Ranked PvP - Analysis and Opinion

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Posted by: Adaar.6489

Adaar.6489

Hello Everyone! Welcome to my analysis of the Guild Wars 2 ranked system thus far and suggestions to improve it.

This is long but I have categories for those who want to scan for the TL;DR version.

A little background before we begin:

I offer a fairly unique perspective as someone who joined the game just before Heart of Thorns launched. I didn’t start to PvP until right before season 1 ranked.

Season 1 :

Pro 1: Amber offers incentive for users to try ranked (all seasons). I figured I’d play through amber for the rewards since I wouldn’t be penalized for losses. I got hooked. I think this is a great way to introduce players to ranked.

Con 1: Rank has more to do with perseverance then skill. Players were queued for games near their skill level (MMR). I climbed because I slowly improved from a low MMR to a mediocre MMR. I used autotarget, I clicked on my abilities most of the season, and played only necro in ranked. I made it to diamond. My rank had nothing to do with comparing me to other players and I had no idea that was the case.

Pro 2: Ranked games felt appropriate for skill level. This leads to the pro of this system. As a trend, my games felt winnable. This is not to say every game was fair and balanced, but I felt my match ups reflected my skill level. This became more so when the system for queuing with others changed part way through the season. I only solo queue.

Con 2: AFKs and MMR tanking. This was a major issue last season. Players could purposely tank their MMR for easier wins. On top of that, other players on their team would lose pips even if a user was DCed or Akitten.

Season 2:

Con 1: The wait for ranked. It was about a month between season 1 and season 2 of ranked. As someone who loved the climb and competition, I found the wait to be brutal. I think most people agree there must be a better way to handle this.

Pro 1: Rank more accurately reflects skill. Players in season 2 are not matched with opponents by MMR like in season 1. Players are matched with team members based on MMR and opponents based on pip rank. This forces players to play against players in their tier rather than at their MMR level. Low MMR no longer gives you an advantage, it gives you a disadvantage. This leads to the next point.

Con 2: High MMR gives you an advantage/Low MMR gives a disadvantage. I was served a giant slice of humble pie when i hit sapphire as my face was slammed into the ground game after game. I couldn’t help but wonder, what is the MMR difference between these matches? Were my matches even winnable from a statistics standpoint? How frustrating must it be for a new player to get on a team full of pro player MMR? How frustrating must it be for pro players to have to play against those with much lower skill to progress?

Pro 2: Inability to rank up from MMR tanking. Losing will get you a lower MMR and get you paired with progressively worse players on your own team. MMR tanking can only hurt players.

Con 3: RAAAGE. I’ve seen more rage this season in GW2 then anywhere else in the game. The combination of a more skill based rank and the potential for unfair games over and over has caused a bad attitude from a lot of people.

Pro 3: Increase in skill from a competitive ranked system. I know I’ve already improved a great deal in a short amount of time. I no longer feel like I can just keep making the same mistakes over and over. I had to really think hard about what I was doing wrong and how I can carry harder. This helped me eventually climb to ruby, where I currently stand.

My thoughts for further improvement

I think that season 2 is a step in the right direction but further changes need to be made to improve the player experience. Here are my thoughts to improve the system

1. Placement matches. I know this hurts the more casual feel of the ranked PVP compared to other PVP games but there is a reason they exist. Creating a system where strong players rank up quickly by stepping on low rank players has consequences, ie extreme frustration for the average player. Placement matches can put players in more fair matches based on their history and further determine their skill. Then they can be placed in a rank more suited to their skill range and climb from there. Tier rewards can be obtained all at once this rank up happens. There could even be a neat animation as you gain the pip tiers and climb.

2. The ability to drop ranks. I know this seems like it would only increase the rage of players, but no one likes to be outclassed over and over in their matches. As much I like the fact I cannot drop, I have to admit, I think it’s unhealthy for the game. There’s always a chance that someone gets placed higher than they should be. If the game decreases their rank as they lose, they will get placed in more fair games for them. If they are good enough to climb, they will climb.

Here are my suggestions:

1. Add a preseason to break up the lull between seasons. You can still play within your rank and climb or fall in regards to MMR. Perhaps disable rewards for tiers and titles during this time.

2. Players can drop ranks except in Amber and Emerald (see below for more info)

3. Add titles/rewards based on where you ended the season. I think titles, icons, outfits, etc. could be dispensed to show your dedication to ranked and where you ended the season. Legendary is not the only rank that matters.

4. Use MMR to set up games and dispense pips like in the first season, but make the following changes to leagues:

Amber rank: Player is in their placement matches
– Player gets pips on completing games, win or loss.
– There will still be reason to try ranked.

Once completed, players will place into ranks emerald – legendary
– Users can lose all ranks except emerald since it will be the lowest

These are my thoughts for a better system that would incorporate the pros and cons of all seasons. Of course, I’m just a player and I’m sure there are plenty of things I’m missing. Still, I wanted to throw my opinion out there due to the love of the game.

Happy playing!

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Posted by: Cyanon.1928

Cyanon.1928

Im mostly a soloQ and I enjoy the challenge of ranked. I consider my self experienced and skilled based on my past success in terms of win/lose ratio (Im close to having the Campion Brawler title).

However, this season I started soloQing and I got into a losing streak of 15 in a row in one day and 35 in a row the second day…..

Games are being lost by really BIG margins, my team mates usually dont know how to rotate, dont know how to focus a target , most dont even know when to fight and went to support other fights…

Its a total mess, games dont feel winnable to the point that I dont que for ranked anymore….

What happened there? How can I get out of the losing spiral? clearly something is wrong with the matchmaking system and thats why ppl are raging in the forums…

How can we fix the terrible game experience for those stuck with the bad players even while they are not bad players?

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Posted by: Pakkazull.6894

Pakkazull.6894

Hello Everyone! Welcome to my analysis of the Guild Wars 2 ranked system thus far and suggestions to improve it…

Yep, agree with pretty much all of it. Placement matches and the ability to drop divisions would go a long way towards improving the system.

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Posted by: Ithilwen.1529

Ithilwen.1529

I think the ability to drop ranks would destroy the play. Like many others, I’m an average to below average skilled PvP player. I come for some fun and to grind for those shiny wings. If it were possible to lose ranks, I’d still be in Amber and most likely would have quit by now.

GW2 isn’t filled with highly competitive PvP players. For me at least, the main draw is the story telling and the pve. I suspect that’s true of many Tyrians.

Dropping ranks would alienate players and would likely reduce population to the point that pvp wouldn’t really work.

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Posted by: Pakkazull.6894

Pakkazull.6894

I think the ability to drop ranks would destroy the play. Like many others, I’m an average to below average skilled PvP player. I come for some fun and to grind for those shiny wings. If it were possible to lose ranks, I’d still be in Amber and most likely would have quit by now.

GW2 isn’t filled with highly competitive PvP players. For me at least, the main draw is the story telling and the pve. I suspect that’s true of many Tyrians.

Dropping ranks would alienate players and would likely reduce population to the point that pvp wouldn’t really work.

In a system that matches players based on their position in the league, being able to drop divisions is absolutely essential for more accurate matchmaking.

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Posted by: Cyanon.1928

Cyanon.1928

If they implement division drop ill be the first to quit this game.

Its an online game a casual game. 90% of the players are not interested in making a profession of this… “league”. I don’t see the problem of grinding ranks…. good teams will get rewarded as well as casual players… It is a better game experience for everyone if you can feel you are progressing….

Pros and elitist can keep their #1 position if they want… but don’t punish the rest of the community….

At the end, this is a simple game that will pass away in a few more years… at least let most of the community enjoy every aspect of it.

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Posted by: Adaar.6489

Adaar.6489

I completely understand the negative reaction to dropping ranks. Still, it is the only way I can see to make the system a ranked ladder while not running into the MMR nightmares of this season.

Still, I understand people wanting the rewards. If the system were in place, I think making reward tracks to complete the meta in ranked or unranked could be helpful. There could be other titles and rewards for those who want the ranked ladder experience.

Season 1’s ranked system was already a reward track in disguise, so why not implement more reward tracks for more casual PvP players.