Guild Wars 2

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

Let’s hope they don’t get completely gutted like Necros – what happened to shaving and adjusting instead of taking a hammer to a class.

I’m not sure how condi necro counters mes with all the clear mes has. That being said, I don’t think all of the hate is deserved. Ele’s got a dmg buff with no nerf to their sustain, yet no one has mentioned anything about them being too good. Rev’s got a wrist slap in the patch and they aren’t getting nearly the attention that mes is. I think it comes down to the idea that people like to complain about whatever they can because they don’t like change.

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

Avigrus.2871:

Let’s hope they don’t get completely gutted like Necros – what happened to shaving and adjusting instead of taking a hammer to a class.

core necro ,power reaper seems better now , not sure tho , it depends on the team comp ,especially we hardly know if war and thief could make a come back .

tempest most likely will still be a must , rev still have many tools ,mobility and its massive damage with good sustain .they will stay in meta .

due to tempest and now condi reaper is far less dangerous , mes can be the key to counter tempest or i should say moa will be only possible way to deal with tempest in team fight .

with war buff , we may say more burst damage next season that will make moa feel more op since you will get downed faster in moa form now .even tho mes wont be the main damage dealer

So in short , i have no hope at all , anet will overnerf us again.

musu.9205:

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

Or maybe mesmer is just op and they know it?
This also sounds alot like you are one of those thinking players carry the mesmer and not vice versa (bs)
And finally a quick skip through your post history brought me to following conclusion:
a) You used to point to the pro leagues whenever someone called mesmer op.
b)Now that the pro teams (officially, they did say it before) dont agree with you anymore they are wrong.
gg

The list is actually pretty accurate, dunno whats wrong there

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

Exactly this.
When DD ele was at its worst, we saw 4 dd ele +1 thief pug win against a known team.
Next week they limited it to 2 or 3x per team.

That doesnt change the balance facts, that one build is so above the rest it occupies several slots.
Mes and rev are just too good in overall 1v1s, living long in 1v2, killing fast in 2v1and generall y good in 3v3+ teamfights + having mobility, with mesmer moa even able to instantly kill in a teamfight.

The ele is still a crazy OP healer, its just in A-tier since compared to what i wrote above, ele “only” stalls fights and doesnt want 1v1s. It also requires minimal coordination, so soloq is plagued with revs and mesmers more.

BloodriverTim.2031:

I’m not sure how condi necro counters mes with all the clear mes has. That being said, I don’t think all of the hate is deserved. Ele’s got a dmg buff with no nerf to their sustain, yet no one has mentioned anything about them being too good. Rev’s got a wrist slap in the patch and they aren’t getting nearly the attention that mes is. I think it comes down to the idea that people like to complain about whatever they can because they don’t like change.

they need to time the signet right and get lucky on passive proc. im talking about core necro condi build .reaper could be kited easier .but they are still dangerous enough for a mes to stay on point .a soft counter id say .

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

Let me make a wild guess. You play Mesmer right?

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

this is why people like you QQ ing about mes blindly are just plain stupid .

Its not like they can’t do a match out of tournament , just to prove their point .

or simply , dont run tempest , since they think mes is S tier and tempest is A tier .

i wonder how it will goes .

why the hell would they take time out of their practice scrim schedule to play stacked classes when that’s not what will help them get the prize money?

they should do it and then post a youtube video and analyze the entire game with commentary just so it can actually prove to YOU, random amber #20583 that yes, mesmers are indeed OP?

oh and PZ is a pro league team that has been running without a tempest, even before the patch.

thats why i said :
this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

you dont prove your stuff with detailed info and better the actual match , your words will be doubted . and since they wrote that stuff and certainly intended to affect game balance with their authority . it is called responsibility. If they DO NOT WANT TO prove things they said . They should NOT try to write stuff like that .

plain and simple .

musu.9205:

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

So Mes is countered by classes that are completely out of the meta? Mmmmh.

Sorry pal, but you just sound like an angry mesmer player. That list is pretty accurate, and Mesmer is definitely overperforming. Everyone was shocked that the class was basically untouched in the last balance patch.

Nice propaganda piece. QQ about QQ post that’s never been done before.

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

this is why people like you QQ ing about mes blindly are just plain stupid .

Its not like they can’t do a match out of tournament , just to prove their point .

or simply , dont run tempest , since they think mes is S tier and tempest is A tier .

i wonder how it will goes .

why the hell would they take time out of their practice scrim schedule to play stacked classes when that’s not what will help them get the prize money?

they should do it and then post a youtube video and analyze the entire game with commentary just so it can actually prove to YOU, random amber #20583 that yes, mesmers are indeed OP?

oh and PZ is a pro league team that has been running without a tempest, even before the patch.

and without hard facts and actual detailed info , in the past , we got that famous scream "scepter condi mes will dominate pvp "from Helseth.

Did you see that ever even happen? and Helseth was considered one of best mes in gw2 .

Zeghart.9841:

musu.9205:

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

So Mes is countered by classes that are completely out of the meta? Mmmmh.

Sorry pal, but you just sound like an angry mesmer player. That list is pretty accurate, and Mesmer is definitely overperforming. Everyone was shocked that the class was basically untouched in the last balance patch.

everyone was complaining DH everywhere too.

and remember the time that cele ele being too good , its counter signet necro stayed in meta too . but with buff war got , im not sure if they have enough kits to offer to a team .but they are in much better position now with better sustain .

if you only care to balance around 1v1 , keep QQing , i wont be bothered , but in QQ in wvw forum please

So…this class avoids damage like the S/D thiefs back in the days before HoT and sword/acro nerfs.

It brings the most effective CC in the game and can drop it twice in a row, on two targets at once, or continually less than half the cooldown it was originally balanced around.

It also bring some of the best boon strip available.

But just because the DPS is mediocre, people are trying to defend Chrono like it’s balanced.

Sorry, but chrono is the worst offender of the HoT power creep and it’s gotten worse. The only consolation is that it’s not as bad as it was in S1 where a mesmer was also a guaranteed rez/stomp in any team fight. However, as other classes were toned down, and in some cases just nailed heavily with nerfs (I.e. Scrappers and DH), mesmer is still a beast.

There will always be wild rhetoric when it comes to people calling for nerfs, but let’s be honest here.

This class is severely broken and I guarantee that if we don’t see significant changes, people at high tiers of S3 will realize that games will be primarily determined by which team has more mesmers.

I think the Mesmer hate comes from an early /age. When you are new to the game and get confused by all these clones. It then continues when you face Mesmers/chronos with higher skill, they rip you apart. You try your hardest, but they seem so strong.

I am talking about people in that stage where they wouldn’t stand a chance, no matter what build you have as a mesmer/chrono.

It is then the hate starts growing.

Now give that class you already feel an aversion to some nice and new gimmicks and the hate is real. Maybe the 2x moa is strong in teamfights. But there are counters, that one blind, that one Aegis, that one dodge, that block, that Invul, that target loss, that stun…

I have seen people claim, that Chronomancers (mesmer is the core spec Noone seem to bother about, but yet some are doing just as fine with core and without moa) are cheez and unskillfull. They claim that chronos are only rolling their faces over the keyboard. And still i get the feeling that many who make these claims would have lost to that mesmer/chrono either way.

Dahkeus.8243:

So…this class avoids damage like the S/D thiefs back in the days before HoT and sword/acro nerfs.

It brings the most effective CC in the game and can drop it twice in a row, on two targets at once, or continually less than half the cooldown it was originally balanced around.

It also bring some of the best boon strip available.

But just because the DPS is mediocre, people are trying to defend Chrono like it’s balanced.

Sorry, but chrono is the worst offender of the HoT power creep and it’s gotten worse. The only consolation is that it’s not as bad as it was in S1 where a mesmer was also a guaranteed rez/stomp in any team fight. However, as other classes were toned down, and in some cases just nailed heavily with nerfs (I.e. Scrappers and DH), mesmer is still a beast.

There will always be wild rhetoric when it comes to people calling for nerfs, but let’s be honest here.

This class is severely broken and I guarantee that if we don’t see significant changes, people at high tiers of S3 will realize that games will be primarily determined by which team has more mesmers.

Boon strip?
That is exactly the reason why the mesmers dont take us serious and dont think we know what we are talking about.

nerf shield.
echo of memory (shield 4) blocks once. always summons the phantasm when blocking an attack.
tides of time (shield 5) stuns on the outgoing wave and cripples (instead of stun) on the returning wave.

inspiration
restorative illusions (master trait) either remove the healing or the condi cleanse. if you want to keep them both then half the healing and reduce the cleanse per shatter.
this trait is the main offender: with the amount of shatters chronos can cast due to signet and chrono traits you get way too much healing and cleanse out of this trait.

disable continuum split for elites.

give moa a condi cleanse and a duration reduction to 6s. lower moa cooldown to 120.

-> chrono balanced

Dahkeus.8243:

So…this class avoids damage like the S/D thiefs back in the days before HoT and sword/acro nerfs.

It brings the most effective CC in the game and can drop it twice in a row, on two targets at once, or continually less than half the cooldown it was originally balanced around.

It also bring some of the best boon strip available.

But just because the DPS is mediocre, people are trying to defend Chrono like it’s balanced.

Sorry, but chrono is the worst offender of the HoT power creep and it’s gotten worse. The only consolation is that it’s not as bad as it was in S1 where a mesmer was also a guaranteed rez/stomp in any team fight. However, as other classes were toned down, and in some cases just nailed heavily with nerfs (I.e. Scrappers and DH), mesmer is still a beast.

There will always be wild rhetoric when it comes to people calling for nerfs, but let’s be honest here.

This class is severely broken and I guarantee that if we don’t see significant changes, people at high tiers of S3 will realize that games will be primarily determined by which team has more mesmers.

“It also bring some of the best boon strip available.”

if you really want to call something op , please , at very least check the build you are complaining .
link ?
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Chronomancer_-_Chronophantasma_Shatter

sword slow AA chain must be best boon strip somehow in your eyes lol .and corruption on necro ranged weapon scepter AA chain is laughing at you .

and despite mes being op or not , its like thief , stacking damage dealer mes isnt a wise beside thatop mantra period(lasted for two weeks) and s1 broken bunker chronomancer

Jekkt.6045:

nerf shield, inspiration and disable continuum split for elites. give moa a condi cleanse and a duration reduction to 6s. lower moa cooldown to 120. -> chrono balanced.

nerf everything useful on mes . mes is deleted .fixed for u

Asrat.2645:

Dahkeus.8243:

So…this class avoids damage like the S/D thiefs back in the days before HoT and sword/acro nerfs.

It brings the most effective CC in the game and can drop it twice in a row, on two targets at once, or continually less than half the cooldown it was originally balanced around.

It also bring some of the best boon strip available.

But just because the DPS is mediocre, people are trying to defend Chrono like it’s balanced.

Sorry, but chrono is the worst offender of the HoT power creep and it’s gotten worse. The only consolation is that it’s not as bad as it was in S1 where a mesmer was also a guaranteed rez/stomp in any team fight. However, as other classes were toned down, and in some cases just nailed heavily with nerfs (I.e. Scrappers and DH), mesmer is still a beast.

There will always be wild rhetoric when it comes to people calling for nerfs, but let’s be honest here.

This class is severely broken and I guarantee that if we don’t see significant changes, people at high tiers of S3 will realize that games will be primarily determined by which team has more mesmers.

Boon strip?
That is exactly the reason why the mesmers dont take us serious and dont think we know what we are talking about.

check my post history i literally posted balance/nerf idea about moa . but people just came with random qq about everything mes does .guess what , i do have to defend my class before it gets destroyed again (being a portal bot and thief food isnt fun guys )

musu.9205:

Jekkt.6045:

nerf shield, inspiration and disable continuum split for elites. give moa a condi cleanse and a duration reduction to 6s. lower moa cooldown to 120. -> chrono balanced.

nerf everything useful on mes . mes is deleted .fixed for u

nerf everything that’s unbalanced on mes. fixed that for you.

musu.9205:

check my post history i literally posted balance/nerf idea about moa . but people just came with random qq about everything mes does .guess what , i do have to defend my class before it gets destroyed again (being a portal bot and thief food isnt fun guys )

I did check your post history. I wasnt happy and I talked about that in a previous post.
Just nerfing the mesmer to the ground due to being too uniformed to understand the class is a bad attempt.
But defending an op class just because you dont want to loose your spot in the meta isnt good either.
Mesmer needs nerfs. It doesnt need major nerfs, but certain traits and abilities are either overperforming, or simply meant to cover up flaws in gameplay.
If something is too strong, you nerf it. If you overnerfed it, you buff it. And you keep going until you have good balance.
Mesmer is no exeption.
I only wish they would do that kitten faster than once/season so opness or unviability doesnt get to ruin everybody’s good time.

Jekkt.6045:

musu.9205:

Jekkt.6045:

nerf shield, inspiration and disable continuum split for elites. give moa a condi cleanse and a duration reduction to 6s. lower moa cooldown to 120. -> chrono balanced.

nerf everything useful on mes . mes is deleted .fixed for u

nerf everything that’s unbalanced on mes. fixed that for you.

inspiration line is perfectly balanced and even needs buff on some trait .and btw its the only trait line that offers mes reliable condi removal.

but inspiration lines works pretty good with shield 4 ,CP and IR and PoM.

it looks too good for you ,but if you nerf of them , all mes builds suffer and , mes only gets one build in meta .

but let me guess ,you only know the condi cleanse on shatter trait and think its op so you want it gone .

moa coolddown should be 90 s with 8s duration . nothing more .

if F5 doesnt affect elites then TW CD should be 120s .MI should have other effects .

Asrat.2645:

musu.9205:

check my post history i literally posted balance/nerf idea about moa . but people just came with random qq about everything mes does .guess what , i do have to defend my class before it gets destroyed again (being a portal bot and thief food isnt fun guys )

I did check your post history. I wasnt happy and I talked about that in a previous post.
Just nerfing the mesmer to the ground due to being too uniformed to understand the class is a bad attempt.
But defending an op class just because you dont want to loose your spot in the meta isnt good either.
Mesmer needs nerfs. It doesnt need major nerfs, but certain traits and abilities are either overperforming, or simply meant to cover up flaws in gameplay.
If something is too strong, you nerf it. If you overnerfed it, you buff it. And you keep going until you have good balance.
Mesmer is no exeption.
I only wish they would do that kitten faster than once/season so opness or unviability doesnt get to ruin everybody’s good time.

well , then i can agree with you .

the problem is that anet doing balance patch so slow , so we all fear what is coming .

The class tiering makes perfect sense in the higher tiers when you discuss the amount of utility and tools each commonly accepted meta build bring.

Mesmer literally has a perfect kit, and the build doesn’t sacrifice anything to gain anything else. Revenant is in a very similar boat, except what they lack in utility variety, they make up for with copious amounts of evasion and sustain tools.

The next tier down, Eles basically only have a single viable build, and they have to give up EVERYTHING other than survival tools. They’re the old bunker guards; wet noodle damage, great team support, but one good ele won’t carry a game because all they can do is not die, and keep other people from dying, and if their team can’t take advantage of that, it’s just a losing war of attrition.

Similarly, Druids are in the same spot as eles, except that they have damage while they lack the self defensive tools they need to survive against any person who knows how and when to use their CCs. They wouldn’t be used without healing power, and choosing either healing power high amulet leaves them vulnerable to the other type of damage, and Mender’s at least provides the hybrid role so that coupled with the pet, having an ele and druid on the same team doesn’t leave the burden of damage on the other 3 teammates.

I don’t have an opinion on the classes that have been out of the metagame, though my initial reaction is that thief can make a comeback with the specific goal of dealing with mesmers, and a good thief with the right build is probably interchangeable with engineers to some extent, and engineers are probably still A tier as well, with the B tier choice being a little too kneejerk, and Necros haven’t taken the time to properly explore their remaining toolkit against the current meta to really have an accurate placement, so that is a kneejerk placement as well.

All in all though, the Mesmer being S tier has nothing to do with being “too strong,” and has everything to do with having the largest impact, which, with Mesmers toolkit, a single highly skilled mesmer can carry entire matches based on the amount of plays they can make and teamfights they can swing. None of that is a bad thing.

If the mesmer needs any rebalancing at all, it would be a Moa duration (which needed to happen long, long before HoT ever came out), and potentially an increase to Portals coodown, not to remove either from play, but to bring them in line with how much impact they have in a game, especially at high levels. My opinion is that anybody asking for more nerfs than that is wanting to hurt the class, and not push for an actual balance equilibrium, because what the mesmer really needs is a pass over the other weapons they have so that when a mesmer builds from the metabuild, it actually feels like they are having to make a hard decision (EVERY class needs this pass), versus running a power shatter build, for instance.

Yeah mesmer is fine, the majority of this forums and other communities just have to LTP. I am actually biased as I haven’t played that much lately but I beleave that when such a large portion of a community is saying something is OP it is usually OP.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Yeah mesmer is fine, the majority of this forums and other communities just have to LTP. I am actually biased as I haven’t played that much lately but I beleave that when such a large portion of a community is saying something is OP it is usually OP.

So DH was indeed the most OP thing? Cause “a large portion of a community” did indeed complain about them soon after HoT released, and kept complaining even after they kept getting nerfed again and again.

What a joke

XxsdgxX.8109:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Yeah mesmer is fine, the majority of this forums and other communities just have to LTP. I am actually biased as I haven’t played that much lately but I beleave that when such a large portion of a community is saying something is OP it is usually OP.

So DH was indeed the most OP thing? Cause “a large portion of a community” did indeed complain about them soon after HoT released, and kept complaining even after they kept getting nerfed again and again.

What a joke

Never noticed that, it was just the first few days after HoT release but people did just as I said, LTP. But Necros where complained at alot just before patch. Before HoT there was Eles if I remember right. Or was it after… Orwell.

Jekkt.6045:

inspiration
[…]if you want to keep them both then half the healing and reduce the cleanse per shatter.
[…]

Don’t want to be that guy… today its 1 cleanse/shatter (not 1 cleanse/shattered illusion) … reducing that isn’t possible when you want to keep the cleanse
it’s nice that you want to bring forth ways to balance, but maybe you should invest time in the class you want to balance

XxsdgxX.8109:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Yeah mesmer is fine, the majority of this forums and other communities just have to LTP. I am actually biased as I haven’t played that much lately but I beleave that when such a large portion of a community is saying something is OP it is usually OP.

So DH was indeed the most OP thing? Cause “a large portion of a community” did indeed complain about them soon after HoT released, and kept complaining even after they kept getting nerfed again and again.

What a joke

Actually every DH whine post was filled with ppl saying that DH was not op. I cannot say the same about mesm posts

Flumek.9043:

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

Exactly this.
When DD ele was at its worst, we saw 4 dd ele +1 thief pug win against a known team.
Next week they limited it to 2 or 3x per team.

That doesnt change the balance facts, that one build is so above the rest it occupies several slots.
Mes and rev are just too good in overall 1v1s, living long in 1v2, killing fast in 2v1and generall y good in 3v3+ teamfights + having mobility, with mesmer moa even able to instantly kill in a teamfight.

The ele is still a crazy OP healer, its just in A-tier since compared to what i wrote above, ele “only” stalls fights and doesnt want 1v1s. It also requires minimal coordination, so soloq is plagued with revs and mesmers more.

Why avoid 1v1’s? I know Tempest is better off as a teamfight healer but sometimes you have teammates that run around together in a group of 3 going after one person so that leaves you to retake home or go far. Sometimes it’s empty, but if someone’s on it you have to 1v1. I’m having trouble with Chronos whenever I spec fire, water (for the aurashare and cleanse mainly), and Tempest, use Balthazaar runes, and run Viper’s amulet (normally I only go this route if the team has another ele or we’re support heavy) when I’m running scepter and focus or dagger and focus. Even as a standard aurashare Mender’s Tempest (with the cure chill and burning upon dodging trait) they’re trouble. It isn’t even moa or the double shield that’s the ish but the continuous flow of clones and gravity well baits lightning flash or stone flesh too well.

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

you will see teams without ele. you will not see teams without rev or mes. that’s why theyre S tier.

The DH changes (and most changes like stab) were all WvW based. This patch did little to change or help spvp.

Unterkiefer.8372:

Jekkt.6045:

inspiration
[…]if you want to keep them both then half the healing and reduce the cleanse per shatter.
[…]

Don’t want to be that guy… today its 1 cleanse/shatter (not 1 cleanse/shattered illusion) … reducing that isn’t possible when you want to keep the cleanse
it’s nice that you want to bring forth ways to balance, but maybe you should invest time in the class you want to balance

it’s still the same issue, either cleanse or heal, because chrono + inspiration results in too much of both.
the only alternative would be to nerf the chrono traits that make restorative illusions that strong (illusionary reversion, chronophantasma) although they have already been nerved once. a nerf to restorative illusions would certainly balance the sustain, but it’s also a nerf to the core class.

I think competent players only get irritated by high Moa uptime with F5 – which is very likely to be addressed. Everything else is completely manageable for players that understand the strengths/weaknesses that the current meta Chrono build has. I’m starting to see many players in-game catching on to how to dump on this build now. Surprised that Pro league people aren’t bothering.

Simonoly.4352:

I think competent players only get irritated by high Moa uptime with F5 – which is very likely to be addressed. Everything else is completely manageable for players that understand the strengths/weaknesses that the current meta Chrono build has. I’m starting to see many players in-game catching on to how to dump on this build now. Surprised that Pro league people aren’t bothering.

Because pro players know how to dump on everyone else by playing this build.

literally the only ppl complaining about how unjustly mesmers are considered OP are ambier tier scrubs that got carried to ruby by an insanely OP spec and thinks they should be legend in their own unskilled delusional minds.

As mesmer main, I definitely agree that the CS reset moa is making the current spec over the top. Maybe the shield skills are also a bit too strong.

But the bias against mesmer as a class is also undeniable for both casuals and pros. As some one pointed out, there are so few good mesmer players in the game compared to other professions. In current meta, a good mesmer is irreplaceable while professions like engi and ele can be easily played by any experienced PvP pros.

Considering how long specs like cele ele, cele engi, warriors and thieves have been dominating PvP before the expansion. I am not feeling too guilty of playing the current slightly OP mesmer spec.

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

It was allowed, before no stacking rule, and no one, well maybe one team did bring one mesmer and they lost.

I’ll even bet that no one read the recent update note for mesmer but once they heard there was no nerf every one one yell op.
They buff scepter that no was using
They buff off hand sword which no one was and will be using
They try to normalize flow of time by increasing its duration from 0.75 sec to 1 sec per clone and people forgot about the last nerf, nerf alacirty by 50%

Basically nothing change for mesmer for the metabattle condition build

Hlord.5940:

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

It was allowed, before no stacking rule, and no one, well maybe one team did bring one mesmer and they lost.

I’ll even bet that no one read the recent update note for mesmer but once they heard there was no nerf every one one yell op.
They buff scepter that no was using
They buff off hand sword which no one was and will be using
They try to normalize flow of time by increasing its duration from 0.75 sec to 1 sec per clone and people forgot about the last nerf, nerf alacirty by 50%

Basically nothing change for mesmer for the metabattle condition build

Well stated, and don’t forget, even after the no stacking rule, not every team had a Mesmer and some of them still won.

Soothsayer.9206:

Hlord.5940:

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

It was allowed, before no stacking rule, and no one, well maybe one team did bring one mesmer and they lost.

I’ll even bet that no one read the recent update note for mesmer but once they heard there was no nerf every one one yell op.
They buff scepter that no was using
They buff off hand sword which no one was and will be using
They try to normalize flow of time by increasing its duration from 0.75 sec to 1 sec per clone and people forgot about the last nerf, nerf alacirty by 50%

Basically nothing change for mesmer for the metabattle condition build

Well stated, and don’t forget, even after the no stacking rule, not every team had a Mesmer and some of them still won.

Maybe because they took moa instead of gravity well? I have to confess that I haven’t watched, but moa is the metabattle elite skill whereas gravity well has a shorter cooldown, zones perfectly on points, is AoE, reliably baits invulnerability and teleports, dark combo fields for reliable blinds, and can be traited to give allies alacrity. Moa is quite strong still but gravity well looks stronger and is less risky.

mes would be fine if continuum didnt work on elites, as another forumer said in another thread.

Booms.3952:

Hlord.5940:

Devitz.2136:

“and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .”

“core necro ,power reaper seems better now "

You are a real clown, a guy who should be banned from the forums because of the amount of bs you’re spreading. Or is it just some kind of a social experiment? Just checking how people react to your insane babble?
Teams would run at least 3 mesmers with maybe 2 revs or 1rev/ele just to add sth else than condi dmg if they could and I’m sure of it. Simply because moa counters everything, mes survi is great and you cover all the points with portals.

You simply have no clue about what you’re writing.

And for gods sake learn to use all the punctation marks or simply disappear until you learn sth about this game.

“3 mes and 2 rev” This got me interested, do tell when and where a team run 3 mes? before the recent update? before the no stacking rule? ESL?

no he’s probably right. “if they could” he said btw.
but yeah if there was no class stackign rule I’d expect 3 mes 1 rev 1 ele/druid tbh. Maybe -1 mes for another ele/druid.

Well they could before the no stacking rule but i’ve never seen any team taking mesmer, let alone staking 2 mesmer in their team, before the staking rule come in mesmer got alacrity nerf by 50% and their so call chrono bunker got guts, so I wonder when does these 3 mes, 1 rev and 1 ele/druid come in

Hlord.5940:

Booms.3952:

Hlord.5940:

Devitz.2136:

“and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .”

“core necro ,power reaper seems better now "

You are a real clown, a guy who should be banned from the forums because of the amount of bs you’re spreading. Or is it just some kind of a social experiment? Just checking how people react to your insane babble?
Teams would run at least 3 mesmers with maybe 2 revs or 1rev/ele just to add sth else than condi dmg if they could and I’m sure of it. Simply because moa counters everything, mes survi is great and you cover all the points with portals.

You simply have no clue about what you’re writing.

And for gods sake learn to use all the punctation marks or simply disappear until you learn sth about this game.

“3 mes and 2 rev” This got me interested, do tell when and where a team run 3 mes? before the recent update? before the no stacking rule? ESL?

no he’s probably right. “if they could” he said btw.
but yeah if there was no class stackign rule I’d expect 3 mes 1 rev 1 ele/druid tbh. Maybe -1 mes for another ele/druid.

Well they could before the no stacking rule but i’ve never seen any team taking mesmer, let alone staking 2 mesmer in their team, before the staking rule come in mesmer got alacrity nerf by 50% and their so call chrono bunker got guts, so I wonder when does these 3 mes, 1 rev and 1 ele/druid come in

You’ve never seen a team with a mesmer?every game in both seasons has had at least 1 mesmer and usually 2, and in season 1 most had 4 in each game 2 for each team

Mesmer is ridiculous. But it is not the damage it is the defense. One trait line offers shatters heal and remove conditions. 50% damage reduction from i defender and healing skills removing conditions. (If you go healing mantra route then even more healing).

Sustain is too prominent in this game many classes just stale mate when good players are trying to decap a point. Even berserk amulet doesn’t make them squishy enough save thief due to 11k hp.

all this qq . any of you try to think what can counter mesmer?
try warrior with 24 sec of resistance or DH

messiah.1908:

all this qq . any of you try to think what can counter mesmer?
try warrior with 24 sec of resistance or DH

Warrior is probably the best counter, has tons of interupts as well as almost constant resistance

Chase.2798:

Hlord.5940:

Booms.3952:

Hlord.5940:

Devitz.2136:

“and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .”

“core necro ,power reaper seems better now "

You are a real clown, a guy who should be banned from the forums because of the amount of bs you’re spreading. Or is it just some kind of a social experiment? Just checking how people react to your insane babble?
Teams would run at least 3 mesmers with maybe 2 revs or 1rev/ele just to add sth else than condi dmg if they could and I’m sure of it. Simply because moa counters everything, mes survi is great and you cover all the points with portals.

You simply have no clue about what you’re writing.

And for gods sake learn to use all the punctation marks or simply disappear until you learn sth about this game.

“3 mes and 2 rev” This got me interested, do tell when and where a team run 3 mes? before the recent update? before the no stacking rule? ESL?

no he’s probably right. “if they could” he said btw.
but yeah if there was no class stackign rule I’d expect 3 mes 1 rev 1 ele/druid tbh. Maybe -1 mes for another ele/druid.

Well they could before the no stacking rule but i’ve never seen any team taking mesmer, let alone staking 2 mesmer in their team, before the staking rule come in mesmer got alacrity nerf by 50% and their so call chrono bunker got guts, so I wonder when does these 3 mes, 1 rev and 1 ele/druid come in

You’ve never seen a team with a mesmer?every game in both seasons has had at least 1 mesmer and usually 2, and in season 1 most had 4 in each game 2 for each team

If possible could you give me a link to them? Especially the last two season