Guild Wars 2

So this feature patch killed pvp alts.
Before the wardrobe was introcuded, we had a locker for our pvp gear.
I was able to create a fresh character, hop into pvp, equip all (SIC!) skins i wanted to. For free.
Maybe I wasn’t happy with the looks after a few days, or weeks, so i just went to the locker, got some other stuff and changed my look. For free.

I’m not able to do that anymore. After this patch I’ve to dedicate resources to my pvp alts.
They need to level up (to 10?) in order to wear shoulder or head gear, I need to buy weapons, which then I have to transmute with transmutation charges to get the weapon skins I like. I have to unlock new skills, traits (and amulets ?) for gold, if i want to use them.
When I decide I don’t like the class, or the char and I proceed to delete them, everything mentioned above is deleted as well. All my resources I invested are lost.
Before the patch I placed the items back in the locker, deleted the char and was done, nothing was lost. That was good.
Coming from GW1, where I had several pvp-only chars, i was ok with the way of managing multiple pvp chars in GW2 … before this patch.

This change however is a huge let down in terms of toying with alts.
And with no template feature in sight, it totally destroys any incentive of testing out other classes, builds or races for the sake of testing.

You don’t have to buy shoulders or helm as the base stats are still included whether or not you’re wearing them.

Also all of the new traits are terrible, so no need to test.

Simplest solution is to buy more character slots.

Not reallya solution. You are still forced to grind / use €$ for the gems, in order to alleviate something you were able to do prepatch with no effort.

More money = more development

yes, you don’t have to buy them for the stats, but you have to if you want your character to wear a full armor set and look awesome. looking awesome is a huge part of pvp and gw2, thats why the game is so heavily skin-based.

from my point of view, playing a level 80 char or playing a level 2 char made no difference in pvp. but after this patch, i feel limited on my level 2 chars, and that feels wrong…

You can always level your characters, it takes less than 3 hours to hit level 10. Or use tomes of knowledge.

Knowing ANET’s history, once a patch is out its set in stone for a long time. You’re look at minimum 2 weeks here because of their patch cycle, get to leveling because it’s going to be this way from now on.

Chase.8415:

More money = more development

Not really. More money = more cash shop items = more money = more cash shop items = more support for the china version

I’m more concerned about how I can no longer have separate sets of gear when transferring between PvE and PvP (including having to swap weapons around when entering PvP) than I am about my character not having shoulderpads. This is a massive oversight esp when in a queue for a tournament game. The homogenization between PvE and PvP gear is SO bad.

I don’t know what they were thinking when they were updating Structure PvP.

They did a horrendous job on this. They, as per usual, didn’t think anything through. Buying character slots is not the answer. That only creates more problems.

This whole idea that I now have to re-pay for skins I already had and am limited in their use is complete and utter garbage! Almost 2 years worth of playing this game to now have to repurchase items and be CHARGED to wear the skins I worked to get is mind blowing.

@chase
I don’t think you get my point.
yes, I know I am able to all this stuff i did before, but it’s more complicated, it’s more expensive and it takes more time. this feature patch made a big upside of the game (playing pvp with a freshly made character right from the start without limiting the player in their build, gear, or style choices) worse.

yiishing.9057:

This change however is a huge let down in terms of toying with alts.

The Gem Store is that way →

Chase.8415:

More money = more development

This is such a dumb argument.

In every “real” business, you FIRST make the investment and than earn money, generated by your investment.

But there is almost no developement in PvP.
They should make good content and than, players would come.
Putting in the monetization stuff first, in oder to finance potential future investements is stupid and wont work.

Please, please, PLEASE make PvP unlocks accountbound. It was a fail desicion and everyone knows it. It was the same with WXP for the WvW people, you even changed it with this patch. It was exactly the same with WXP, the devs who are in contact with the community even said themselves that they don´t know why decided to go for it, exactly the same as now.

But apparently Anet does like to repeat their mistakes and scare people away who decided to take another look back at GW2.

EverythingEnds.4261:

Chase.8415:

More money = more development

This is such a dumb argument.

In every “real” business, you FIRST make the investment and than earn money, generated by your investment.

But there is almost no developement in PvP.
They should make good content and than, players would come.
Putting in the monetization stuff first, in oder to finance potential future investements is stupid and wont work.

It is not a dumb argument. I agree it is not always true but in general a company will rarely spend $1 dollar more on something then what it brings in. Prior to these changes pray tell how was GW2 to make money from pvp besides all these e-sports fantasies people dream up? Regardless, if they don’t put more resources into pvp and this is just a money grab I will just stop playing but your reasoning is closer to dumb then Chase’s based on my experience at least.

They’re bringing PvP down a few notches so it’s in line with PvE/WvW.

Not that it was in a great state to begin with. They’re slowly taking away what was great about the Mists – freedom.

Svarty.8019:

The Gem Store is that way ->

Not sure if you’re trolling, how can people be so accepting of spending real money for things you’ve already earned access to?

I had over 40 pvp skins on my necro alone, out of all 8 of my PvP characters I had over 100 across their inventories. This poorly thought out decision is a real deal breaker for me.

People have been complaining for years now that sPVP receives no content because it’s sibling PVE makes the most money, now that sPVP makes some money from PvE noobs (Yes, hardcore pvpers don’t actually care about dress up) You folks are complaining?

A lot of players are trying spvp now: Big plus,
Gem store buys means more money for development: Big plus
Lots of new Features (and upcoming templates? I hope?): Big Plus
Allowing Pvp Players to make gold/get access to rewards easier: Big plus.

As far as I Can see you guys don’t give two kitts about SPVP and wanna just play pretend dressup online, here let me help you with that apply skins> Put items in the bank > Transfer items to alt. Job done.

I agree with Darnis. Everything is a big plus. Any change for PvP is better than no change at all. We now have access to more skins in PvP, together with more people having fun.

Darnis.4056:

People have been complaining for years now that sPVP receives no content because it’s sibling PVE makes the most money, now that sPVP makes some money from PvE noobs (Yes, hardcore pvpers don’t actually care about dress up) You folks are complaining?

A lot of players are trying spvp now: Big plus,
Gem store buys means more money for development: Big plus
Lots of new Features (and upcoming templates? I hope?): Big Plus
Allowing Pvp Players to make gold/get access to rewards easier: Big plus.

As far as I Can see you guys don’t give two kitts about SPVP and wanna just play pretend dressup online, here let me help you with that apply skins> Put items in the bank > Transfer items to alt. Job done.

It’s not about dressup, it’s about being charged to use rewards we already earned, which is a pretty unethical decision and will surely bother folks in PvP, even hardcore players. Claiming the gem store purchases equals more financing for development and that earnings from transmutation charges will directly go into developing PvP content is a ridiculous leap of faith opinion. Lots of incoming features? Define lots, you named one. And as far as your last statement goes, we’ll see. I don’t think you’ll be able to earn cosmetic rewards faster with the new system from it’s apparent design but again, we’ll see.

I think this is a much much better system then any other game, as you basically have a bank for every skin in existence, you start with a nice amount of transmutes and you gradually earn stones to transmute by playing the game

You were given 1 charge per rank in pvp, 5 free and if you played any pve whatsoever you had a large stockpile of stones, I ended up around 150=80+5+65~(stones) and I got about 3-4 from doing reward tracks just yesterday, so I’m alright with this.

Darnis.4056:

I think this is a much much better system then any other game, as you basically have a bank for every skin in existence, you start with a nice amount of transmutes and you gradually earn stones to transmute by playing the game

You were given 1 charge per rank in pvp, 5 free and if you played any pve whatsoever you had a large stockpile of stones, I ended up around 150=80+5+65~(stones) and I got about 3-4 from doing reward tracks just yesterday, so I’m alright with this.

I think what you don’t understand, which was posted above, is that we are now being charged to use skins that we previously had unlocked as rewards and could use at any convenience and suddenly we’re now slapped with a limitation.

In PvE I can do an Arah run and choose from a set of stats, if there’s not a combo I like, sure, I could have transmuted them, but I still have an item I can use. This is not the case for PvP, we unlock a skin not an item now and we are charged for the privalege of using it, effectively making us pay for our rewards!

There are also other things that PvPers are not happy about including no longer being able to enter the mists and be in our PvP ready gear because of the unification of equipment, we now have to carry a seperate set and switch into everything. Sure this is a quality of life switch, but quality of life changes are supposed to be improvements, instead we’ve had a lot of convenience that we’ve had since release taken away and given an encumberance penality in the form of having to carry a bunch of different sets around instead.

As far as getting more people into PvP, I love this idea, it would be stupid to say otherwise and I wouldn’t be supporting PvP if I thought it should only be for a select few or the old guard who keep suggesting PvP should only be for them. unfortunately this also brings the type of player who will farm certain rewards and have a poor attitude doing it: there was a screenshot posted where a PvE player stated how they will just sit afk at the base so they don’t have to make any effort for the reward – this is the kind of trash we don’t want.