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Posted by: Dnyel.5620

Dnyel.5620

Hi guys I took a long break of this game due to the nonbalance and poor matchmaking, my question is: did anet already fixed the game or is it the same kitten game since HoT?

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Posted by: bLind.6278

bLind.6278

Balance is pretty good, but MMR is probably the worst system I’ve ever seen in 25+ years of gaming.

Anet designed the current season to intentionally stack all of the best players in the game on one team, so players with higher MMR are literally steamrolling their way to legendary with 80%+ win ratios, while lower MMR’s struggle to make any progress whatsoever.

Beyond that, the system has been made so un-fun (probably 90% of the games you play will be 500-150 stomps) that most people just outright quit once they hit legendary, and those that don’t are stuck with 15-30 minute queues.

If you’re coming back for raids or PvE content you’ll be okay. If you’re interested in PvP, I’d avoid it pretty hard.

Also, I’ll probably be banned for this post.

One foot out the door, yet again.

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Posted by: Ellie.5913

Ellie.5913

One word.. Play ( it and see for yourself )
You should be able to answer your own question after 1 or 2 matches

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Posted by: kdaddy.5431

kdaddy.5431

Balance is pretty good, but MMR is probably the worst system I’ve ever seen in 25+ years of gaming.

Anet designed the current season to intentionally stack all of the best players in the game on one team, so players with higher MMR are literally steamrolling their way to legendary with 80%+ win ratios, while lower MMR’s struggle to make any progress whatsoever.

Beyond that, the system has been made so un-fun (probably 90% of the games you play will be 500-150 stomps) that most people just outright quit once they hit legendary, and those that don’t are stuck with 15-30 minute queues.

If you’re coming back for raids or PvE content you’ll be okay. If you’re interested in PvP, I’d avoid it pretty hard.

Also, I’ll probably be banned for this post.

This comment is about last season, this season match making is a mix of season 1-2. Also the thread topic is different from the actual thread.

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Posted by: MAN.9046

MAN.9046

Balance is pretty good

Kappa?

RIP
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Posted by: Krysard.1364

Krysard.1364

Balance is pretty good

Kappa?

Balance is actually pretty good except for DHs. As long as we dont get the PL finals and they reveal some weirdo op build, this is the most balanced meta since 1 year ago.

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Posted by: Ellie.5913

Ellie.5913

I don’t know if it’s balanced but it sure is boring that there’s not a lot of viable builds anymore. So if balanced means everyone runs the same exact build then I’d rather have it unbalanced. Also I find it very frustrating how fast most of my teams die, I just really don’t see the point in everyone getting 1 shotted… how is that fun, I know that’s what a lot of people asked for but I seriously don’t see how it’s fun or makes any sense.

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Posted by: Lexander.4579

Lexander.4579

i dont see the connection between pvp being boring and the usual low rank whining about matchmaking and other crap

is the pvp boring? yeah pretty much i cant imagine doing more than 10-20 matches per week although some people are able to grind 100 per week easily while being stuck in sapphire

is the balance bad? i’d say its the most balanced season since HoT, and more balanced than the majority of pre-HoT timeline too, definitely there is more ridiculous bullkitten going on around but at least every class is able to pull it off

is matchmaking bad? nope, other than “git gud” there is really nothing else to say no matter how bitter or salty that phrase makes you

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Posted by: Jourdelune.7456

Jourdelune.7456

On metabattle.com, we have more meta build than ever.

Unranked queue for match-making that work.

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Posted by: Ellie.5913

Ellie.5913

Don’t take anyone’s word for it, everyone has a different experience and opinion. Personally I liked pvp a million times better 2 or 3 years ago than now. Just go try a few matches and see for yourself.

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Posted by: Vicky.4563

Vicky.4563

Hi guys I took a long break of this game due to the nonbalance and poor matchmaking, my question is: did anet already fixed the game or is it the same kitten game since HoT?

It’s still the same bull. You still get certain annoying players who AFK or ragequit the game before it even starts because they disagree with the team comp and don’t even get banned for it.

Oh wait. I forgot who I was talking to.

You should keep taking that break. Forever.

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Posted by: ArcanistSeven.8720

ArcanistSeven.8720

This game has never had good pvp especially now with these elite specs. pvp was way better before the elite specs they are pretty much mandatory if you want to win in ranked anyone else remember when a dev said that they weren’t suppose to be better than the main class. I’ve actually stopped playing pvp alot because of the elite specs and anyone who argues that we have more build diversity today than before the specialization patch is delusional

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Posted by: Gigiobalt.7625

Gigiobalt.7625

One word.. Play ( it and see for yourself )
You should be able to answer your own question after 1 or 2 matches, and then you quit again

there fix’d

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Posted by: Pyriall.1683

Pyriall.1683

I don’t know if it’s balanced but it sure is boring that there’s not a lot of viable builds anymore. So if balanced means everyone runs the same exact build then I’d rather have it unbalanced. Also I find it very frustrating how fast most of my teams die, I just really don’t see the point in everyone getting 1 shotted… how is that fun, I know that’s what a lot of people asked for but I seriously don’t see how it’s fun or makes any sense.

You can run virtually anything you want in solo queue. If you need a build to carry you, then sorry that you’re bored.

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Posted by: Ellie.5913

Ellie.5913

I don’t know if it’s balanced but it sure is boring that there’s not a lot of viable builds anymore. So if balanced means everyone runs the same exact build then I’d rather have it unbalanced. Also I find it very frustrating how fast most of my teams die, I just really don’t see the point in everyone getting 1 shotted… how is that fun, I know that’s what a lot of people asked for but I seriously don’t see how it’s fun or makes any sense.

You can run virtually anything you want in solo queue. If you need a build to carry you, then sorry that you’re bored.

Yea of course you can run whatever you want, but running whatever you want doesn’t mean you’re gonna win. There’s not a lot of viable builds that would actually be useful, and they keep becoming less and less and less with all the nerfs and amulet & rune removals and the making elite specs way stronger than anything else. ALL the builds that I used to enjoy and that were useful , nobody runs anymore because if they did they’d be dead weight. And I really don’t enjoy any of the few current useful builds that everyone’s running atm, soo soo boring. And it’s extremely difficult staying alive long enough to cast anything or hit anyone with having most of the defensive skills and amulets nerfed into oblivion or flat out removed. So yea run whatever you want but don’t expect to be very useful, hope you have a really good premade to carry you if you run whatever you want.

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Posted by: ellesee.8297

ellesee.8297

Gonna throw my vote into the yes category. Game still boring af and if those are the reasons for quitting then I wouldn’t come back. But should at least try it I guess.

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Posted by: Yasha.5963

Yasha.5963

I have always really liked the pvp in GW2, imo the best overall pvp. From my perspective the balance is not that good atm and the matchmaking in ranked seems really off- I keep getting blowouts one way or the other, like one game I am paired with players who know what they are doing against a team that is really bad, and the next game I get thrown against a premade.

More than the balance though, atm it feels like there are too many auto-proc traits, projectile reflects, etc. mainly due to HoT I think.

Still there is no other pvp game where I feel I can just jump in and have an exciting time with lots of action and many good 1vs1 and team fights. Nothing has really been added to spvp since launch (compared to the pve part of the game) but the little that is there is still fun despite the annoying things about it.

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Posted by: Pyriall.1683

Pyriall.1683

I don’t know if it’s balanced but it sure is boring that there’s not a lot of viable builds anymore. So if balanced means everyone runs the same exact build then I’d rather have it unbalanced. Also I find it very frustrating how fast most of my teams die, I just really don’t see the point in everyone getting 1 shotted… how is that fun, I know that’s what a lot of people asked for but I seriously don’t see how it’s fun or makes any sense.

You can run virtually anything you want in solo queue. If you need a build to carry you, then sorry that you’re bored.

Yea of course you can run whatever you want, but running whatever you want doesn’t mean you’re gonna win. There’s not a lot of viable builds that would actually be useful, and they keep becoming less and less and less with all the nerfs and amulet & rune removals and the making elite specs way stronger than anything else. ALL the builds that I used to enjoy and that were useful , nobody runs anymore because if they did they’d be dead weight. And I really don’t enjoy any of the few current useful builds that everyone’s running atm, soo soo boring. And it’s extremely difficult staying alive long enough to cast anything or hit anyone with having most of the defensive skills and amulets nerfed into oblivion or flat out removed. So yea run whatever you want but don’t expect to be very useful, hope you have a really good premade to carry you if you run whatever you want.

To clarify, you can run virtually anything you want AND be useful. Let’s not pretend for one second that ranked matches are as coordinated as: 5 v 5 premades. As long as you know your build and can fulfill it in your team comp, with a compromise to adjust on composition, you should be fine.

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Posted by: Ellie.5913

Ellie.5913

I don’t know if it’s balanced but it sure is boring that there’s not a lot of viable builds anymore. So if balanced means everyone runs the same exact build then I’d rather have it unbalanced. Also I find it very frustrating how fast most of my teams die, I just really don’t see the point in everyone getting 1 shotted… how is that fun, I know that’s what a lot of people asked for but I seriously don’t see how it’s fun or makes any sense.

You can run virtually anything you want in solo queue. If you need a build to carry you, then sorry that you’re bored.

Yea of course you can run whatever you want, but running whatever you want doesn’t mean you’re gonna win. There’s not a lot of viable builds that would actually be useful, and they keep becoming less and less and less with all the nerfs and amulet & rune removals and the making elite specs way stronger than anything else. ALL the builds that I used to enjoy and that were useful , nobody runs anymore because if they did they’d be dead weight. And I really don’t enjoy any of the few current useful builds that everyone’s running atm, soo soo boring. And it’s extremely difficult staying alive long enough to cast anything or hit anyone with having most of the defensive skills and amulets nerfed into oblivion or flat out removed. So yea run whatever you want but don’t expect to be very useful, hope you have a really good premade to carry you if you run whatever you want.

To clarify, you can run virtually anything you want AND be useful. Let’s not pretend for one second that ranked matches are as coordinated as: 5 v 5 premades. As long as you know your build and can fulfill it in your team comp, with a compromise to adjust on composition, you should be fine.

Um no you can’t, unless you’re one of those people who have a premade or super high mmr then yea you can practically go afk and still win. But people on a team that can’t carry them can not run whatever they want and be useful…

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Posted by: displacedTitan.6897

displacedTitan.6897

i dont see the connection between pvp being boring and the usual low rank whining about matchmaking and other crap

is the pvp boring? yeah pretty much i cant imagine doing more than 10-20 matches per week although some people are able to grind 100 per week easily while being stuck in sapphire

is the balance bad? i’d say its the most balanced season since HoT, and more balanced than the majority of pre-HoT timeline too, definitely there is more ridiculous bullkitten going on around but at least every class is able to pull it off

is matchmaking bad? nope, other than “git gud” there is really nothing else to say no matter how bitter or salty that phrase makes you

If this is good matchmaking to you, just wait until you play ANY OTHER PVP GAME!

You will be blown away by what is actually good matchmaking in them!

Seriously, this game has by far the worst matchmaking in any game I have played. Even unranked Overwatch has better matchmaking than this. Far far better in fact. Once you start comparing this game to LoL, DOTA2 or CS:GO it looks even worse for GW2. To everyone that thinks the matchmaking here is somehow good or balanced, go give any of those games a try. You will quickly learn why no one plays spvp and why its been badly bleeding players since S1.

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Posted by: shion.2084

shion.2084

If your worried about match making grab 4 friends and 5 man it. Will probably make for more predictable matches.

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Posted by: Supreme.3164

Supreme.3164

i dont see the connection between pvp being boring and the usual low rank whining about matchmaking and other crap

is the pvp boring? yeah pretty much i cant imagine doing more than 10-20 matches per week although some people are able to grind 100 per week easily while being stuck in sapphire

is the balance bad? i’d say its the most balanced season since HoT, and more balanced than the majority of pre-HoT timeline too, definitely there is more ridiculous bullkitten going on around but at least every class is able to pull it off

is matchmaking bad? nope, other than “git gud” there is really nothing else to say no matter how bitter or salty that phrase makes you

If this is good matchmaking to you, just wait until you play ANY OTHER PVP GAME!

You will be blown away by what is actually good matchmaking in them!

Seriously, this game has by far the worst matchmaking in any game I have played. Even unranked Overwatch has better matchmaking than this. Far far better in fact. Once you start comparing this game to LoL, DOTA2 or CS:GO it looks even worse for GW2. To everyone that thinks the matchmaking here is somehow good or balanced, go give any of those games a try. You will quickly learn why no one plays spvp and why its been badly bleeding players since S1.

Humm….GW2 is not a PvP game but a MMO?!, if you want to play a PvP game..why go for a MMO?

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Posted by: Pyriall.1683

Pyriall.1683

I don’t know if it’s balanced but it sure is boring that there’s not a lot of viable builds anymore. So if balanced means everyone runs the same exact build then I’d rather have it unbalanced. Also I find it very frustrating how fast most of my teams die, I just really don’t see the point in everyone getting 1 shotted… how is that fun, I know that’s what a lot of people asked for but I seriously don’t see how it’s fun or makes any sense.

You can run virtually anything you want in solo queue. If you need a build to carry you, then sorry that you’re bored.

Yea of course you can run whatever you want, but running whatever you want doesn’t mean you’re gonna win. There’s not a lot of viable builds that would actually be useful, and they keep becoming less and less and less with all the nerfs and amulet & rune removals and the making elite specs way stronger than anything else. ALL the builds that I used to enjoy and that were useful , nobody runs anymore because if they did they’d be dead weight. And I really don’t enjoy any of the few current useful builds that everyone’s running atm, soo soo boring. And it’s extremely difficult staying alive long enough to cast anything or hit anyone with having most of the defensive skills and amulets nerfed into oblivion or flat out removed. So yea run whatever you want but don’t expect to be very useful, hope you have a really good premade to carry you if you run whatever you want.

To clarify, you can run virtually anything you want AND be useful. Let’s not pretend for one second that ranked matches are as coordinated as: 5 v 5 premades. As long as you know your build and can fulfill it in your team comp, with a compromise to adjust on composition, you should be fine.

Um no you can’t, unless you’re one of those people who have a premade or super high mmr then yea you can practically go afk and still win. But people on a team that can’t carry them can not run whatever they want and be useful…

You cannot claim that you can’t when it has already been done. It has and continues to be done. As long as the build fills a role and you’re able to play it then you are more than capable of having it work on your team. There’s tons of builds you can play because there are fewer scenarios where people are going to punish you for playing it (in our current ranked population).

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Posted by: JETWING.2759

JETWING.2759

Mmr can’t fix coordination inssues.
I talk “stay here on point”, and the braindead in my team leaves the point to run around, no capturing points.
I hold a fight against 2, means that we have others 4 against 3 of them, but in some point my team mates loss a 2 vs 1…
Is unfair to punish those players that make a premade to avoid bad players. Just make no more possible multi divisions encouters, Ruby only fights Ruby and emerald only fights emerald for example.

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Posted by: Agemnon.4608

Agemnon.4608

I don’t know if it’s balanced but it sure is boring that there’s not a lot of viable builds anymore. So if balanced means everyone runs the same exact build then I’d rather have it unbalanced. Also I find it very frustrating how fast most of my teams die, I just really don’t see the point in everyone getting 1 shotted… how is that fun, I know that’s what a lot of people asked for but I seriously don’t see how it’s fun or makes any sense.

The one shot is likely offense vs. offense an lots of offense needs stacking with all the on demand protection with tanky runes and amulets floating around on top of lots of sustain and invulnerability skills. I think thief damage needs to be reduced by 15% across the board (except for sword/dagger) but have a very slight net buff (except for auto attack) despite that since everyone’s sustain would be nerfed.

I talk “stay here on point”, and the braindead in my team leaves the point to run around, no capturing points.

Sometimes you just have to intercept bunkers before they contest a point where they’d be really useful. If you’re a squishy you’re going to need to step off point giving them free decap whereas if you fight them while they’re going to the point you have more freedom of movement to disengage or go to the other point as needed so the bunker’s advantage when he reaches the point is minimized.

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Posted by: Ellie.5913

Ellie.5913

I don’t know if it’s balanced but it sure is boring that there’s not a lot of viable builds anymore. So if balanced means everyone runs the same exact build then I’d rather have it unbalanced. Also I find it very frustrating how fast most of my teams die, I just really don’t see the point in everyone getting 1 shotted… how is that fun, I know that’s what a lot of people asked for but I seriously don’t see how it’s fun or makes any sense.

You can run virtually anything you want in solo queue. If you need a build to carry you, then sorry that you’re bored.

Yea of course you can run whatever you want, but running whatever you want doesn’t mean you’re gonna win. There’s not a lot of viable builds that would actually be useful, and they keep becoming less and less and less with all the nerfs and amulet & rune removals and the making elite specs way stronger than anything else. ALL the builds that I used to enjoy and that were useful , nobody runs anymore because if they did they’d be dead weight. And I really don’t enjoy any of the few current useful builds that everyone’s running atm, soo soo boring. And it’s extremely difficult staying alive long enough to cast anything or hit anyone with having most of the defensive skills and amulets nerfed into oblivion or flat out removed. So yea run whatever you want but don’t expect to be very useful, hope you have a really good premade to carry you if you run whatever you want.

To clarify, you can run virtually anything you want AND be useful. Let’s not pretend for one second that ranked matches are as coordinated as: 5 v 5 premades. As long as you know your build and can fulfill it in your team comp, with a compromise to adjust on composition, you should be fine.

Um no you can’t, unless you’re one of those people who have a premade or super high mmr then yea you can practically go afk and still win. But people on a team that can’t carry them can not run whatever they want and be useful…

You cannot claim that you can’t when it has already been done. It has and continues to be done. As long as the build fills a role and you’re able to play it then you are more than capable of having it work on your team. There’s tons of builds you can play because there are fewer scenarios where people are going to punish you for playing it (in our current ranked population).

Pretty much every person I’ve seen running a non HoT build dies to the other team which IS running HoT and meta builds. Heck I even tried to play a non HoT build on a free account that only has core skills and I melted like a popsicle to the other team which ofc was running HoT AND meta builds. So yea say whatever you want but no most people can not run whatever build they want and be successful against people who are running HoT and meta builds. I also tried 1 of my favorite pre HoT builds that I used to be extremely successful with and yea I died pretty quickly, not only because the amulet that went with it got removed but also because the other team was using HoT meta builds.
And like I said before, if you have a good team due to having a premade or having better teammates because of high mmr your games are gonna be very easy to win regardless of what build you play.

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Posted by: Ellie.5913

Ellie.5913

I don’t know if it’s balanced but it sure is boring that there’s not a lot of viable builds anymore. So if balanced means everyone runs the same exact build then I’d rather have it unbalanced. Also I find it very frustrating how fast most of my teams die, I just really don’t see the point in everyone getting 1 shotted… how is that fun, I know that’s what a lot of people asked for but I seriously don’t see how it’s fun or makes any sense.

The one shot is likely offense vs. offense an lots of offense needs stacking with all the on demand protection with tanky runes and amulets floating around on top of lots of sustain and invulnerability skills. I think thief damage needs to be reduced by 15% across the board (except for sword/dagger) but have a very slight net buff (except for auto attack) despite that since everyone’s sustain would be nerfed.

I talk “stay here on point”, and the braindead in my team leaves the point to run around, no capturing points.

Sometimes you just have to intercept bunkers before they contest a point where they’d be really useful. If you’re a squishy you’re going to need to step off point giving them free decap whereas if you fight them while they’re going to the point you have more freedom of movement to disengage or go to the other point as needed so the bunker’s advantage when he reaches the point is minimized.

That’s the problem, I don’t see bunkers anymore ever or healers at least not on my team and if the other team has them they aren’t really that effective. I guess I’m just soo used to playing games where I get healed and stay alive long enough to kill something that maybe gw2 just will never be fun to me since it’s pretty much the opposite of that. Also, all the best tanky amulets and runes got removed so there really isn’t much tanyness anymore, and if they do try to go tanky they sacrifice ALL their damage so they aren’t that useful.

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Posted by: ellesee.8297

ellesee.8297

That’s the problem, I don’t see bunkers anymore ever or healers at least not on my team and if the other team has them they aren’t really that effective. I guess I’m just soo used to playing games where I get healed and stay alive long enough to kill something that maybe gw2 just will never be fun to me since it’s pretty much the opposite of that. Also, all the best tanky amulets and runes got removed so there really isn’t much tanyness anymore, and if they do try to go tanky they sacrifice ALL their damage so they aren’t that useful.

Yo are we playing the same game?

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Posted by: JTGuevara.9018

JTGuevara.9018

Hi guys I took a long break of this game due to the nonbalance and poor matchmaking, my question is: did anet already fixed the game or is it the same kitten game since HoT?

Nope, not fixed. It’s the SAME since HoT. It’s “elite specs/e-sports or bust”.

Elite builds are still vastly superior to the core builds. The only significant change is that elites are finally balanced within themselves. Leagues are still a grind-based joke. Thanks to the league and pip system, matchmaking is broken and can NEVER be fixed.

So yeah, basically just stay away. If you are going to play, just play unranked/hotjoin so you don’t tear your hair out.

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Posted by: Yasha.5963

Yasha.5963

That’s the problem, I don’t see bunkers anymore ever or healers at least not on my team and if the other team has them they aren’t really that effective. I guess I’m just soo used to playing games where I get healed and stay alive long enough to kill something that maybe gw2 just will never be fun to me since it’s pretty much the opposite of that. Also, all the best tanky amulets and runes got removed so there really isn’t much tanyness anymore, and if they do try to go tanky they sacrifice ALL their damage so they aren’t that useful.

Yo are we playing the same game?

Right? What I see usually are four or five very tanky players that can also deal heaps of damage- at least if they are running a HoT spec.

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Posted by: Ellie.5913

Ellie.5913

I’m pretty sure I’m playing the same game, but maybe you guys are getting put on better teams or something (or have a premade) because most of my teams run in and all die like in 2 seconds, rez and repeat. Before all the defensive skills got nerfed and defensive amulets got removed that didn’t happen as often as it does now. Also I had way more fun builds to play back in those days, now not so much. HoT builds get old fast.

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Posted by: Yasha.5963

Yasha.5963

I’m pretty sure I’m playing the same game, but maybe you guys are getting put on better teams or something (or have a premade) because most of my teams run in and all die like in 2 seconds, rez and repeat. Before all the defensive skills got nerfed and defensive amulets got removed that didn’t happen as often as it does now. Also I had way more fun builds to play back in those days, now not so much. HoT builds get old fast.

Most of the “meta” builds atm are really tanky and can deal a lot of damage. I found the game more interesting when there were squishy builds that did high damage and tanky builds that did low damage.

There has always (imo) been an issue with might stacking that allows players on some builds/classes to run high defence and high damage, but now the situation of “tanky + high damage” is almost out of control.

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Posted by: Ellie.5913

Ellie.5913

I’m pretty sure I’m playing the same game, but maybe you guys are getting put on better teams or something (or have a premade) because most of my teams run in and all die like in 2 seconds, rez and repeat. Before all the defensive skills got nerfed and defensive amulets got removed that didn’t happen as often as it does now. Also I had way more fun builds to play back in those days, now not so much. HoT builds get old fast.

Most of the “meta” builds atm are really tanky and can deal a lot of damage. I found the game more interesting when there were squishy builds that did high damage and tanky builds that did low damage.

There has always (imo) been an issue with might stacking that allows players on some builds/classes to run high defence and high damage, but now the situation of “tanky + high damage” is almost out of control.

I don’t run HoT meta builds often ( since I only play in unranked these days on my main account that has HoT, I don’t see it necessary ) and most of my teammates definitely are NOT tanky, quite the opposite in both unranked and ranked where I play on my free account occasionally, which only has core skills. So yea I don’t see a lot of tankyness in any of my matches. Before HoT though there was plenty tankyness and support builds that I really enjoyed a lot, and now its all gone. So that with the fact matchmaking is horrible and there’s far too many premades in solo queue, I really don’t enjoy pvp anymore. And if there’s lots of tanky super damage dealing builds, I haven’t seen many, the closest I’ve seen that could possibly be tanky AND damage dealing would be berserker but that’s about it. Some say scrapper is tanky and super damaging, but I don’t see it, especially since they got huge nerfs to their defense skills and it’s not that easy damaging some 1 with a hammer whenever you have to chase them down just to hit them ( that’s why I don’t use hammer engi, I run a squishy pistol engie instead)

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Posted by: Yasha.5963

Yasha.5963

I’m pretty sure I’m playing the same game, but maybe you guys are getting put on better teams or something (or have a premade) because most of my teams run in and all die like in 2 seconds, rez and repeat. Before all the defensive skills got nerfed and defensive amulets got removed that didn’t happen as often as it does now. Also I had way more fun builds to play back in those days, now not so much. HoT builds get old fast.

Most of the “meta” builds atm are really tanky and can deal a lot of damage. I found the game more interesting when there were squishy builds that did high damage and tanky builds that did low damage.

There has always (imo) been an issue with might stacking that allows players on some builds/classes to run high defence and high damage, but now the situation of “tanky + high damage” is almost out of control.

I don’t run HoT meta builds often ( since I only play in unranked these days on my main account that has HoT, I don’t see it necessary ) and most of my teammates definitely are NOT tanky, quite the opposite in both unranked and ranked where I play on my free account occasionally, which only has core skills. So yea I don’t see a lot of tankyness in any of my matches. Before HoT though there was plenty tankyness and support builds that I really enjoyed a lot, and now its all gone. So that with the fact matchmaking is horrible and there’s far too many premades in solo queue, I really don’t enjoy pvp anymore. And if there’s lots of tanky super damage dealing builds, I haven’t seen many, the closest I’ve seen that could possibly be tanky AND damage dealing would be berserker but that’s about it. Some say scrapper is tanky and super damaging, but I don’t see it, especially since they got huge nerfs to their defense skills and it’s not that easy damaging some 1 with a hammer whenever you have to chase them down just to hit them ( that’s why I don’t use hammer engi, I run a squishy pistol engie instead)

If you want to play tanky with lots of damage- reaper, scrapper, ele, condi warrior, some rev builds.

Thief and mesmer tend to be pretty squishy, but thief has a couple of builds that make them almost impossible to hit/pin down or apply condition damage to, while mesmer still seems to have a decent condi build that can survive for a long time and apply great condi damage.

DH is like a trap ranger on steroids with access to stability, stun breaks, etc in addition to great burst, and rangers have a couple of druid options which provide a lot of survivability (far more than pre-hot) without really losing out on damage.

Anyway they are the builds I tend to run up against most matches- when people are playing something different its usually really easy to blow them up.

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Posted by: Ellie.5913

Ellie.5913

I’m pretty sure I’m playing the same game, but maybe you guys are getting put on better teams or something (or have a premade) because most of my teams run in and all die like in 2 seconds, rez and repeat. Before all the defensive skills got nerfed and defensive amulets got removed that didn’t happen as often as it does now. Also I had way more fun builds to play back in those days, now not so much. HoT builds get old fast.

Most of the “meta” builds atm are really tanky and can deal a lot of damage. I found the game more interesting when there were squishy builds that did high damage and tanky builds that did low damage.

There has always (imo) been an issue with might stacking that allows players on some builds/classes to run high defence and high damage, but now the situation of “tanky + high damage” is almost out of control.

I don’t run HoT meta builds often ( since I only play in unranked these days on my main account that has HoT, I don’t see it necessary ) and most of my teammates definitely are NOT tanky, quite the opposite in both unranked and ranked where I play on my free account occasionally, which only has core skills. So yea I don’t see a lot of tankyness in any of my matches. Before HoT though there was plenty tankyness and support builds that I really enjoyed a lot, and now its all gone. So that with the fact matchmaking is horrible and there’s far too many premades in solo queue, I really don’t enjoy pvp anymore. And if there’s lots of tanky super damage dealing builds, I haven’t seen many, the closest I’ve seen that could possibly be tanky AND damage dealing would be berserker but that’s about it. Some say scrapper is tanky and super damaging, but I don’t see it, especially since they got huge nerfs to their defense skills and it’s not that easy damaging some 1 with a hammer whenever you have to chase them down just to hit them ( that’s why I don’t use hammer engi, I run a squishy pistol engie instead)

If you want to play tanky with lots of damage- reaper, scrapper, ele, condi warrior, some rev builds.

Thief and mesmer tend to be pretty squishy, but thief has a couple of builds that make them almost impossible to hit/pin down or apply condition damage to, while mesmer still seems to have a decent condi build that can survive for a long time and apply great condi damage.

DH is like a trap ranger on steroids with access to stability, stun breaks, etc in addition to great burst, and rangers have a couple of druid options which provide a lot of survivability (far more than pre-hot) without really losing out on damage.

Anyway they are the builds I tend to run up against most matches- when people are playing something different its usually really easy to blow them up.

Yea those are all HoT meta builds, and ele’s meta build doesn’t do a lot of damage, I’ve played it plenty to know that. And mesmers are very squishy now that they got rid of their amulet that helped them to survive better. The only things I see there that would do a LOT of damage and be tanky would be berserker. And reaper if you count the necro’s death shroud ability as being tanky. And the scrapper if hes REALLY experienced but they did get a huge nerf to their survivability through skill and trait nerfs, weapon nerfs and amulet removals. Dragon hunters die very easy in most cases. And I hate playing rev because they are the opposite of tanky, mine dies super fast.
And yes most or all non HoT builds are very easy to beat if you are running HoT builds.

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Posted by: kodesh.2851

kodesh.2851

On metabattle.com, we have more meta build than ever.

Unranked queue for match-making that work.

IDK, I checked out mesmer builds and most of them are kittened. Not sure I trust metabattle for other profs now lol.

Sizzap – Asura Mesmer, Dragonbrand

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Posted by: Reaper Alim.4176

Reaper Alim.4176

i dont see the connection between pvp being boring and the usual low rank whining about matchmaking and other crap

is the pvp boring? yeah pretty much i cant imagine doing more than 10-20 matches per week although some people are able to grind 100 per week easily while being stuck in sapphire

is the balance bad? i’d say its the most balanced season since HoT, and more balanced than the majority of pre-HoT timeline too, definitely there is more ridiculous bullkitten going on around but at least every class is able to pull it off

is matchmaking bad? nope, other than “git gud” there is really nothing else to say no matter how bitter or salty that phrase makes you

See when idiots like this just say matchmaker is a “gid gud” problem what they mean is.. Unless you can be on two nodes on the map at the same and 1 v 5 and win the whole match, you just need to “git gud”.

Won 3 1v3s my last match monday on a druid and my team still lost the match when all the other 4 players had to do was kill 2 kitten players for the whole match. By those means yes I need to “git gud” so I can be gud. On the other hand there are people who are giving farm animals sorry I mean lower MMR players grouped up on the same team to just smash for effortless climb to legendary.

I think that sums it all up in a nutshell.

10/10 Only plays GW2 when ESO servers are down.

I maybe a troll with class.
But at least I admit it!
PoF guys get ready for PvE joys

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Posted by: Agemnon.4608

Agemnon.4608

i dont see the connection between pvp being boring and the usual low rank whining about matchmaking and other crap

is the pvp boring? yeah pretty much i cant imagine doing more than 10-20 matches per week although some people are able to grind 100 per week easily while being stuck in sapphire

is the balance bad? i’d say its the most balanced season since HoT, and more balanced than the majority of pre-HoT timeline too, definitely there is more ridiculous bullkitten going on around but at least every class is able to pull it off

is matchmaking bad? nope, other than “git gud” there is really nothing else to say no matter how bitter or salty that phrase makes you

See when idiots like this just say matchmaker is a “gid gud” problem what they mean is.. Unless you can be on two nodes on the map at the same and 1 v 5 and win the whole match, you just need to “git gud”.

Won 3 1v3s my last match monday on a druid and my team still lost the match when all the other 4 players had to do was kill 2 kitten players for the whole match. By those means yes I need to “git gud” so I can be gud. On the other hand there are people who are giving farm animals sorry I mean lower MMR players grouped up on the same team to just smash for effortless climb to legendary.

I think that sums it all up in a nutshell.

10/10 Only plays GW2 when ESO servers are down.

You also have to remember that there are many different layers of skill. So someone rages at an ele for doing some silly things, but within the context of his MMR range those silly things worked for him, but now against higher level players he needs to adapt his play. One guy’s noob could be another’s pro. Someone could look at a random Mesmer and go, “How did he even make Ruby?” But that same Mesmer could win a 1v2 when he was Emerald (it’s usually Mesmers who win 1v2 anyway lol!)

The higher you climb the more strict rules there are for learn to play.