Guild Wars 2

Annabel.5127:

3. This leads me to my next point, for whatever reason losing to top tier players makes you lose ALOT of mmr, i haven’t experienced this personally on this account as I have been within the top 5 fairly steadily, but I have heard lower ranked people can lose anywhere from 50-70 rank points for losing to top 5 players. This doesn’t make sense honestly and feels really unfriendly towards lower ranked players because of the amount of games they will have to win to climb back up again. If anything losing to top players should make you lose LESS points instead of more, if you yourself are lower.

I agree completely on this. It makes more sense to lose less MMR if you lost a game to players who were rated higher than you, especially if they were a lot higher than you. Conversely you should only lose a lot of MMR on a loss if you lost to players who were ranked far below you.

Yea, I don’t understand how I can lose to two proleague players who are like 200 ranks above mine and lose 40 rating, and on top of that their team was stacked with two duo queues, while mine was all completely solo queuers. But overall the system is getting there, just needs a few adjustments here and there.

They also need to handle server crashes better. If no one is left in the match online it needs to cancel.

I and many others can resonate with this sentiment.

basicly on your point 3, anet wants us to win at least 2 games just to recover from losing 1 game. this is how dota and lol works. my biggest concern is MM, although its not bad i still see the big diff in exp players VS no so exp players. fought 2 duo and a random of top 20 players while i was team w/ people in top 60+ 2000MMr VS 1800MMr. also they need to split the 2 duo equally in both teams.

The system would be great for premades. Doesn’t work for solo queue players where how well you play doesn’t matter.

sure duoq seems sooooooo gud, try soloq and you will want to quit after 3 matches.

the rating loss and gain seems VERY wonky right now to say the least.

Meh I’m okay with being placed in high gold as long as my matches are fair. And so far, depending on the time of day I play (avoid prime time like the plague i tells ya!) it’s been pretty fair. And I’ve been enjoying my time, even though that one guy in my last match started cleaving when he clearly could’ve stomped and we would have won that 2v2!!!!!! #stillsalty

Anyway, I think win streaks should definitely play a part in the system. For instance it should multiply the speed in which your rating progresses. Something like x 0.5 more rating for every win after 2 wins.

cant even play for fun anymore cause you are forced to get 3 noobs on your team every time

i think id love this system if i was top10 also.

agreed 100% with the points made by Kat, especially regarding the Skyhammer map.. So annoying to play as thief on that map.

I don’t think anyone should have started in legend, it should have been Bronze, Silver and Gold. After that people should work on progressing to Legend.

Right now a lot of people instant jumped to legend or platinum, what if someone start at the end of the season and end up in platinum or legend? That doesn’t seem fair imo.

Emtiarbi.3281:

I don’t think anyone should have started in legend, it should have been Bronze, Silver and Gold. After that people should work on progressing to Legend.

Right now a lot of people instant jumped to legend or platinum, what if someone start at the end of the season and end up in platinum or legend? That doesn’t seem fair imo.

in NA only about 5 or so people started in legend, though some people started pretty close.

If you basically started at Legendary how can it “feel prestigious to earn it”?

This system is abysmal if you don’t ace your placement matches. Nothing but casuals looking to farm pips regardless of win/lose. Not even remotely competitive play.

But hey, at least 250 players get to have fun…

hackks.3687:

If you basically started at Legendary how can it “feel prestigious to earn it”?

This system is abysmal if you don’t ace your placement matches. Nothing but casuals looking to farm pips regardless of win/lose. Not even remotely competitive play.

But hey, at least 250 players get to have fun…

“lulz just git gud! quit being a sore loser” Is what i’m sure someone is going to tell you, but not me because i am currently stuck in the joke that is bronze divistion, with absolutely no way of escaping!

spartan.9421:

hackks.3687:

If you basically started at Legendary how can it “feel prestigious to earn it”?

This system is abysmal if you don’t ace your placement matches. Nothing but casuals looking to farm pips regardless of win/lose. Not even remotely competitive play.

But hey, at least 250 players get to have fun…

“lulz just git gud! quit being a sore loser” Is what i’m sure someone is going to tell you, but not me because i am currently stuck in the joke that is bronze divistion, with absolutely no way of escaping!

I’m in the same boat. Lost my first 3 matches which is apparently the most important three matches you will ever play regarding your score. I went 4-3 after that to finish 4-6 and got stuck in bronze at 954.

Recently I won 7 games straight and managed to go up a whooping 80-85 points. I figure at that rate if I win the next 40 straight I might make it to 1500.

Good thing I was mostly after the ascended armor or this would be unbearable. But.. it would have been nice to not have my score decided so early based on (un)luck of the draw my first three matches.

TheMountain.6204:

spartan.9421:

hackks.3687:

If you basically started at Legendary how can it “feel prestigious to earn it”?

This system is abysmal if you don’t ace your placement matches. Nothing but casuals looking to farm pips regardless of win/lose. Not even remotely competitive play.

But hey, at least 250 players get to have fun…

“lulz just git gud! quit being a sore loser” Is what i’m sure someone is going to tell you, but not me because i am currently stuck in the joke that is bronze divistion, with absolutely no way of escaping!

I’m in the same boat. Lost my first 3 matches which is apparently the most important three matches you will ever play regarding your score. I went 4-3 after that to finish 4-6 and got stuck in bronze at 954.

Recently I won 7 games straight and managed to go up a whooping 80-85 points. I figure at that rate if I win the next 40 straight I might make it to 1500.

Good thing I was mostly after the ascended armor or this would be unbearable. But.. it would have been nice to not have my score decided so early based on (un)luck of the draw my first three matches.

I lost my first 8 matches for the mandatory matches that decided my rating.
also, 7 games in a row? very nice! I hope you make it out of bronze.

As a top MMR player myself I agreed completely with what katsumi said especially about the placement matches, I placed mid gold but get out of it within 3 games and got into top 10 (for like 20 mins then I logged off and 20 mins later I’m #12 FeelsBadMan )

The system is working definitely in my opinion. It is flaw in some aspects however with time it will work out. The complains atm are mostly from people who delude themselves into thinking theyre better than they truly are and they just need to accept that if you’re truly good. Then you’ll get Top 50 and Legendary.

I somehow managed to place in the top 5 after my placement matches (won 9 lost 1). Not really sure how I feel about that because I know I’m not good enough to be here at all. Now I’m really hesitant to play more matches because I’m probably going to get beat down to low /mid plat (where I probably belong) and that just won’t be fun to lose so many matches in a row.

Honestly I’d have preferred to have started low so I could climb instead of starting off high and being expected to fall.

However I’m also considering just playing once every 3 days and see how high I can end at.

Yeah just me, some PvE scrub who played auramancer during S1/2 coming back to get more shinies.

direx.8207:

I somehow managed to place in the top 5 after my placement matches (won 9 lost 1). Not really sure how I feel about that because I know I’m not good enough to be here at all. Now I’m really hesitant to play more matches because I’m probably going to get beat down to low /mid plat (where I probably belong) and that just won’t be fun to lose so many matches in a row.

Honestly I’d have preferred to have started low so I could climb instead of starting off high and being expected to fall.

However I’m also considering just playing once every 3 days and see how high I can end at.

i like what you are doing, get those titles!!!!!!!!!

Annabel.5127:

I really LOVE this new system, it feels incredibly fun and rewarding, competing for top 10 makes the games really competitive and allowing only solo or duo was a great change as it means that you can’t be carried to high MMR by a 3+ queue.
There are a few issues

1. Skyhammer, while infrequently voted for, this map caters too heavily to necro or DH comps, and is horrible for thief and revenant. The jump pads need a nerf and no port spots need to be fixed if this map is left in ranked rotation. I main thief but will usually swap to necro or DH if I get this map and it shouldn’t be like that.

2. Double duo q’s vs solo queues. I think to make the game more solo queue friendly if there are 2 duo queues and 6 solo queues put one duo on each team, to minimize the chance that solo queuer’s will have a near impossible game against two organized duos.

3. This leads me to my next point, for whatever reason losing to top tier players makes you lose ALOT of mmr, i haven’t experienced this personally on this account as I have been within the top 5 fairly steadily, but I have heard lower ranked people can lose anywhere from 50-70 rank points for losing to top 5 players. This doesn’t make sense honestly and feels really unfriendly towards lower ranked players because of the amount of games they will have to win to climb back up again. If anything losing to top players should make you lose LESS points instead of more, if you yourself are lower.

4. Placement matches – your placement matches are THE most important games as they can determine whether you start at 1700 or 1900, and looking through the top leader boards i see a lot of top tier players who are stuck in mid plat because they may have gotten unluckier placement games. As I said before I personally haven’t experienced this issue as I was placed around 1850 and climbed to 2000 but I have alot of friends who feel like they have to put in way more effort than I do just to come close to top 20. Some improvement to this system could make vying for top 10 far more competitive than it already is and I would personally like to see skilled players have a better chance to climb to the top.

All in all, I cant speak enough to what an improvement this is over the past ranked systems. Legendary rank is pretigious, and earning it feels good, it isn’t awarded to anyone who grinds or gets carried so there is actual meaning. The top 3 titles will encourage players to continue to be competitive and to stay on top especially near the end of the season when people start to get burned out on ranked queues, and decay works to the same effect.

Thanks for reading and i’d love to hear others thoughts on this as well

— Not Kat

I agree with what you wrote but i just like to point out. You are very critical of the season.

1- Skyhammer sucks and guess what nothing has changed it.

2-It should be solo que only why is duo que a thing?

3/4- Yeah the placement guys are something but i think everyone can agree this league set up is much better then the other one.

Did go 6:4 in placement, landed silver, won the next then lost 5. Felt like enemy teams were straight better in holding the teams together. Felt like i can´t make the diffrence :-(.
But now points get lower. How can i get up from about 1k points now ? Assuming i will be slighly above 50% when i am better then 1k points (and don´t tell me i can win 80% when i am better unless oponets totally suck…) i will need hundreds of matchs to get to gold ??

1. agree with skyhammer, the whole no valid path bug that has been plaguing this map for years was never fixed and as thief main i really hated Anet’s decision to add it back to ranked. Pretty clear they don’t even test out things with thief class (look at LS, look at new maps, fractals, raids).

2. double duoq vs full solo really shouldn’t be a thing

3. I faced rank 1 player with his duo partner yesterday, we won but the points gain was so minimal despite him and his friend being 300 pts above us………..

I sill see major issue in class stacking being a thing. Considering balancing team adjusts classes around NON-class stacking, stacking of some classes on same team leads to really lopsided and unenjoyable games. Certainly, we can reroll (if we can) BUT 1. it is work around poor decisions from dev team 2. i may be able to reroll but i can’t force other players to do so. Anet really needs to decide on their politics: either they stop balancing classes around non-stacking or they prevent class stacking. I would rather have longer queue times than have 3 thieves on my team vs 3 DHs on enemies.

Being someone still going for the back piece, I’m not thrilled with this season. Having to use 3 Professions is killing my rating.

The only people who don’t realize that this new pvp system is incredibly flawed are the ones who haven’t been screwed over by this new system. (And, no, I’m not saying this because i am bad at the game, and no, i do not need to “git gud” the new system needs to “git gud”).

I’ve talked with players who don’t know left from right end up in gold or plat due to getting lucky on their first 10 rating matches, and i know people who end up in bottom tier bronze when they should be much higher due to getting unlucky in the first 10 rating matches. People need to quit saying the this new system is great just because they didn’t get screwed over by it. (Oh but I’m sure nobody is going to listen to me because I’m actually being honest about the system and pointing out that it’s flawed!)

Here’s the thing; if someone who PvPs on a daily bases and knows the ins and outs of every map, knows the rotations like the back of their hand, and is generally good at all things PvP, yet still gets stuck in bronze and unable to leave while NEW PLAYERS get instantly put into silver, something is definitely wrong.

And the fact that there are no team queues the whole system is less about skill and more about luck. Basically it boils down to if you get lucky enough to have teammates who aren’t completely incompetent and will actually communicate. Sure, gold tier and up might not be like that, but the other tiers are.

Good PvPers who genuinely want to improve and want to climb the ranks simply can’t unless they get lucky, and people don’t realize that! A good player can only carry so much when the odds are stacked so high against them.

xKratos.4758:

As a top MMR player myself I agreed completely with what katsumi said especially about the placement matches, I placed mid gold but get out of it within 3 games and got into top 10 (for like 20 mins then I logged off and 20 mins later I’m #12 FeelsBadMan )

The system is working definitely in my opinion. It is flaw in some aspects however with time it will work out. The complains atm are mostly from people who delude themselves into thinking theyre better than they truly are and they just need to accept that if you’re truly good. Then you’ll get Top 50 and Legendary.

As someone with a 1068 rating on silver, I agree. This is a fair system. Keep it.

direx.8207:

I somehow managed to place in the top 5 after my placement matches (won 9 lost 1). Not really sure how I feel about that because I know I’m not good enough to be here at all. Now I’m really hesitant to play more matches because I’m probably going to get beat down to low /mid plat (where I probably belong) and that just won’t be fun to lose so many matches in a row.

Honestly I’d have preferred to have started low so I could climb instead of starting off high and being expected to fall.

However I’m also considering just playing once every 3 days and see how high I can end at.

Here I see a flaw: leaderboard decay. You are textbook proof of it, direx. If you aced placement and got into the top of the leaderboards, you just need to win one game every three days to keep it. You’re in a comfortable position.

To this, I suggest CONSTANT leaderboard decay at the highest levels. No 3 days. You have to constantly fight to keep your position at the top. You go 1 day without pvp, you DROP. Period. You can even have levels of decay the lower you go down the ladder, all the way to bronze.

JTGuevara.9018:

direx.8207:

I somehow managed to place in the top 5 after my placement matches (won 9 lost 1). Not really sure how I feel about that because I know I’m not good enough to be here at all. Now I’m really hesitant to play more matches because I’m probably going to get beat down to low /mid plat (where I probably belong) and that just won’t be fun to lose so many matches in a row.

Honestly I’d have preferred to have started low so I could climb instead of starting off high and being expected to fall.

However I’m also considering just playing once every 3 days and see how high I can end at.

Here I see a flaw: leaderboard decay. You are textbook proof of it, direx. If you aced placement and got into the top of the leaderboards, you just need to win one game every three days to keep it. You’re in a comfortable position.

To this, I suggest CONSTANT leaderboard decay at the highest levels. No 3 days. You have to constantly fight to keep your position at the top. You go 1 day without pvp, you DROP. Period. You can even have levels of decay the lower you go down the ladder, all the way to bronze.

Of course it’s a little flawed but there are a few things at least I personally think should be considered.
1) As you can see MMR ratings are still heavily going up on the top to even if you placed high at the very beginning players will gradually push you down.
2) Even if you are only playing one match every 3 days, if you don’t have the skill to play on this level and get crushed every single game that is still at least 20 games you’d have to play and get rekt in until the end of the season.
3) How much does it really matter for you? I mean sure it is somewhat unfair for these people but what do they really get? A title and 20 AP’s for literally not playing PvP the entire season while you play every day and get the pip rewards.
4) Shouldn’t the main focus right now be to get good and balanced matches? That is what true competitive players should care about. And you should want to be teamed with and against similarily skilled players to get the most fun out of the matches. If there is one or two guys camping the leaderboard, who cares? You won’t see them, won’t play against them, all you will experience is an improved (tho debatable to which degree cough cough) matchmaking and more balanced and fun matches.

That seems like a fair compromise considering only a handful of people willing to exploit the system will get a meaningless title to inflate their ego while getting crushed in any skillful aspect of the game.

Speaking as someone who got royally kittened by team mates AFKing, or being the first time pvping while I was doing my placement matches. The top end might be good, but the bottom is kittening aids.

Entenkommando.5208:

JTGuevara.9018:

direx.8207:

I somehow managed to place in the top 5 after my placement matches (won 9 lost 1). Not really sure how I feel about that because I know I’m not good enough to be here at all. Now I’m really hesitant to play more matches because I’m probably going to get beat down to low /mid plat (where I probably belong) and that just won’t be fun to lose so many matches in a row.

Honestly I’d have preferred to have started low so I could climb instead of starting off high and being expected to fall.

However I’m also considering just playing once every 3 days and see how high I can end at.

Here I see a flaw: leaderboard decay. You are textbook proof of it, direx. If you aced placement and got into the top of the leaderboards, you just need to win one game every three days to keep it. You’re in a comfortable position.

To this, I suggest CONSTANT leaderboard decay at the highest levels. No 3 days. You have to constantly fight to keep your position at the top. You go 1 day without pvp, you DROP. Period. You can even have levels of decay the lower you go down the ladder, all the way to bronze.

Of course it’s a little flawed but there are a few things at least I personally think should be considered.
1) As you can see MMR ratings are still heavily going up on the top to even if you placed high at the very beginning players will gradually push you down.
2) Even if you are only playing one match every 3 days, if you don’t have the skill to play on this level and get crushed every single game that is still at least 20 games you’d have to play and get rekt in until the end of the season.
3) How much does it really matter for you? I mean sure it is somewhat unfair for these people but what do they really get? A title and 20 AP’s for literally not playing PvP the entire season while you play every day and get the pip rewards.
4) Shouldn’t the main focus right now be to get good and balanced matches? That is what true competitive players should care about. And you should want to be teamed with and against similarily skilled players to get the most fun out of the matches. If there is one or two guys camping the leaderboard, who cares? You won’t see them, won’t play against them, all you will experience is an improved (tho debatable to which degree cough cough) matchmaking and more balanced and fun matches.

That seems like a fair compromise considering only a handful of people willing to exploit the system will get a meaningless title to inflate their ego while getting crushed in any skillful aspect of the game.

Your first point is what I considered the most.

You’re right, players are moving up so the leaderboard is in flux. It’s very early in the season. Those that move up have a direct effect on those already up there, especially if they didn’t play much. They will fall naturally as others advance. It’s possible that what I suggest might not even be needed at all! :P

my concern is moving up is very slow regarless of your skill. So bad placement = grinding up.

I still don’t understand how people can say this season system is worse than previous.

People were complaining that they couldn’t get rewards because of the +1 win -1 loss of previous seasons. Now we get reward tracks whether we win or lose.

People wanted a more representative scoring system to know who was actually carrying in matches. Now we do.

People wanted an actual leaderboard with a MMR style Rating and no safety net so players can see who really is good as opposed to grinding. We got that.

People complained (me included) that they didn’t like being farmed by premades when playing solo. We got that.

Heck we can even get ascended armor now.

I haven’t played too many games yet but so far the structure of the system and my matches have been enjoyable.

Maybe in a week or two i might change my mind but it wont be because of the system structure/intent of ANET. Many factors can affect that . From lazy team mates, DCs, AFKers, PVE scrubs just getting awards.

it´s good. Should have been like that earlier to get the flaws out by now ^^.

spartan.9421:

The only people who don’t realize that this new pvp system is incredibly flawed are the ones who haven’t been screwed over by this new system. (And, no, I’m not saying this because i am bad at the game, and no, i do not need to “git gud” the new system needs to “git gud”).

I’ve talked with players who don’t know left from right end up in gold or plat due to getting lucky on their first 10 rating matches, and i know people who end up in bottom tier bronze when they should be much higher due to getting unlucky in the first 10 rating matches. People need to quit saying the this new system is great just because they didn’t get screwed over by it. (Oh but I’m sure nobody is going to listen to me because I’m actually being honest about the system and pointing out that it’s flawed!)

Here’s the thing; if someone who PvPs on a daily bases and knows the ins and outs of every map, knows the rotations like the back of their hand, and is generally good at all things PvP, yet still gets stuck in bronze and unable to leave while NEW PLAYERS get instantly put into silver, something is definitely wrong.

And the fact that there are no team queues the whole system is less about skill and more about luck. Basically it boils down to if you get lucky enough to have teammates who aren’t completely incompetent and will actually communicate. Sure, gold tier and up might not be like that, but the other tiers are.

Good PvPers who genuinely want to improve and want to climb the ranks simply can’t unless they get lucky, and people don’t realize that! A good player can only carry so much when the odds are stacked so high against them.

Btw, Kat/OP you can not judge an entire season TWO days after it comes out, especially when you get lucky enough to skip bronze, silver, and half of gold.

So what you’re saying is, we should do away with the placement matches because random queues aren’t an accurate representation of skill no matter how you slice it, and have people climb from bronze instead?

I can dig that.

It would still be a fair system. People who are bad will get stuck at some point and good players will win more often than not. Would actually make the climb to legend more like a fight.

Dirame.8521:

So what you’re saying is, we should do away with the placement matches because random queues aren’t an accurate representation of skill no matter how you slice it, and have people climb from bronze instead?

I can dig that.

It would still be a fair system. People who are bad will get stuck at some point and good players will win more often than not. Would actually make the climb to legend more like a fight.

Except they did that in Season 1 (or was it 2 also) and the rivers of tears from Ambers complaining they were matched against ESL players were biblical. Also Pro players complained it was boring having to stomp ambers just to get to their correct division.

Spartacus.3192:

Dirame.8521:

So what you’re saying is, we should do away with the placement matches because random queues aren’t an accurate representation of skill no matter how you slice it, and have people climb from bronze instead?

I can dig that.

It would still be a fair system. People who are bad will get stuck at some point and good players will win more often than not. Would actually make the climb to legend more like a fight.

Except they did that in Season 1 (or was it 2 also) and the rivers of tears from Ambers complaining they were matched against ESL players were biblical. Also Pro players complained it was boring having to stomp ambers just to get to their correct division.

So basically can’t win either way. Yeap, this system is good. Let’s leave it at that.

spartan.9421:

TheMountain.6204:

spartan.9421:

hackks.3687:

If you basically started at Legendary how can it “feel prestigious to earn it”?

This system is abysmal if you don’t ace your placement matches. Nothing but casuals looking to farm pips regardless of win/lose. Not even remotely competitive play.

But hey, at least 250 players get to have fun…

“lulz just git gud! quit being a sore loser” Is what i’m sure someone is going to tell you, but not me because i am currently stuck in the joke that is bronze divistion, with absolutely no way of escaping!

I’m in the same boat. Lost my first 3 matches which is apparently the most important three matches you will ever play regarding your score. I went 4-3 after that to finish 4-6 and got stuck in bronze at 954.

Recently I won 7 games straight and managed to go up a whooping 80-85 points. I figure at that rate if I win the next 40 straight I might make it to 1500.

Good thing I was mostly after the ascended armor or this would be unbearable. But.. it would have been nice to not have my score decided so early based on (un)luck of the draw my first three matches.

I lost my first 8 matches for the mandatory matches that decided my rating.
also, 7 games in a row? very nice! I hope you make it out of bronze.

I lost 14, and I’m now out of bronze. Been winning way more than losing, going 3-4 matches before I lose 1.

spartan.9421:

The only people who don’t realize that this new pvp system is incredibly flawed are the ones who haven’t been screwed over by this new system. (And, no, I’m not saying this because i am bad at the game, and no, i do not need to “git gud” the new system needs to “git gud”).

I’ve talked with players who don’t know left from right end up in gold or plat due to getting lucky on their first 10 rating matches, and i know people who end up in bottom tier bronze when they should be much higher due to getting unlucky in the first 10 rating matches. People need to quit saying the this new system is great just because they didn’t get screwed over by it. (Oh but I’m sure nobody is going to listen to me because I’m actually being honest about the system and pointing out that it’s flawed!)

Here’s the thing; if someone who PvPs on a daily bases and knows the ins and outs of every map, knows the rotations like the back of their hand, and is generally good at all things PvP, yet still gets stuck in bronze and unable to leave while NEW PLAYERS get instantly put into silver, something is definitely wrong.

And the fact that there are no team queues the whole system is less about skill and more about luck. Basically it boils down to if you get lucky enough to have teammates who aren’t completely incompetent and will actually communicate. Sure, gold tier and up might not be like that, but the other tiers are.

Good PvPers who genuinely want to improve and want to climb the ranks simply can’t unless they get lucky, and people don’t realize that! A good player can only carry so much when the odds are stacked so high against them.

Are you surprised tho? This was the exact reactions from the community from Seasons 2 to 4. Look what happened. ANet’s PvP community fell so low that they had to concede to this solo and duo queue system.

My guess is this season will determine whither or not. GW2 has a PvP future at all. My initial guess is that. We’ll see a mass exodus of PvPers again to WvW or PvE modes or even at worst case to other PvP games. My belief is because once again this season is about how good your team vs enemy team instead of how good you are vs enemy players.

I’d dare to tell ANet to remodel their conquest to not having a 5v5 capture and hold. But I’ll bet money that the devs and the Leet/lucky PvP players will tell me to go play another game because that’s not what GW2 is about.

JTGuevara.9018:

Entenkommando.5208:

JTGuevara.9018:

direx.8207:

I somehow managed to place in the top 5 after my placement matches (won 9 lost 1). Not really sure how I feel about that because I know I’m not good enough to be here at all. Now I’m really hesitant to play more matches because I’m probably going to get beat down to low /mid plat (where I probably belong) and that just won’t be fun to lose so many matches in a row.

Honestly I’d have preferred to have started low so I could climb instead of starting off high and being expected to fall.

However I’m also considering just playing once every 3 days and see how high I can end at.

Here I see a flaw: leaderboard decay. You are textbook proof of it, direx. If you aced placement and got into the top of the leaderboards, you just need to win one game every three days to keep it. You’re in a comfortable position.

To this, I suggest CONSTANT leaderboard decay at the highest levels. No 3 days. You have to constantly fight to keep your position at the top. You go 1 day without pvp, you DROP. Period. You can even have levels of decay the lower you go down the ladder, all the way to bronze.

Of course it’s a little flawed but there are a few things at least I personally think should be considered.
1) As you can see MMR ratings are still heavily going up on the top to even if you placed high at the very beginning players will gradually push you down.
2) Even if you are only playing one match every 3 days, if you don’t have the skill to play on this level and get crushed every single game that is still at least 20 games you’d have to play and get rekt in until the end of the season.
3) How much does it really matter for you? I mean sure it is somewhat unfair for these people but what do they really get? A title and 20 AP’s for literally not playing PvP the entire season while you play every day and get the pip rewards.
4) Shouldn’t the main focus right now be to get good and balanced matches? That is what true competitive players should care about. And you should want to be teamed with and against similarily skilled players to get the most fun out of the matches. If there is one or two guys camping the leaderboard, who cares? You won’t see them, won’t play against them, all you will experience is an improved (tho debatable to which degree cough cough) matchmaking and more balanced and fun matches.

That seems like a fair compromise considering only a handful of people willing to exploit the system will get a meaningless title to inflate their ego while getting crushed in any skillful aspect of the game.

Your first point is what I considered the most.

You’re right, players are moving up so the leaderboard is in flux. It’s very early in the season. Those that move up have a direct effect on those already up there, especially if they didn’t play much. They will fall naturally as others advance. It’s possible that what I suggest might not even be needed at all! :P

Actually, I take that back. I stick by what I said.

Players can only be pushed down by the system IF they play. I say this because of skill ratings. It’s harder to gain skill rating, but easier to lose it. You need constant leaderboard decay the higher you go up the ladder, ESPECIALLY at the top.

Right now, with the 3 day leaderboard decay, there’s no incentive for the top players except to play once and try to win every 3 days. They’re in comfortable positions. Since they don’t play, the league system can’t push them down if they lose. This makes it harder for players in lower divisions to catch up. The top players might not even be that good, (you even read it straight from one of the top 5, direx) which brings me to…

…placement…

Placement games are pretty much luck. They have a disproportionate amount of influence where you end up in the season. ANet NEEDS to do placement differently for next season. Ten games is just not enough to determine how skilled you are, it distorts the otherwise workable system ANet created.

xKratos.4758:

As a top MMR player myself I agreed completely with what katsumi said especially about the placement matches, I placed mid gold but get out of it within 3 games and got into top 10 (for like 20 mins then I logged off and 20 mins later I’m #12 FeelsBadMan )

The system is working definitely in my opinion. It is flaw in some aspects however with time it will work out. The complains atm are mostly from people who delude themselves into thinking theyre better than they truly are and they just need to accept that if you’re truly good. Then you’ll get Top 50 and Legendary.

You placed Gold Tier 2 (mid gold) then you got to Plat in 3 games? Either your full of kitten or this system is (I think both). I don’t think the complaints are mostly from deluded players gimme a break. Sorry but I would think playing in Gold rank you would have teammates that didn’t play like they just got off the short bus from school.

I know I’m not legendary and I don’t give a crap. I do care to see some time of progression and not just back and forth etc. Even if you win and lose, you still end up losing more since it takes you longer to gain rating back.

I’d say it’s probably around 50/50 for the complaints. Some people have very valid arguments and then come on these forums only to be trolled to get good or told you are garbage when they haven’t even seen you play. The placement system is broken, if it’s 80% luck why bother calling this competitive PvP because it is not.

Another thing is a healthy enough community. Yes PvP tends to be toxic at times, but still all you get is trolled in game or on these forums. TBH this game’s “pvp and eSports” deserves to fail. I honestly pretty much can’t stand a majority of the player base.

Devs have the power to shape the meta yet they are happy with where it stands, and it’s crap. All these cool classes and abilities yet you see the same cookie cutter builds through out ranked. When you get bored of these and decide to do something else you get harassed and called out for being a noob, kitten wasting everyone’s time etc. I swear this community is getting near the level of LoL toxicity in ranked.

ibkillin.9610:

xKratos.4758:

As a top MMR player myself I agreed completely with what katsumi said especially about the placement matches, I placed mid gold but get out of it within 3 games and got into top 10 (for like 20 mins then I logged off and 20 mins later I’m #12 FeelsBadMan )

The system is working definitely in my opinion. It is flaw in some aspects however with time it will work out. The complains atm are mostly from people who delude themselves into thinking theyre better than they truly are and they just need to accept that if you’re truly good. Then you’ll get Top 50 and Legendary.

You placed Gold Tier 2 (mid gold) then you got to Plat in 3 games? Either your full of kitten or this system is (I think both). I don’t think the complaints are mostly from deluded players gimme a break. Sorry but I would think playing in Gold rank you would have teammates that didn’t play like they just got off the short bus from school.

I know I’m not legendary and I don’t give a crap. I do care to see some time of progression and not just back and forth etc. Even if you win and lose, you still end up losing more since it takes you longer to gain rating back.

I’d say it’s probably around 50/50 for the complaints. Some people have very valid arguments and then come on these forums only to be trolled to get good or told you are garbage when they haven’t even seen you play. The placement system is broken, if it’s 80% luck why bother calling this competitive PvP because it is not.

Another thing is a healthy enough community. Yes PvP tends to be toxic at times, but still all you get is trolled in game or on these forums. TBH this game’s “pvp and eSports” deserves to fail. I honestly pretty much can’t stand a majority of the player base.

Devs have the power to shape the meta yet they are happy with where it stands, and it’s crap. All these cool classes and abilities yet you see the same cookie cutter builds through out ranked. When you get bored of these and decide to do something else you get harassed and called out for being a noob, kitten wasting everyone’s time etc. I swear this community is getting near the level of LoL toxicity in ranked.

Uhm, you can check the leaderboard to fact checks me. I am a well known player at “high tier”. Don’t need to type a thesis on the issue dude. I placed ~1500ish and I indeed get out of it within 3 games because I do not belong there. I belong at High Plat/Legendary where I will fluctuate depending on how well I contribute/carry my team.

Also, you only need 200 pts to get out of gold to plat. And I get 87 +79 and +64 on my 3 games out of plats then it sharply drop to +30-3 and +7 now so Yes the system is working. It’s not flawless but it is working. Also, I have to 1v2 and 1v3 on those 3 games while my duoQ partner support the bads in team fight. Just because you cant climb to top 20 doesn’t mean the system is not working.

xKratos.4758:

ibkillin.9610:

xKratos.4758:

As a top MMR player myself I agreed completely with what katsumi said especially about the placement matches, I placed mid gold but get out of it within 3 games and got into top 10 (for like 20 mins then I logged off and 20 mins later I’m #12 FeelsBadMan )

The system is working definitely in my opinion. It is flaw in some aspects however with time it will work out. The complains atm are mostly from people who delude themselves into thinking theyre better than they truly are and they just need to accept that if you’re truly good. Then you’ll get Top 50 and Legendary.

You placed Gold Tier 2 (mid gold) then you got to Plat in 3 games? Either your full of kitten or this system is (I think both). I don’t think the complaints are mostly from deluded players gimme a break. Sorry but I would think playing in Gold rank you would have teammates that didn’t play like they just got off the short bus from school.

I know I’m not legendary and I don’t give a crap. I do care to see some time of progression and not just back and forth etc. Even if you win and lose, you still end up losing more since it takes you longer to gain rating back.

I’d say it’s probably around 50/50 for the complaints. Some people have very valid arguments and then come on these forums only to be trolled to get good or told you are garbage when they haven’t even seen you play. The placement system is broken, if it’s 80% luck why bother calling this competitive PvP because it is not.

Another thing is a healthy enough community. Yes PvP tends to be toxic at times, but still all you get is trolled in game or on these forums. TBH this game’s “pvp and eSports” deserves to fail. I honestly pretty much can’t stand a majority of the player base.

Devs have the power to shape the meta yet they are happy with where it stands, and it’s crap. All these cool classes and abilities yet you see the same cookie cutter builds through out ranked. When you get bored of these and decide to do something else you get harassed and called out for being a noob, kitten wasting everyone’s time etc. I swear this community is getting near the level of LoL toxicity in ranked.

Uhm, you can check the leaderboard to fact checks me. I am a well known player at “high tier”. Don’t need to type a thesis on the issue dude. I placed ~1500ish and I indeed get out of it within 3 games because I do not belong there. I belong at High Plat/Legendary where I will fluctuate depending on how well I contribute/carry my team.

Also, you only need 200 pts to get out of gold to plat. And I get 87 +79 and +64 on my 3 games out of plats then it sharply drop to +30-3 and +7 now so Yes the system is working. It’s not flawless but it is working. Also, I have to 1v2 and 1v3 on those 3 games while my duoQ partner support the bads in team fight. Just because you cant climb to top 20 doesn’t mean the system is not working.

I don’t give a kitten if I’m in the top 20 buddy, I don’t even care if I hit legendary. I also didn’t type a "thesis’. It’s exactly this type of crap above which is why I’m done with this game till the next expansion if I even bother to get that. If the system is working so great why are their so many threads about how bad it is? Ya of course some of it is QQ, but c’mon seriously? Just like past seasons where “everything is working fine” says the ppl who didn’t get the short end of the stick.

Whatever, I’m done with this game.

The system is broken for a lot of players and Anet has once again given the small few the luxury of enjoying themselves and stomp their way past the vast majority. Yet another failure from Anets side to once again introduce a bettering system.

Just vs’d you guys in a duo, #1 and #3 we had nobody even top 100 (?) and I was like #240. Lost 12 rating to you guys in a total 1 sided stomp. Idk man maybe it’s rewarding for you but it feels totally unfair for me, like I lose less sometimes losing to random teams than you guys who have way higher MMR than me.

For reference I have 1730 MMR, you guys have like 2050 which is 320 MMR difference and I lost 12 =/

I feel like you guys up top should be fighting guys up top and not gaining anything from fighting people with 300 MMR diff, I know that if I stomped some random dude in silver as a plat guy I don’t deserve anything.

To be honest, some of you guys seem to come off as having an overinflated ego about your own abilities. If you are really that good enough, you shouldn’t have any issues with climbing up the ladder and hanging with the big boys there. From what I had seen, most people who are on top of the leaderboard are well known pvpers other than a few that may have gotten lucky with placements and didn’t play any more games for the time being (I think ANET should have a minimum number of games played for each season for the player to have their ranking counted). And the fact that they are placing so high up in the leaderboard early on means that they aren’t down at the bottom stomping bronze/silver/gold/platinum players too often and instead competing with one another to get higher which is a good thing.

And wow, I didn’t thought that was possible to still get matched up with legendary players at your current ranking, fishball. That’s really unlucky and painful to lose that much MMR. Hopefully ANET will reduce the MMR loss when you lose against a team with way higher MMR.

Got unlucky with placements…. Now I’m stuck in silver loosing more points from defeat than I can earn from victory. For me is just like1 victory 1 defeat and I’m still going down dosen’t matter if i preform well or not it’s just how lucky I’ll be with the team.

JTGuevara.9018:

Placement games are pretty much luck. They have a disproportionate amount of influence where you end up in the season. ANet NEEDS to do placement differently for next season. Ten games is just not enough to determine how skilled you are, it distorts the otherwise workable system ANet created.

The real question is, do they intentially pit placement players against random players in very high tiers?

After having done the 10 placement games, that’s my only conclusion. I had 7 losses in a row going up against impossible odds. Two of those losses in particular was me doing 20% of total round damage (ie 40% of team) so I was hardly lagging behind in the activity. I’m far from the best player but I really did try. Of course many players will be good enough to overcome those odds – if they do they deserve it.

Then came the very first real round… completely blowout victory, it was stupid easy. Meh. Stupid RNG.

Wildfang.3271:

To be honest, some of you guys seem to come off as having an overinflated ego about your own abilities. If you are really that good enough, you shouldn’t have any issues with climbing up the ladder and hanging with the big boys there. From what I had seen, most people who are on top of the leaderboard are well known pvpers other than a few that may have gotten lucky with placements and didn’t play any more games for the time being (I think ANET should have a minimum number of games played for each season for the player to have their ranking counted). And the fact that they are placing so high up in the leaderboard early on means that they aren’t down at the bottom stomping bronze/silver/gold/platinum players too often and instead competing with one another to get higher which is a good thing.

And wow, I didn’t thought that was possible to still get matched up with legendary players at your current ranking, fishball. That’s really unlucky and painful to lose that much MMR. Hopefully ANET will reduce the MMR loss when you lose against a team with way higher MMR.

Can think I have an ego all you want. Guess I just expect a higher standard of players in GOLD rank because you know it’s called GOLD. So when you go to mid only to be 1v3 or 4 and wonder where your team is only to see them fighting one random Druid or Thief off point, or 2 going far right off the bat, or 3 battling an NPC is that your ego coming into play? Sorry I just call that common sense. Heck I will say a lot of folks maybe don’t know the ins and outs of the pvp system and that’s fine. It’s still on Anet though, they should have better training and tool tips to tell players the rules and the importance of things like decapping, fighting on points, rotating etc… They also need to remove the god kitten daily profession wins, at least for ranked play. Getting folks that don’t even know the class just doing it for a little AP is dumb, but again it’s not their fault it’s Anet’s.