Guild Wars 2

I just played some solo tPvP.

And as per ussuall all you see is stunlock condispam.
Why doesnt anet realise that thats literally whats killing pvp.

The no skill builds where u just perma stunlock and then spam condis ontop.

I love seeing scrubs justify how ‘good’ they are by saying theyr on the top of the leaderboard but aslong as people play this godawefull meta style. there is literally no skill involved so any ranking is null and void.

And what are they doing with engis? are they nerfing them? because asof now it seems that its the only viable proffesion to even use in pvp if you want to win. (maybe thats why 3/5 ppl on a team now roll engi)

Worst part is the people who organise there meta builds the best actually get to wear exclusive pvp armor?

So unobtainable skins rewarded to the stunlock condispam meta. Yep pvp is dead. And all the efforts to commercialise it is only wasted resources on what SHOULD be balance patches.

tell me more about this stunlock condispam

even tho i agree that a stunlock chain is ridiculously cheesy, highly frustrating and a little OP at times, there is this thing called dodging that lets you mitigate it.

I think the frequeency with which stunlock scan be applied is a little high, but with the warrior nerf on adrenaline we will already see some improvement in this area.

Lets hope so, i dont really mind just condi spam since i can actually dodge that, but once ur backstab stunned you just auto die as an ele…

its not balanced at all…

i’ve never had any troubles in 1v1s or balanced teamfights as ele. then again, if you run a burst setup, i can imagine that’s horribly annoying.

Anyone who complains about the stunlock here never played wow arena. 8 sec fear, followed by 4 sec fear, followed by poly, followed by cyclone, followed by fear, and on and on. literally 10 mins of CC can be spammed waiting for heal debuff to hit.

Ill take hurr durr war hammer spam over that

Nemiros.3590:

Anyone who complains about the stunlock here never played wow arena. 8 sec fear, followed by 4 sec fear, followed by poly, followed by cyclone, followed by fear, and on and on. literally 10 mins of CC can be spammed waiting for heal debuff to hit.

Ill take hurr durr war hammer spam over that

Trolling? Oh please, I hope you’re just trolling.

This is what happens when hotjoin isn’t a proper game mode, people don’t learn to dodge before joining an arena and complain on forums.

’I just played some solo tPvP.

stopped reading there.

Phaeton.9582:

tell me more about this stunlock condispam

Haha

Nemiros.3590:

Anyone who complains about the stunlock here never played wow arena. 8 sec fear, followed by 4 sec fear, followed by poly, followed by cyclone, followed by fear, and on and on. literally 10 mins of CC can be spammed waiting for heal debuff to hit.

Ill take hurr durr war hammer spam over that

So true lol people here have it easy compare to wow, even rogues are so annoying.

something tells me that OP hasnt played pvp in this for no more than a couple days.

The OP is extremely ignorant if he’s saying PvP isn’t skill based. LOL.

tichorum.2415:

The OP is extremely ignorant if he’s saying PvP isn’t skill based. LOL.

Well a lot of aspects in this game arent that skillbased.

Like covering nodes with combustive shot on my warrior or stealth pulling ppl down on skyhammer on my engi. Amongst a lot of other things ofc.

tichorum.2415:

The OP is extremely ignorant if he’s saying PvP isn’t skill based. LOL.

Nah man, he’s right on! I mean after all, that’s why the best players and team comps always win…oh wait.

On a serious note, it all boils down to how you define “skill.” Things definitely aren’t determined by luck, but possibly you can make the argument that certain builds which are supposedly “easy” to play can wreck face too much. Of course, many people attribute this to brain skill, or the whole, “work smarter, not harder” idea which I guess has some weight to it.

MightyMicah.7451:

On a serious note, it all boils down to how you define “skill.” Things definitely aren’t determined by luck, but possibly you can make the argument that certain builds which are supposedly “easy” to play can wreck face too much. Of course, many people attribute this to brain skill, or the whole, “work smarter, not harder” idea which I guess has some weight to it.

There are 3 levels of skill imo:

1) Preperation: Know how to play and how your (possible) enemies play (build wars)
2) Excecution: Manage cooldowns, dodge, cc, etc… (what most people call skill)
3) Strategy: Know when to fight, where to fight and for how long.

1v1 balance will never exist and all builds can be countered just got to have someone on the squad that’s brave enough to make up for your weakness.

Compared to other games like Mobas or its predecessor GW1 it’s pretty skillless, atleast from the perspective of classes (spamming, no e-management, no risk-reward etc.).

The difference between teams are most likely based on rotations and map awareness.

“Stunlock Condispam” seems like a decent name for a warrior character.

Disables and conditions are of course a nuisance but not unstoppable. It’s all about learning about different classes and various builds to tilt the scales in your favor. Don’t just play a couple matches and be like “well, these cheap tactics kitten d me so this pvp is crap.”

I will say that I do agree that PvP is somewhat shallow in GW2. I like to compare it to an arcade game designed to steal your quarters. You can try to think your way out of situations but in many cases, good twitch and a bit of luck saves the day. Still, it’s pretty fun all the same.

ErazorZ.5209:

I just played some solo tPvP.

And as per ussuall all you see is stunlock condispam.
Why doesnt anet realise that thats literally whats killing pvp.

The no skill builds where u just perma stunlock and then spam condis ontop.

I love seeing scrubs justify how ‘good’ they are by saying theyr on the top of the leaderboard but aslong as people play this godawefull meta style. there is literally no skill involved so any ranking is null and void.

And what are they doing with engis? are they nerfing them? because asof now it seems that its the only viable proffesion to even use in pvp if you want to win. (maybe thats why 3/5 ppl on a team now roll engi)

Except power builds are generally stronger than condi builds in pvp

ErazorZ.5209:

I just played some solo tPvP.

And as per ussuall all you see is stunlock condispam.
Why doesnt anet realise that thats literally whats killing pvp.

The no skill builds where u just perma stunlock and then spam condis ontop.

I love seeing scrubs justify how ‘good’ they are by saying theyr on the top of the leaderboard but aslong as people play this godawefull meta style. there is literally no skill involved so any ranking is null and void.

And what are they doing with engis? are they nerfing them? because asof now it seems that its the only viable proffesion to even use in pvp if you want to win. (maybe thats why 3/5 ppl on a team now roll engi)

So you want to be skillful? And don’t like the cheesy meta style? Then guess what!? You don’t have to!! I don’t like the meta styles any more than the next guy, so I don’t. I actually play a valk setup with my warrior, with duel axes and traits into Power, Precision, and Ferocity, which is considered “the worst possible setup outside of nomads possible” by some. Guess what? I still do allright. For my necro I run scepter/dagger and focus on bleeds. Not sure its its meta or not, but still do alright.

PvP is, and can be, skill based. Unless you are lazy, cheap, or don’t know exactly how to play your profession and go with the meta, then yeah it takes less skill
(in some cases) but giving a general statement about how it takes no skill is either trolling, ignorant, or both.

Well if you don’t consider situational awareness and decision making to be “skill” then of course pvp is not skill based cause that’s all it is.

Need for things like aim, timing/rhythm, team coordination, memory, multitasking are all extremely limited in this kind of game. This is why I satisfy those urges with osu! or old school shooters

ErazorZ.5209:

I love seeing scrubs justify how ‘good’ they are by saying theyr on the top of the leaderboard but aslong as people play this godawefull meta style. there is literally no skill involved so any ranking is null and void.

I agree in that the ranking system is aweful! You literally have to play a million games to get ranked… and you aren’t facing your ranking opponent like Halo or Starcraft, but a random team. It SHOULD be based on individual ranking instead, due to the fact that this a big meta game. You could be the best Necro as far as ranking is concerned, but you Can’t win the game for your team (unless you’re on Legacy of the Foefire and you down lord by yourself at 350 points…)

That said, the pvp in this game is heavily skilled if you’re a non sustain 10k guard or Thief and you’re constantly needing to communicate to your team… Even then you need to know how to play your build…know when to roam…treb…etc.
I’ve seen the same builds duel and there’s always a better player… I.E skill based.

Here goes the crying. One day you’ll complain the meta is the reason you lose to players, that the build is your counter or total cheese and mindless spamming, the next you’ll complain it was lag or your pizza fell on your neckbeard in the middle of the game and that’s why top players aren’t even good. “Gosh. Jeez nobody is good and the game fails because I die and cry and can’t play or understand basic game mechanics like los and dodge.” #ToxicPlayers

Aren’t there runes to assist in countering Condition spam?

this unjustified whining is getting on my nerves. there’s a bunch of people here in this forum constantly crying about the game, never even once providing an argument that isn’t completely wrong or simply bullkitten.

you can cry about a lot of things with gw2 and in a lot of cases, it makes sense to cry about it, but to describe pvp as "not skillbased" and attacking meta builds while doing it is simply stupid. there is NOTHING that you can (or would want to) do as a developer to remove meta builds in a game. if you want to keep build variety, you have to provide a lot of skills, traits, etc. pp. and there will always be one build being slightly superior for 1v1 or teamfight situations than other builds on the same profession. if you can’t come up with it on your own, tough titty, but don’t complain about people who play it and if you deliberately choose to play an inferior build, please!!!!! shut the kitten up and improve your build or your playstyle.

kthxbye.