Guild Wars 2

Rangers, the new d/d eles. Better bunkering, better heals, 100% uptime protection and never endless dodges. Huge damage with bunker spec. GG

/no charr
Totally lol

So a slight buff to pets have made ranger god’s? Beastmaster and Trappers have always been good but no better then a lot of other classes/builds.

Hmmm, something I have noticed.

Theifs, Warriors nearly one/two shot everyone, the playerbase “Yea thats perfectly fine, very balenced, good job. Shut up QQer’s!”

Rangers finally get a decent update after 8 months “Oh my god, so OP, wow ArenaNet, not they can actually do stuff? Omg fail!”

Kwll.1468:

So a slight buff to pets have made ranger god’s? Beastmaster and Trappers have always been good but no better then a lot of other classes/builds.

Look at signets (:

Kwll.1468:

So a slight buff to pets have made ranger god’s? Beastmaster and Trappers have always been good but no better then a lot of other classes/builds.

+many other classes got nerfed – like ele.

Kwll.1468:

So a slight buff to pets have made ranger god’s? Beastmaster and Trappers have always been good but no better then a lot of other classes/builds.

Not really..
But a “slight” buff with a huge nerf to eles ..that maybe :P

Sorry, you’re the new FOTM period.

Just like eles had to deal with complaining about things (some was legit, some was nonsense). Tag, you’re it!

prepares popcorn

So… uh this is the next class to get nerfed after a buff?

You just don’t uber buff a class when you nerf the fotm class. No, Anet. Just no.

They were already op before the update, but no one noticed it because everyone was too busy complaining about eles. Now that eles are normal scratching the underpowered ground, and rangers got a small buff, yeah, they are noticed now.

Just pile conditions on bunker rangers and they drop faster than guardians or pre-nerf elementalists. Just like how you’re supposed to crack any bunker. They have almost no on demand condition removal, you ever notice that?

For this reason alone, I’m amazed how necro never reached flavor status.

New?

I like this mysterious time delay between ig fotm and forum fotm.

Minion of Vey.4398:

Sorry, you’re the new FOTM period.

Just like eles had to deal with complaining about things (some was legit, some was nonsense). Tag, you’re it!

haha but I can certainly see some complaints heading towards the Ranger.

The funny part is that the majority of the Ranger community doesn’t even feel these buffs made that much of a difference. I feel the buffs were good but nothing that will make the Ranger the apex predator.

Please tell me what’s this huge dmg bunker spec? cos ranger is my main and i wanna play it… seriously the only way a bunker ranger can do even average dmg vs a target golem is with pets if he’s specced for BM and that dmg drops to about 25% when in pvp as good players will avoid 3/4 of your pet’s attacks.

The ranger community is complaining because they same builds that were the top builds at release in pvp, are still the top builds.

Believe it or not, not everybody wants to play a pet based or trap based ranger build. There are people out there who want to play weapon based builds (as in, where the weapon is the focus of the build).

I have a feeling this guy thinks Guard works on the Ranger…

Xsorus.2507:

I have a feeling this guy thinks Guard works on the Ranger…

Well you can achieve NEAR 100% protection uptime with 30 Nature Magic, a proc’d Spirit of Earth, 2x each of the 10% boon uptime runes, 2x 15% protection runes, and dodge rolling with 15 Wilderness Survival after getting that proc (which lasts ~4.5 seconds plus ~3 seconds = 7.5s of protection).

Though I seriously doubt anybody who’s decent thinks that the build this is going to end up being viable lol.

Eles werent close to 50% uptime of prot unless you go forge runes either!!
Look at my ele now..He travels extra 300 units per 10 sec and you can go 1000 units by successfully performing the sword 2 skill every 8 sec..more with swiftness..
While being a bunker
While doing non bunker direct damage through pet and condie damage through your skills
While having great cond removal
While having good amount of dodges/evades and access to a water field
Am i wrong somewhere?..Did i mention the infinite range on pet?

Also there was this big trend with spirit watch ele hate when it came into rotation ..
Honestly with 40 % reduction of rtl range plus the reduction from the bug fix plus 40 sec cd without target i cant see ele carrying this kitten.
While ranger is untouched.
Prepare for a lot of ranger hate when this comes back..

kostbabis.8791:

Eles werent close to 50% uptime of prot unless you go forge runes either!!
Look at my ele now..He travels extra 300 units per 10 sec and you can go 1000 units by successfully performing the sword 2 skill every 8 sec..more with swiftness..
While being a bunker
While doing non bunker direct damage through pet and condie damage through your skills
While having great cond removal
While having good amount of dodges/evades and access to a water field
Am i wrong somewhere?..Did i mention the infinite range on pet?

I assume you expect me to agree with you and say this is strong.

What I’m going to say is that I’ve been able to do this since launch, the class is stagnant to play because it’s been the same builds since launch, and I would like to see the build diversity improve across the entire game.

Now to the point where I agree and say that it is strong, but not gamebreakingly strong, because if it was then these complaints would have been going on for ~9 months now, not ~2.

The only thing that’s changed for the ranger is how many people are using it (the builds are the exact same).

Welcome to NA meta, anyone now interested in picking up ranger should check out this IMBA guide video
Cheers!
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ensoriki.5789:

New?

kostbabis.8791:

Eles werent close to 50% uptime of prot unless you go forge runes either!!

Umm….

30 arcane Elementalists gets 43.3% protection with a standard 15s rotation. If you speed up the rotation you can get up to 57%. If you are running Armor of Earth cantrip, that is up to 8.7% heavily frontloaded protection. (meaning that you can get 21s of continuous protection in a fight)

luxen.8376:

Kwll.1468:

So a slight buff to pets have made ranger god’s? Beastmaster and Trappers have always been good but no better then a lot of other classes/builds.

Look at signets (:

Are you serious? Trapper and BM builds don’t use signets, and those are the only 2 viable tpvp builds.

Signet of the wild got its cc halved but the duration also got reduced to 8 seconds, so now you have to side strafe even less time to waste pets attempts at attacking you.

Pope.1469:

Just pile conditions on bunker rangers and they drop faster than guardians or pre-nerf elementalists. Just like how you’re supposed to crack any bunker. They have almost no on demand condition removal, you ever notice that?

For this reason alone, I’m amazed how necro never reached flavor status.

I don’t get why people say this all the time. Rangers have plenty of condition removal if they’re built correctly. It may not be on-demand, but it’s still really good.

Lopez.7369:

Pope.1469:

Just pile conditions on bunker rangers and they drop faster than guardians or pre-nerf elementalists. Just like how you’re supposed to crack any bunker. They have almost no on demand condition removal, you ever notice that?

For this reason alone, I’m amazed how necro never reached flavor status.

I don’t get why people say this all the time. Rangers have plenty of condition removal if they’re built correctly. It may not be on-demand, but it’s still really good.

On demand is always better than passive

Btw pets got almost 0 dmg buffs..(i said almost cause someone will claim a dmg buff the reduced casting time in F2,or the Signet of the Wild buff..i know its not for someone who plays a Ranger but still i want to be accurate)

Dardamaniac.1295:

On demand is always better than passive

This isn’t necessarily true. Passive allows you to continue attacking or use other defensive abilities while cleansing. That can be a pretty big advantage when trying to stay offensive. So it’s situational, although I agree on-demand is mostly better than passive.

As a condition necromancer, I feel rangers have enough passive removal that it feels like constant cleansing pressure. It can take a while to start building momentum on a ranger depending on where their timers are when I first engage them, and that delay can be enough to decide a fight.

To be clear, I’m not agreeing rangers are overpowered. I think the new metagame still needs time to settle, and even the best players still have to adjust to some of the changes in one-on-one and group environments. I just disagree that rangers are easily wrecked by conditions.

Bad players always need something to complain about. It’s a coping mechanism.

Rangers can skirmish or do small fights well.
As they get larger the class gets worse at a depressingly fast rate.

Unlike HgH engis.
Unlike eles.
Unlike mesmers.

Minion of Vey.4398:

Sorry, you’re the new FOTM period.

Just like eles had to deal with complaining about things (some was legit, some was nonsense). Tag, you’re it!

LOL!! too funny!

and its true, rangers are proably the new ele.. if the patterms are followed with OP classes, rangers won’t be nerfed for at least 6-9 months!! so just endure the QQ from forums and enjoy being the new God

google.3709:

enjoy being the new God

At their prime, eles could heal an ally for 20~k in a few seconds and rez people on a 4~s cast even from being dead. They have stability for rez/stomps, protection, blinks, unstoppable escapes, might stacking, 3~ good hard CCs, chills, imobs, exc. and none of that requires a badly AI’ed, killable pet.

Rangers have a pretty good solo skirmishing setup but kittenty kitten team fighting.

It’s a drastically large difference between where the two are/were.

Well ofc, they are different classes, different builds, different strengths and weakness.

Personally, i don’t play ranger alot, specially trapper but as somehing who’s fought them a lot i can mention some of the things i see see as their strong points.

• Strong AoE condition pressure.
• Lots of Evades and Strong regen.
• Long Leash that allows the ranger to defend 1 point while the pet fights on another. one(They deal really good dmg too).
• lots of single target CC on short CD.
• Also, seem quickness on pet swamp allows for some quick and dirty resses too.
• and have prob the best Self-Ress mechanic in game.

Eles were mobility/support, rangers are hard to catch and deadly :]. not hating on rangers or anything. i like the class and like to see that classes who were considered underpowered in the past are starting to shine, but now as the time of the post says! rangers will be FOTM and should expect alot of “kind” comments, specially from resentful ele’s xP

Well, I certainly agree BM bunker rangers can put out “stronger than bunker level damage” by using a bird or a cat.
They can have good mobility, condi protection, sustainability and on demand burst all in one. They may be on the “too strong” side right now. We’ll see in a few weeks.

I think we all knew how good bunker Rangers were, but they can’t survive focus fire like Eles can, and they can’t disengage like Eles can.

…meanwhile i’m making a bm ranger for tpvp…also need the forth champ title and ranger is the best way atm for sure..

Wildclaw.6073:

kostbabis.8791:

Eles werent close to 50% uptime of prot unless you go forge runes either!!

Umm….

30 arcane Elementalists gets 43.3% protection with a standard 15s rotation. If you speed up the rotation you can get up to 57%. If you are running Armor of Earth cantrip, that is up to 8.7% heavily frontloaded protection. (meaning that you can get 21s of continuous protection in a fight)

what?maybe you are not taking attunements global cd..
Besides thats completely theoretical.You falsely assume that its viable for the ele to go in earth and leave immediately without casting any spells..Imo not casting any earth spell for the whole fight is not worth the extra prot so i can reach 50% uptime ..
lol :P
edit:too dizzy to do the maths but you must indeed take into acount the g cd.
Still its too theoritical when casting spells like earth 2 -3-4 and then switch directly or when casting 5 drops it way lower than that..

Don’t care about the pets, I’m frustrated with their insane ability to dodge and spam protection and regen. It wasn’t until I tried out the new sword dagger skills that I realized just how bad it is.
Oh, he’s got boons! Let’s rip em! Flanking strike, rip… oh he’s got protection up again, I guess I’ll just rip it again evadedevadedprotectionevadedevaded and now he has full health, I have 12 stacks of bleeding, and Fido just knocked my face into the dirt. I’ll admit that I haven’t looked at ranger much so I don’t know how to counter very well, but it’s annoying and discouraging how they can so easily walk all over me in a 1vs 1 situation without so much as getting scratched.

Kwll.1468:

So a slight buff to pets have made ranger god’s? Beastmaster and Trappers have always been good but no better then a lot of other classes/builds.

They were already pretty kittening strong. Now that builds with comparable strength took slight nerfs, they’re ever so stronger. It has nothing to do with the pets as most rangers don’t and still won’t even use the pets that got buffed.

hharry.1967:

Rangers, the new d/d eles. Better bunkering, better heals, 100% uptime protection and never endless dodges. Huge damage with bunker spec. GG

which now drop to my boon stealing venom share theif

google.3709:

• lots of single target CC on short CD.
• Also, seem quickness on pet swamp allows for some quick and dirty resses too.
• and have prob the best Self-Ress mechanic in game.

There is 2-5 CCs on a ranger, but the less interrupt focused CC’s are done by the pet and only good against people who don’t keep an eye on the pet, the animations are obvious on 40+s CDs, kind of random and lethargic.
The quickness is only half what it used to be, that 2s of quickness trait used to be great, now its mediocre.

The spirit of nature is a complete skillshot, you have to time your death to within 1.5~s while staying within 500~ range of the spirit without, intentional or not, aoes blowing it up… you can’t activate spirit of nature while downed.
It makes fighting good thieves next to impossible with it, they will either just blow threw the things 15~k life 0 toughness with a backstab and a few auto attacks before blackpowdering back into stealth, or just knock out the rest of your healthbar instantly with a backstab->steal.
(pressing the button isn’t enough you have to click and lift your finger from the key or it won’t trigger, which makes a 1/3~s requirement to activate)

It’s a decently balanced FOUR MINUTE CD elite skill.

Very few if any rangers intentionally send only their pets to other points to help a fight. It’s a 1.5~k range on the ‘attack this guy’ command with a longer range leash. For the most part it is just people who forget their pet and it wanders around aimlessly attacking the same guy as he wanders the map.

Kline.9561:

hharry.1967:

Rangers, the new d/d eles. Better bunkering, better heals, 100% uptime protection and never endless dodges. Huge damage with bunker spec. GG

which now drop to my boon stealing venom share theif

Scrubs will be scrubs.
Ele’s were OP if not strong in every way.
Rangers can only skirmish well.

A massive difference when it comes to tournaments.

hharry.1967:

They were already op before the update, but no one noticed it because everyone was too busy complaining about eles. Now that eles are normal scratching the underpowered ground, and rangers got a small buff, yeah, they are noticed now.

This right here!

when we see 3 rangers 1 guardian + 1 other class in top tournaments, then we can start talking about rangers being OP like eles before.

ninja.4139:

They were already pretty kittening strong. Now that builds with comparable strength took slight nerfs, they’re ever so stronger. It has nothing to do with the pets as most rangers don’t and still won’t even use the pets that got buffed.

Every pet got buffed. All pets received a minor vitality boost and a couple tanky pets received a toughness boost. A lot of the ranger complaints aren’t even about builds which were touched in the recent patch, trappers are the same as they always have been and most bunker BM builds don’t trait in marksmanship so the signet buffs won’t affect them much.

Aside from that a few pets got improvements to their F2 skill activation times, most of these pets couldn’t hit the ground if they fell on it so this is taking something that was largely useless and making it shine.

Spirits are still a joke and the only thing left after that was a couple shouts and signets. So unless there is some signet/shout ranger build dominating the meta, it has nothing to do with the ranger buffs this patch and everything to do with perception.

Wow, third post rangers being op on the first page.
I think there are some reasons why

a) slightly buffs to rangers
b) huge nerfs to other professions (especially eles)
c) People being busy crying about eles
d) Most rangers still dindn’t figure out how to skill/equip the right way. But there more and more who figure it out (just like with confusion in wvsw. while some months ago i didnt met a single confusion mesmer, everybody was playing it till last week)

main reason is probably c), as rangers where already strong the last months

Mmmm, delicious tears. I will enjoy watching your pleas go unanswered.