Que Without class stacking beta.
That is an impossible and ridiculous change to implement.
However you could remove class stacking from the match maker completely. This would result in longer queue times for any classes queuing in a higher ratio than others.
I think that this would definitely have a positive impact in lower tier games, as for higher tier players, I don’t know if they would be too happy about this change?
If you ever get the offering to work in mm design and general any game with pvp don’t take it. You will be that game’s downfall. Not allowing players to control how their comp wwill be like or addapt it when they see the enemy’s in the prematch section will do more harm than good. Mean while you didnt tell me why my suggestion was impossible to implement or ridiculous.
Ahh but I didn’t say remove players ability to swap classes did I? Anyway;
1) You can’t guarantee everyone has another class to play, let alone do they have one set up for pvp.
2) Without preventing the rest of the team from swapping to a class that would stack, you would be in the same problem.
3) To implement #2 for a starters only one player would be able to swap and ready up at a time (think about it……)
…………Do you see the massive rework required to make this happen yet?
And how will it prevent class stacking if they are free to swap classes?
As for my example we go : Prematch starts, ppl see the enemy teams and what they play and the call out classes. Ppl say which classes they can play or have and then they lock if the teams agrees to. If someone doesnt know more than 1 class says it to the rest and the team abjusts to that.
Propper communication the likes of which you see in a competitive environment. The rulles that aply against class stacking aply to all in 1 match. As for your 3rd point i cant quite understand it.
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Because no person in their right mind would swap from the class they queued up on to stack with another class on their team. This is then not removing class stacking BUT it is not only discouraging it but is removing any initial class stacking done by the match maker.
The problem with your idea is that a lot of the time you would be forcing people off of their most favoured/class they are skilled at best, how do you think the community would feel about that?
As opposed to actually being queued into a game where it is guaranteed there is no initial class stacking but they can change class if the match is really unbalanced.
Anyway, I will say it again, what if people don’t have another class to change to??? And even then say everyone did but they only had one other class you would be in a whole other problem.
For example if person A can only alt ele, person B can only alt person C’s class e.t.c. then you are forcing three people to fight as a class they are less skilled at. This could potentially force the entire teams players to swap classes.
In a proper competitive environment nobody would change classes ever, because they play what they are good at and the comps are pre-made. Anyway it’s too early in the morning for this kitten dude but it’s not too early to know its a bad idea.
Hows a 2 duo max que a 5 man premade? How are you sure if it meant for the enemy team a win they wouldnt class stack to get w/e advantage over the other team? If any team felt like class stacking would give them more chances to succed then simply a que like what you suggest wouldnt stop them. They have nothing to lose by doing it so why not do it?
As for your arguement about ppl liking some builds or classes i can understand that but, you make sacrifices, everyone does thats the one thing you gotta give up at time for being competitive.
I very much enjoy wierd build such as power mesmer or burn guard but i understand that if i want to compete i should give my team the most chances of success and if thats through me playing something else that is needed so be it.
Ofc ppl dont always have all classes but you adapt to it the way it work for your group. Have you also considered que tmes for overly popular classes and how bigger would they be for theem? Or que manipulations through queing with w/e for a short que then swapping to your favourite class because “who cares i dont have anything to lose”
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That’s not what I said, what I mean to say is the competitive players in gw2 don’t multi-class, if they do it’s probably one class, regardless they aren’t going to want to be forced to change classes.
So you see class stacking giving advantage whereas I see class stacking as a disadvantage. Granted in some cases class stacking might give some advantage but having to change from the class that you are best at is a disadvantage in its self.
Potentially forcing players to play something they aren’t skilled with, I think it’s madness. You could end up with one team having the perfect initial comp, the other having to change every class. Then you have the same unbalanced kitten complaining community!
I’m not talking about people not having all classes, I’m talking about people that either have NONE or have one they are absolutely terrible at. It’s not going to work! Yes I have considered que times for popular classes, did you read my first post? People already que up as less popular classes to get quicker queues dude.
What I’m saying is that you can’t force people to change classes, that will not only annoy people but would probably drive a lot away from playing. You can only encourage/discourage. I’m sure most of the community especially the competitive players you are talking about would agree with me here.
Potentially forcing players to play something they aren’t skilled with, I think it’s madness. You could end up with one team having the perfect initial comp, the other having to change every class. Then you have the same unbalanced kitten complaining community!
This exactly could happen with your suggested system if the comp the ppl who queued ended up with wasnt on par with the enemy’s
I’m not talking about people not having all classes, I’m talking about people that either have NONE or have one they are absolutely terrible at. It’s not going to work! Yes I have considered que times for popular classes, did you read my first post? People already que up as less popular classes to get quicker queues dude.
Wait what? How can you already que for less popular classes if classes dont matter in queues because you can get multiple classes so… and imagine that when the que time double after changing the que to disallow class stacking
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Wtf dude match maker will always do it’s MMR job. Try queuing as a theif, it takes alot longer to find games. Besides my friend I never said my idea was a good one, but I told you exactly what disadvantage it had. What I am trying to explain is you are not seeing the disadvantages of your idea at all. Anet have already said they will stop class stacking in automated tourneys but in que it’s not going to work.
i can see the possible problems it might create, also no they have said that class stackig will be allowed for the time being.
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