Guild Wars 2

Pretty sure they are true tbh. Buffing AI is the sort of thing Anet love, and not actually nerfing anything like spirit ranger/warrior/s/d thief.

The notes are legit. I am confident of it. Maybe not the most recent set of notes though I guess….

Lordrosicky.5813:

Pretty sure they are true tbh. Buffing AI is the sort of thing Anet love, and not actually nerfing anything like spirit ranger/warrior/s/d thief.

The notes are legit. I am confident of it. Maybe not the most recent set of notes though I guess….

Not every possible change stated on the leaked patch notes may go through. Happened in the past like that.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Pretty sure they are true tbh. Buffing AI is the sort of thing Anet love, and not actually nerfing anything like spirit ranger/warrior/s/d thief.

The notes are legit. I am confident of it. Maybe not the most recent set of notes though I guess….

one give away would be that the Necro staff marks are already 180 radius

hackks.3687:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Pretty sure they are true tbh. Buffing AI is the sort of thing Anet love, and not actually nerfing anything like spirit ranger/warrior/s/d thief.

The notes are legit. I am confident of it. Maybe not the most recent set of notes though I guess….

one give away would be that the Necro staff marks are already 180 radius

Not really 100% a giveaway since Anet makes mistakes like this all the time.

Allie please. This isn’t what happened befo..

Oh yeah. This game’s beyond salvation. Devs are actually lying so hard that EVEN YOU would waste time trying to convince people otherwise. Despite the patch notes from months ago being WAY TOOO FAITHFUL from the leaked patch notes that came out before each patch notes that I am talking about.

This is where the community dwindles.

And no if you try out staff Necro without greater marks AND THEN you take greater marks, the AoE marks will increase. Trust me, its actually 120 in-game.

I think the notes are true, to be honest.

Rather than tone down AoE power, they increase it.

Rather than slow balancing, let’s shift the entire game in another direction in terms of power.

Rather than bringing things down, methodically, in terms of power, let’s throw balance darts at the wall and see what happens.

Rather than leaving DPS guard alone, let’s buff it.

Ele was a torturous class to play against at release both in terms of raw power, survivability, and cantrips, let’s bring it back.

Rather than using root cause analysis to problem solve the imbalances, let’s employ jenga balance.

I don’t mean to be overly rude, negative, or derogatory, but this sounds like A.Net.

it’s too bad, i was telling my guildies this would be the best patch ever made by anet, and that I was actually impressed they managed to put that many good ideas to balance the game in at once.
go figure.

So I will make a prediction.

If these patch notes are real, people will complain about how Anet doesn’t know how to balance. Though if these turn out to be fake, the very same people will claim that whoever came up with these balance changes has more of a clue about pvp than all of the Anet balance team combined.

You just can’t win guys.

Slim.3024:

So I will make a prediction.

If these patch notes are real, people will complain about how Anet doesn’t know how to balance. Though if these turn out to be fake, the very same people will claim that whoever came up with these balance changes has more of a clue about pvp than all of the Anet balance team combined.

You just can’t win guys.

An 8% HealSig nerf? That’s enough to laugh anybody out of the community on the spot. Nobody is going to claim that that person knows what they’re talking about overall,

That being said… It is still to be determined whether or not that person has more of a clue than ANet does.

DoYourBestBear.6810:

I think the notes are true, to be honest.

Rather than tone down AoE power, they increase it.

Rather than slow balancing, let’s shift the entire game in another direction in terms of power.

Rather than bringing things down, methodically, in terms of power, let’s throw balance darts at the wall and see what happens.

Rather than leaving DPS guard alone, let’s buff it.

Ele was a torturous class to play against at release both in terms of raw power, survivability, and cantrips, let’s bring it back.

Rather than using root cause analysis to problem solve the imbalances, let’s employ jenga balance.

I don’t mean to be overly rude, negative, or derogatory, but this sounds like A.Net.

AMEN my brudda from anotha momma bear.

DoYourBestBear.6810:

I think the notes are true, to be honest.

Rather than tone down AoE power, they increase it.

Rather than slow balancing, let’s shift the entire game in another direction in terms of power.

Rather than bringing things down, methodically, in terms of power, let’s throw balance darts at the wall and see what happens.

Rather than leaving DPS guard alone, let’s buff it.

Ele was a torturous class to play against at release both in terms of raw power, survivability, and cantrips, let’s bring it back.

Rather than using root cause analysis to problem solve the imbalances, let’s employ jenga balance.

I don’t mean to be overly rude, negative, or derogatory, but this sounds like A.Net.

Yep. Pretty apt commentary on the state of the game that it could legitimately have been proper patch notes.

DoYourBestBear.6810:

I think the notes are true, to be honest.

Rather than tone down AoE power, they increase it.

Rather than slow balancing, let’s shift the entire game in another direction in terms of power.

Rather than bringing things down, methodically, in terms of power, let’s throw balance darts at the wall and see what happens.

Rather than leaving DPS guard alone, let’s buff it.

Ele was a torturous class to play against at release both in terms of raw power, survivability, and cantrips, let’s bring it back.

Rather than using root cause analysis to problem solve the imbalances, let’s employ jenga balance.

I don’t mean to be overly rude, negative, or derogatory, but this sounds like A.Net.

Actually it looks like anet are trying to kill mesmer aoe ( if you can call clone death by replacement an aoe) by making sure the clones don’t cause death effects when they are replaced. So anet really don’t want mesmers to have much in the way of aoe or have very little control, therefore they want mesmers to be used only for utility in wvw.

The Primary.6371:

DoYourBestBear.6810:

I think the notes are true, to be honest.

Rather than tone down AoE power, they increase it.

Rather than slow balancing, let’s shift the entire game in another direction in terms of power.

Rather than bringing things down, methodically, in terms of power, let’s throw balance darts at the wall and see what happens.

Rather than leaving DPS guard alone, let’s buff it.

Ele was a torturous class to play against at release both in terms of raw power, survivability, and cantrips, let’s bring it back.

Rather than using root cause analysis to problem solve the imbalances, let’s employ jenga balance.

I don’t mean to be overly rude, negative, or derogatory, but this sounds like A.Net.

Actually it looks like anet are trying to kill mesmer aoe ( if you can call clone death by replacement an aoe) by making sure the clones don’t cause death effects when they are replaced. So anet really don’t want mesmers to have much in the way of aoe or have very little control, therefore they want mesmers to be used only for utility in wvw.

^this is the sad truth for mes atm….however if those patchnotes are fake then there is maybe still hope. im so so so tired of veilbotting in wvw. we are a light armor class with the worst aoe i have ever seen on a lightarmor class in an mmo.
we need non ai and non ai related aoe.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Pretty sure they are true tbh. Buffing AI is the sort of thing Anet love, and not actually nerfing anything like spirit ranger/warrior/s/d thief.

The notes are legit. I am confident of it. Maybe not the most recent set of notes though I guess….

tbh i also think most of them are legit ..some can only be wrong because the numbers cant be right but some actually make sense and would be good changes ofc i dont trust all of the notes

judging by AI builds getting buffed, warriors avoiding an actual nerf and the reliability of previous leaked notes i’d still say that many of these notes are probably accurate even if some were changed/removed.

What I’m finding interesting about this thread is the number of people who don’t believe Anet’s word that these update notes are false.

It seems Anet has lost the trust of many of its customers.

Actually according to these notes, warrior would be getting a small nerf. No regen on dodged march, 2 second nerf on Berserker stance and a small HS nerf.

instead of making posts like this, what about actual balance patches before there’s no one left playing this game ?

Such patchnotes have leaked before, but this is the first time someone from arenanet outright denied they were legit, even making a seperate thread to state this.
The other times, iirc, they just locked threads and sort of half heartedly said something like “not saying these are true or not”.
If it turns out these notes were legit, this thread is just suicide by community. I mean come on, a community manager just flat out lying to the entire community in such a blatant fashion. You can kiss your kitten goodbye.

There are changes in these patchnotes that seem entirely out of the ordinairy. Juggernaut for Engineer, halves Retaliation damage taken with flamethrower? Oddly specific.
Or Enfeebling Grenade on the kit refinement. Or the Personal Battering Ram dealing more damage if the target is immobilized, and then removed immobilize before applying the knockback.

All really odd changes, i dont think these patchnotes are legit.

Well if these notes are true then they are the worst ever by far. To wait so long for this would be hilarious.

I predicted some time ago that Anet would work towards buffing spirit weapons and turrets and things. They love the screen clutter, apparently they think its good game design to not be able to see what you are doing.

Even if these arent accurate, I would say they are based on fact. I think they are going to buff guardian spirit weapons, I mean they are adding an elite for it too!

I have already quit this game, so at this point following this game is just something I do out of habit. I predict:
1, They will buff ai specs and not nerf the strong one (spirit ranger)
2, This will result in EVEN more clutter on your screen
3, They won’t fix more than 5 of the 100+ broken traits and skills in the game
4, Their new game mode will be hot join only so they can “test it out” aka they dont have time to produce a tournament queue for it
5, Everyone will rage the forums
6, This game will die even further
7, Anet will then PvE the PvP part of the game (already in progress with rewards and looks being transferable)

I’m on the fence tbh, every time patch notes get leaked like this they are spot on, however nobody usually comes out and denies it from Anet.

I am sincerely hoping that ‘they are not real’ does not mean ‘these are the changes that are going through however the leaker mistakenly put in necro staff changes from an old patch and made some typos, therefore they are technically not real’

Some of the changes look good, some do not

Lordrosicky.5813:

Pretty sure they are true tbh. Buffing AI is the sort of thing Anet love, and not actually nerfing anything like spirit ranger/warrior/s/d thief.

The notes are legit. I am confident of it. Maybe not the most recent set of notes though I guess….

Tbh I’m thinking the exact same thing. These notes also seem oddly in line with the previous elite skill leaks. Either it’s the same guy just causing ANet grief or they really don’t want us to have the slightest clue what’s coming.

Considering the only meaningful thief change makes the class even more gimmicky (improv) I hope these notes are fake. Mostly now I’m just bored and I want new builds to play. I want S/D to be as viable as S/P and hell… let’s make P/D tourney viable finally.

Do me a favor and hire the guy who made these fake patch notes, at least for guardians, he knows what he is doing.

“Dev: These patch notes are not real!” = “These patch notes are real but are missing a couple things”.

Sauncho.8076:

Do me a favor and hire the guy who made these fake patch notes, at least for guardians, he knows what he is doing.

No he doesn’t. These notes include buffs to spirit weapons. That is the last thing this game needs. And if you think it does then congrats you think like anet.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Sauncho.8076:

Do me a favor and hire the guy who made these fake patch notes, at least for guardians, he knows what he is doing.

No he doesn’t. These notes include buffs to spirit weapons. That is the last thing this game needs. And if you think it does then congrats you think like anet.

It’s kind of an awkward predicament ..

I never want to see a Spirit Weapon army, (or Turret Forest) in PvP Maps in addition to the already awful presence of Minions & Spirits that are there currently.

So, from one perspective, a lot of players and shoutcasters would be glad to never see another A.I nameplate as long as they lived.

From another perspective, it’s a shame that the staggering number of utility slots dedicated to pure A.I minions in GW2 should be just treated as empty slots – that should not be the case.

In terms of direction where A.I in this game should be, it’s obviously an extremely muddled and near inoperable subject.

My opinion is that general A.I (Minions, Phantasms, Turrets, Spirit Weapons, Spirits, Elementals) should be heavily buffed and optimized for PvE/WvW zergs – and have a PvP split where pure A.I Health levels are nerfed into un-viability. Easy builds need corresponding rewards in tPvP.

My 2c..

But yeah, pls, no Turrets or Spirit Weapons in tPvP, it’s bad enough. There should be less Minions and Spirits too, pls. Pls.

The weird nerf to bullcharge makes it seem real to me

Would make perfect sense in the balance teams way of thinking

A. I. needs to be less automated and more skill based. Have spirit weapons attack only when you land a successful attack yourself. Have turrets fire only when specific conditions have been met, etc.

zone.1073:

A. I. needs to be less automated and more skill based. Have spirit weapons attack only when you land a successful attack yourself. Have turrets fire only when specific conditions have been met, etc.

Then whats your take on signets? They require even less player interaction, namely none, to offer their benefits to the user.

selan.8354:

The Primary.6371:

DoYourBestBear.6810:

I think the notes are true, to be honest.

Rather than tone down AoE power, they increase it.

Rather than slow balancing, let’s shift the entire game in another direction in terms of power.

Rather than bringing things down, methodically, in terms of power, let’s throw balance darts at the wall and see what happens.

Rather than leaving DPS guard alone, let’s buff it.

Ele was a torturous class to play against at release both in terms of raw power, survivability, and cantrips, let’s bring it back.

Rather than using root cause analysis to problem solve the imbalances, let’s employ jenga balance.

I don’t mean to be overly rude, negative, or derogatory, but this sounds like A.Net.

Actually it looks like anet are trying to kill mesmer aoe ( if you can call clone death by replacement an aoe) by making sure the clones don’t cause death effects when they are replaced. So anet really don’t want mesmers to have much in the way of aoe or have very little control, therefore they want mesmers to be used only for utility in wvw.

^this is the sad truth for mes atm….however if those patchnotes are fake then there is maybe still hope. im so so so tired of veilbotting in wvw. we are a light armor class with the worst aoe i have ever seen on a lightarmor class in an mmo.
we need non ai and non ai related aoe.

True, actual, straight up AOE damage that puts an impact on the battle field.

Just wait for next week, with the (sorry for dev bash) vague comments on upcoming pvp features on stream. Personal bias goes here: if the devs actually talked about upcoming changes [i.e not leaving broken skills for 1-3 months with no change] actually tell the playerbase on feedback (fake patch notes got enough responses to be so secretive) there are still some players left to give honest feedback on changes that will/won’t make it on the “feature patch” at least get some community opinions instead of getting bashed on forums over and over. People want to help this game get good but lack of public test server among other things leaves very few players to keep playing this game, with 2 more sub based games coming out in march.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Sauncho.8076:

Do me a favor and hire the guy who made these fake patch notes, at least for guardians, he knows what he is doing.

No he doesn’t. These notes include buffs to spirit weapons. That is the last thing this game needs. And if you think it does then congrats you think like anet.

Yes lets keep skills useless then. How wise is it to give a class skills that aren’t practical. Are they there for decoration then?

What is done is done, Anet already messed up with having too much AI in game. They could at the very least make sure the AI minions are good. No one uses spirit weapons in pvp, wvw or pve because they are hot garbage. Fixing them so they aren’t garbage isn’t a bad thing.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Sauncho.8076:

Do me a favor and hire the guy who made these fake patch notes, at least for guardians, he knows what he is doing.

No he doesn’t. These notes include buffs to spirit weapons. That is the last thing this game needs. And if you think it does then congrats you think like anet.

it seems to me that you read only the part where it says “increased spirit weapon damage by 10%” and stopped. if you read further, it says the trait that increased their damage is 30%. it used to be 50%. so this results in a 10% nerf in damage

though i disagree on spirit weapons being nerfed. the only OP nasty one is hammer, and that’s due to CC not it’s damage, i would like to see some use of the sword one more often, imo sword needs to have 50% more damage not a nerf of 10% lol

AI builds should never reach a high status of viability (and reward) and work only in lower or medium brackets of play. And that goes for Spirit Weapons too.

Sari.9836:

AI builds should never reach a high status of viability (and reward) and work only in lower or medium brackets of play. And that goes for Spirit Weapons too.

Agreed. I want to see all AI builds nerfed. It just promotes a skill less play. I think there needs to be one of two changes.

1. Double the cooldown of any AI
2. Nerf the damage to almost zero so that they are distractions, but not the main focus.

style.6173:

Sari.9836:

AI builds should never reach a high status of viability (and reward) and work only in lower or medium brackets of play. And that goes for Spirit Weapons too.

Agreed. I want to see all AI builds nerfed. It just promotes a skill less play. I think there needs to be one of two changes.

1. Double the cooldown of any AI
2. Nerf the damage to almost zero so that they are distractions, but not the main focus.

well, if you are talking about phantasms, then u must be aware of the fact that phantasms are the main dmg dealers for mesmers and that our weapons dont deal as much direct damg because of that. i wouldnt mind an ai change at all on my mesmer. ai is pretty much all the mesmer is about: most of our traits are about shattering illusions, phantasms and illusions.
so yeah if this gets nerfed like u suggested, then mes need a redesign. more weapon streangth, faster aa, more aoe, new aoe that is non ai based, new traits, new skills.
and to be honest i would welcome this change.

Someone sure is getting worked up a lot for something that is ‘not real’. After all, everyone will be able to tell just how ‘real’ the changes are once they hit live, no?

But hey, it’s a good way of doing ninja ‘public testing’ of their suggestions before they hit live! Loads of room for changes on the most absurd and hated points! And at the end of the day, they can always cover it up with the good old ‘see we told you the original was a lie’.
A win-win scenario, I’m rather impressed.

lets not deal damage at all, lets just go for bunker specs so nobody can kill anyone. i hate dying, its just not part of the game man

i love how there is no response on such criticism like what was the thought behind the change/reasons to do so or whatever…
nothing…
never…
since release

XGhoul.7426:

Just wait for next week, with the (sorry for dev bash) vague comments on upcoming pvp features on stream. Personal bias goes here: if the devs actually talked about upcoming changes [i.e not leaving broken skills for 1-3 months with no change] actually tell the playerbase on feedback (fake patch notes got enough responses to be so secretive) there are still some players left to give honest feedback on changes that will/won’t make it on the “feature patch” at least get some community opinions instead of getting bashed on forums over and over. People want to help this game get good but lack of public test server among other things leaves very few players to keep playing this game, with 2 more sub based games coming out in march.

Well idk if anet + nsoft have that time for us to help them to perfect the game. They should have created this initiative just after game release.

Lord is right, when they leak patch notes they never change them, no matter what the public opinion is.

spirits arent ai, they are counterable buffs.

turrets (as other ai) imo need manual mode. for instance they can periodically fire ground targeted shot (within the range of their location), which needs player activation. no auto attack