Guild Wars 2

Hey Forum,

when Anet made the stability changes they sorted all spells in categories.

Offensive Spells = 1 Stability
Defensive Spells = 3 Stability

At the moment the Rampage counts as a defensiv spell but in my opinion for an defensiv spell it makes way too high dmg compared to a real defensiv spell like plague from necromancer. Anet should wether nerf the stability to 1 stack all 3 sec or to reduce the dmg output by a lot and when you use rampage you just get into a defensiv cc monster.

Angelo

IronPhoenix.2045:

Hey Forum,

when Anet made the stability changes they sorted all spells in categories.

Offensiv Spells = 1 Stability
Defensiv Spells = 3 Stability

At the moment the Rampage counts as a defensiv spell but in my opinion for an defensiv spell it makes way too high dmg compared to a real defensiv spell like plague from necromancer. Anet should wether nerf the stability to 1 stack all 3 sec or to reduce the dmg output by a lot and when you use rampage you just get into a defensiv cc monster.

Angelo

Rampage already got nerfd and warrior is already weak and out of the meta so no need to nerf even more.

Rampage is fine now. No need to nerf it.

wow really? rampage is a L2P thing. Why cant you just chill him and out run him. Or in the case of a mesmer or thief just out move him? guardian has shelter and 2 dodge rolls and then 1 block and your done. What are you doing in pvp? Do you just stand there and say hey he shouldnt hit me?

kdaddy.5431:

wow really? rampage is a L2P thing. Why cant you just chill him and out run him. Or in the case of a mesmer or thief just out move him? guardian has shelter and 2 dodge rolls and then 1 block and your done. What are you doing in pvp? Do you just stand there and say hey he shouldnt hit me?

While I’m not advocating for another Rampage nerf, you’re arguments are a bit flawed.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rampage

-33% towards Chill, Cripple, and Immobilize.
Rampage also applies perma-Swiftness.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dogged_March

Another -33% reduction towards Chill, Cripple, and Immobilize.

Applying these conditions doesn’t really help you out-run a Rampage Warrior that has perma-Swiftness and a Leap. As a class with high mobility you can totally do it, but play on a Necro and try to run away by applying Chill; it’s not going to end well.

rampage gets hard countered by perma blindness and perma blocks.

it was balanced before the un-required nerf.
is is weak now.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

rampage gets hard countered by perma blindness and perma blocks.

it was balanced before the un-required nerf.
is is weak now.

Most classes can’t do any of those.

The whole point of rampage is to spit in the face of necromancers with a better version of lich form.

Zenith.7301:

The whole point of rampage is to spit in the face of necromancers with a better version of lich form.

It really did feel like a spit in the face when we got a duration nerf and Rampage became what it is.

At least Plague renders it useless, I guess.

Malchior.5732:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

rampage gets hard countered by perma blindness and perma blocks.

it was balanced before the un-required nerf.
is is weak now.

Most classes can’t do any of those.

Most classes can counter rampage easily. Mes+ thief have stealth and teles, war has endure pain/blocks, guard has blocks and blinds and invuln, ele has alot of blind+tele, mes and engi have moa, ranger has stealth and signet of stone. And on top of that everone has 2 dodges And just pop plague on necro and perma blind rampage war. Its totally a L2P thing.

Malchior.5732:

kdaddy.5431:

wow really? rampage is a L2P thing. Why cant you just chill him and out run him. Or in the case of a mesmer or thief just out move him? guardian has shelter and 2 dodge rolls and then 1 block and your done. What are you doing in pvp? Do you just stand there and say hey he shouldnt hit me?

While I’m not advocating for another Rampage nerf, you’re arguments are a bit flawed.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rampage

-33% towards Chill, Cripple, and Immobilize.
Rampage also applies perma-Swiftness.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dogged_March

Another -33% reduction towards Chill, Cripple, and Immobilize.

Applying these conditions doesn’t really help you out-run a Rampage Warrior that has perma-Swiftness and a Leap. As a class with high mobility you can totally do it, but play on a Necro and try to run away by applying Chill; it’s not going to end well.

Its why necros at high levels use plague and then all you do is press the 2 button.

Let me pick a class and simply put down how they can beat rampage

mesmer- invisibility, port, distortion or moa

thief-shadows step, invisibility,blindness

guardian- 1 of the million blocks and invulnerability it has

engy- going mini. shield for blocking, using the moa elixer(seriously a tool belt skills nerfs warriors elite)

ele-doesnt need explained

warrior- double endure the pain, shield for blocks

Necro- plague elite

ranger- though this class is harder but you have the invulnerability signet, block from GS, pet takes damage, (also if you run traps say good bye to the rampage warrior)

I dont know what else you want, Ramapage duration time reduced, damage reduced, stability reduced, attack range for 2 of the skills is please be right in front of me and your still not finding a way to win. Seriously the warrior unless shoutbow has some of the longest cool downs in the game and there is no attempt by the other players in the game to ajust. Seriously i didnt even mention the 2 dodges you get for the very obvious attacks coming your way.

So you guys really think its ok that rampage is at the moment a defensive skill ? If it would make dmg like pleague then its a defensive skill and when it makes dmg like a lich its obviosly offensive. So when you are ok that rampage is defensive pls give lich 3 stacks stability and make lich count as defensive skill. And yes warrior is weak at the moment but do you really want that warrior got 1 good spell and rest is sux or do you want real balance where he is good overall and rampage is balanced.
And its not only warrior its engi too everyone just wants that rampage but compared to the ultis from necro rampage is just a bad joke and needs to get fixed either like a offensive lich with 1 stack stability or a defensive one like pleague with low dmg but high cc.

who cares if it’s a defensive skill according to your definition?
3 stacks stability is completly fine and anything below that would nerf it into the ground.

rampage is actually even pretty much crap right now – don’t know how people can still be that bad to complain about this.

-It gets countered directly by mesmers moa and enigs moa which is even a “fX”-skill.
-Engis and guards have so much blocks and invulnerability they don’t really have to care about rampage.
-Thiefs- you can only try to oneshot them otherwise they just step/stealth away
-necs have weakness + plague
-and eles are the biggest joke anyway, apart from that they have a laughable survivability, you’ll get blinded 24/7

There should not be any single nerf before they don’t have nerfed ele
warrior is kitten atm so don’t even try to make him even worse

warrior’s rampage was balanced,
warrior’s rampage is now weak.
warrior’s everything else is weaker.

mesmer is balanced btw.
i’m playing my mesmer now.
keeping my warrior in the closet for the time being.

i dunno how to play d/d celele so i hope they nerf ele good.

dominik.9721:

who cares if it’s a defensive skill according to your definition?
3 stacks stability is completly fine and anything below that would nerf it into the ground.

rampage is actually even pretty much crap right now – don’t know how people can still be that bad to complain about this.

-It gets countered directly by mesmers moa and enigs moa which is even a “fX”-skill.
-Engis and guards have so much blocks and invulnerability they don’t really have to care about rampage.
-Thiefs- you can only try to oneshot them otherwise they just step/stealth away
-necs have weakness + plague
-and eles are the biggest joke anyway, apart from that they have a laughable survivability, you’ll get blinded 24/7

There should not be any single nerf before they don’t have nerfed ele
warrior is kitten atm so don’t even try to make him even worse

All of your examples you could just bring to the lich form. Why should get lich form 1 stack stability when you can counter her with every single example of your list ?
While Rampage is just: Lich DPS + CC + Defensive Buffs + CC reduction + 3 Stacks Stability.
So why Lich form only deserves 1 stack while rampage which is basically the evolved Lich form gets 3 stacks ?

And like i said warrior is weak but maybe the balance should be focused on the weaknesses of the warrior not on 1 ulti spell.

then pls make a new thread and demand for lich getting 3 stacks of stab.
None cares about your definition of “defenisve” and “offensive” skills or what ever.
Complaining about Rampage just makes clear that you have no idea about the current balance state and how to handle it.
fact.