people need a carrot on a stick to keep on pvping. I just like killing people and trying to be the best. I don’t need cool armor or fancy weapons. I just want to be known for my prowess at pvp.

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@Derps
Did you read the OP? You won’t be known for PvP in this game!

“Oh look that guy is wearing high rank armor! Hmm yeah, he exploited some chests that gave a token that was way to high rank. Oh ok”.

“Hey look, that guy has a sweet weapon! Yeah he’s been glory farming in hot joins for a week to get that. Oh ok.”

So where exactly you get recognition from? That pug you roflstomped that isn’t gonna remember your name and won’t think highly of it because, ya know, it was pug vs premade? Pretty much all the “big name” PvPers are big names because they got their names in other games.

Hall of Heroes though was announced on all servers, you could watch the matches (we really need this soon, really) and it was the BEST OF THE BEST. If you won there people knew you won and they knew you were darn good for winning it.

iAegis – GW2 was meant to be different from GW1 not similar. That i like about GW2 more actually.

derLoko – maybe in your opinion. I played GW1 Beta and GW1 at release + whole prophecies. It had a lot less than GW2 has.

SPvP needs to have some SMALL effect on PvE in my opinion, even if it’s simply EXP gain and the ability to wear PvP gear in cities. We’re using the same character, I don’t understand why there has to be distinct separate rewards between PvE and PvP that splits the community.

I would really like to be able to use my PvP skin in PvE yeah. Also there is a small effect, since you get dyes, but that’s about it :P (don’t think titles really count)

Killyox.3950:

iAegis – GW2 was meant to be different from GW1 not similar. That i like about GW2 more actually.

derLoko – maybe in your opinion. I played GW1 Beta and GW1 at release + whole prophecies. It had a lot less than GW2 has.

Less but more.
Presearing Ascalon was a home.
Postsearing Ascalon made you said, videos had been made about it, bringing emotions.
When Rurik died you also felt said.

You hated those Charrs, you wanted to make your place peaceful again.
Story scenes were great and you could feel your heart beating from excite when you saw Lich!

Game was social, guilds were active.
Players and guilds in PvP had respect for their accomplishment! You knew about them, you tried to beat them down!

So much tactis has been made, so much thinking and remembering going on.
You knew almost all skills in the game, their cooldown, everything.

PvP was very active and very skilled.

Pls, don’t tell me that gw2 have more then gw1 had at release, cuz it can’t compare to social and pvp aspects gw1 had!

I believe, the rank system will come up along with the spectator mode. At least that is my speculation because it would only make sense to have the two together. Because a spectator mode will most likely, just like in GW1 and LoL, only show top ranked team games.

No.

If sPvP affects PvE, then PvE will begin to affect sPvP.

No.

Why on earth do you want ‘rewards’ for doing what you like?
If you like pvp, case closed. You do it
If you dont like pvp, why are you doing it?

Once the ranking system will be in place I hope the ‘purpose’ of pvping will be clear to most of you…

Until then, my question stands.

Xynthe.7061:

Why on earth do you want ‘rewards’ for doing what you like?
If you like pvp, case closed. You do it
If you dont like pvp, why are you doing it?

Once the ranking system will be in place I hope the ‘purpose’ of pvping will be clear to most of you…

Until then, my question stands.

I don’t know for others, but my reward is my progress.
Keeping a track of my progress, how good I am, how much do I have to train to become better.
You can’t be better if there is no competition, you can’t know how good you are if you don’t have tools to show it to you.

I am kind of PvPer that you can call hardcore, or in other words, competitive.
Not every PvPer is like that, a lot of them are casual who just like killing others and have fun.

My fun is my progress. While I was playing cs:s I was casual one at first, then I have learned there is so called cw=clan war.
First time I got into team that played it, casualy, I fell in love with it.
I was driven into mindset of competitive PvPer, I wanted to play and to win vs better teams.
I trained a lot. Yes, there was time I didn’t have so much fun, there isn’t much fun in playing DM or aim maps 1-2 hours a day, but when I started to learn tactics, counter tactics and all other tricks, like how to use usefull flashes, smokes etc., I had lot of fun.

PvP in this game is casual at this moment. It isn’t competitive.
To make it competitive you have to have ranks, you have to have range of skills, you have to have progression.

If you are learning to play guitar, and you just learnt playing with chords and your friends liked it and praised you, that would be it. End of your progression.
But, if you would have listened to solo guitar players, or fingerstyle players, then you would want to be like them. And you would start your progression again, you would now have a purpose to do it.

That is what we want! And please understand it.
I know a lot of you here are casual, who don’t understand the mindstate of competitive player, you maybe even call us geeks, or weird, or no lifers, but it’s not the whole picture, it’s very shallow one.

I myself have hobbies 5 days a week, singing classes, dancing classes, I am teaching others how to play guitar, I am in collegue, I am seeing with my girlfriend almost every day.
And I still play this game, or any other game for hours a day, watching tv shows, reading forums.

I am probably working a lot more then you ever did while not having a job, but I still can put 5 hours a day in games.

Don’t judge what you don’t know.
I want this 5 hours, sometimes less, some days I don’t even play, but! I want them to have a purpose!
You have your fun being casual, and this game is perfect for it.
My fun is brainstorming ideas, tactics and builds, which I can’t do in this game at this state.
Only thing we want is to have this possible for us.

We don’t have it, even tho it was promised to us. Yes, that makes us angry, that makes us QQ on forums and it’s only because we like gw2, we wouldn’t bother otherwise.

Thank you for reading.

Dude, you are comparing a game with years of polishing + 3 expansions with one released a month ago with no expansions yet.

Chill out and let them work.

Mikali.9651:

Xynthe.7061:

Why on earth do you want ‘rewards’ for doing what you like?
If you like pvp, case closed. You do it
If you dont like pvp, why are you doing it?

Once the ranking system will be in place I hope the ‘purpose’ of pvping will be clear to most of you…

Until then, my question stands.

I don’t know for others, but my reward is my progress.
Keeping a track of my progress, how good I am, how much do I have to train to become better.
You can’t be better if there is no competition, you can’t know how good you are if you don’t have tools to show it to you.

I am kind of PvPer that you can call hardcore, or in other words, competitive.
Not every PvPer is like that, a lot of them are casual who just like killing others and have fun.

My fun is my progress. While I was playing cs:s I was casual one at first, then I have learned there is so called cw=clan war.
First time I got into team that played it, casualy, I fell in love with it.
I was driven into mindset of competitive PvPer, I wanted to play and to win vs better teams.
I trained a lot. Yes, there was time I didn’t have so much fun, there isn’t much fun in playing DM or aim maps 1-2 hours a day, but when I started to learn tactics, counter tactics and all other tricks, like how to use usefull flashes, smokes etc., I had lot of fun.

PvP in this game is casual at this moment. It isn’t competitive.
To make it competitive you have to have ranks, you have to have range of skills, you have to have progression.

If you are learning to play guitar, and you just learnt playing with chords and your friends liked it and praised you, that would be it. End of your progression.
But, if you would have listened to solo guitar players, or fingerstyle players, then you would want to be like them. And you would start your progression again, you would now have a purpose to do it.

That is what we want! And please understand it.
I know a lot of you here are casual, who don’t understand the mindstate of competitive player, you maybe even call us geeks, or weird, or no lifers, but it’s not the whole picture, it’s very shallow one.

I myself have hobbies 5 days a week, singing classes, dancing classes, I am teaching others how to play guitar, I am in collegue, I am seeing with my girlfriend almost every day.
And I still play this game, or any other game for hours a day, watching tv shows, reading forums.

I am probably working a lot more then you ever did while not having a job, but I still can put 5 hours a day in games.

Don’t judge what you don’t know.
I want this 5 hours, sometimes less, some days I don’t even play, but! I want them to have a purpose!
You have your fun being casual, and this game is perfect for it.
My fun is brainstorming ideas, tactics and builds, which I can’t do in this game at this state.
Only thing we want is to have this possible for us.

We don’t have it, even tho it was promised to us. Yes, that makes us angry, that makes us QQ on forums and it’s only because we like gw2, we wouldn’t bother otherwise.

Thank you for reading.

Look buddy, I admire your post. I can see your really sincere with your ideas and such… But I think you misread not only my post but the whole underlying point i was trying to make…

I mentioned, ONCE RANKING COMES OUT….that is when your ‘purpose’ will become evident. As will your ‘reward’.

Xynthe.7061:

Mikali.9651:

Xynthe.7061:

Why on earth do you want ‘rewards’ for doing what you like?
If you like pvp, case closed. You do it
If you dont like pvp, why are you doing it?

Once the ranking system will be in place I hope the ‘purpose’ of pvping will be clear to most of you…

Until then, my question stands.

I don’t know for others, but my reward is my progress.
Keeping a track of my progress, how good I am, how much do I have to train to become better.
You can’t be better if there is no competition, you can’t know how good you are if you don’t have tools to show it to you.

I am kind of PvPer that you can call hardcore, or in other words, competitive.
Not every PvPer is like that, a lot of them are casual who just like killing others and have fun.

My fun is my progress. While I was playing cs:s I was casual one at first, then I have learned there is so called cw=clan war.
First time I got into team that played it, casualy, I fell in love with it.
I was driven into mindset of competitive PvPer, I wanted to play and to win vs better teams.
I trained a lot. Yes, there was time I didn’t have so much fun, there isn’t much fun in playing DM or aim maps 1-2 hours a day, but when I started to learn tactics, counter tactics and all other tricks, like how to use usefull flashes, smokes etc., I had lot of fun.

PvP in this game is casual at this moment. It isn’t competitive.
To make it competitive you have to have ranks, you have to have range of skills, you have to have progression.

If you are learning to play guitar, and you just learnt playing with chords and your friends liked it and praised you, that would be it. End of your progression.
But, if you would have listened to solo guitar players, or fingerstyle players, then you would want to be like them. And you would start your progression again, you would now have a purpose to do it.

That is what we want! And please understand it.
I know a lot of you here are casual, who don’t understand the mindstate of competitive player, you maybe even call us geeks, or weird, or no lifers, but it’s not the whole picture, it’s very shallow one.

I myself have hobbies 5 days a week, singing classes, dancing classes, I am teaching others how to play guitar, I am in collegue, I am seeing with my girlfriend almost every day.
And I still play this game, or any other game for hours a day, watching tv shows, reading forums.

I am probably working a lot more then you ever did while not having a job, but I still can put 5 hours a day in games.

Don’t judge what you don’t know.
I want this 5 hours, sometimes less, some days I don’t even play, but! I want them to have a purpose!
You have your fun being casual, and this game is perfect for it.
My fun is brainstorming ideas, tactics and builds, which I can’t do in this game at this state.
Only thing we want is to have this possible for us.

We don’t have it, even tho it was promised to us. Yes, that makes us angry, that makes us QQ on forums and it’s only because we like gw2, we wouldn’t bother otherwise.

Thank you for reading.

Look buddy, I admire your post. I can see your really sincere with your ideas and such… But I think you misread not only my post but the whole underlying point i was trying to make…

I mentioned, ONCE RANKING COMES OUT….that is when your ‘purpose’ will become evident. As will your ‘reward’.

It was to fill you up buddy, my bad if you though I am talking to you, giving you a lesson or w/e you understood by it

I’d rather keep the PVP and PVE aspects of the game separated, for the following reasons:

- if by PVPing you could get good gear to use in PVE, the PVP matches will get flooded by people who don’t care about PVPing and are in it just for the reward. These people usually don’t put any effort in the game, just a minimum to get by and grind for their gear. I’d rather play with people who actually care about playing a good game than people who farm points/currency/whatever.

- PVE fixes will end up influencing PVP and vice versa. They’re two completely different environments with different dynamics, and if something is overpowered in PVP, might not be as much overpowered in PVE, and it obviously goes the other way around as well.

Personally, I couldn’t care less about the PVE aspect of this game. I don’t care about rewards, don’t care about exp. The reason why I bought GW2 was for the fact that gear doesn’t matter in PVP, and since the only improvements you get are aesthetical, you get less AFKers or people who just mash buttons to farm points.

So yeah, keep them totally separated plz.

At first I was the same : “ok great a kitten chest containing useless junk”.
Whatever i dont care, I have fun pvping, indeed because i dont feel the need to grind.
Around rk20 I started looking for infos about crafting pvp gear (and started to salvage).
By the time I made it to rk30 my locker was full of items and salvages so now all my chars have badkitten armors and weapons.

There is no “oh Id like to wear that armor but its stats sux for my build” just wear whatever u like, change outfits whenever u want.. There is no set of items either, u can mix this helmet with those gloves, etc.

Finally the “preview” u get at the locker is pretty nice since u can preview items u dont have so u can choose what to craft.

Thats decent reward imo and keeps everyone on par.

CeCaKonVeu.5734:

At first I was the same : “ok great a kitten chest containing useless junk”.
Whatever i dont care, I have fun pvping, indeed because i dont feel the need to grind.
Around rk20 I started looking for infos about crafting pvp gear (and started to salvage).
By the time I made it to rk30 my locker was full of items and salvages so now all my chars have badkitten armors and weapons.

There is no “oh Id like to wear that armor but its stats sux for my build” just wear whatever u like, change outfits whenever u want.. There is no set of items either, u can mix this helmet with those gloves, etc.

Finally the “preview” u get at the locker is pretty nice since u can preview items u dont have so u can choose what to craft.

Thats decent reward imo and keeps everyone on par.

Completely agree. If you would actually get better stat gear in sPvP instead of mere cosmetics I would probably just leave it behind. I cannot be arsed to get into a WoW gear>skill grindfest again.

Xynthe.7061:

Why on earth do you want ‘rewards’ for doing what you like?
If you like pvp, case closed. You do it
If you dont like pvp, why are you doing it?

Once the ranking system will be in place I hope the ‘purpose’ of pvping will be clear to most of you…

Until then, my question stands.

Hilarious considering that’s what this game is about.

Play however you want and still get your rewards/progress.

how can be someone so stupid to judge the game’s PVP by its “for fun” part? really, tell me, i want to know it…

it is almost in every topic in this section, they are working on competitive PVP features (paid tournaments, ladder system, spectator,…) now, what we already have isn’t final look of PVP… got it?