Guild Wars 2

So my first match in solo arena and I get teamed up with a Rank 1 and a Rank 3.

This is ArenaNet’s idea of a reasonable reset? Placing players with hundreds of hours of playtime on the same team as people with none?

The only logical takeaway from this is that ArenaNet wants PvP’ers to not play right now.

apprently matches are not based on rank~

before the patch you also had matches with rank 50-60 vs team of rank 3-15 lol

I think this is happening because everyone has the same starting/base MMR at their very first match entry today. If you que at the same time as a rank 1 and rank 3 and it’s their/your first match since reset, you would have the same MMR. I thought that there would be a 10 match stabilization before leaderboard rankings started showing to help with this. I could be mistaken about this, but this seems to be the case and seems consistent with several other posts about matches since reset.

I think that even a casual observer would see the fault with this implementation.

Thanks ArenaNet – I’ll not be playing your PvP for a while.

Do you recall if there were any 1s or 3s on the opposing team?

That is what a reset means. The first match will feel completely random, especially since it was likely the first match after the reset for most of the other players as well.

Think of it as the first click in a minesweeper game. (Yeah I’m from the 90s…sorry.) You could click a mine the first time. That doesn’t make the game “unfair.” If you click a mine the first time, you just start another game.

The first match after any reset will feel completely random. After glicko2 has a few random match results to pull from, it will start placing you better. After around ten matches, you’ll start to settle in to your region of the leaderboard.

Laserbolt.6731:

Do you recall if there were any 1s or 3s on the opposing team?

1 Rank 7, some rank 40 and 20+.

I am newbie always, Justin. You don’t have to rub it in -_-

maybe time to show leaderboard rank or better rating (on scoreboard) to finally get rid of people complaining about other ranks because even after so many months there are still people who think rank matters /facepalm

Funny thing is the real issue still haven’t been addressed, I’m still getting games 4v5 and 3v5 everything ok I guess I would like someone to personally email me so I can buy out you’re company for real.

@Thedenofsin W/e man, pre-reset and pre-matchmaking fix, a lot of us who weren’t lucky enough to ride the initial high rank wave (MMR) constantly got teamed up with lowbies vs top ranked teams.

If each team has a low rank, so be it at least it is essentially a 4v4 (fair game).

@Josh,
Ya, those no-shows suck. Pretty much a promised loss as soon as the game starts. I still try to win but usually it ain’t going to happen.

Thedenofsin.7340:

I think that even a casual observer would see the fault with this implementation.

Thanks ArenaNet – I’ll not be playing your PvP for a while.

Seems your observing skills are a little casual too.

MMR reset which people talked about a hundred times.

Also people need to stop whining that rank doesnt mean anything because of skyhammer in one post, then crying that the ranks arent even in the next.

Justin ODell.9517:

Everyone’s MMR was just reset. In the eyes of the matchmaker, you’re all newbies now.

A casual observer would recognize that someone who is rank 1 is not as skilled as someone who is rank 50 (I’m not rank 50). This statement holds true for the overwhelming majority of cases. Knowing this, I am at a loss why one would institute an MMR reset with such a logic error.

Is there a plan to fix the matchmaking logic to prevent this in the future, accompanied with another MMR reset?

Admit it! You skyhammered from rank 1 to 30. So it makes no difference anyway, höhö.

Justin ODell.9517:

Everyone’s MMR was just reset. In the eyes of the matchmaker, you’re all newbies now.

Can you seed R1-10 players below the default starter MMR as a special case? That way they are more likely to match against each other.

Yes, we know rank doesn’t mean much, but there is a big difference in playing abilities for R1 players in their first match.

ShadowAce.5432:

@Thedenofsin W/e man, pre-reset and pre-matchmaking fix, a lot of us who weren’t lucky enough to ride the initial high rank wave (MMR) constantly got teamed up with lowbies vs top ranked teams.

If each team has a low rank, so be it at least it is essentially a 4v4 (fair game).

If each team has 1 player of low rank, then that would probably be true, but there is no logic in the matchmaking code that does this.

This has been happening for months. Where do you people come from? At least now those players have a chance at being split up on both teams. Before you would have them on the same side. Nothing has changed since solo q started except the game now tries to split the ten people selected for a match onto both teams in a way that makes them as close as possible rating wise. But it blows my mind we have people posting like having rank 3 with rank 40 is something new. The game has a relatively small population it doesn’t wait forever for really tight rating ranges. Maybe it should but to act like this is something new I gotta wonder what rock people were under.

Justin ODell.9517:

Everyone’s MMR was just reset. In the eyes of the matchmaker, you’re all newbies now.

And exactly that is why there must be an entry barrier.

The matchmaker has to use some “random” matches to get the information to place people properly in the future. As Justin said, it has to treat everyone equally for their first match and then it has information to work from.

I had a match where I had the highest rank on my team (27) and the enemy team’s lowest rank was 39. It was a painful match. I can’t wait for things to settle back out.

Justin ODell.9517:

Everyone’s MMR was just reset. In the eyes of the matchmaker, you’re all newbies now.

Hey Justin, do you think is possible to add a filter for numbers of tournaments played? We have this parameter in our stats (we have it for every profession we play too) so i think it’s a good parameter to individuate “experience player level in tournament”

It’s better than pvp rank (because if people is r60 skyhammer farmer it doesn’t mean they have experience in tpvp) and this would avoid to put together inexperience people with experience people.

What part of “Leaderboard reset” do you not get?
If you’re good, you will go up and meet with other good players after a few games.
You KNEW it was going to be like this, dont act like you’re surprised.

Justin ODell.9517:

Everyone’s MMR was just reset. In the eyes of the matchmaker, you’re all newbies now.

This happened even before your update, though. Playing with clueless Rank 1s is VERY frustrating when you have more than 2.2k games under your belt. Makes me question the whole purpose of Solo Q!

Hopefully your changes will adjust the MMR in the near future.

Nabbo.2845:

This happened even before your update, though. Playing with clueless Rank 1s is VERY frustrating when you have more than 2.2k games under your belt. Makes me question the whole purpose of Solo Q!

Hopefully your changes will adjust the MMR in the near future.

That only happened if your rating was so low that you deserved to be paired up with those kinds of players.

Lopez that’s not true.

We all come back to start at the same zilch MMR, meaning great players are matched with low level, inexperienced or bad players until wins and losses start separating the list.

Read what I quoted. I was responding to a comment about what happened before the update.

Team with most low ranks = loose.

story of soloq

There should be an assumed starting MMR based on rank.

So that the very inexperienced already start at a lower rung (<15), and the very experienced start at a higher rung (45+).

This will spread out the ranks a bit to start, but not so much that a bad lvl 50 won’t drop down quickly, and a good level 10 won’t come up. And it won’t punish the experienced players with people who have no clue.

looses caused by rank 1 – 15 guys, who have no clue what to do make me ragequit everytime.

Most other matches are balanced and fun!