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Ranked Arenas and Players
Most who complain about getting stuck in Amber aren’t as good as they think they are. That is a fact.
Your post is full of legit assumptions but how, on what basis on you denying those folks claim when anet current system:
Group low MMR players and match them up against High MMR players
Since, MMR is not always indicative of skills, with the current system a good player can indeed get stuck in amber. My question to you is, what aren’t you getting?? If there is a possibility, what makes you doubt what others are saying??
Your post is full of legit assumptions but how, on what basis on you denying those folks claim when anet current system:
Group low MMR players and match them up against High MMR players
Since, MMR is not always indicative of skills, with the current system a good player can indeed get stuck in amber. My question to you is, what aren’t you getting?? If there is a possibility, what makes you doubt what others are saying??
My basis is first hand experiences with players who makes questionable decisions on what the team should be committing too, questionable decisions that inevitably brought the team down as well as their moral will to continue. I told you this isn’t about MMR yet you would jump the gun at the sight of a contrarian who speaks truth? We all, as human beings, have an ideal image of ourselves that aren’t as indicative of who we truly are which applies to the great deal of players who are still in amber.
There’s quite a few diamonds and rubies who got out of amber through skill, e.g. class knowledge, rotation understandings, and general mechanics of the game. I won’t use the “if they can do it, why can’t you?” argument Because the answer is simply: you’re not at that level yet
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Your post is full of legit assumptions but how, on what basis on you denying those folks claim when anet current system:
Group low MMR players and match them up against High MMR players
Since, MMR is not always indicative of skills, with the current system a good player can indeed get stuck in amber. My question to you is, what aren’t you getting?? If there is a possibility, what makes you doubt what others are saying??
My basis is first hand experiences with players who makes questionable decisions on what the team should be committing too, questionable decisions that inevitably brought the team down as well as their moral will to continue. I told you this isn’t about MMR yet you would jump the gun at the sight of a contrarian who speaks truth? We all, as human beings, have an ideal image of ourselves that aren’t as indicative of who we truly are which applies to the great deal of players who are still in amber.
There’s quite a few diamonds and rubies who got out of amber through skill, e.g. class knowledge, rotation understandings, and general mechanics of the game. I won’t use the “if they can do it, why can’t you?” Because the answer is simply: you’re not at that level yet
Don’t forget to add the class they were using as well. The class someone is using has a 60% influence on the outcome of the game.
So, you have been in the gane with evrything who has been complaining? Is that what you are saying Uhm, great indeed.
Your post is full of legit assumptions but how, on what basis on you denying those folks claim when anet current system:
Group low MMR players and match them up against High MMR players
Since, MMR is not always indicative of skills, with the current system a good player can indeed get stuck in amber. My question to you is, what aren’t you getting?? If there is a possibility, what makes you doubt what others are saying??
My basis is first hand experiences with players who makes questionable decisions on what the team should be committing too, questionable decisions that inevitably brought the team down as well as their moral will to continue. I told you this isn’t about MMR yet you would jump the gun at the sight of a contrarian who speaks truth? We all, as human beings, have an ideal image of ourselves that aren’t as indicative of who we truly are which applies to the great deal of players who are still in amber.
There’s quite a few diamonds and rubies who got out of amber through skill, e.g. class knowledge, rotation understandings, and general mechanics of the game. I won’t use the “if they can do it, why can’t you?” Because the answer is simply: you’re not at that level yet
Don’t forget to add the class they were using as well. The class someone is using has a 60% influence on the outcome of the game.
So, you have been in the gane with evrything who has been complaining? Is that what you are saying Uhm, great indeed.
No where in my post did I imply ever having been with everyone who complained.
You’ve completely missed the entire point of this post and merit no further discussion.
Your post is full of legit assumptions but how, on what basis on you denying those folks claim when anet current system:
Group low MMR players and match them up against High MMR players
Since, MMR is not always indicative of skills, with the current system a good player can indeed get stuck in amber. My question to you is, what aren’t you getting?? If there is a possibility, what makes you doubt what others are saying??
My basis is first hand experiences with players who makes questionable decisions on what the team should be committing too, questionable decisions that inevitably brought the team down as well as their moral will to continue. I told you this isn’t about MMR yet you would jump the gun at the sight of a contrarian who speaks truth? We all, as human beings, have an ideal image of ourselves that aren’t as indicative of who we truly are which applies to the great deal of players who are still in amber.
There’s quite a few diamonds and rubies who got out of amber through skill, e.g. class knowledge, rotation understandings, and general mechanics of the game. I won’t use the “if they can do it, why can’t you?” argument Because the answer is simply: you’re not at that level yet
Wait, aren’t you generalizing your experience?? Or have I read you wrong??
Your post is full of legit assumptions but how, on what basis on you denying those folks claim when anet current system:
Group low MMR players and match them up against High MMR players
Since, MMR is not always indicative of skills, with the current system a good player can indeed get stuck in amber. My question to you is, what aren’t you getting?? If there is a possibility, what makes you doubt what others are saying??
My basis is first hand experiences with players who makes questionable decisions on what the team should be committing too, questionable decisions that inevitably brought the team down as well as their moral will to continue. I told you this isn’t about MMR yet you would jump the gun at the sight of a contrarian who speaks truth? We all, as human beings, have an ideal image of ourselves that aren’t as indicative of who we truly are which applies to the great deal of players who are still in amber.
There’s quite a few diamonds and rubies who got out of amber through skill, e.g. class knowledge, rotation understandings, and general mechanics of the game. I won’t use the “if they can do it, why can’t you?” argument Because the answer is simply: you’re not at that level yet
Wait, aren’t you generalizing your experience?? Or have I read you wrong??
I’m not generalizing my experience. I did not imply that I’ve been with everyone who complained. My experiences are a few encounters and the only generalization made was your imaginative implication that I’ve only ever met people who do complain, albeit there are quite many it still does not engulf the majority of my experiences.
Yes I’m aware I’ve basically gone against my own word, but I would prefer it if you did not twist my words into your preferences. This is referring to the “… merit no further discussion.” part.
LOL We know there is a math error. We know what the error is.
This thread isn’t worth the time to flame.
LOL We know there is a math error. We know what the error is.
This thread isn’t worth the time to flame.
To each his own. Have a good day.
There’s a lot of players claiming they’re constantly being paired up with bad players and implying they didn’t make a mistake during the game. It’s entirely questionable that this many people are complaining about it and are refusing to believe that they too are “subpar”. This isn’t about mmr or pre-mades vs. PuGs, this is about players in denial of their position on the “skill chain”, like food chain. There’s people thinking going far is not ideal and would rather stream into mid to get stomped rather than changing positions. Or the taboo label players placed on rushing lord while you’re ahead at 350, which isn’t a wrong move unless you’re streaming in getting rolled individually. Adapt and be open minded about strategies as well as composition rather than adopt what you’ve heard as concrete facts.
There’s ways of going about things and rather than blame others, polish the minor mistakes you’ve made rather than what others make. If you’re climbing up the ladders, you should be working on your own skills, not worry about what others do. Yes there are newbie players who don’t understand rotations and compositions, but mentor them rather than berate them and shun them from PvP, don’t complain when he makes the same mistake on your team next game. Yes there will be times when you literally can’t do anything.
I doubt all of you who do complain about others on your team are as good as you think you are.
Flame me.
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Well, I will address some of your eggregious misassumptions.
Personally I presume I did not have a low mmr at start of seas 2. I was in ruby, 100% solo, 2 pips from diamond. I didn’t make it cuz the last 2 days, players made a mad dash and tried to “breeze thru wins” using old losing strategies from seas 1, and it hurt my ability to get diamond and prolly my mmr too. But whatever. With a high number of games under my belt, and a 53% win ratio, I don’t think my mmr was reflective of a lower tier player. I breezed thru amber and 1st tier emerald in less than an hr day one.
Then all of sudden, my skill seems to have vanished! I started losing. The first games lost were due to afkers etc who still thought losing games was still a good way to win this season ( I would never engage in such tactics, I always try to win). I had some dc’ers. I had some who threw games for friends. We also had a few got stomped by rerolling/op/gimmicky teams on ts. Fine. I guess spvp is now a team sport exclusively.
In addition, once I started losing, mmr started matching me w/ poorer players (day 1-2 of seas 2). I play alot. I couldn’t save all the matches. Sometimes you just get matched w/ ppl who r not a good fit (rerolls wont help or not available) or who don’t know how to play spvp. I even loaded in on occasion with 4 v 5 and yet I still lost a pip, even tho it was right from the beginning.
I am not, as arrogantly implied by many, upset about facing better players. In fact, that’s what I like about spvp – the competition. That way I can get better if I need to.
People at the top often smugly mention that they don’t like to carry people who “don’t know what to do.” What do you think I am encountering? How come it is perfectly okay for me to encounter people needing to be carried endlessly, but not you? I don’t understand. I paid the same amount for this game as you.
I take offense every time someone deminimizes my frustration, and that of others, especially since in my case, I have been playing pvp on GW for 14 years.
I am not paired with people in my skill level. I did not sink to this level because of my personal skill.
Think about it. My mmr is not calculated solely (or even necessarily primarily) by my personal skill level. It is calculated by the sum total of all the games I have played, and thus includes, and perhaps is primarily the result of, the personal skill levels of all my teammates, as well the desire/ability of each and every one of my teammates to play.
This isn’t about right or wrong. There have been some horrible miscalculations and design flaws that are horribly skewed, and not panning out according to the “purist” model as designed, and consequently, the system is punishing longstanding, loyal members of the gw family, as well as punishing most casual pvp players, which unfortunately anymore, is most of the gw2 population base.
Remember, as I face more and more losses it will be impossible for me to claw my way up, and in the interim, I am forced to play beneath my own personal skill level (contrary to what you may think), and it is quite frustrating and demoralizing. My last 4 matches even had players who admitted they deliberately dc’ed or went astray. I even loaded in again recently with a 4 v 5 match. The players were reported, chat recorded, as needed, but so what – I still lost my pips and my downward spiral continues. What was it exactly that I was supposed to do to refine my play? I am at the bottom playing with people who don’t know how to play. There is no support. I can kill 1 v 4, but so what. If my teammates are doing nothing and 1 is afk, and the rest quit because of this, or they don’t care (cus its just one game after all), how is this my fault or reflective of my skill? How will I ever go up? One person cannot carry a team. One person cannot cap two points simultaneously.
Also, as to those eternal suggestions that players at the bottom can always go play unranked, cuz that’s where we presumably belong, is again offensive. Without ever seeing any of us play, how would you know where our skill level is really at? Besides, in unranked, players go there to fight one another one-on-one mid map or to test builds and the waits are very long. Also, most of the players in there are just as bad as what Im currently getting paired with, yes, thru no fault of my own. No fault of my own. Are you hearing that? Im not in denial. I am not a bad player. I was recently paired with 4 people, all of whom were in sapphire. They told me I was awesome, they begged me to stay, but they tried to three cap, yes three cap, and we lost. They asked me for advice. They were all in sapphire. Are you hearing me? How would going to unranked help me or anyone else, even presuming we need help and need to get better (and btw I don’t personally need help – since playing spvp since beta has taught me how to play by now). How is this suggestion a solution? People actually tell me to go do something else – go play in unranked. Why don’t we all just go to pve too, and never pvp?
I am entitled to refuse to play w/ friends. That is my prerogative. I am 100% solo que. If anet wanted all ranked pvp to be team based, w/friends, then anet should make it mandatory that all people form a team in order to play ranked pvp, and should also eliminate the hotjoin button. Also, btw, my friends don’t want to risk lowering their cumulative mmr, by carrying a “kitten player” cuz the match-ups offer them no team support and players are often clueless about strategy or builds and sometimes, even with 2 good players, you still can’t save the team to rise up out of the lowest tiers. Yah, its not fun. I am not enjoying it at all. I have been stuck on the same tier of emerald since the first day. Its been more than 100 games. Are you really suggesting that anyone is this bad? Really? After 14 years of playing?
I don’t want to be carried. I have never been carried in pvp. I play 100% solo, and always have and always will. Its a preference. I don’t want to feel forced to do what “top players” think I should do to fix my dilemma, or to improve my fun level or skill level.
Also, my cumulative mmr is now shot forever. I will never be able to claw my way out of the bottom, probably not this season, and possibly never. Its not fun. Its the antithesis of fun. If you want to come carry me, please do so.
However, I will continue to empathize and support the same frustrations other players are experiencing as well and are quitting the game over. I don’t want GW to die. I want anet to try to fix it.
Don’t presume I play ranked pvp for the backpiece either. I don’t care about the backpiece at all. I don’t even want it. I play pvp specifically because I like strong competition. Now I must endure frustration endlessly and believe me, its not fun. Its not competitive. I am just a teacher now. My patience is beyond over. Ive stopped talking in real life. I am demoralized and upset.
Contrary to what you say and imply, at least at it applies in my case, no matter how many times you say it or imply it, I am not a bad player. My mmr is the cumulative result of the skill levels and motivations of the teammates I get paired with, along with my personal skill and other external factors like lag, dcs, etc. I can get punished very badly if my teammates are bad. I am living proof of that.
Please do not think I have not considered your viewpoint. I just think until you walk a mile in my shoes for one day in pvp, under the present system, that you are showing an amazing lack of understanding of the issues.
I have never felt the need to come onto the forums for anything in 14 yrs of playing gw. Now I am just plain tired. The few friends I had on here quit. I am sad. But, by all means, you should not only enjoy your own experience, you should pass judgment on what it is you think I need to do.