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Ranger Pet Revive
This has been broken for a while. Maybe it will get fixed on the 30th, maybe not.
Dumb glitch, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve downed a Ranger, only to be downed shortly after myself, and lose completely utterly when he barely has 5% HP left while downed because his pet mitigation is so strong. Hopefully they’ll fix it. at the moment, Ranger wins all downed fights.
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Ok, so I’m fighting this Ranger in sPvP at the Temple. I get him downed while we are underwater. His pet tries to revive him so I stun him, which doesn’t stop the revive. So I kill the pet. Then I get downed underwater. I’m punching and kicking this guy and all of a sudden his dead pet begins reviving him again (after the skill cooldown is up I would assume). He get’s res’d and I die.
Not only can I not stomp this dude, but his pet can revive him even when both are downed/dead?
What in the world…
altho i do admit underwater the heal can be strong.. the mechanic it self is sound.. it’s hard to have enough time in a normal ground fight to use it.. underwater you stopped the heal with the interrupt and when the timer was up on lick wounds he just reused the skill..
a little note on pets and lick wounds.. if you kill my pet before i use it.. when i use my downed skill lick wounds it will revive my pet instantly.. as so not to deny me my class mechanic if smart players decide pick on my pet just before i die..
p.s. stomping underwater is possible.. but is reserved for class test dummies.. if you dont believe me kite one into the water and let him kill you.. you will see the game allows underwater stomping in it’s current state.. altho the animation is lame
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Ok, so I’m fighting this Ranger in sPvP at the Temple. I get him downed while we are underwater. His pet tries to revive him so I stun him, which doesn’t stop the revive. So I kill the pet. Then I get downed underwater. I’m punching and kicking this guy and all of a sudden his dead pet begins reviving him again (after the skill cooldown is up I would assume). He get’s res’d and I die.
Not only can I not stomp this dude, but his pet can revive him even when both are downed/dead?
What in the world…
altho i do admit underwater the heal can be strong.. the mechanic it self is sound.. it’s hard to have enough time in a normal ground fight to use it.. underwater you stopped the heal with the interrupt and when the timer was up on lick wounds he just reused the skill..
a little note on pets and lick wounds.. if you kill my pet before i use it.. when i use my downed skill lick wounds it will revive my pet instantly.. as so not to deny me my class mechanic if smart players decide pick on my pet just before i die..
That’s a poor justification for having an “Instant win any tie” skill.
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Ok, so I’m fighting this Ranger in sPvP at the Temple. I get him downed while we are underwater. His pet tries to revive him so I stun him, which doesn’t stop the revive. So I kill the pet. Then I get downed underwater. I’m punching and kicking this guy and all of a sudden his dead pet begins reviving him again (after the skill cooldown is up I would assume). He get’s res’d and I die.
Not only can I not stomp this dude, but his pet can revive him even when both are downed/dead?
What in the world…
altho i do admit underwater the heal can be strong.. the mechanic it self is sound.. it’s hard to have enough time in a normal ground fight to use it.. underwater you stopped the heal with the interrupt and when the timer was up on lick wounds he just reused the skill..
a little note on pets and lick wounds.. if you kill my pet before i use it.. when i use my downed skill lick wounds it will revive my pet instantly.. as so not to deny me my class mechanic if smart players decide pick on my pet just before i die..
That’s a poor justification for having an “Instant win any tie” skill.
we dont win win every tie.. two off the top of my head are necro and warrior.. why?
necro wells/life drain kitten with the healing so much
warriors stability stomp us all day long
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As a very good Necromancer, no. We do not win that downed state matchup. We infact lose that rather hard. Warrior? Yes, I suppose I’ll give you that one, but it’s more of a “YOU DIDN’T WIN#!” without wasting a trait for the res.
You also have to remember that Fear doesn’t work on downed players, so Necromancer’s 2 skill is utterly useless in that aspect unless you pretend to be smart and fear the Pet off the heal, which doesn’t. work.
The poison is less effective than you think.
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Ok, so I’m fighting this Ranger in sPvP at the Temple. I get him downed while we are underwater. His pet tries to revive him so I stun him, which doesn’t stop the revive. So I kill the pet. Then I get downed underwater. I’m punching and kicking this guy and all of a sudden his dead pet begins reviving him again (after the skill cooldown is up I would assume). He get’s res’d and I die.
Not only can I not stomp this dude, but his pet can revive him even when both are downed/dead?
What in the world…
altho i do admit underwater the heal can be strong.. the mechanic it self is sound.. it’s hard to have enough time in a normal ground fight to use it.. underwater you stopped the heal with the interrupt and when the timer was up on lick wounds he just reused the skill..
a little note on pets and lick wounds.. if you kill my pet before i use it.. when i use my downed skill lick wounds it will revive my pet instantly.. as so not to deny me my class mechanic if smart players decide pick on my pet just before i die..
That’s a poor justification for having an “Instant win any tie” skill.
we dont win win every tie.. two off the top of my head are necro and warrior.. why?
necro wells/life drain kitten with the healing so much
warriors stability stomp us all day long
That is assuming the warrior has a stability utility available after he downs you. Regardless, any good ranger will destroy that warrior before he ever gets a ranger down so the warrior point is moot.
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As a very good Necromancer, no. We do not win that downed state matchup. We infact lose that rather hard. Warrior? Yes, I suppose I’ll give you that one, but it’s more of a “YOU DIDN’T WIN#!” without wasting a trait for the res.
You also have to remember that Fear doesn’t work on downed players, so Necromancer’s 2 skill is utterly useless in that aspect unless you pretend to be smart and fear the Pet off the heal, which doesn’t. work.
The poison is less effective than you think.
then why is it whenever im faced with being downed at the same time as a necro there is a life draining skill or something completely over rides any healing.. and i die.. im not sure on the exact skill but im certain, it’s just one that’s not commonly known to do that to our heal in downstate..
i think it’s either they are life draining me or the pet.. im not sure tho
Ok, so I’m fighting this Ranger in sPvP at the Temple. I get him downed while we are underwater. His pet tries to revive him so I stun him, which doesn’t stop the revive. So I kill the pet. Then I get downed underwater. I’m punching and kicking this guy and all of a sudden his dead pet begins reviving him again (after the skill cooldown is up I would assume). He get’s res’d and I die.
Not only can I not stomp this dude, but his pet can revive him even when both are downed/dead?
What in the world…
altho i do admit underwater the heal can be strong.. the mechanic it self is sound.. it’s hard to have enough time in a normal ground fight to use it.. underwater you stopped the heal with the interrupt and when the timer was up on lick wounds he just reused the skill..
a little note on pets and lick wounds.. if you kill my pet before i use it.. when i use my downed skill lick wounds it will revive my pet instantly.. as so not to deny me my class mechanic if smart players decide pick on my pet just before i die..
That’s a poor justification for having an “Instant win any tie” skill.
we dont win win every tie.. two off the top of my head are necro and warrior.. why?
necro wells/life drain kitten with the healing so much
warriors stability stomp us all day longThat is assuming the warrior has a stability utility available after he downs you. Regardless, any good ranger will destroy that warrior before he ever gets a ranger down so the warrior point is moot.
they dont need a utility it’s apart of there downed skill vengeance..
Ok, so I’m fighting this Ranger in sPvP at the Temple. I get him downed while we are underwater. His pet tries to revive him so I stun him, which doesn’t stop the revive. So I kill the pet. Then I get downed underwater. I’m punching and kicking this guy and all of a sudden his dead pet begins reviving him again (after the skill cooldown is up I would assume). He get’s res’d and I die.
Not only can I not stomp this dude, but his pet can revive him even when both are downed/dead?
What in the world…
altho i do admit underwater the heal can be strong.. the mechanic it self is sound.. it’s hard to have enough time in a normal ground fight to use it.. underwater you stopped the heal with the interrupt and when the timer was up on lick wounds he just reused the skill..
a little note on pets and lick wounds.. if you kill my pet before i use it.. when i use my downed skill lick wounds it will revive my pet instantly.. as so not to deny me my class mechanic if smart players decide pick on my pet just before i die..
That’s a poor justification for having an “Instant win any tie” skill.
we dont win win every tie.. two off the top of my head are necro and warrior.. why?
necro wells/life drain kitten with the healing so much
warriors stability stomp us all day longThat is assuming the warrior has a stability utility available after he downs you. Regardless, any good ranger will destroy that warrior before he ever gets a ranger down so the warrior point is moot.
they dont need a utility it’s apart of there downed skill vengeance..
I was playing as a Warrior and I did vengeance, but he was already up. The time tie vengeance was not even in the realm of enough time to re-kill him a second time. When he was up he used his heal skill. So even if I did down him again AND kill his pet, he would just revive again.
A dead pet should NOT be able to heal his owner. That is completely dumb. The amount of healing that skill can do is insane.
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As a very good Necromancer, no. We do not win that downed state matchup. We infact lose that rather hard. Warrior? Yes, I suppose I’ll give you that one, but it’s more of a “YOU DIDN’T WIN#!” without wasting a trait for the res.
You also have to remember that Fear doesn’t work on downed players, so Necromancer’s 2 skill is utterly useless in that aspect unless you pretend to be smart and fear the Pet off the heal, which doesn’t. work.
The poison is less effective than you think.
then why is it whenever im faced with being downed at the same time as a necro there is a life draining skill or something completely over rides any healing.. and i die.. im not sure on the exact skill but im certain, it’s just one that’s not commonly known to do that to our heal in downstate..
i think it’s either they are life draining me or the pet.. im not sure tho
There is no life draining skill that overrides your healing. Poison removes 33% of your heal’s effectiveness but that doesn’t matter since the Ranger pet heal is even stronger than that. Unless the Necro built entirely around downed state, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
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As a very good Necromancer, no. We do not win that downed state matchup. We infact lose that rather hard. Warrior? Yes, I suppose I’ll give you that one, but it’s more of a “YOU DIDN’T WIN#!” without wasting a trait for the res.
You also have to remember that Fear doesn’t work on downed players, so Necromancer’s 2 skill is utterly useless in that aspect unless you pretend to be smart and fear the Pet off the heal, which doesn’t. work.
The poison is less effective than you think.
then why is it whenever im faced with being downed at the same time as a necro there is a life draining skill or something completely over rides any healing.. and i die.. im not sure on the exact skill but im certain, it’s just one that’s not commonly known to do that to our heal in downstate..
i think it’s either they are life draining me or the pet.. im not sure tho
There is no life draining skill that overrides your healing. Poison removes 33% of your heal’s effectiveness but that doesn’t matter since the Ranger pet heal is even stronger than that. Unless the Necro built entirely around downed state, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
thinking about it more closely it could be a combination of life leech and fearing my pet.. either way a good necro can beat a ranger when both in downed state.. it just depends on your level of play..
I have tried every combination of fighting a Ranger in downed state, going as far as testing it with a friend in an empty server. There is no combination for a Necromancer to beat a Ranger in a downed contest UNLESS
A) The Ranger was heavily damaged in down state
B) The Ranger made several mistakes
C) The Necromancer is traited with 50% more downed damage and high crit damage/precision.
That’s it.
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have you tested this?
use all damaging abilitys on the ranger focus him ignore the pet for now.. wait for pet rez
fear pet.. life drain the hell out of the ranger..
this is all dependant on who is downed first btw.. as to who has access to downed skills first..
When you see a ranger waiting for a water combat don’t fight him, there are so many rangers exploiting the underwater pet heal.
btw I just want to state im not defending the op underwater heal.. i even ignore water combat cus of this..
I have tried every combination of fighting a Ranger in downed state, going as far as testing it with a friend in an empty server. There is no combination for a Necromancer to beat a Ranger in a downed contest UNLESS
A) The Ranger was heavily damaged in down state
B) The Ranger made several mistakes
C) The Necromancer is traited with 50% more downed damage and high crit damage/precision.
That’s it.
A reply I have from a necro is this..
man, power necro beats everyone in downed.. 1k crits in 0.5 secs
save fear for pet
and just hit #1 on the ranger
when well is ready use it
and gg
so there u have it.. that was the combination I was talking about.. i may of worded wrongly saying it over rides healing.. it just interrupts, though when my pet runs back from being feared you think he would start healing again when he doesn’t it can appear that the necro’s life drain, steals the healing done by the pet.. or that was my first thought..
here is the post where i asked the necro community if you want to take alook
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/can-your-class-beat-a-ranger-if-both-downed/first#post1899214
(edited by firebreathz.7692)