Guild Wars 2

Hello guys.
I’ ve opened this topic just becouse I want to collect as many opinions about current ranger status for pvp. What do you think?^
Is ranger stronger then warrior..thief…mesmer..necro…?^
The answer is easy..and we all know that.
Unfortunatly only our devs don’ t know that..and keep nerfing ranger without any reason.
Good job Arenanet ( ops sorry Nerfnet )

It is obvious that we have the nerf the weakness class to make the others playable.

Ranger has few (I think maybe 3) playable builds and every one of them is based on conditions. I know you can say there are Power builds but in PVP they are not so viable. I run a “tanky” power build and most of thiefs and necros kill me at sight

Ranger is still on more teams than mes/ele. The game has 8 classes nt 6

jportell.2197:

Ranger is still on more teams than mes/ele. The game has 8 classes nt 6

^ This.

Whilst I think all the maps are tedious small rats mazes, I`d like to do some pvp some time this year on my Ele & not be just a waste of a player slot.

Seisyll.5914:

Ranger has few (I think maybe 3) playable builds and every one of them is based on conditions. I know you can say there are Power builds but in PVP they are not so viable. I run a “tanky” power build and most of thiefs and necros kill me at sight

Also, three is a reasonably high number of viable builds. This is one area that the entire game has improved in over the last 8 months or so—there are now a lot of professions with more than three viable builds, which was not always the case. But three is still a pretty good number.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Seisyll.5914:

Ranger has few (I think maybe 3) playable builds and every one of them is based on conditions. I know you can say there are Power builds but in PVP they are not so viable. I run a “tanky” power build and most of thiefs and necros kill me at sight

Also, three is a reasonably high number of viable builds. This is one area that the entire game has improved in over the last 8 months or so—there are now a lot of professions with more than three viable builds, which was not always the case. But three is still a pretty good number.

I would hope that when ANet says they want diverse builds they don’t strictly mean by trait point allocation. That they would much rather see diverse gameplay instead of each build still doing nothing but bunker+condi spam.

I also wouldn’t really say Ranger is the weakest class either. It’s probably the most boring and ‘simple’ class in the game. But certainly not the weakest where s/tPvP is concerned. I also wouldn’t say they’re in a good spot either. They have a pet mechanic that still doesn’t work after a year and ANet has refused to comment on it publicly. They have the worst skills in the game. Second to Ele for being forced into specific traits for every build. No power option whatsoever.

It would be nice if the meta shifts away from condi spam that the Ranger had something to shift into as well. Not holding out much hope though as ANet doesn’t seem to be aware of the issues. I would like to think it isn’t that they don’t care. But how things go a year without changing leaves you with only 2 scenarios.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Seisyll.5914:

Ranger has few (I think maybe 3) playable builds and every one of them is based on conditions. I know you can say there are Power builds but in PVP they are not so viable. I run a “tanky” power build and most of thiefs and necros kill me at sight

Also, three is a reasonably high number of viable builds. This is one area that the entire game has improved in over the last 8 months or so—there are now a lot of professions with more than three viable builds, which was not always the case. But three is still a pretty good number.

Not true, at pro level, spirit is only viable build according to pros and even though it’s actually harder to play than warrior or necro, it’s seen as noobish, casual, and OP. if guardian does something really well though, that just means its well balanced. Someone said ranger is most boring and simple profession in game. Not really, it’s one of the hardest to play effectively. Clearly warrior and guardian are the two most boring professions to play in all game modes.

Chopps.5047:

Not true, at pro level, spirit is only viable build according to pros and even though it’s actually harder to play than warrior or necro, it’s seen as noobish, casual, and OP. if guardian does something really well though, that just means its well balanced. Someone said ranger is most boring and simple profession in game. Not really, it’s one of the hardest to play effectively. Clearly warrior and guardian are the two most boring professions to play in all game modes.

I agree with that. With no stunbreak, stability as spirit ranger you put yourself in tough position. Also pros run this build because of support it provides to the team and they stick together.

Most of the time if you make one little mistake as a ranger, you are doomed.

I can’t tell if you guys are joking or not. The amount of passive abilities with ranger along with evades, healing, regen, toughness etc is just ridiculous. It’s one reason rangers have pretty much always had a spot as back point defender/far point assault. Making one mistake as a ranger is about as forgiving as you can get.

If you’re complaining about not having stability and stun breakers than ooohhh, I dunno, how about actually using one? The fact that rangers as a class have been able to get away with NOT using one for so long should go to show you how tough they are. Sorry but this thread made me /facepalm.

Obviously, the OP is assuming Anet deleted the Elementalist.

Rangers are not played anywhere at any high frequency. Dude, if you think guardian is harder to ay, you’re trolling. Why do you think everyone main’s guardian? That’s your first hint that guardian is and may always be OP. You clearly don’t understand how good stability is, how good their condi removal is, or anything. I’m sorry but stability, aegis, protection, hammer spam CC.

Guardian

Is

op

hahahahahahaha ranger weakest class

hahahahahahaha

Kryshade.6075:

I can’t tell if you guys are joking or not. The amount of passive abilities with ranger along with evades, healing, regen, toughness etc is just ridiculous. It’s one reason rangers have pretty much always had a spot as back point defender/far point assault. Making one mistake as a ranger is about as forgiving as you can get.

If you’re complaining about not having stability and stun breakers than ooohhh, I dunno, how about actually using one? The fact that rangers as a class have been able to get away with NOT using one for so long should go to show you how tough they are. Sorry but this thread made me /facepalm.

Show me the passive abilities, because as far as I know they either need to be taken all together for them to work, or they require specific conditions.
As for stability/stun breakers. We have them, the only problem is that to make our few limited builds work we just can’t take them. And oh our only stability is from ulti which needs 2min to recharge, this or we buff ourselves 30 in power trait line to make one of our signets give us this stability. But doing that makes us unviable cause power don’t stack so well on ranger.

About evades, yes we have them. But so the other classes. Also we have to remember when to use them and what to counter and we can’t do this forever (don’t bring GS as the only thing it is used for is running), not like evade/invis spamming thiefs.

About heal and regeneration? Again it is a specific bunker build.
Toughness? Stacked because of bunkers and it doesn’t help in the condition spam.

We are playing that way because we are forced to, not because we like it

Lol rangers the weakest class? you got to be joking, this is the strongest profession by far in the current meta. Best 1v1 alot of evades, perma regen, alot of dmg, team support, team res. I am a champion hunter and i have played this class alot, this the strongest class. And has been the strongest for a long time. If you’re having trouble as a ranger then is obvious that you don’t know how to play one. And this patch i think spirits got actually buffed in team fights just because the recharge is better and if they die you can just get them up again. Please stop crying uf you don’t know kitten about the ranger class.

ghaleon.2861:

Lol rangers the weakest class? you got to be joking, this is the strongest profession by far in the current meta. Best 1v1 alot of evades, perma regen, alot of dmg, team support, team res. I am a champion hunter and i have played this class alot, this the strongest clas. And has been the strongest for a long time. If you’re having trouble as a ranger then is obvious that you don’t know how to play one. And this patch i think spirits got actually buffed in team fights just because the recharge is better and if they die uou csn just get them up again. Please stop crying uf you don’t know kitten about the ranger class.

You don’t say……?

ghaleon it looks like you are one of the many who use the viable builds and don’t even try to come up with something of your own

silvermember.8941:

Obviously, the OP is assuming Anet deleted the Elementalist.

Shh, don`t give them any ideas (although they probably half way to it anyway…)

Seisyll.5914:

Kryshade.6075:

I can’t tell if you guys are joking or not. The amount of passive abilities with ranger along with evades, healing, regen, toughness etc is just ridiculous. It’s one reason rangers have pretty much always had a spot as back point defender/far point assault. Making one mistake as a ranger is about as forgiving as you can get.

If you’re complaining about not having stability and stun breakers than ooohhh, I dunno, how about actually using one? The fact that rangers as a class have been able to get away with NOT using one for so long should go to show you how tough they are. Sorry but this thread made me /facepalm.

Show me the passive abilities, because as far as I know they either need to be taken all together for them to work, or they require specific conditions.
As for stability/stun breakers. We have them, the only problem is that to make our few limited builds work we just can’t take them. And oh our only stability is from ulti which needs 2min to recharge, this or we buff ourselves 30 in power trait line to make one of our signets give us this stability. But doing that makes us unviable cause power don’t stack so well on ranger.

About evades, yes we have them. But so the other classes. Also we have to remember when to use them and what to counter and we can’t do this forever (don’t bring GS as the only thing it is used for is running), not like evade/invis spamming thiefs.

About heal and regeneration? Again it is a specific bunker build.
Toughness? Stacked because of bunkers and it doesn’t help in the condition spam.

We are playing that way because we are forced to, not because we like it

Ok, how about the pet, regen when traited, condi clear when traited, spirits, traps and just about everything else that rangers use. They are one of the most passive classes in the game which is why they are so popular.

Rangers get evades but unlike other classes, if you miss one because of all the other passive buffs it doesn’t mean instant death like it does for a thief.

So you mean that your saying the problem with stability is that it doesn’t fit well into your build because it means you have to take an ulti or trait for it. Sorry but that’s nearly every class except for guardians and warriors. Ever tried playing a necro before? Talk about lack of stability. I have to laugh at you saying that the need to take a stun breaker or stability hurts your precious builds because that’s true across the board.

Heal and regen are NOT specific to a bunker build and that’s part of the problem. The insane regen on a balanced/hybrid/dps ranger is just wrong.

This was one of the worst arguments I’ve seen someone make. Sorry but you’re just plain wrong my friend. Saying rangers don’t have a lot of passive skills/play is laughable at best.

I still think the stability mechanic negates too much CC. It should stack like defiant or something. You get 1 stack have fun. That’s how I feel. Completely negating CC for many seconds at a time is why we get spamstun warriors and hammer/ele trains in wvw. That’s because stun abilities need to be able to spam in a meta where stability can be spammed. Spam begets spam

Rangers are not the weakest nor the strongest class…

they just have a terrible class mechanic that handicaps the class….

• Weapon skills/utilities are weak to balance out having the pet

• and since skills are weak, the only “viable” thing to do is to spec bunker and let pets kill stuff

people are always gonna complain about rangers, since any strong build they will ever have are always gonna be based around the pet killing stuff while being tanky and spamming evades and auto attack… too much reward for doing the least out all classes.

its not really the rangers fault tho, its just the cheap mechanic thats gonna keep hurting them over and over..

this topic in itself is a joke. Rangers are the weakest? Play a ele right now and then come say that rangers are the weakest right now.

If you run rampage as one in any kind of damage build, you should be able to hard counter a cc warrior.

Amaterasu.6280:

this topic in itself is a joke. Rangers are the weakest? Play a ele right now and then come say that rangers are the weakest right now.

Ele will be back if conditions get toned down, don’t pretend like ele is a bad class.

Brigg.6189:

If you run rampage as one in any kind of damage build, you should be able to hard counter a cc warrior.

There are no viable Power builds on ranger

Seisyll.5914:

Brigg.6189:

If you run rampage as one in any kind of damage build, you should be able to hard counter a cc warrior.

There are no viable Power builds on ranger

There would be if conquest wasn’t the game mode.

waka.9826:

Seisyll.5914:

Brigg.6189:

If you run rampage as one in any kind of damage build, you should be able to hard counter a cc warrior.

There are no viable Power builds on ranger

There would be if conquest wasn’t the game mode.

That really isn’t the case. Everyone does more dmg based on power than rangers. If you want to be a Power Ranger, you have to sell your soul and everything that lets you run away. Or you have to be really skilled and playing stupid opponent

Kryshade.6075:

Ok, how about the pet, regen when traited, condi clear when traited, spirits, traps and just about everything else that rangers use. They are one of the most passive classes in the game which is why they are so popular.

Rangers get evades but unlike other classes, if you miss one because of all the other passive buffs it doesn’t mean instant death like it does for a thief.

So you mean that your saying the problem with stability is that it doesn’t fit well into your build because it means you have to take an ulti or trait for it. Sorry but that’s nearly every class except for guardians and warriors. Ever tried playing a necro before? Talk about lack of stability. I have to laugh at you saying that the need to take a stun breaker or stability hurts your precious builds because that’s true across the board.

Heal and regen are NOT specific to a bunker build and that’s part of the problem. The insane regen on a balanced/hybrid/dps ranger is just wrong.

This was one of the worst arguments I’ve seen someone make. Sorry but you’re just plain wrong my friend. Saying rangers don’t have a lot of passive skills/play is laughable at best.

I agree rangers are passive, but not because we can play more actively. Those are the only builds that actually work, and we are afraid what would happen if conditions were nerfed. Also rangers right now are not so popular. Maybe in PVE but not in PVP. I am pretty sure that the numbers which anet gave us doesn’t cover what percentage of classes are used NOW. All pro rangers are my heroes who learned how to make this class work besides all of it broken mechanics.

Btw as I agree spirits are passive, you can’t call traps passive. They require some play to pull off.

To make traps/spirits work you have to invest 30 points in whole trait lines to make it work at least as good as mechanics of other classes which dont need to be traited.

condi clear when traited? 30 points in nature magic? ye allows great diversity of builds.
Pet? Try to use F2 skill or to make him attack when you want him to. It’s requires a high amount of micromanagement to make it work, and even then it doesn’t always work properly.
Regen when traited? I admit it’s a fine trait as 5sec of regen every 30sec of being under 75% of HP can be.

So sorry about your necro. Maybe cry a little more on my shoulder with your death shroud and fears? As I said, when playing spirit ranger you just can’t take stability/stun breaker, because the build will not work without every single spirit. As for stability, rangers can only do a condition spam right now, RaO is made for Power builds (you get fury besides stability and swiftness) and what condition builds use is Entangle. Sorry but we have to use this as it’s precious condition damage we just need.

If you know builds with insane regen on a viable dps build (as I understand you mean power builds) then pls let me know, because I seriously don’t know any right now.

I agree eles might have more problems right now, but at least you are just nerfed and don’t have broken mechanics. If any of you will have to always depend on dmg made by an broken AI and not your own then we can talk.

Rangers have 1 viable build: spirits.
If you dont use spirit build as a ranger, better reroll another class.

Aeri not really, spirits is a build for dummies, there are alos BM bunkers and trappers, but those require to play them, not mash #1 button

Seisyll.5914:

Aeri not really, spirits is a build for dummies, there are alos BM bunkers and trappers, but those require to play them, not mash #1 button

Rangers have a 1000 builds, doesn’t mean they’re good. BM and trappers while decent are not viable top end. Now some ranger who is in like the top .5% of rangers will come and tell us how he got top 50 in solo using traps or something, I don’t care.

Seisyll.5914:

waka.9826:

Seisyll.5914:

Brigg.6189:

If you run rampage as one in any kind of damage build, you should be able to hard counter a cc warrior.

There are no viable Power builds on ranger

There would be if conquest wasn’t the game mode.

That really isn’t the case. Everyone does more dmg based on power than rangers. If you want to be a Power Ranger, you have to sell your soul and everything that lets you run away. Or you have to be really skilled and playing stupid opponent

It kind of is the case. Power ranger has a lot of tools to deal with a lot of situations. They perform EXTREMELY well in small scale fights 1v1 2v2 etc.

glass cannon rangers take more skill…

something most rangers havens learnt due AI pets and binded auto attack always playing the game for them…

google.3709:

glass cannon rangers take more skill…

something most rangers havens learnt due AI pets and binded auto attack always playing the game for them…

except even with skill it will never be used top end.

Seisyll.5914:

ghaleon it looks like you are one of the many who use the viable builds and don’t even try to come up with something of your own

Well that’s just like your opinion.

DevO.9854:

google.3709:

glass cannon rangers take more skill…

something most rangers havens learnt due AI pets and binded auto attack always playing the game for them…

except even with skill it will never be used top end.

Eura does! then again he’s one of the very few rangers who know how to use their pets.

If we had something other than conquest matches, rangers would have a wider variety of builds without any changes to the meta. Currently, we are pigeon holed into a spirit/condition build because there is no other viable way to clear conditions and stay alive while holding a point.

I just wish trap ranger was viable.. It’s a lot of fun but as of now you are basically a nade engineer with less nades less range and more utility slots used for traps. Makes it pretty kittenty IMO

google.3709:

DevO.9854:

google.3709:

glass cannon rangers take more skill…

something most rangers havens learnt due AI pets and binded auto attack always playing the game for them…

except even with skill it will never be used top end.

Eura does! then again he’s one of the very few rangers who know how to use their pets.

Please show me a match recently vs a very top end team that he uses class cannon ranger and does really well.

waka.9826:

Amaterasu.6280:

this topic in itself is a joke. Rangers are the weakest? Play a ele right now and then come say that rangers are the weakest right now.

Ele will be back if conditions get toned down, don’t pretend like ele is a bad class.

This is not true. They have destroyed survivability so much that we are back in the place we were before we went full-defensive d/d bunker (i.e. a laughing stock). That spec worked b/c it survived a ton, and a weak-hitting ele who is alive does more for its team than a dead ele. At its most defensive, an ele barely has the survivability of a glass-cannon on another class now.

Now, we are pigeon-holed into glass-cannon specs, and we will never do it better than a thief or mesmer, who also have stealth+mobility or stealth+clones to survive. We have nerfed healing, nerfed/crappy mobility, and nerfed/crap survival utilities.

sorry no one should suggest that ele is in a good place, but I don’t understand why we are arguing over who is worse, obviously both need help.

Seisyll.5914:

Brigg.6189:

If you run rampage as one in any kind of damage build, you should be able to hard counter a cc warrior.

There are no viable Power builds on ranger

why he needs to be a power build to be a damage build.

RAO condi eat cc wars alive.

All I can say is….12k Maul crits incoming….

Dirame.8521:

All I can say is….12k Maul crits incoming….

I don’t think 15% damage boost will let it hit 12k. Highest I’ve hit is like 6k on a glass spec on a glass target.

DevO.9854:

google.3709:

DevO.9854:

google.3709:

glass cannon rangers take more skill…

something most rangers havens learnt due AI pets and binded auto attack always playing the game for them…

except even with skill it will never be used top end.

Eura does! then again he’s one of the very few rangers who know how to use their pets.

Please show me a match recently vs a very top end team that he uses class cannon ranger and does really well.

well… if you don’t know eura then i guess you dont do top PvP :/ so not sure how u’d know anything that happens at the top ..

google.3709:

DevO.9854:

google.3709:

DevO.9854:

google.3709:

glass cannon rangers take more skill…

something most rangers havens learnt due AI pets and binded auto attack always playing the game for them…

except even with skill it will never be used top end.

Eura does! then again he’s one of the very few rangers who know how to use their pets.

Please show me a match recently vs a very top end team that he uses class cannon ranger and does really well.

well… if you don’t know eura then i guess you dont do top PvP :/ so not sure how’d know anything that happens at top level..

I do know Eura I’ve seen him play, and as I already stated because the top .5% of rangers can do something doesn’t make it good.

Also still waiting for the stream of him playing vs a top team as glass spec.

waka.9826:

Dirame.8521:

All I can say is….12k Maul crits incoming….

I don’t think 15% damage boost will let it hit 12k. Highest I’ve hit is like 6k on a glass spec on a glass target.

That’s because you aren’t stacking power with a valkryie build.

Chopps.5047:

waka.9826:

Dirame.8521:

All I can say is….12k Maul crits incoming….

I don’t think 15% damage boost will let it hit 12k. Highest I’ve hit is like 6k on a glass spec on a glass target.

That’s because you aren’t stacking power with a valkryie build.

I prefer going man mode with berserkers sorry.

jmatb.6307:

hahahahahahaha ranger weakest class

hahahahahahaha

Im thinking on the same line.

Lol “man mode”. I like your style waka. I also like your name. Rock on dude, go out and play man! It’s friday! We’ve been on forums all day dude. Lets do this!