or you could learn how to counter them.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
Have seen a few comments lately about people going into s/tpvp matches where there are no thieves or mesmers and reporting back that it was a lot more fun.
Just wanted to say that I have recently played a few matches in a row where this also happened to me and…wow. Just wow. Suddenly instead of frustration and rage, I was having fun. The matches were all really, really close. Fights were an absolute blast. Everyone enjoyed themselves. I was killed quite a few times but the thing is…I didn’t care. When I was killed, I was killed fair and square and it always felt like I was outplayed and outskilled. When I landed a kill, it was for the same reason.
From now on, I am going to self-select my matches so I can continue to enjoy myself in pvp. If there is more than one of either class, I’m just going to leave the map and find another. It may take a while to find a map, but it’s worth it so I can enjoy the game again.
TL:DR. Hot join can be fun, you just have to do the balancing yourself. Avoid matches containing thieves and mesmers and you can start enjoying yourself in pvp again.
Fighting a mesmer is not a problem, actually it’s a welcome challenge because if you lose is because you’ve outplayed, you can see a mesmer coming and you can see through its tricks.
But thieves are something else, nothing but a bunch of cowards running around in stealth ( shadow refuge, CnD, hide in shadows etc etc), the “high rank” thieves normally sit behind a zerg and call target..then go stealth..and “take credit” for the kill after backstabbing to death the target…after that they really think to be pro..amusing.
The stealth mechanism is really broken and should be removed, substituted with something else like the shadow step from GW1.
It takes 0 skills to go stealth while wearing full berseker armour and then attacking somedoby from the back when he’s fightning somebody else ( because of course cowards will never face you when alone).
At the very least the stealth debuff should be something like 7-10s so thiefs can get punished for failing to kill a target
You know that Mesmers also use stealth, along with playing the peanut shuffle game. I find that more annoying that a short stealth with a burst that can easily be avoided with simple tactical awareness.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
Personally I like fighting Mesmers and Thieves, it is an interesting cat and mouse game trying to bait out certain skills. But of course you have to know what to be looking for. I think this is where most casual players find issues. They don’t go the extra mile to learn their opponent and in that case thieves and mesmers can be very frustrating to play against.
I guess their overabundance in hot join can get old pretty quickly though, but I avoid hot join unless I’m just testing a new build or something. The majority of the playerbase is in hot join though so this is where the devs have to balance catering to casuals and people who know how to play correctly.
You just called people who agree with OP a bunch of noobs who dont know how to play against thieves and mesmers.There is no way that game is actually better without cheap classes like mesmers and thieves?
Players like you are the reason why i dont like MMOs.You comment disgusts me, sir.
You are too emotionally invested in an MMO.
“Society is a madhouse, whose wardens are the police and the officials.”
or you could learn how to counter them.
And then once you learn how to counter them… they remain annoying little prats which only serve to decrease the relative “fun value” of the game for many players.
What people seem to ignore is that when people are talking about it being “more fun” without those classes, much like the thread on which classes are “most annoying”, that it has next to nothing to do with actual power/threat value of said classes but that the mechanics of the classes themselves, win or lose, are simply annoying and “unfun”.
That’s it. No amount of L2P or “learn to counter them” comments changes the fact that the mechanics of those classes themselves simply are annoying and decrease the fun factor for many players.
Blackwater Vanguard
Yaks Bend
or you could learn how to counter them.
And then once you learn how to counter them… they remain annoying little prats which only serve to decrease the relative “fun value” of the game for many players.
What people seem to ignore is that when people are talking about it being “more fun” without those classes, much like the thread on which classes are “most annoying”, that it has next to nothing to do with actual power/threat value of said classes but that the mechanics of the classes themselves, win or lose, are simply annoying and “unfun”.
That’s it. No amount of L2P or “learn to counter them” comments changes the fact that the mechanics of those classes themselves simply are annoying and decrease the fun factor for many players.
And that’s the #1 issue… it’s just not “fun” to fight against a class that can disappear so often, especially with a stealth mechanic that isn’t revealed by… anything. I would even be willing to see stealth last longer, so long as damage to the Thief brought them out of stealth for even longer.
Another similar issue is with NPC pets. They just tend to clutter up what would otherwise be a fun fight, because you spend a lot of your time tabbing through to find the player or switching to click on them personally before you start attacking… it’s just not fun.
That said, neither of these issues are “OP” or “gamebreaking” in my eyes, just a couple of annoying gameplay mechanics that do not seem to fit in how amazing the flow is for PvP in almost every other aspect for me.
Jumzi (Ranger), Tarnished Coast
Necro > Mesmer, provided both are of equal skill level. If you lose to a mesmer, consider yourself outclassed.
I play both, mesmer > necro unless the mesmer is speced pure glass. I drop champion phantoms on my condition mesmer all day.
Xomox ~Human Necro/Engineer ET
or you could learn how to counter them.
And then once you learn how to counter them… they remain annoying little prats which only serve to decrease the relative “fun value” of the game for many players.
What people seem to ignore is that when people are talking about it being “more fun” without those classes, much like the thread on which classes are “most annoying”, that it has next to nothing to do with actual power/threat value of said classes but that the mechanics of the classes themselves, win or lose, are simply annoying and “unfun”.
That’s it. No amount of L2P or “learn to counter them” comments changes the fact that the mechanics of those classes themselves simply are annoying and decrease the fun factor for many players.
This is basically what I was going to say. Most Thieves I’ve encountered are Heartseeker trash cans, and I paste them into the ground. Some Thieves go stealth/survival heavy, and they’re basically impossible to fight. Neither of them are any fun whatsoever to play against.
It’s a completely subjective analysis. I played Forge for about 6 hours as the Assassin class, and now it frustrates me that the Thief stealth mechanic exists in its current incarnation. There’s no required LoS or escape to blow stealth, there’s no punishment for stealthing in AoE, nothing. Pure reward. Sure, you can hit someone in stealth, but the game barely rewards you at all for guessing properly.
It’s very possible ANet doesn’t want what I want, and that’s OK, but it doesn’t make it any less frustrating for me. GW2 is as close as any MMO has come to exactly what I want. It’s palpable. So when some of the mechanics just make me sigh in irritation, it’s felt that much more keenly.
Alduin Nightsong, 80 Human Necro
“He’s like a man with a fork in a world of soup.”
