Guild Wars 2

Who’d win if they went mano a mano?

I made an attempt on my engie a few minutes ago but I got stupid tornado. I always get tornado fml.

So between a necro and warrior, which transformation is better in team fights and a 1v1 duel.

Has anyone tried? Assuming warrior has full adrenaline and necro plays a power build.

Lich form 1 seem to hit more but slow while rampage skills are all pretty useful.

Rampage would win for sure. Rampage is actually able to CC lich form because lich form only has 1 stack of stab, so 2 CCs will CC it and rampage has so many CCs, whereas lich can’t CC rampage. Rampage also has that 25% incoming damage reduction that lich form doesn’t.

why wouldnt you use the moa on the tool belt skill on both? You just beat them both with your tool belt skill.

Also in a 1 vs1 rampage wins but in my teams experience Lich is better for team fights.

kdaddy.5431:

why wouldnt you use the moa on the tool belt skill on both? You just beat them both with your tool belt skill.

Also in a 1 vs1 rampage wins but in my teams experience Lich is better for team fights.

Lich insta-dies in a team fight partly due to the fact that CC spam works quite well vs its 1 pulsing stack of stability. It also doesn’t have the ability to res, stomp, CC spam people trying to res/stomp, nor does it have perma swiftness for kiting or chasing thigns that kite and it doesn’t have the reduced immob/cripple/chill durations.

Belial.9350:

kdaddy.5431:

why wouldnt you use the moa on the tool belt skill on both? You just beat them both with your tool belt skill.

Also in a 1 vs1 rampage wins but in my teams experience Lich is better for team fights.

Lich insta-dies in a team fight partly due to the fact that CC spam works quite well vs its 1 pulsing stack of stability. It also doesn’t have the ability to res, stomp, CC spam people trying to res/stomp, nor does it have perma swiftness for kiting or chasing thigns that kite and it doesn’t have the reduced immob/cripple/chill durations.

Plus Lich can be countered entirely by just hitting “A” and “D” repeatedly.

Liches to liches, dust to dust indeed

man i tried this a lot. Always rampage win since patch.

kdaddy.5431:

why wouldnt you use the moa on the tool belt skill on both? You just beat them both with your tool belt skill.

Also in a 1 vs1 rampage wins but in my teams experience Lich is better for team fights.

That moa tool belt is amazing. I used it for critical rezzing but the cd is longer than the elixir elite.

Yeah I agree that Lich form if positioned properly, can down opponents faster than rampage thru the piercing, hard hitting 1 skill.

You are obviously playing lich the wrong way.
You have the big range advantage and can hide behind your allies. If the enemy comes towards you you hit him ~3x before he even moved the 1200 units towards you.
Also using it from higher ground etc where it may not be instantly seen can be very useful in teamfights. Or beeing behind the enemy where he doesn’t even see where the damage is coming from until the second or third hit (which usually means gg for them). But you will always see that rampage warrior on you latest with the first hit.
Usually I pop lich when they are busy with my teammates and before they even realized where I am and can properly react due to the combat situation I can crit down about 2 guys, or at least hit them so hard that my teammates have an easy game to finish them off.
With rampage they see you coming and instantly run away. Lich has to be used more sneaky.

E: Lich does of course lose 1v1 against rampage.

online.1278:

man i tried this a lot. Always rampage win since patch.

I tried it just now on my warrior instead of engie.

Lich form didn’t stand a chance. I didn’t even have full adrenaline. I activated heal signet for 6 sec of protection plus stance before the transform coz I’m still not very good w/ warrior

Belial.9350:

Rampage would win for sure. Rampage is actually able to CC lich form because lich form only has 1 stack of stab, so 2 CCs will CC it and rampage has so many CCs, whereas lich can’t CC rampage. Rampage also has that 25% incoming damage reduction that lich form doesn’t.

Totally

Rampage wins out over lich form on everything.

Even a 1vs1.

Rampage can be blinded.
So can lich form.
Rampage cannot be reflected.
Lich form can.

The only bonus going for Lich form is it’s ranged, that’s it. But rampage can easily close the gap with just about anything.

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

Rampage wins out over lich form on everything.

Even a 1vs1.

Rampage can be blinded.
So can lich form.
Rampage cannot be reflected.
Lich form can.

The only bonus going for Lich form is it’s ranged, that’s it. But rampage can easily close the gap with just about anything.

People also forget about the most important advantage, which is the lower cooldown by 30 seconds and 33% longer length.

The bigger question is…why does this surprise anyone?

Warriors have been far preferred over Necros in both PvE and PvP for years…even without Rampage playing a factor.

Why would they nerf Lich repeatedly and buff Rampage based on this indisputable record for both professions??? I’ll let others make claims of “preferential treatment”, “poor logic”, or “incompetent development”.

However, I would look at another Necro elite to probably justify all-of-the-above…the Flesh Golem. The AI on this Elite is so poor that any developer would be ashamed in 2001…much less 2015. The fact that NOTHING has been done to fix it despite all the other changes recently made in the game speaks volumes.

Now compare either of those to Ele’s Tornado and weep at how aweful it is

Belial.9350:

kdaddy.5431:

why wouldnt you use the moa on the tool belt skill on both? You just beat them both with your tool belt skill.

Also in a 1 vs1 rampage wins but in my teams experience Lich is better for team fights.

Lich insta-dies in a team fight partly due to the fact that CC spam works quite well vs its 1 pulsing stack of stability. It also doesn’t have the ability to res, stomp, CC spam people trying to res/stomp, nor does it have perma swiftness for kiting or chasing thigns that kite and it doesn’t have the reduced immob/cripple/chill durations.

do you have a plan when you go lich or do you just pop it in the middle of the circle?

When we have a power necro we either go shout warrior with it or bunker guardian to give the necro a might boost and that character runs into the circle while the necro waits for them to attack him and pop lich. With the guardian it works amazing since he stacks might gives the stab shout and runs into the circle and the lich form attacks from far away. It downs everyone and im wondering what you guys are trying to do with lich?

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Now compare either of those to Ele’s Tornado and weep at how aweful it is

not worse then warriors battle standard or necros golem or engys mortar and so on and so on

kdaddy.5431:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Now compare either of those to Ele’s Tornado and weep at how aweful it is

not worse then warriors battle standard or necros golem or engys mortar and so on and so on

Are you really saying that Tornado is better than Warbanner?

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

kdaddy.5431:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Now compare either of those to Ele’s Tornado and weep at how aweful it is

not worse then warriors battle standard or necros golem or engys mortar and so on and so on

Are you really saying that Tornado is better than Warbanner?

its doesnt work all the time, has the longest cool down. Tornado at least lloks cool and does dmg.

War banner doesnt work when a team mate health is too low and psn and so on and so on. If the skill doesnt work and your playing warrior your dead.

kdaddy.5431:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

kdaddy.5431:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Now compare either of those to Ele’s Tornado and weep at how aweful it is

not worse then warriors battle standard or necros golem or engys mortar and so on and so on

Are you really saying that Tornado is better than Warbanner?

its doesnt work all the time, has the longest cool down. Tornado at least lloks cool and does dmg.

War banner doesnt work when a team mate health is too low and psn and so on and so on. If the skill doesnt work and your playing warrior your dead.

why exactly are you dead when you fail the banner?

and a good war never banners when the ally is already 10seconds in downstate, you should rather pop banner like 1sec before your mate drops so he can get insta rezzed (if he somehow survives like a baws just stow it)

Lukas.7159:

kdaddy.5431:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

kdaddy.5431:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Now compare either of those to Ele’s Tornado and weep at how aweful it is

not worse then warriors battle standard or necros golem or engys mortar and so on and so on

Are you really saying that Tornado is better than Warbanner?

its doesnt work all the time, has the longest cool down. Tornado at least lloks cool and does dmg.

War banner doesnt work when a team mate health is too low and psn and so on and so on. If the skill doesnt work and your playing warrior your dead.

why exactly are you dead when you fail the banner?

and a good war never banners when the ally is already 10seconds in downstate, you should rather pop banner like 1sec before your mate drops so he can get insta rezzed (if he somehow survives like a baws just stow it)

your joking right? This is a elite skill and warrior doesnt get the boons a ele or guardian gets. It doesnt get the stealth a thief gets. It doesnt have the distortion/blinds/reflect/ instant stuns a mesmer gets.

ANd he uses a elite skill which could of been rampage a really good 20 sec which is easily condi downed so you have to run a stance with it, or the signet which grants 5 stacks might, fury, and swiftness and can be traited for a lesser cool down.

Your a warrior with no elite skill which means your useless. Showbow warriors need the signet for condi removal and dmg. Zerker warriors need stances and rampage, and since the banner doesnt work no one uses it since they will have a terrible build with a useless elite skill.

Eles dont need a elite skill to win fights, engys dont need elite skills to win fights. Warriors can only sustain or do massive dmg, there is no middle ground for us and if we try to play team support with a broken banner we are the worse and bunking. Thats why were dead

1v1 , you hit me i hit u aka DPS vs EHP = Rampage wins , even before patch (dmg reduction and more armor).

Reality:
Mobilty, stabilty, stomping, CC, COOLDOWN , stance vs. spectral yes/no carrying on…… im just baffled at the devs letting this slide by, while someone had enough thought to nerf lich down to 15s to prevent “too long traited duration”… no words

Warbanner is still quite viable as an elite. A well-timed banner can easily swing a teamfight entirely in your favor. Even if you drop it too early, the pulsing boons give your entire team a strong edge.

But right now, it’s being put in direct competition with the strongest skill in the game and a good, low cooldown buff. Warbanner is still a great skill, but it doesn’t quite compare to its direct competition.

kdaddy.5431:

Lukas.7159:

kdaddy.5431:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

kdaddy.5431:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Now compare either of those to Ele’s Tornado and weep at how aweful it is

not worse then warriors battle standard or necros golem or engys mortar and so on and so on

Are you really saying that Tornado is better than Warbanner?

its doesnt work all the time, has the longest cool down. Tornado at least lloks cool and does dmg.

War banner doesnt work when a team mate health is too low and psn and so on and so on. If the skill doesnt work and your playing warrior your dead.

why exactly are you dead when you fail the banner?

and a good war never banners when the ally is already 10seconds in downstate, you should rather pop banner like 1sec before your mate drops so he can get insta rezzed (if he somehow survives like a baws just stow it)

your joking right? This is a elite skill and warrior doesnt get the boons a ele or guardian gets. It doesnt get the stealth a thief gets. It doesnt have the distortion/blinds/reflect/ instant stuns a mesmer gets.

ANd he uses a elite skill which could of been rampage a really good 20 sec which is easily condi downed so you have to run a stance with it, or the signet which grants 5 stacks might, fury, and swiftness and can be traited for a lesser cool down.

Your a warrior with no elite skill which means your useless. Showbow warriors need the signet for condi removal and dmg. Zerker warriors need stances and rampage, and since the banner doesnt work no one uses it since they will have a terrible build with a useless elite skill.

Eles dont need a elite skill to win fights, engys dont need elite skills to win fights. Warriors can only sustain or do massive dmg, there is no middle ground for us and if we try to play team support with a broken banner we are the worse and bunking. Thats why were dead

You’re either a really bad warrior, or fight warriors in hotjoin who are just doing the daily.

kdaddy.5431:

Tornado at least lloks cool and does dmg.

Yes, I’m obviously going to take tornado to look cool…

And the damage is nothing, nobody’s going to facetank tornado especially when it has no swiftness and can’t clear immob.

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

kdaddy.5431:

Lukas.7159:

kdaddy.5431:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

kdaddy.5431:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Now compare either of those to Ele’s Tornado and weep at how aweful it is

not worse then warriors battle standard or necros golem or engys mortar and so on and so on

Are you really saying that Tornado is better than Warbanner?

its doesnt work all the time, has the longest cool down. Tornado at least lloks cool and does dmg.

War banner doesnt work when a team mate health is too low and psn and so on and so on. If the skill doesnt work and your playing warrior your dead.

why exactly are you dead when you fail the banner?

and a good war never banners when the ally is already 10seconds in downstate, you should rather pop banner like 1sec before your mate drops so he can get insta rezzed (if he somehow survives like a baws just stow it)

your joking right? This is a elite skill and warrior doesnt get the boons a ele or guardian gets. It doesnt get the stealth a thief gets. It doesnt have the distortion/blinds/reflect/ instant stuns a mesmer gets.

ANd he uses a elite skill which could of been rampage a really good 20 sec which is easily condi downed so you have to run a stance with it, or the signet which grants 5 stacks might, fury, and swiftness and can be traited for a lesser cool down.

Your a warrior with no elite skill which means your useless. Showbow warriors need the signet for condi removal and dmg. Zerker warriors need stances and rampage, and since the banner doesnt work no one uses it since they will have a terrible build with a useless elite skill.

Eles dont need a elite skill to win fights, engys dont need elite skills to win fights. Warriors can only sustain or do massive dmg, there is no middle ground for us and if we try to play team support with a broken banner we are the worse and bunking. Thats why were dead

You’re either a really bad warrior, or fight warriors in hotjoin who are just doing the daily.

you can look me up on gw2score. make your own opinion

Belial.9350:

kdaddy.5431:

Tornado at least lloks cool and does dmg.

Yes, I’m obviously going to take tornado to look cool…

And the damage is nothing, nobody’s going to facetank tornado especially when it has no swiftness and can’t clear immob.

See the thing for me with ele is you dont need a elite for that class. Would i like to see tornado do something, yeah of course. Warriors need there elite skills to compare, i run staff ele with summon elite and i always go fire in 1 vs 1 for dps. Its very effective but honestly i dont need it.

If were gonna be honest atm, eles are better at everything then warrior. Imo not giving eles a really strong elite is the only way to keep them balanced in pvp.

Flumek.9043:

1v1 , you hit me i hit u aka DPS vs EHP = Rampage wins , even before patch (dmg reduction and more armor).

Reality:
Mobilty, stabilty, stomping, CC, COOLDOWN , stance vs. spectral yes/no carrying on…… im just baffled at the devs letting this slide by, while someone had enough thought to nerf lich down to 15s to prevent “too long traited duration”… no words

Knocked down Lich duration from 30s to 20s to 15s with the same long CD. Meanwhile buffing Rampage damage and reducing CD. In addition, warriors have utility skills that further enhance the effectiveness of transformation.

It would be nice if someone in the balance team mains a necro.

kdaddy.5431:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

kdaddy.5431:

Lukas.7159:

kdaddy.5431:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

kdaddy.5431:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Now compare either of those to Ele’s Tornado and weep at how aweful it is

not worse then warriors battle standard or necros golem or engys mortar and so on and so on

Are you really saying that Tornado is better than Warbanner?

its doesnt work all the time, has the longest cool down. Tornado at least lloks cool and does dmg.

War banner doesnt work when a team mate health is too low and psn and so on and so on. If the skill doesnt work and your playing warrior your dead.

why exactly are you dead when you fail the banner?

and a good war never banners when the ally is already 10seconds in downstate, you should rather pop banner like 1sec before your mate drops so he can get insta rezzed (if he somehow survives like a baws just stow it)

your joking right? This is a elite skill and warrior doesnt get the boons a ele or guardian gets. It doesnt get the stealth a thief gets. It doesnt have the distortion/blinds/reflect/ instant stuns a mesmer gets.

ANd he uses a elite skill which could of been rampage a really good 20 sec which is easily condi downed so you have to run a stance with it, or the signet which grants 5 stacks might, fury, and swiftness and can be traited for a lesser cool down.

Your a warrior with no elite skill which means your useless. Showbow warriors need the signet for condi removal and dmg. Zerker warriors need stances and rampage, and since the banner doesnt work no one uses it since they will have a terrible build with a useless elite skill.

Eles dont need a elite skill to win fights, engys dont need elite skills to win fights. Warriors can only sustain or do massive dmg, there is no middle ground for us and if we try to play team support with a broken banner we are the worse and bunking. Thats why were dead

You’re either a really bad warrior, or fight warriors in hotjoin who are just doing the daily.

you can look me up on gw2score. make your own opinion

holy sheet m8 youre talking so much trash, its unbelievable

first of all, your statement that we should check your leaderbord “rank” tells me ALL about your pvp knowledge, since the last leaderboard was nothing else than grinding. (i wont even say anything about your 51% win ratio btw)

just 2 days ago we had to explain you the mechanics of the battle standard on the forum, while this skill was used by EVERY shoutwar before balance patch….and you say you got warrior knowledge? pff

kdaddy.5431:

Your a warrior with no elite skill which means your useless. Showbow warriors need the signet for condi removal and dmg. Zerker warriors need stances and rampage, and since the banner doesnt work no one uses it since they will have a terrible build with a useless elite skill.

1) when hambow was meta, the signet was mostly used as the elite and you could easily win 1-1s without using your signet…it was just a nice bonus to have

warrior had/still has great roles in the meta, even without their elite skills

2) showbow, or how the real pvpers called it, shoutbow, NEVER EVER used the signet lmao

how was a shoutbow supposed to remove condis with signets? and why would you need the signet for dmg on a class that was meant to outsustain enemies in 1-1s and play the support role in a teamfight?

3) banner does work. maybe youre just too dumb to learn mechanics?

4) man, i checked you on gw2score as you told us and i saw youre playing on NA

i live in europe and english isnt even my first language, but even i know the difference between you’re and your

i seriously had to read several sentences 3 times before i understood what you meant :<

last thing: just for curiousity, can you make a screenshot of your total games played in pvp and your games on warrior? ty in advance

Having fought both many times, it has to be the OP rampage for it’s sheer mobility in combat combined with very high single attack damage. The rest of us have to obey the physics of the game world.

Lukas.7159:

kdaddy.5431:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

kdaddy.5431:

Lukas.7159:

kdaddy.5431:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

kdaddy.5431:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Now compare either of those to Ele’s Tornado and weep at how aweful it is

not worse then warriors battle standard or necros golem or engys mortar and so on and so on

Are you really saying that Tornado is better than Warbanner?

its doesnt work all the time, has the longest cool down. Tornado at least lloks cool and does dmg.

War banner doesnt work when a team mate health is too low and psn and so on and so on. If the skill doesnt work and your playing warrior your dead.

why exactly are you dead when you fail the banner?

and a good war never banners when the ally is already 10seconds in downstate, you should rather pop banner like 1sec before your mate drops so he can get insta rezzed (if he somehow survives like a baws just stow it)

your joking right? This is a elite skill and warrior doesnt get the boons a ele or guardian gets. It doesnt get the stealth a thief gets. It doesnt have the distortion/blinds/reflect/ instant stuns a mesmer gets.

ANd he uses a elite skill which could of been rampage a really good 20 sec which is easily condi downed so you have to run a stance with it, or the signet which grants 5 stacks might, fury, and swiftness and can be traited for a lesser cool down.

Your a warrior with no elite skill which means your useless. Showbow warriors need the signet for condi removal and dmg. Zerker warriors need stances and rampage, and since the banner doesnt work no one uses it since they will have a terrible build with a useless elite skill.

Eles dont need a elite skill to win fights, engys dont need elite skills to win fights. Warriors can only sustain or do massive dmg, there is no middle ground for us and if we try to play team support with a broken banner we are the worse and bunking. Thats why were dead

You’re either a really bad warrior, or fight warriors in hotjoin who are just doing the daily.

you can look me up on gw2score. make your own opinion

holy sheet m8 youre talking so much trash, its unbelievable

first of all, your statement that we should check your leaderbord “rank” tells me ALL about your pvp knowledge, since the last leaderboard was nothing else than grinding. (i wont even say anything about your 51% win ratio btw)

just 2 days ago we had to explain you the mechanics of the battle standard on the forum, while this skill was used by EVERY shoutwar before balance patch….and you say you got warrior knowledge? pff

kdaddy.5431:

Your a warrior with no elite skill which means your useless. Showbow warriors need the signet for condi removal and dmg. Zerker warriors need stances and rampage, and since the banner doesnt work no one uses it since they will have a terrible build with a useless elite skill.

1) when hambow was meta, the signet was mostly used as the elite and you could easily win 1-1s without using your signet…it was just a nice bonus to have

warrior had/still has great roles in the meta, even without their elite skills

2) showbow, or how the real pvpers called it, shoutbow, NEVER EVER used the signet lmao

how was a shoutbow supposed to remove condis with signets? and why would you need the signet for dmg on a class that was meant to outsustain enemies in 1-1s and play the support role in a teamfight?

3) banner does work. maybe youre just too dumb to learn mechanics?

4) man, i checked you on gw2score as you told us and i saw youre playing on NA

i live in europe and english isnt even my first language, but even i know the difference between you’re and your

i seriously had to read several sentences 3 times before i understood what you meant :<

last thing: just for curiousity, can you make a screenshot of your total games played in pvp and your games on warrior? ty in advance

He asked me if i even played PvP if you look me up it shows ive played hundreds of games in ranked in the current ladder system and pre dec 16th patch. Is that talking trash or pointing something out?

Also Battle Standard doesnt work, its not a good elite and no warriors use it. Also since your from Eu ill give you a break since i was talking about current PvP with the signet. Everyone i know still running shoutbow is using the signet and i know alot of people who use the signet. Literally me posting about how BS should do what it actually says and people saying ohhh thats not the actual mechanic is lame.

Just for you since you asked and i made sure to show you ive been practicing with BS and it still useless.

Lich form has pretty much always been a big green pinata since they changed the way stability worked.

rampage gets 2 stacks every3 seconds…. while lich form only gets one stack every three…

Not to mention rampage is pretty much all cc…. and lich form has only one cc.

kdaddy.5431:

Also Battle Standard doesnt work, its not a good elite and no warriors use it. Also since your from Eu ill give you a break since i was talking about current PvP with the signet. Everyone i know still running shoutbow is using the signet and i know alot of people who use the signet. Literally me posting about how BS should do what it actually says and people saying ohhh thats not the actual mechanic is lame.

so on your screen you successfully managed to hide the most important part that i wanted to know, your amount of total games played

but im assuming you played ~ 4k, which is not very much

yes, youre right, CURRENTLY no war uses battle standard due to the obvious fact, that shoutbow is gone now

your statement, that its a bad elite, is wrong in so many ways, its waaaay better than e.g. flesh golem, tornado, signet of courage, thieves guild, daggerstorm or whatever

and the battle standard itself can give a HUGE advantage in teamfights, e.g. an ally + an opponent drop at the same time and you manage to rez him with banner, you can pressure the downstate guy instead of manually rezzing your ally!

and yes, im only playing on eu, but im pretty sure that shoutbow fell out of meta on NA also, due to other bunker classes getting buffed (bunker guard, ele), shoutbow itself got nerfed and CC + spike dmg got increased aswell (biggest problem for shoutbows)

Well, no offense mate, but i think that an average pvper also plays with average people, which means they sometimes think that this skill or that trait may sound good, while its actually worse

Signet on shoutwar is just bad! You dont need the swiftness since you have your warhorn + sword leap, you dont need fury since you do more dmg with condis and you got intelligence for critting arcing arrow/final thrust anyway, and you dont need might since you dont run anything for might duration (no battle sigil and neither hoelbrak, pirate or strength rune)

and btw your statement, that battle standard should works as description says would also include that poison wouldnt do what it says (namely reduce healing for 33%), which gives us a conflict here

you want a skill to work as it says, so that another mechanic wont work how it says

#logic

i can only imagine if rampages gets a skill that cleanse 12 conditions and rip 9 boons aoe unblockable 1200 range

lighter.2708:

i can only imagine if rampages gets a skill that cleanse 12 conditions and rip 9 boons aoe unblockable 1200 range

And yet, due to the horridly long cast time, Grim Specter almost never gets used. The limited time you have in Lich Form is more importantly used to churn out damage.

The other three skills might as well not exist.

i guess 3/4 is considered long cast time now..

lighter.2708:

i guess 3/4 is considered long cast time now..

The tooltip is a bit misleading. Grim Specter is actually ~1 second cast, plus projectile travel speed.

It’s effect is great, and I always try to use it if applicable, but Lich Form cast times are stupidly long aside from the auto and have bad tooltips regarding them.

Chilling Wind, for example, is ~1/2 second cast, double the listed cast time. Plus a buggy hitbox that doesn’t always hit, even when the animation is clearly covering a foe.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lighter.2708:

i guess 3/4 is considered long cast time now..

The tooltip is a bit misleading. Grim Specter is actually ~1 second cast, plus projectile travel speed.

It’s effect is great, and I always try to use it if applicable, but Lich Form cast times are stupidly long aside from the auto and have bad tooltips regarding them.

Chilling Wind, for example, is ~1/2 second cast, double the listed cast time. Plus a buggy hitbox that doesn’t always hit, even when the animation is clearly covering a foe.

every thing can be said for all rampage skills including auto, or worst…

lighter.2708:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lighter.2708:

i guess 3/4 is considered long cast time now..

The tooltip is a bit misleading. Grim Specter is actually ~1 second cast, plus projectile travel speed.

It’s effect is great, and I always try to use it if applicable, but Lich Form cast times are stupidly long aside from the auto and have bad tooltips regarding them.

Chilling Wind, for example, is ~1/2 second cast, double the listed cast time. Plus a buggy hitbox that doesn’t always hit, even when the animation is clearly covering a foe.

every thing can be said for all rampage skills including auto, or worst…

Buggy hitboxes and misleading cast time tooltips apply to Rampage? Methinks not.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lighter.2708:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lighter.2708:

i guess 3/4 is considered long cast time now..

The tooltip is a bit misleading. Grim Specter is actually ~1 second cast, plus projectile travel speed.

It’s effect is great, and I always try to use it if applicable, but Lich Form cast times are stupidly long aside from the auto and have bad tooltips regarding them.

Chilling Wind, for example, is ~1/2 second cast, double the listed cast time. Plus a buggy hitbox that doesn’t always hit, even when the animation is clearly covering a foe.

every thing can be said for all rampage skills including auto, or worst…

Buggy hitboxes and misleading cast time tooltips apply to Rampage? Methinks not.

Go try it..

lighter.2708:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lighter.2708:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lighter.2708:

i guess 3/4 is considered long cast time now..

The tooltip is a bit misleading. Grim Specter is actually ~1 second cast, plus projectile travel speed.

It’s effect is great, and I always try to use it if applicable, but Lich Form cast times are stupidly long aside from the auto and have bad tooltips regarding them.

Chilling Wind, for example, is ~1/2 second cast, double the listed cast time. Plus a buggy hitbox that doesn’t always hit, even when the animation is clearly covering a foe.

every thing can be said for all rampage skills including auto, or worst…

Buggy hitboxes and misleading cast time tooltips apply to Rampage? Methinks not.

Go try it..

pretty sure rampage can’t be avoided just by strafing side to side…

Lukas.7159:

kdaddy.5431:

Also Battle Standard doesnt work, its not a good elite and no warriors use it. Also since your from Eu ill give you a break since i was talking about current PvP with the signet. Everyone i know still running shoutbow is using the signet and i know alot of people who use the signet. Literally me posting about how BS should do what it actually says and people saying ohhh thats not the actual mechanic is lame.

so on your screen you successfully managed to hide the most important part that i wanted to know, your amount of total games played

but im assuming you played ~ 4k, which is not very much

yes, youre right, CURRENTLY no war uses battle standard due to the obvious fact, that shoutbow is gone now

your statement, that its a bad elite, is wrong in so many ways, its waaaay better than e.g. flesh golem, tornado, signet of courage, thieves guild, daggerstorm or whatever

and the battle standard itself can give a HUGE advantage in teamfights, e.g. an ally + an opponent drop at the same time and you manage to rez him with banner, you can pressure the downstate guy instead of manually rezzing your ally!

and yes, im only playing on eu, but im pretty sure that shoutbow fell out of meta on NA also, due to other bunker classes getting buffed (bunker guard, ele), shoutbow itself got nerfed and CC + spike dmg got increased aswell (biggest problem for shoutbows)

Well, no offense mate, but i think that an average pvper also plays with average people, which means they sometimes think that this skill or that trait may sound good, while its actually worse

Signet on shoutwar is just bad! You dont need the swiftness since you have your warhorn + sword leap, you dont need fury since you do more dmg with condis and you got intelligence for critting arcing arrow/final thrust anyway, and you dont need might since you dont run anything for might duration (no battle sigil and neither hoelbrak, pirate or strength rune)

and btw your statement, that battle standard should works as description says would also include that poison wouldnt do what it says (namely reduce healing for 33%), which gives us a conflict here

you want a skill to work as it says, so that another mechanic wont work how it says

#logic

Lol ok first thing is who cares if you think 4k games isnt very much. Telling me how you think builds should be used with what skills when thats not how we play it, should i take your advice serious?

Also my skill level is fine, i dont care if people attack it. I personally think im slightly above average. Having entered 2 tourneys with my guild friends where we won 1 and got crushed by the abjured and at the lost ToL won 2 and got annihilated by the cunning stunts i know im not the best.

Lastly you said i was talking smack when all i asked was the facts. I called you and the other guy out after you called me out and the best part both of you had to stopped and address something else. In your own statement you agreed and said no one uses BS and all i asked was for it to get looked at. Being i main warrior and you can see the screen shot i would like BS to be changed and you mutter on by trash talking me and the people i play with after i proved to you that what i said was true and provided you the info. In a debate or the rhetoric of arguing the idea is to get someone to agree with you even if they blindly continue to shout at the clouds. I think i win but you probably assume the same.

Cheers

Hmm an interesting question. Makes me wish I played warrior so I would be more familiar with Rampage – all I know is that the constant CC is super annoying^^

Assuming both the necro and the warrior were of equal skill I’d say it would be just about 50/50. 1v1, I’d probably place my bets on Rampage, if there were other players around and these two were targeting each other, I’d say Lich wins. Lich has the advantage of range, meaning he can hide and kite away while attacking. But sadly I see too many power necros who stay in Lich form when they get very low on health and then proceed to die when they should have dropped the form to heal or pop DS. I’m not sure if Rampage warriors have similar issues or not but the buffs would suggest they don’t.

Just a guess and not even an educated one since I don’t play war.

Lich : CD of 180s for a duration of 15s.
Rampage: CD of 120s for a duration of 20s.

Rampage has high mobility, very high CC, high damage, high stability.
Lich has low mobility, low CC, very high damage but easy to dodge/LoS, low stability.

But that’s understandable: nobody at ANet plays necro outside of WvW. Necro OP, please nerf ! Reaper already nerfed, but that’s just the first wave, and we have yet to test it! Hahahaha!

Dr Acula.3496:

lighter.2708:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lighter.2708:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

lighter.2708:

i guess 3/4 is considered long cast time now..

The tooltip is a bit misleading. Grim Specter is actually ~1 second cast, plus projectile travel speed.

It’s effect is great, and I always try to use it if applicable, but Lich Form cast times are stupidly long aside from the auto and have bad tooltips regarding them.

Chilling Wind, for example, is ~1/2 second cast, double the listed cast time. Plus a buggy hitbox that doesn’t always hit, even when the animation is clearly covering a foe.

every thing can be said for all rampage skills including auto, or worst…

Buggy hitboxes and misleading cast time tooltips apply to Rampage? Methinks not.

Go try it..

pretty sure rampage can’t be avoided just by strafing side to side…

again, go try it

Rampage wins. Lich form is such a joke….which is sad since it’s arguably the only elite necromancer have that’s worth anything…