Guild Wars 2

The res is boring, OP and lame. Aoe healing signet. Full condi cleanse, massive res of often 2 players on a tiny cast time. Only 180 cooldown on the skill.

Man it is just so OP.

Other spirits also OP and boring. 1 spam. Literally no skill. It is is the definition of no skill. Stand in healing spring and spam 1 = wins alot.

Can’t see a thing amongst all the BS they do. They block your attacks.

It is lame AND overpowered. But mainly lame. The res spirit just demoralises me everytime I see it.

Please just delete AI specs. Make it totally unviable with a huge nerf.

Then good rangers can shine again and Ai clutter and lameness can go away.

Rangers cant shine without spirit build unless 15 october gives some op stuff

Lordrosicky.5813:

The res is boring, OP and lame. Aoe healing signet. Full condi cleanse, massive res of often 2 players on a tiny cast time. Only 180 cooldown on the skill.

Man it is just so OP.

Other spirits also OP and boring. 1 spam. Literally no skill. It is is the definition of no skill. Stand in healing spring and spam 1 = wins alot.

Can’t see a thing amongst all the BS they do. They block your attacks.

It is lame AND overpowered. But mainly lame. The res spirit just demoralises me everytime I see it.

Please just delete AI specs. Make it totally unviable with a huge nerf.

Then good rangers can shine again and Ai clutter and lameness can go away.

lol.
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Spirits weren’t exactly viable before, now they are/have been ever since they were buffed.

If you QQ about spirit rangers, you might as well go QQ about every other class too: Mesmer, Necro, Thief, Guardian, Warrior, Ele, Engi. you got clones/illusions/phantasms; minions; thieves guild; spirit weapons; banners being OP; Ele’s summoned elementals; and turrets.

Maybe you should just deal with it, bud. lay poison on them, use CC, stack multi conditions, something is bound to work :P But don’t just go whining about how OP it is. If it’s so OP, then you should probably use it, just like how every warrior is practically skullcrack-100b now

Good rangers? Ranger playstyle has barely shifted at all. Its same crap different pile every single meta build the rangers had has been lame as hell. They’ve been 111111111 spamming from day 1 and spirit nerf won’t change that. Get over it and bring some power cleave.

All the other classes benefit from a spirit ranger’s buffs. Being a spirit ranger is not just about killing people, it’s about bringing support for the team. It is completely balanced with other classes.

There are even other classes that take harder to beat 1v1 like necros, warriors and mes. Please stop begging for us to get nerfed. Completely unfair.

if you think spamming 11111 will make you a good spirit ranger, you are hugely mistaken. it takes a lot of dodging and strategy too. ^^,

you have to run this build to understand it. it’s not that easy.

you can even kill more people with the power build with 2 signets and qz than a spirit build. the power build ranger is the one that spams 11111…

Whenever you think you’ve encountered something OP there are steps to follow.

Step 1. Create Profession/Build you consider OP.

Step 2. Get owned.

Step 3. Realise you were wrong.

Step 4. Return to playing the Profession/Build you most enjoy.

Spirits are tough, but balance is much closer than you imply. After the upcoming change to targeting, their effectiveness will be reduced and given a little time, we will be able to properly determine how much they need to be shaved down in excess of whatever other changes come with the patch.

Remember, there are a lot of builds that are really solid in this game, but more importantly, skill is a very significant factor.

A great player running a strong build will always seem catastrophically OP to a bad player running a muddled build.

The only thing ridiculously OP in GW2 at the moment is Perplexity runes. Everything else is all about making little changes to tweak things up or down in addition to ongoing bugfixes.

Please try to run the build you complain about before you pass judgement on it.

Also if you think the build is easy even after that, I’m open to having some duels with you to help “confirm” your skill at spirit ranger.

Ryan.9387:

Please try to run the build you complain about before you pass judgement on it.

Also if you think the build is easy even after that, I’m open to having some duels with you to help “confirm” your skill at spirit ranger.

The spirit ranger build is by far the easiest build to play at an effective level in top ranked matches. Please enlighten me on how it is skillful in anyway. Are you actively reacting to all the passive things going on?

I hate playing versus spirit rangers, every team fight we spend way too much energy on dealing with it. It has decided so many games where we down half of the other team only for the ranger to use his 1 sec cast time res. 1 sec!!!

Everyone in this thread is just scared that their only effective tpvp build is gonna get nerfed and rangers will be out of the meta. I for one wish they’d totally remake the ranger so that their passive builds weren’t the strongest and give the class a higher skill ceiling. Right now you just need to turn up.

WHY Mr. OP you dont ever make a thread like this bout necros?

Every week i see other thread from this guy about something is op or broken. But the Necro (he plays necro^^) is fine and balanced.

lame

Romek.4201:

WHY Mr. OP you dont ever make a thread like this bout necros?

Every week i see other thread from this guy about something is op or broken. But his Necro is fine and balanced.

lame

Maybe you can add to the discussion. Why do you think the spirit res is balanced?

i said this?

and there are much more skill LESS classes/builds atm than a spiritranger – like hammer longbow warrior – most broken class atm

and before you or the other whiners dont played a spiritranger (not only in a hotjoin game) you cant tell us it dont need any skill – you just dont has a clue and only whine about

edit: oh and before it looks like – my main is engi

Romek.4201:

WHY Mr. OP you dont ever make a thread like this bout necros?

Every week i see other thread from this guy about something is op or broken. But the Necro (he plays necro^^) is fine and balanced.

lame

Do you still think necro is OP? Yeh it should be nerfed along with everything else, but necro is probably the 5th most useful class in the game (behind ranger, thief, warrior, guardian) and the 4th most powerful class in the game. If you still think necro is OP then you need to get up to date with the game. It is lame and broken yes, but it isnt OP at all. You can’t be OP and be the 5th (of 8 ) most useful class.

yes i do – i still think necro is op

Lordrosicky.5813:

Romek.4201:

WHY Mr. OP you dont ever make a thread like this bout necros?

Every week i see other thread from this guy about something is op or broken. But the Necro (he plays necro^^) is fine and balanced.

lame

Do you still think necro is OP? Yeh it should be nerfed along with everything else, but necro is probably the 5th most useful class in the game (behind ranger, thief, warrior, guardian) and the 4th most powerful class in the game. If you still think necro is OP then you need to get up to date with the game. It is lame and broken yes, but it isnt OP at all. You can’t be OP and be the 5th (of 8 ) most useful class.

Necro is still dictating the meta, along with S/D thieves.

Not even the appearance of a hard counter ( war) stopped necros from dictating the meta, war appearence made the other condi class ( engi) to disappear but necros were left untouched.

If wars weere dictating the meta, we would see mesmers everywhere ( not that i play, but i can easily assume).

Don’t be silly, necro is still OP as kitten, saying it’s not would simply bring more power creep and we don’t need it.

Anyway, i agree with the OP, spirit ranger needs to disappear.

Wow, Spirit ranger defenders came into this thread just like the petting zoo came into the mid point in foefire map at pax.

But this thread delivers:
“banners being OP”
“it takes a lot of dodging and strategy too.” Yeah guys, because dodging with 1000000 dodges available is totally legit.
This one is at the level of that jon peters quote:
“you have to run this build to understand it. it’s not that easy.” LOL some spirit rangers really think they’re playing an hard spec

PeepMeDown.5017:

Ryan.9387:

Please try to run the build you complain about before you pass judgement on it.

Also if you think the build is easy even after that, I’m open to having some duels with you to help “confirm” your skill at spirit ranger.

The spirit ranger build is by far the easiest build to play at an effective level in top ranked matches. Please enlighten me on how it is skillful in anyway. Are you actively reacting to all the passive things going on?

I hate playing versus spirit rangers, every team fight we spend way too much energy on dealing with it. It has decided so many games where we down half of the other team only for the ranger to use his 1 sec cast time res. 1 sec!!!

Everyone in this thread is just scared that their only effective tpvp build is gonna get nerfed and rangers will be out of the meta. I for one wish they’d totally remake the ranger so that their passive builds weren’t the strongest and give the class a higher skill ceiling. Right now you just need to turn up.

Ok. Duel me then running spirit ranger. Coming from whatever class you play to spirits, you should be godlike.

Chances are you won’t duel any other ranger though. It would hurt your ego too hard to lose to the “easiest” build.

Anytime ranger is efficient it will be QQ’d about endlessly. We can’t have rangers being efficient.

Also, the assumption that ranger is easy to play has been disproven time and time again. If it’s so easy to play, why do so many struggle with it? Why do so many let their pets die or ignore the pets completely? Think about that.

PeepMeDown.5017:

The spirit ranger build is by far the easiest build to play at an effective level in top ranked matches. Please enlighten me on how it is skillful in anyway. Are you actively reacting to all the passive things going on?

I hate playing versus spirit rangers, every team fight we spend way too much energy on dealing with it. It has decided so many games where we down half of the other team only for the ranger to use his 1 sec cast time res. 1 sec!!!

Everyone in this thread is just scared that their only effective tpvp build is gonna get nerfed and rangers will be out of the meta. I for one wish they’d totally remake the ranger so that their passive builds weren’t the strongest and give the class a higher skill ceiling. Right now you just need to turn up.

Just take a spirit ranger with your team to even out the fight. Your complaints have no substance. A spirit ranger alone cannot decide the victory of the match, teamwork does.

It is like playing a match with no guardian nor a decent warrior bunker on your team. All classes have their own roles in a tpvp match.

Talking sense into spirit rangers is just like talking to a rock. There’s a reason they’re playing spirit rangers.

ahuba.6430:

Talking sense into spirit rangers is just like talking to a rock. There’s a reason they’re playing spirit rangers.

The reason I run a spirit build is to bring support to my team, thus achieving victory. If I wish to bring down more people, I’d run a power build because it can be tanky too with the Signet of Stone and a lot more evasive with the Signet of the Hunt.

A spirit ranger has a lot of toughness and can get a huge hp with the right trinkets but without our spirits our damage is lower than mediocre. If you want to control a spirit ranger, you need to kite our spirits. They suffer a lot from an ele’s aoe.

You guys are just crying because you cant beat a spirit ranger due to lack of knowledge.

Don’t blame Spirit Ranger’s that you can’t beat them, there are so many build’s and classes destroying Spirit Ranger’s. It’s your fault you need to learn your class better and understand how Spirit Ranger better.

Also the worst type of Spirit Ranger is one that Spam’s, unlike most of you who think it’s easy to play. If you spam your costing your team, its about being smart.

Do you even understand how a Spirit work’s, you clearly have no idea at all. There are so many problem’s with running Spirit’s don’t blame Spirit Ranger’s for you trying to 1v1 someone when you don’t understand how and if your having problem’s with them in the team fight cause of there elite, then your team and you need to learn how to play. They take a few seconds to take down once up, super easy to interrupt the res skill as well.

Learn to play.

Sol.4310:

Don’t blame Spirit Ranger’s that you can’t beat them, there are so many build’s and classes destroying Spirit Ranger’s. It’s your fault you need to learn your class better and understand how Spirit Ranger better.

Also the worst type of Spirit Ranger is one that Spam’s, unlike most of you who think it’s easy to play. If you spam your costing your team, its about being smart.

Do you even understand how a Spirit work’s, you clearly have no idea at all. There are so many problem’s with running Spirit’s don’t blame Spirit Ranger’s for you trying to 1v1 someone when you don’t understand how and if your having problem’s with them in the team fight cause of there elite, then your team and you need to learn how to play. They take a few seconds to take down once up, super easy to interrupt the res skill as well.

Learn to play.

Of course there are counters to everything, but there’s a serious issue when tpvp teams consist heavily of certain builds which include: some condi necro build, spirit ranger, and stun warrior. Oh yea—a guard too, but at least that class has to sacrifice so much dps for defense unlike the other classes who think having both sustain and sustained dps is totally ok. If I can see 1/10 teams not have a typical build, then sure, it’s a l2p issue but people will always choose the build with the most output.

Or we can name this game to Spirit Wars 2 and we can see who’s the best with the spirit ranger since that’s what it’s coming down to.

Best advice is to quit the game and reenter when its playable. i allrdy see tons of competitive players running around in other games. hard step but totally necessary.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Sol.4310:

Don’t blame Spirit Ranger’s that you can’t beat them, there are so many build’s and classes destroying Spirit Ranger’s. It’s your fault you need to learn your class better and understand how Spirit Ranger better.

Also the worst type of Spirit Ranger is one that Spam’s, unlike most of you who think it’s easy to play. If you spam your costing your team, its about being smart.

Do you even understand how a Spirit work’s, you clearly have no idea at all. There are so many problem’s with running Spirit’s don’t blame Spirit Ranger’s for you trying to 1v1 someone when you don’t understand how and if your having problem’s with them in the team fight cause of there elite, then your team and you need to learn how to play. They take a few seconds to take down once up, super easy to interrupt the res skill as well.

Learn to play.

Of course there are counters to everything, but there’s a serious issue when tpvp teams consist heavily of certain builds which include: some condi necro build, spirit ranger, and stun warrior. Oh yea—a guard too, but at least that class has to sacrifice so much dps for defense unlike the other classes who think having both sustain and sustained dps is totally ok. If I can see 1/10 teams not have a typical build, then sure, it’s a l2p issue but people will always choose the build with the most output.

Or we can name this game to Spirit Wars 2 and we can see who’s the best with the spirit ranger since that’s what it’s coming down to.

You can say what you like, but you have posted life times worth of hate toward’s the ranger, so no matter’s what your always going to find and make something up in your head to try and justify your excuses on the forum’s. Rather then understanding how a class works you would rather complain about it, and learn how to play.

Don’t think once you have even tried to explain something more detail about Spirit’s, bet you never new a Spirit has a sling effect, so when ranger casts his spirit’s active skill he must be standing still or there is high chance the spirit will fling and then casts the the skill missing everything.

Your understanding of a Spirit Ranger is below avg.

ahuba.6430:

Talking sense into spirit rangers is just like talking to a rock. There’s a reason they’re playing spirit rangers.

true that

A spirit ranger is balanced.

For sure, if you suck playing on your own class, you will serve as a hapless prey to a spirit ranger. Practice more and you will see that a spirit ranger isn’t that tough at all.

I agree that this build is tough to beat but it’s definitely not OP.

What I find amusing is that the same people who hate on spirit rangers are the same people who hate on stun warriors, the one class that can reliably kill them.

The way I see it it’s a bit like Rock-Paper-Scissor. Warrior kills spirit ranger, mesmer/thief kills warrior, spirits kill mesmer. The problem is I don’t see a ton of mesmers atm. It’s not like they are that weak, yes they are very weak to condi spam but the popularity of warrior has led to condi spam being much less frequent.

I dont think that Rangers are defending Spirits Rangers..Buts its complicated, its not just a nerf and here you go..You have to have an alternative solution, and believe me if there was a build as effective as the spirit Ranger out there, nobody would play Spirit Ranger..
If spirit Rangers are getting nerfed Rangers will be underpowered.

The ideal situation will be for Rangers to have the option of Spirit Ranger and keep other builds in line.The Spirits are monopolizing and thats what hurts everyone..Not the build itself

Sol.4310:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Sol.4310:

Don’t blame Spirit Ranger’s that you can’t beat them, there are so many build’s and classes destroying Spirit Ranger’s. It’s your fault you need to learn your class better and understand how Spirit Ranger better.

Also the worst type of Spirit Ranger is one that Spam’s, unlike most of you who think it’s easy to play. If you spam your costing your team, its about being smart.

Do you even understand how a Spirit work’s, you clearly have no idea at all. There are so many problem’s with running Spirit’s don’t blame Spirit Ranger’s for you trying to 1v1 someone when you don’t understand how and if your having problem’s with them in the team fight cause of there elite, then your team and you need to learn how to play. They take a few seconds to take down once up, super easy to interrupt the res skill as well.

Learn to play.

Of course there are counters to everything, but there’s a serious issue when tpvp teams consist heavily of certain builds which include: some condi necro build, spirit ranger, and stun warrior. Oh yea—a guard too, but at least that class has to sacrifice so much dps for defense unlike the other classes who think having both sustain and sustained dps is totally ok. If I can see 1/10 teams not have a typical build, then sure, it’s a l2p issue but people will always choose the build with the most output.

Or we can name this game to Spirit Wars 2 and we can see who’s the best with the spirit ranger since that’s what it’s coming down to.

You can say what you like, but you have posted life times worth of hate toward’s the ranger, so no matter’s what your always going to find and make something up in your head to try and justify your excuses on the forum’s. Rather then understanding how a class works you would rather complain about it, and learn how to play.

Don’t think once you have even tried to explain something more detail about Spirit’s, bet you never new a Spirit has a sling effect, so when ranger casts his spirit’s active skill he must be standing still or there is high chance the spirit will fling and then casts the the skill missing everything.

Your understanding of a Spirit Ranger is below avg.

Yes I agree that I do write a lot of hate on the mechanics of rangers. However, I do actually try these builds and also try to overcome them using a variety of non-meta builds. I know how this class works, and to save me the trouble of having to go into detail, this class is passive and annoying—even more so with spirits.

And I never said the spirit ranger can’t be played at a skilled level. It’s an easy class to play but also has high potential, so for those players who go above and beyond and master the timing and the placements it makes it even more frustrating to have to deal with.

I think your understanding of a spirit ranger is below average if you really think this build is balanced. And don’t go telling me the newbies who pick up spirit rangers to give an edge for their team don’t know any better and just pick it up because they don’t want to figure out better builds. I’m pretty sure it’s not that hard to see that they have an edge compared to other support roles in a team comp.

Just like it’s not hard to see that metaknight is a imbalanced character in Super Smash. Just like it’s not hard to see that Sentinel was an imbalanced character in MvC3 in the beginning before being patched.
Just like it’s not hard that Akuma has an edge over a majority of other characters in the SF roster. Except Capcom did it right because you still see other characters being chosen because the amount of advantage playing Akuma gives you is negligible.

The amount of ignorance in some people is amazing to say the least.

Dardamaniac.1295:

I dont think that Rangers are defending Spirits Rangers..Buts its complicated, its not just a nerf and here you go..You have to have an alternative solution, and believe me if there was a build as effective as the spirit Ranger out there, nobody would play Spirit Ranger..
If spirit Rangers are getting nerfed Rangers will be underpowered.

The ideal situation will be for Rangers to have the option of Spirit Ranger and keep other builds in line.The Spirits are monopolizing and thats what hurts everyone..Not the build itself

But then you have to worry about a power creep if we want to make other ranger builds viable (and I’ve seen some pretty good BM builds still). I don’t think what people want is to kill the class, but tone it down a bit more. Maybe the tab target fix will be the small toning we need? Who knows. But at the moment it’s definitely past the threshold of negligibly imbalanced. Honestly, I love playing my guard, but if he ever had a build that was complained about from numerous accounts with valid arguments I’d rather he have no builds that are viable than 1 that’s OP. It’s called honor not pride.

Lordrosicky.5813:

The res is boring, OP and lame. Aoe healing signet. Full condi cleanse, massive res of often 2 players on a tiny cast time. Only 180 cooldown on the skill.

Man it is just so OP.

Other spirits also OP and boring. 1 spam. Literally no skill. It is is the definition of no skill. Stand in healing spring and spam 1 = wins alot.

Can’t see a thing amongst all the BS they do. They block your attacks.

It is lame AND overpowered. But mainly lame. The res spirit just demoralises me everytime I see it.

Please just delete AI specs. Make it totally unviable with a huge nerf.

Then good rangers can shine again and Ai clutter and lameness can go away.

as i know from your last qq topics you play most time necromancer, im right?

and you seriously cant handle a spirit ranger with this?
go and delete this game pls, if this is true

Time to give some major boost to power rangers specs, especially LB and shiftboring melee condition ranger meta.

ensoriki.5789:

Good rangers? Ranger playstyle has barely shifted at all. Its same crap different pile every single meta build the rangers had has been lame as hell. They’ve been 111111111 spamming from day 1 and spirit nerf won’t change that. Get over it and bring some power cleave.

The interesting thing about Most posts concerning the Spirit Ranger is most come down to some noob whining “They just spam the 1 key all day long”

Completely Ignoring the fact that if you run something like Axe/Torch and Sword/Dagger, you actually don’t use your auto attack all that often.

Its only with something like shortbow does auto attack get used most of the time, But at the same time, a Ranger will use everyone of his Shortbow Abilities in a fight.

I think why people don’t notice this though is simply because all the animations are virtually the same except the Evade and the Poison Arrow….They’re also not high damage like for example 100b..

All the Shots are basically the same damage as the auto attack, There is no shot that is actually more damage then the auto attack. If for example, The Cripple + Bleed Attack did vastly more damage and had a unique Animation you’d probably have less whines about people getting killed by the 1 Spam (Despite it actually not being really any different from any other class and spamming their 1 key)

If noskilled builds where Ai does the job must exist… make them extremely mediocore. Easy to play, can wreck noobs, can support the team, but nothing else.

Valentin.2073:

A spirit ranger is balanced.

For sure, if you suck playing on your own class, you will serve as a hapless prey to a spirit ranger. Practice more and you will see that a spirit ranger isn’t that tough at all.

I agree that this build is tough to beat but it’s definitely not OP.

LOOOL a spirit ranger telling other to learn to play their class LOOOOL
Spirit rangers aren’t op overall, only the nature spirit is. The thing people complain about is that it’s the most faceroll class I have ever seen in the mmos I(and most people) have played.

I think the %chance to trigger incentivizes spamming because the more attacks you make, the higher chance to trigger

If it occured after a certain # of attacks and then goes on cooldown for 10s, there is a guaranteed way to trigger it but it has to be timed right to work in the ranger’s favor

And Natures Renewal should be like Toss Elixir R rather than an instant thingy

Rangers are one of the worst designed classes along with mesmers. Too AI driven. I don’t know how you can claim you want a game with a fairly high skill cap and have classes that you can build in a way where mainly AI driven pets are at least half the class effectiveness if not more. There will be more spirit nerfs A-net rarely nerfs in one fell swoop.

Kwll.1468:

Rangers are one of the worst designed classes along with mesmers. Too AI driven. I don’t know how you can claim you want a game with a fairly high skill cap and have classes that you can build in a way where mainly AI driven pets are at least half the class effectiveness if not more. There will be more spirit nerfs A-net rarely nerfs in one fell swoop.

Except phantasm mesmer is a piece of kitten.

Lordrosicky.5813:

The res is boring, OP and lame. Aoe healing signet. Full condi cleanse, massive res of often 2 players on a tiny cast time. Only 180 cooldown on the skill.

Man it is just so OP.

Other spirits also OP and boring. 1 spam. Literally no skill. It is is the definition of no skill. Stand in healing spring and spam 1 = wins alot.

Can’t see a thing amongst all the BS they do. They block your attacks.

It is lame AND overpowered. But mainly lame. The res spirit just demoralises me everytime I see it.

Please just delete AI specs. Make it totally unviable with a huge nerf.

Then good rangers can shine again and Ai clutter and lameness can go away.

I think this is QQ thread number 12 or 13 for you? I’ve lost count.