Guild Wars 2

For everyone who is having trouble with this game in PvP here is your answer:

www.metabattle.com

You pick a build off of that, and the matches become so much easier.

SPvP took a blow after the April Patch, and it has been in steady decline since. I believe after all of these useless updates the only way A-net could fix the SPvP in this game would be by adding new weapons for each class(ie: Guardian with daggers hee-hee), new classes, new trait lines, etc, or just nerf all of the gimmick builds, so people have to start thinking again, or even just go back two patches! Keep all of the reward tracks and additions like that but just take the skill balance back a couple patches!

Solo Q is littered with trashy gimmick builds making SPvP almost as challenging as PvE. In my last match I could identify 5 people running builds off of www.metabattle.com. This is rediculous, and I know it won’t change.

(don’t talk to me about trying team pvp, it’s almost the same story just with more decap engis)

jbondo.9817:

just nerf all of the gimmick builds, so people have to start thinking again, or even just go back two patches!

im agree with you about nerf all of the “gimmick builds” but..

go back to 2 patches ago???

2 patches ago:

-hambow war
-spirit ranger
-decap engie
-s/p thief

Seriously?

that was God Gimmick Build meta, you want to heal the patient killing it!

I have been running a shatter build ever since I created my mesmer 2 years ago. Now it’s a gimmick build because it’s on that site?

jbondo.9817:

aelfwe.4239:

jbondo.9817:

just nerf all of the gimmick builds, so people have to start thinking again, or even just go back two patches!

im agree with you about nerf all of the “gimmick builds” but..

go back to 2 patches ago???

2 patches ago:

-hambow war
-spirit ranger
-decap engie
-s/p thief

Seriously?

that was God Gimmick Build meta, you want to heal the patient killing it!

I don’t recall having any problem with people running those builds two patches ago.

So they should balance, change, and adjust based on what you are not "having any problem with people running "…………..Seems to me that would be a terrible idea.

jbondo.9817:

For everyone who is having trouble with this game in PvP here is your answer:

www.metabattle.com

You pick a build off of that, and the matches become so much easier.

SPvP took a blow after the April Patch, and it has been in steady decline since. I believe after all of these useless updates the only way A-net could fix the SPvP in this game would be by adding new weapons for each class(ie: Guardian with daggers hee-hee), new classes, new trait lines, etc, or just nerf all of the gimmick builds, so people have to start thinking again, or even just go back two patches! Keep all of the reward tracks and additions like that but just take the skill balance back a couple patches!

Solo Q is littered with trashy gimmick builds making SPvP almost as challenging as PvE. In my last match I could identify 5 people running builds off of www.metabattle.com. This is rediculous, and I know it won’t change.

(don’t talk to me about trying team pvp, it’s almost the same story just with more decap engis)

So you really think that playing meta builds would be enough to be good? LOL There are people out there who don’t usually play meta specs (Like xerrex) being way BETTER than randoms playing meta specs…just saying…if you don’t know how to rotate, how to play against different classes and specs or to dodge (At least) you’re gonna be a freekill even if you run the best meta builds around…that, btw, are not there…(Hambow with strenght runes and sure footed…yeah…and variants with celestial or zerker ROFL)…my ranger’s spec isn’t even there and it’s the most kittened thing you can play on ranger atm (Not dps crap ofc)…while they put power (again…POWER) ranger in that while it had never been meta and never will be outside killing randoms in hotjoin, that site is a joke…and ppl believing that are even worse

And…if you talk about “more decap engis” you clearly know nothing about tpvp…well…this isn’t a surprise after reading the first part of your post..

vinceftw.5086:

I have been running a shatter build ever since I created my mesmer 2 years ago. Now it’s a gimmick build because it’s on that site?

So today you’re going to learn about ethos.

I have a site with your shatter build on it. A website that I’m beginning to believe already has a large following.

(I’m not saying metabattle made the build, but I’m saying this guy isn’t anywhere near as credible as the website even)

I also have a comment from you, and I don’t know who you are, but apparently you’ve been playing shatter Mesmer for two years, which is just depressing in itself.

So my response is: Why the kitten would I trust a random guy, and why would you even try to take credit for playing one of the most OP (OVER-PLAYED) builds in the game?

Archaon.9524:

jbondo.9817:

For everyone who is having trouble with this game in PvP here is your answer:

www.metabattle.com

You pick a build off of that, and the matches become so much easier.

SPvP took a blow after the April Patch, and it has been in steady decline since. I believe after all of these useless updates the only way A-net could fix the SPvP in this game would be by adding new weapons for each class(ie: Guardian with daggers hee-hee), new classes, new trait lines, etc, or just nerf all of the gimmick builds, so people have to start thinking again, or even just go back two patches! Keep all of the reward tracks and additions like that but just take the skill balance back a couple patches!

Solo Q is littered with trashy gimmick builds making SPvP almost as challenging as PvE. In my last match I could identify 5 people running builds off of www.metabattle.com. This is rediculous, and I know it won’t change.

(don’t talk to me about trying team pvp, it’s almost the same story just with more decap engis)

So you really think that playing meta builds would be enough to be good? LOL There are people out there who don’t usually play meta specs (Like xerrex) being way BETTER than randoms playing meta specs…just saying…if you don’t know how to rotate, how to play against different classes and specs or to dodge (At least) you’re gonna be a freekill even if you run the best meta builds around…that, btw, are not there…(Hambow with strenght runes and sure footed…yeah…and variants with celestial or zerker ROFL)…my ranger’s spec isn’t even there and it’s the most kittened thing you can play on ranger atm (Not dps crap ofc)…while they put power (again…POWER) ranger in that while it had never been meta and never will be outside killing randoms in hotjoin, that site is a joke…and ppl believing that are even worse

And…if you talk about “more decap engis” you clearly know nothing about tpvp…well…this isn’t a surprise after reading the first part of your post..

I’m sorry man I saw all the typos and l33t speak and I didn’t pay attention to what you were trying to tell me. Could you try that again in English?

dancingmonkey.4902:

jbondo.9817:

aelfwe.4239:

jbondo.9817:

just nerf all of the gimmick builds, so people have to start thinking again, or even just go back two patches!

im agree with you about nerf all of the “gimmick builds” but..

go back to 2 patches ago???

2 patches ago:

-hambow war
-spirit ranger
-decap engie
-s/p thief

Seriously?

that was God Gimmick Build meta, you want to heal the patient killing it!

I don’t recall having any problem with people running those builds two patches ago.

So they should balance, change, and adjust based on what you are not "having any problem with people running "…………..Seems to me that would be a terrible idea.

If you’d read the first paragraph again I asked for more variety or at the very least to go back two balances ago.

I myself don’t have trouble killing gimmick builds, but I do get bored. I get really bored, and when 5-6 people are running these kittenty meta builds spamming the same chain over and over again, spamming Solo Q, and wearing champ titles proclaiming they’re the best in the game.. well lets just say it’s irritating.

What I’m trying to get at is that I don’t think ‘metas’ going to disappear, but more viable options for each class would make the game so much more interesting..

Could you image a Guardian running around with d/p? Come on!! (hee-hee)

Oh look another person kittening about builds and metakitten.com yay!

Everyone should just stop using the effective builds that have been found after playing this game for 2 years. We need soldiers signet necros, cleric d/d thieves, settlers s/f eles, assasins altruistic healing gaurds, etc.

NeXeD.3042:

Oh look another person kittening about builds and metakitten.com yay!

Everyone should just stop using the effective builds that have been found after playing this game for 2 years. We need soldiers signet necros, cleric d/d thieves, settlers s/f eles, assasins altruistic healing gaurds, etc.

^ I’m sure you’re only responding to this because metakitten supplies all of the builds that you use, and you don’t want to be a ‘bad’ player do you?

That’s right boy.

Now play fetch!!

jbondo.9817:

vinceftw.5086:

I have been running a shatter build ever since I created my mesmer 2 years ago. Now it’s a gimmick build because it’s on that site?

So today you’re going to learn about ethos.

I have a site with your shatter build on it. A website that I’m beginning to believe already has a large following.

(I’m not saying metabattle made the build, but I’m saying this guy isn’t anywhere near as credible as the website even)

I also have a comment from you, and I don’t know who you are, but apparently you’ve been playing shatter Mesmer for two years, which is just depressing in itself.

So my response is: Why the kitten would I trust a random guy, and why would you even try to take credit for playing one of the most OP (OVER-PLAYED) builds in the game?

And who are you? The High Lord of pvp? Your ego put a crack in my monitor. Guy said he runs a shatter build, probably similar to the one on the site, because, gasp, there are really only slight variations in shatter builds. He never claimed to have created it, he was just wondering why it is suddenly a gimmick build now that it’s on metabattle. What’s even more baffling about your post is this idea that somehow these meta builds were somehow a big secret before landing on that website. That’s an almost impressive amount of naivete.

You’re dumb. And should go away.

jbondo.9817:

NeXeD.3042:

Oh look another person kittening about builds and metakitten.com yay!

Everyone should just stop using the effective builds that have been found after playing this game for 2 years. We need soldiers signet necros, cleric d/d thieves, settlers s/f eles, assasins altruistic healing gaurds, etc.

^ I’m sure you’re only responding to this because metakitten supplies all of the builds that you use, and you don’t want to be a ‘bad’ player do you?

That’s right boy.

Now play fetch!!

I am a bad player, but it has nothing to do with what build I’m running. =)

jbondo.9817:

Archaon.9524:

jbondo.9817:

For everyone who is having trouble with this game in PvP here is your answer:

www.metabattle.com

You pick a build off of that, and the matches become so much easier.

SPvP took a blow after the April Patch, and it has been in steady decline since. I believe after all of these useless updates the only way A-net could fix the SPvP in this game would be by adding new weapons for each class(ie: Guardian with daggers hee-hee), new classes, new trait lines, etc, or just nerf all of the gimmick builds, so people have to start thinking again, or even just go back two patches! Keep all of the reward tracks and additions like that but just take the skill balance back a couple patches!

Solo Q is littered with trashy gimmick builds making SPvP almost as challenging as PvE. In my last match I could identify 5 people running builds off of www.metabattle.com. This is rediculous, and I know it won’t change.

(don’t talk to me about trying team pvp, it’s almost the same story just with more decap engis)

So you really think that playing meta builds would be enough to be good? LOL There are people out there who don’t usually play meta specs (Like xerrex) being way BETTER than randoms playing meta specs…just saying…if you don’t know how to rotate, how to play against different classes and specs or to dodge (At least) you’re gonna be a freekill even if you run the best meta builds around…that, btw, are not there…(Hambow with strenght runes and sure footed…yeah…and variants with celestial or zerker ROFL)…my ranger’s spec isn’t even there and it’s the most kittened thing you can play on ranger atm (Not dps crap ofc)…while they put power (again…POWER) ranger in that while it had never been meta and never will be outside killing randoms in hotjoin, that site is a joke…and ppl believing that are even worse

And…if you talk about “more decap engis” you clearly know nothing about tpvp…well…this isn’t a surprise after reading the first part of your post..

I’m sorry man I saw all the typos and l33t speak and I didn’t pay attention to what you were trying to tell me. Could you try that again in English?

tried to search you on both eu and na ladders…no result.

so no…i’m not even gonna try to explain that again, you won’t understand anyway.

geekanerd.4123:

jbondo.9817:

vinceftw.5086:

I have been running a shatter build ever since I created my mesmer 2 years ago. Now it’s a gimmick build because it’s on that site?

So today you’re going to learn about ethos.

I have a site with your shatter build on it. A website that I’m beginning to believe already has a large following.

(I’m not saying metabattle made the build, but I’m saying this guy isn’t anywhere near as credible as the website even)

I also have a comment from you, and I don’t know who you are, but apparently you’ve been playing shatter Mesmer for two years, which is just depressing in itself.

So my response is: Why the kitten would I trust a random guy, and why would you even try to take credit for playing one of the most OP (OVER-PLAYED) builds in the game?

And who are you? The High Lord of pvp? Your ego put a crack in my monitor. Guy said he runs a shatter build, probably similar to the one on the site, because, gasp, there are really only slight variations in shatter builds. He never claimed to have created it, he was just wondering why it is suddenly a gimmick build now that it’s on metabattle. What’s even more baffling about your post is this idea that somehow these meta builds were somehow a big secret before landing on that website. That’s an almost impressive amount of naivete.

You’re dumb. And should go away.

Well yeah I’d assume the build that he’s running was the same as the build on the site, because he said that didn’t he?

So now that one enigma has been solved we’re on to the next!

No these builds were around but now they are everywhere. That’s why I’m upset.

“You’re dumb. And should go away.”

Do you not understand that ‘and’ is a conjunction and you’re using sentence fragments to call me dumb? I love this.

You’re dumb. And should go away.
-Sincerely, my large ego.

Archaon.9524:

jbondo.9817:

Archaon.9524:

jbondo.9817:

For everyone who is having trouble with this game in PvP here is your answer:

www.metabattle.com

You pick a build off of that, and the matches become so much easier.

SPvP took a blow after the April Patch, and it has been in steady decline since. I believe after all of these useless updates the only way A-net could fix the SPvP in this game would be by adding new weapons for each class(ie: Guardian with daggers hee-hee), new classes, new trait lines, etc, or just nerf all of the gimmick builds, so people have to start thinking again, or even just go back two patches! Keep all of the reward tracks and additions like that but just take the skill balance back a couple patches!

Solo Q is littered with trashy gimmick builds making SPvP almost as challenging as PvE. In my last match I could identify 5 people running builds off of www.metabattle.com. This is rediculous, and I know it won’t change.

(don’t talk to me about trying team pvp, it’s almost the same story just with more decap engis)

So you really think that playing meta builds would be enough to be good? LOL There are people out there who don’t usually play meta specs (Like xerrex) being way BETTER than randoms playing meta specs…just saying…if you don’t know how to rotate, how to play against different classes and specs or to dodge (At least) you’re gonna be a freekill even if you run the best meta builds around…that, btw, are not there…(Hambow with strenght runes and sure footed…yeah…and variants with celestial or zerker ROFL)…my ranger’s spec isn’t even there and it’s the most kittened thing you can play on ranger atm (Not dps crap ofc)…while they put power (again…POWER) ranger in that while it had never been meta and never will be outside killing randoms in hotjoin, that site is a joke…and ppl believing that are even worse

And…if you talk about “more decap engis” you clearly know nothing about tpvp…well…this isn’t a surprise after reading the first part of your post..

I’m sorry man I saw all the typos and l33t speak and I didn’t pay attention to what you were trying to tell me. Could you try that again in English?

tried to search you on both eu and na ladders…no result.

so no…i’m not even gonna try to explain that again, you won’t understand anyway.

I’m surprised this guy still doesn’t understand the leader boards.

You can be 10-0 and be the #1 on those charts.

You might want to take a look?

The leaderboards aren’t the end all beat all but unless you are on a troll acct, just by accident you should have made it out of the percentages at least once, so if you are a very experienced pvper then you are a very experienced bad pvper.

Even I made it out of the percentages at some point and I’m an awful necro.

NeXeD.3042:

jbondo.9817:

NeXeD.3042:

Oh look another person kittening about builds and metakitten.com yay!

Everyone should just stop using the effective builds that have been found after playing this game for 2 years. We need soldiers signet necros, cleric d/d thieves, settlers s/f eles, assasins altruistic healing gaurds, etc.

^ I’m sure you’re only responding to this because metakitten supplies all of the builds that you use, and you don’t want to be a ‘bad’ player do you?

That’s right boy.

Now play fetch!!

I am a bad player, but it has nothing to do with what build I’m running. =)

Respect.

Anyway, as a response to the thread, best not to call those builds gimmicky. See, it was simply survival of the fittest. The best, well thought out build beat the other builds or players. A good player with a bad build perhaps was as good as a bad player with a good build. In which case, once that good player took up the good build, it became an upward trend from there. The bad build, however, will simply bring any player down with it. These are builds which have evolved since the beginning of the game and come from those smart enough to realize the synergy of the traits. However, just as the home computer has become industrialized and is no longer a DIY project, these builds have become a “meta” for all players to use. Instead of touching these in any way, the best thing for the game is throwing more traits and weapons and mechanics in, thus adding to the possibilities people have to create new metas or builds.

So, overall, I agree with the direction you think the game should go in, but we should still respect the “cheese” builds as playing smarter if not better[skill-wise].

Dondagora.9645:

Anyway, as a response to the thread, best not to call those builds gimmicky. See, it was simply survival of the fittest. The best, well thought out build beat the other builds or players. A good player with a bad build perhaps was as good as a bad player with a good build. In which case, once that good player took up the good build, it became an upward trend from there. The bad build, however, will simply bring any player down with it. These are builds which have evolved since the beginning of the game and come from those smart enough to realize the synergy of the traits. However, just as the home computer has become industrialized and is no longer a DIY project, these builds have become a “meta” for all players to use. Instead of touching these in any way, the best thing for the game is throwing more traits and weapons and mechanics in, thus adding to the possibilities people have to create new metas or builds.

So, overall, I agree with the direction you think the game should go in, but we should still respect the “cheese” builds as playing smarter if not better[skill-wise].

NO WAY HAVE I FOUND A RATIONAL PERSON ON THESE GOD kitten FORUMS!!!

Thank you for hearing me out! Yes, I’d be happy to keep these gimmick builds, but there needs to be more versatility, even for those using www.metabattle.com they’d only have the choice of two builds (as of right now, imagine seeing 10 builds on that list) I know any bad player that’d look at the thief builds that MetaBattle has on their site would incorrectly play it, only getting one shotted each match, it’d either be too difficult or they’d figure it out after awhile, but imagine if builds were set in place with different objectives that could maybe match new tasks added to the maps…etc making a niche for ‘bad’ players.

I feel as if reaction time is a large part of this game, and of course some people aren’t going to be on par with others, so why count them off in a game? I’ve been in plenty where I’ve been negated completely by another build, and it’s not something you want to keep playing if you don’t expect any pleasant result.

It’s spvp, and I feel over the past few years it’s grown. (it may be diminishing now)
Not every single player is a champion, and we all know people freak out when someone isn’t playing on par, so why expect someone to play on the standards as someone else when there could be an easier objective for that person to do, and still be beneficial towards the team

(I apologize that’s a little off topic this conversation just became so intriguing.)

You throw in 5-6 more builds per each class that are easily just as accepted as the gimmick builds with different play style and it’d alter the demographic positively ( I feel more people would be innovative given a larger pallet INCLUDING BAD PLAYERS); however, coming up with all of these new play styles, etc… would take time, but if they slightly enhanced some of the runes and amulets this problem would go away over night. Given people were informed of these new additions of course.

NeXeD.3042:

The leaderboards aren’t the end all beat all but unless you are on a troll acct, just by accident you should have made it out of the percentages at least once, so if you are a very experienced pvper then you are a very experienced bad pvper.

Even I made it out of the percentages at some point and I’m an awful necro.

I’ve been out of the percentages multiple times.

My record starting turning around when I quit maining guardian and started experimenting with other classes. I think I play best on either guardian or warrior, but it depends. Some nights Thief/Mes are my go to. (there are no cheese classes so kitten right here) I have a champion title on all 4 of these characters, so I feel I’ve played them enough for a general understanding.

I also noticed back when Solo Q was a lot more challenging, you simply didn’t know what you were going to run into working up the percentages was a lot harder. I know I can play any of these builds on any of these forums, but where would the challenge be?

Solo Q used to have so much more to it, and if these new players could have seen those days of SPvP they might understand why I’m a little unhappy with the current SPvP.

Erm, did you just realize the existence of “meta builds” in a competitive environment once that website was posted? Because it’s not like any of the builds on that site are new or different – they’re all pretty well-defined old builds that have existed for over a year. And now they’ve been compiled onto a convenient site so that newer players can have access to them right off the bat.

I think the difference between PvP now and a few months ago is that while there was a meta, you could generally build to counter the meta in some way and therefore be considered viable. Now, it’s generally better to beat the meta using the meta because the meta is just head and shoulders above anything else.

Look at how many meta builds rely on running a tanky ammy like Celestial/Soldiers and stacking might. Before, running these sigils meant you would have good sustain but terrible damage, now you can get both via Sigil of Battle and fire fields for an extended duration. Factor in the Sigil of Intelligence changes and even having low precision is no big deal.

Only a few builds on Thief, Mesmer, or Ranger are viable when using Zerker, and that’s due to the “cowardly” (using stealth/clones/range to avoid being a target) nature of those builds. Trying to run power on any other class is generally just flat out worse than using tanky + might. You’ll only have a bit more damage and they’ll simply outlast you.

All my old gimmick builds used to be pretty strong against the meta, now I just run them as a sad joke. Variety is all but dead, it’s pretty much run the meta or be useless.

How can spvp be RIP if it never was alive?

jbondo.9817:

Archaon.9524:

jbondo.9817:

Archaon.9524:

jbondo.9817:

For everyone who is having trouble with this game in PvP here is your answer:

www.metabattle.com

You pick a build off of that, and the matches become so much easier.

SPvP took a blow after the April Patch, and it has been in steady decline since. I believe after all of these useless updates the only way A-net could fix the SPvP in this game would be by adding new weapons for each class(ie: Guardian with daggers hee-hee), new classes, new trait lines, etc, or just nerf all of the gimmick builds, so people have to start thinking again, or even just go back two patches! Keep all of the reward tracks and additions like that but just take the skill balance back a couple patches!

Solo Q is littered with trashy gimmick builds making SPvP almost as challenging as PvE. In my last match I could identify 5 people running builds off of www.metabattle.com. This is rediculous, and I know it won’t change.

(don’t talk to me about trying team pvp, it’s almost the same story just with more decap engis)

So you really think that playing meta builds would be enough to be good? LOL There are people out there who don’t usually play meta specs (Like xerrex) being way BETTER than randoms playing meta specs…just saying…if you don’t know how to rotate, how to play against different classes and specs or to dodge (At least) you’re gonna be a freekill even if you run the best meta builds around…that, btw, are not there…(Hambow with strenght runes and sure footed…yeah…and variants with celestial or zerker ROFL)…my ranger’s spec isn’t even there and it’s the most kittened thing you can play on ranger atm (Not dps crap ofc)…while they put power (again…POWER) ranger in that while it had never been meta and never will be outside killing randoms in hotjoin, that site is a joke…and ppl believing that are even worse

And…if you talk about “more decap engis” you clearly know nothing about tpvp…well…this isn’t a surprise after reading the first part of your post..

I’m sorry man I saw all the typos and l33t speak and I didn’t pay attention to what you were trying to tell me. Could you try that again in English?

tried to search you on both eu and na ladders…no result.

so no…i’m not even gonna try to explain that again, you won’t understand anyway.

I’m surprised this guy still doesn’t understand the leader boards.

You can be 10-0 and be the #1 on those charts.

You might want to take a look?

Then go for 10-0 then (And btw you need 12 matches to get on ladder…you don’t even know that so yeah..)…and it would be still better than being another unknown random talking bs on forums…

“I have champion on 4 chars” lol…i have champ on 4 chars too…..

…on third account…

I think Dondagora already defended the existence of meta-builds well enough, so I won’t repeat that.

A bad player won’t become good because of a meta-build. They’ll probably become better, since they have a more coherent build, but a build alone isn’t enough. You need to know much more, have much more skill than just mapping out the correct traits. And creating a build is a different skillset from playing properly, so I don’t see it as a big problem that people can easily find effective builds.

And the existence of meta-builds is kinda hard to overcome. There are only so many skill and trait combinations you can make effective, which is narrowed down by the fact that some skills, weapons and traits are just plain useless. If you add a weapon for each profession, or rework the bad traits, the builds will adapt and you’ll see the meta changing. But you’ll still end up with a meta of two or three builds per profession. You see the same with Magic: The Gathering: When new cards are added to Standard, you briefly see a lot of people trying out new decks, but relatively quickly you’ll see meta-decks pop into existence.