Guild Wars 2

I have found the Mists to be a more populated place lately. I am neither having any problems queuing up for arenas either.

Those bunkers btw: sweet free kills for my thief

In this thread: “PvP in GW2 isn’t the way I want it, so I believe that it’s not possible for it to be the way anyone wants it and against all evidence, I declare that there is no interest in the current state.”

OP is right tho, yolo Q is full of bunkers. Killing each other takes 3 hours which is not fun.

Couldn’t agree more. It’s now a game of bunker builds dumping AOE’s on points or conditions and hope to outlast opponents. Reall dull.

But again if they would mix and match game modes / objectives; maybe bunkering wouldn’t wouldn’t be of such importance…

more bunkers, yes, but i dont mind them. it’s not that they have both damage and toughness.

Wesley Haaijer.3584:

Hi there,

I’m playing for a year now pvp and what i see lately is that people go bunker their builds. What is fun about that? Always the same builds sorry but pvp is failing. tournament is now 3 to 4 bunker classes.

Decent PvP already died many months ago….acute casual friendly disease…

Wesley Haaijer.3584:

Hi there,

I’m playing for a year now pvp and what i see lately is that people go bunker their builds. What is fun about that? Always the same builds sorry but pvp is failing. tournament is now 3 to 4 bunker classes.

So this makes PvP dead? It’s more alive than it ever has been since launch.

Don’t play solo que, and expect a decent team comp and strategy on top of good communication. Then get angry when your expectations are not met and post junk on the forums generalizing your experience as the experience everyone else has in PvP.

Because there is only 1 game mode, there is a pretty strict meta, the problem with solo que is there is no real strat, and you get what you get in terms of team comp. Most pugs adhere to a bunker home, bunker mid 3 dps roles either all fighting on mid or rotating home and putting pressure on far after mid was won/lost… really just chaos besides home bunker.

This means if you team doesnt get a bunker(s) its insta loss almost every time, so a lot of people que with them to ensure the worst case scenario doesn’t happen as the que doesnt differentiate people on teams based on what role they want to play.

Same if you get 2 decappers and one refuses to step down and help mid/home, or you get all bunkers, or you get morons fighting PU mesmers or MM necros off points dying getting mad and going to the class forums to complain how OP AI specs are disregarding the fact they are playing the game completely wrong.

People who play solo que don’t have the right to complain about things like balance, or the meta. The only valid complaints are the against the system itself, like how 4v5 games are allowed to start, or how there is no role selection , or MMR etc…

Yea there is lots of bunkers or bunkerish spec around but the fight still don’t last that long condi dmg ignores toughness. Glass mesmer, thiefs and eles can still spike down a bunker at 50% health. It really just depends what class you engage a bunker with and what type of bunker you engage.

a t s e.9614:

OP is right tho, yolo Q is full of bunkers. Killing each other takes 3 hours which is not fun.

I prefer taking longer to kill someone then instant killing people in 5 seconds.

Longer fights require more skill and thought – not just fast reflexes to win.

If you want fast kills go play CoD.

yeah, we need power meta back with <1s kills. Oh wait, people complained about that too.

Erm.. IDK the most annoying thing I’ve witnessed so far are condition engies. o.O They certainly aren’t “lacking” in the burst damage compartment…

ronpierce.2760:

Erm.. IDK the most annoying thing I’ve witnessed so far are condition engies. o.O They certainly aren’t “lacking” in the burst damage compartment…

Man gotta love dem engi just had a game where I had 4 engis on my team and I was running Hambow. The enemies where getting tossed around like ping pong balls its hilarious to watch.

Well, simple concept everything has some sort of weakness, but it’s those with the fewest that really shine.

Ah good thread. Feels like its 2012 again. Same story.

Lol glass v glass isn’t skill… A little bit of twitch, but when you see low ranks killing the best players because you can 2 shot someone, that doesn’t fully express skill. TTK needs to not be infinite (like bunkers can frequently cause) and it needs to be long enough for any type of thinking, not lucky dodging and exploiting terrain teleports or packing as many instkittennto a 2 second frame as possible (most zerker builds).

Truth be told, not much in this game at all really requires skill, but saying zerker specifically does is nonsense. 2 shotting anyone is never a skill factor.

ronpierce.2760:

Lol glass v glass isn’t skill… A little bit of twitch, but when you see low ranks killing the best players because you can 2 shot someone, that doesn’t fully express skill. TTK needs to not be infinite (like bunkers can frequently cause) and it needs to be long enough for any type of thinking, not lucky dodging and exploiting terrain teleports or packing as many instkittennto a 2 second frame as possible (most zerker builds).

Truth be told, not much in this game at all really requires skill, but saying zerker specifically does is nonsense. 2 shotting anyone is never a skill factor.

Ah yeah brah, were you watching ToL finals? TCG runnning dat meta d/d zerk thief. Sizer just running around 2 shotting the other teams DPS. Freaking epic man XD

oh wait, wrong game. You must of been watching the Tournement of Masterworks, Keyboard Turners vs Clickers n’ nose pickers semi finals. Ya Xx_Weed_Master_X on his thief 2 shotting Dank_Lord all game by his spawn until he left the game. Now that was EPIC. Truly Anet should watch that game a couple times just to see how OP thief really is.

Avoiding punishing attacks does requires fast reflexes. Bunker vs bunker is a fight of autoattacks and random dodges because there’s no burst to avoid.

I run in circles like a crazy as bunker war/guard and can faceroll keyboard while drink tea with good winrate. The only moment when you need skill is defend point from capture vs 3 enemies while your team far away

That far point warrior build takes cheese into a whole new dimension, folded in on itself and jumping in and out of existence.

Mmm cheese string

So we had a power meta…everyone complained. We had a condi meta…everyone complained…we have a bunker meta…everyone complains. See a pattern?
Is also like to point out that most teams run theif not only for dps but because they can port around every map so fast…if you don’t bring a theif and the othe team does you are at a disadvantage.

DanzelOPP.5068:

So we had a power meta…everyone complained. We had a condi meta…everyone complained…we have a bunker meta…everyone complains. See a pattern?
Is also like to point out that most teams run theif not only for dps but because they can port around every map so fast…if you don’t bring a theif and the othe team does you are at a disadvantage.

What are you even talking about? Bunker meta? are you serious?

Pls go get learned

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/A-Guide-to-sPvP-1-Teamcomps-and-roles

There never was a condition meta, power meta, or bunker meta ever. Try running a team with all bunkers or all power or all conditions and see how many times you lose to a real team comp.

This meta crap that people spew comes from noobs using SPvP as a 1v1 arena in low MMR games, instead of doing what they are spose to they get top decked and wreked off point by stupid builds that only work when idiots fight off point and chase them.

We had a power meta because everyone was running a power build…we had a condi meta because everyone was running condi…we have a bunker meta because everyone’s running a more bunkery build. Sorry I had to spell it out for you! Maybe your talking about the 3 “top tier” teams that exist in na and yet all I’ve seen in everyone of these tourneys is meta kittens!!!

DanzelOPP.5068:

We had a power meta because everyone was running a power build…we had a condi meta because everyone was running condi…we have a bunker meta because everyone’s running a more bunkery build. Sorry I had to spell it out for you! Maybe your talking about the 3 “top tier” teams that exist in na and yet all I’ve seen in everyone of these tourneys is meta kittens!!!

In a competitive environment the meta refers to how the game is played at high levels. developers who would make changes to the game to cater to solo que heroes would discredit the game entirely as casual crap.

Solo/Yolo/Hotjoin que doesn’t not have a meta, its just pure chaos, and whichever team has something vaguely resembling a decent comp and strategy will win out every time.

This is why most people find themselves around ~50% WR in solo que, really good players will push 60-65% and there is some godlike people people pushing 70%, but at the root of it all its still pretty much a lottery.

You can’t have a meta in solo q and hotjoin because you can’t control your team comp or what everyone else is running. That still doesn’t say there isnt a meta in Tpvp. Which you denied.

a t s e.9614:

Some of us enjoy 1v1 what’s wrong with that? Going far and beating the guy who is capping their home is a bonus for your team. Although its not the best thing to do it still fun to me rather than going mid and spamming as much AoE as I can.

Thats called decapping, if you read what was in that link you would see it’s a perfectly viable role. But you don’t take your full zerk, or bunker there. There is a certain spec that needs to be run, and you need to make sure your team is alright/good with having someone dedicated decapping.

DanzelOPP.5068:

You can’t have a meta in solo q and hotjoin because you can’t control your team comp or what everyone else is running. That still doesn’t say there isnt a meta in Tpvp. Which you denied.

Why would you open your response with the same exact thing I just told you?

And Yes there is a meta in TPvP, its not “conditions” or “power” or “bunker” like you said in…

DanzelOPP.5068:

So we had a power meta…everyone complained. We had a condi meta…everyone complained…we have a bunker meta…everyone complains. See a pattern?

It’s never been that simple.

You said there isn’t a meta…not that there could NOT be a meta. There is a difference there. I read some of your previous posts, you are pretty wispy washy on this subject but I can see your elitist mentality showing

The problem is with risk vs reward, skill aside if you go glass and the other guy is tanky DPS or some kind of condi cleave bomb. The advantage is going to be on the tanker side. Making glass almost redundant.

Problem with the above is balancing that is impossible without breaking core designs like adding damage resistance to ferocity vs players stacking toughness, or adding risk to bunkers.

IMO the most toxic is tanky condi cleave. It carries team fights like the way a staff ele can but can easily 1v1 and not get shut down as easily.

DanzelOPP.5068:

You said there isn’t a meta…not that there could NOT be a meta. There is a difference there. I read some of your previous posts, you are pretty wispy washy on this subject but I can see your elitist mentality showing

You should probably go back and read this over again.

There never was a condition meta, power meta, or bunker meta ever. Try running a team with all bunkers or all power or all conditions and see how many times you lose to a real team comp.

This meta crap that people spew comes from noobs using SPvP as a 1v1 arena in low MMR games, instead of doing what they are spose to they get top decked and wreked off point by stupid builds that only work when idiots fight off point and chase them.

Im talking about people parroting stupid things like “condition meta”.

Wow dude…you sure know how to drag out a conversation.. How couldn’t their be a power meta when all you saw were power builds…same for condies…and now you see it in the bunk meta. Your little link means nothing when my own 2 eye balls can look at someone’s weapon set and I can tell you what build they are running.. There has most definately been a condition meta and a power meta…you live in denial e sports. If I can’t use your own words against you, who’s should I use? You say there is no meta…which is wrong. You never said that there is no possibility of a meta in soloq…you just said that their isnt one.

DanzelOPP.5068:

Wow dude…you sure know how to drag out a conversation.. How couldn’t their be a power meta when all you saw were power builds…same for condies…and now you see it in the bunk meta. Your little link means nothing when my own 2 eye balls can look at someone’s weapon set and I can tell you what build they are running.. There has most definately been a condition meta and a power meta…you live in denial e sports. If I can’t use your own words against you, who’s should I use? You say there is no meta…which is wrong. You never said that there is no possibility of a meta in soloq…you just said that their isnt one.

There is no meta in solo que, at least not one that should matter or ever be taken into account when balancing the game, or deciding how you are going to play in real matches.

Just because you play a couple yolo que games and see 3+ bunker every match does not mean that there is a bunker meta.

There isn’t one because there can’t be one!!! There is no possibility of a meta in soloq because you can’t decide what your team comp is or what builds people are running… Write it down, take a picture….I don’t wan to repeat it a fourth time.
“Run a yoloq with 3+ bunkers ", your logic is just amazing to me. Because I disagree with you I am instantly a scrub… No elitist mentality there what so ever

DanzelOPP.5068:

There isn’t one because there can’t be one!!! There is no possibility of a meta in soloq because you can’t decide what your team comp is or what builds people are running… Write it down, take a picture….I don’t wan to repeat it a fourth time.
“Run a yoloq with 3+ bunkers ", your logic is just amazing to me. Because I disagree with you I am instantly a scrub… No elitist mentality there what so ever

I’m done dude, you just keep repeating what I’m saying as if you are arguing with yourself.

Either you have 0 reading comprehension, or are trolling. Probably both

The real problem in the meta is clearly the overload of conditions combined with bunker facilities, which make total dps builds and total bunker builds rather useless. Teams with warriors engis and necro are too common and too hard to handle generally.

Maybe what would help is having a degen of health, instead of losing an amount of it each x seconds..

Uh, I see a lot of people running builds with a good balance between survivability and offensive capabilities. That’s better than a glass meta or bunker meta imo.

PVP- is by far not dead. Both ****, and people in a sense are ruining SPVP currently. Though this happens in every! and I mean every PVP game. People always will go with the new “OP BUILD” it’s impossible to actually avoid it. Yes I am almost 100000% sure condition will be getting the well deserved nerf it needs right now.. but complaining about a bunker build is kittened. Yes, they are a pain in the rear but they are, and have been a staple of the game because of the game-types available. They are trading everything in their momma’s purse just to hold a specific point for longer(game-type durr). Bunker’s can easily be beaten, btw if you play smart. I’ve seen bunkers get shred very easily.

Everybody is going to be a bunker unless they are a warrior or thief. Because if you are not a bunker you get gibbed by warriors and thieves. Warriors and thieves dominate the non-bunker field in such a lopsided way.

Bunkers are just the symptom. Nerf warriors and thieves, and more classes will go power spec, because the fact is most people initially didn’t want to go conditions. At the release of the game most builds were actually power builds.

Zenith.7301:

Everybody is going to be a bunker unless they are a warrior or thief. Because if you are not a bunker you get gibbed by warriors and thieves. Warriors and thieves dominate the non-bunker field in such a lopsided way.

Bunkers are just the symptom. Nerf warriors and thieves, and more classes will go power spec, because the fact is most people initially didn’t want to go conditions. At the release of the game most builds were actually power builds.

Put this man in charge of balance, he knows what he is talking about!

Zepidel.5349:

Zenith.7301:

Everybody is going to be a bunker unless they are a warrior or thief. Because if you are not a bunker you get gibbed by warriors and thieves. Warriors and thieves dominate the non-bunker field in such a lopsided way.

Bunkers are just the symptom. Nerf warriors and thieves, and more classes will go power spec, because the fact is most people initially didn’t want to go conditions. At the release of the game most builds were actually power builds.

Put this man in charge of balance, he knows what he is talking about!

Actually power vs power dps guard is apex 1v1

Although you do have to concentrate vs warriors

This is why we need more pvp modes beyond boring capture the point. Deathmatches are a nice touch but only allowed to custom arena them. When the only active one is full isad.

a t s e.9614:

Zenith.7301:

Everybody is going to be a bunker unless they are a warrior or thief. Because if you are not a bunker you get gibbed by warriors and thieves. Warriors and thieves dominate the non-bunker field in such a lopsided way.

Bunkers are just the symptom. Nerf warriors and thieves, and more classes will go power spec, because the fact is most people initially didn’t want to go conditions. At the release of the game most builds were actually power builds.

Only bads are unable to use glassy builds. Every class has a viable power glass build except ranger. So unless you are a ranger its a massive l2p issue.

Like Power MM! <3

tichorum.2415:

So this makes PvP dead? It’s more alive than it ever has been since launch.

Yeah, because it’s been dead since launch. Wasn’t hard to shove a bit more life into it. Doesn’t mean it’s worth the effort, though.

DanzelOPP.5068:

There isn’t one because there can’t be one!!! There is no possibility of a meta in soloq because you can’t decide what your team comp is or what builds people are running… Write it down, take a picture….I don’t wan to repeat it a fourth time.
“Run a yoloq with 3+ bunkers ", your logic is just amazing to me. Because I disagree with you I am instantly a scrub… No elitist mentality there what so ever

So you agree with him? What the… me so confuse…

wat does the word ‘viable’ mean?