@Ohoni
You shouldn’t generalise that much dude. I don’t know you, you don’t know me, you don’t know how i play. Don’t make easy assumptions. This happens too much in this forum, really :/
And if you want to blame the “system”, do it correctly. Bring statitics, numbers, some elements of proof. Your response is made of personnal opinion and no facts, it’s worth nothing, unfortunately.
And, hum… if the system was trully broken, even recognized excellent players would have lose streaks and wouldn’t climb the ladder ? Is it the case ?
Btw, i just got to sapphire o/ (20/0)
1. You are also making generalisations
2. The proof is in the anecdotal experience of players providing evidence here and other places, circumstantial yes but its adding up to an issue.
3. Your final statement shows ignorance of how this system is working, excellent players are being matched up with excellent players and are being matched against significantly worse players just by being the bulk of the playerbase.
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What I’m finding very odd is that I’m stuck in a tier. I get 1 pip away and lose the whole tier. I get 1 pip away and lose the whole tier. I get 1 pip away and lose the whole tier. It’s just keeps cycling like this all day long.
Divsions arent meant as a journey from start to finish. Its meant as a way to reach the division where u belong and get stuck there, untill you improve that is.
Yea people who are lucky enough to get teamed up with experienced players and vs teams of new players every match are extremely happy and easily say just learn to play even though most of us have been playing this for 3 years and use meta builds no way we can win with a full team of new players against a full team of high ranked experienced players . If u get on a losing streak cuz of ur horrible team matchups there’s no way you will ever win again this pvp has become a joke….
This is pretty much how every match goes these days
This is my screen every time I manage to get to 4 pips. There’s gotta be a game out there with a full staff of developers that are better at balance.
If you find one let me know I need a new game one that’s actually a little bit fair and therefore fun to play kinda like the original guild wars I loved the pvp in that game will allways be my favorite…
Yea people who are lucky enough to get teamed up with experienced players and vs teams of new players every match are extremely happy and easily say just learn to play even though most of us have been playing this for 3 years and use meta builds no way we can win with a full team of new players against a full team of high ranked experienced players . If u get on a losing streak cuz of ur horrible team matchups there’s no way you will ever win again this pvp has become a joke….
Winning one or two in a row is randomly getting on a team with good/excellent players. Winning 15 in a row means your team is obviously consistently far better than the other team. The only constant in all 15 games is you, so obviously you are a good player.
Losing 2 or 3 games is randomly getting a bad team. Losing 15 games means your team is consistently much worse than the other team. The only constant in those 15 games is you, so clearly you are bad. We’ve had this conversation before though, and you’ve denied the obvious logic of it so I doubt this will get anywhere.
Suffice to say, blaming your record on anyone but yourself is nothing but self-delusion that will result in you never getting better. Own up to your bad play and figure out how to fix it, don’t go complaining on the forums about how the matchmaking system is making you lose. Trying to claim that people who are winning are being carried by the system is just ridiculous and immature. People that win consistently are clearly better than those who don’t, that’s simply how it works. Deal with it.
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This. This is pure logic, there is absolutely nothing to argue against. Ty sir. You said in words what I couldn’t formulate.
Floored logic. You get placed with people around your MMR. If you get partied up with people at the lower end of your MMR range your chances of winning are lower. This in turn lowers your MMR making it harder to pull your self back.
Now add that you can come up against any team in a 7 pip range(so I’m told) regardless of MMR you see what moat people are seeing. Landslide victory’s. I’ve had 2-3 game’s that where to the wire fun game’s. The rest have been stomping wins, or stomping losses. The match system is not balanced at all. If it where every game would be a close won or lost game, and people would probably not complain as much.
As it stand most of the player base are just fodder to ANets chosen ESports teams/players. If they want to cultivate more “Elite” players they need to do it in a way that dose not annoy the players who do not care about ESports, and just want to PvP for fun.
New players should never start with good MMR. If you are new it’s impossible that you are skilled so How can you say its based on equal skill.
Simply put if you are new or bad you should just simply not be allowed to progress. I am sorry but that seems fair in reality.
you are not going to put a half blind grandma in a racecar in a professional race just because she has no tickets because the fastest she ever drives is 20 and to the grocery store.
Thats essentially what anet is doing. Look this grandma has low insurance and no violations she must be skilled. NO..
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warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Mactchmaking is better this season compared to last season.
I managed to get to diamond last season (3 more wins til legendary before season 1 ended)
This season, I got into Sapphire just now. I can get that legendary soon.
You get placed on pugs with your current MMR.
Whereas before, high MMR people carry’s other low MMR people and vice versa like low skilled players pulls the high skilled players MMR down.
If you have bad/low/average MMR, then you’ll get bad/low/average MMR pugs.
If you have average MMR, you’ll get placed with new players too since they automatically have average MMR from the start.
If you have good MMR then you’ll be paired with good MMR pugs.
Low skilled players will likely get stucked while high skilled players climbs the ladder.
It shoud be like that. This is the new matchmaking system, and it is better.
You can also wait for the league to settle down by waiting other people progress so you can get a better matchup.
So please stop the salt. Play the game well.
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Divsions arent meant as a journey from start to finish. Its meant as a way to reach the division where u belong and get stuck there, untill you improve that is.
Guess u got to where u belong.
Why does it coincidentally seem to be more often people who got the glide-path to upper tiers that say things like that, rather than people stuck in amber? You’d almost think that these people feel they are better and more deserving of being in the higher ranks than those who are being rogered by the matchmaking system.
If you have bad/low/average MMR, then you’ll get bad/low/average MMR pugs.
If you have average MMR, you’ll get placed with new players too since they automatically have average MMR from the start.
If you have good MMR then you’ll be paired with good MMR pugs.
Low skilled players will likely get stucked while high skilled players climbs the ladder.
It shoud be like that. This is the new matchmaking system, and it is better.
Nope. You had it right until that second paragraph there. Yeah, high MMR players get grouped together, but then you go on to assume that high/low MMR somehow relates to high/low player skill. MMR is defined by match wins, not personal skill, so a player with high MMR is not more skilled than a player with low MMR, he’s just ended up on teams that have a higher average player skill, and therefore win more games. If a bad player ends up on a few high MMR teams, his own MMR will rise well above a more skilled player who ended up on some low MMR teams, and the more each play, the more this gulf will widen. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, regardless of their own merits.
Ok, I lost a game ! after 30 wins ! So… Couldnt get to rubis without losing this 31th win would have been the one to get me to rubis, so rude.
That’s pretty sad. It takes a real lack of personal skill to lose a game when you’re on ANet;’s blessed glidepath.
“If you spent as much time working on [some task] as
you spend complaining about it on the forums, you’d be
done by now.”
Its a for a big part since anet rates new players as average LOL. So if youre an average player youre forced to play with ppl who just learned that uc a dodge / weaponswap
What I’m finding very odd is that I’m stuck in a tier. I get 1 pip away and lose the whole tier. I get 1 pip away and lose the whole tier. I get 1 pip away and lose the whole tier. It’s just keeps cycling like this all day long.
Sounds like roughly a 50% winrate, which would be expected if you’ve arrived at a tier reflecting your average skill level.
This would be true if it was only depended on you solely but it isn’t. Teammates are still an issue in the higher divisions but you cant lose divisions or tiers in some divisions. You get stuck in the bottom of a tier or division you cant drop from. So again even then mmr death cycle can continue. Anet needs to just stop making party’s for players and stick to matchups.
If you are a veteran player like me with thousands of game play count, your win ratio is %50 between %55 because avaragely it get this over time.
and like the guys here said earlier, new players to pvp assumed avarage mmr, which leads me to play with them almost all the time.
Its the root of my loosing streaks. and I believe MMR Reset before season start is mandatory at this point.
I seem to make up my whole team MMR some games, or at least it feels like it.
One of those games, a thief managed to down 2 allies, so I rez and go to run away, they downed again, so I rez and ran off because another ally (4 on point vs thief) came along and those 3 got wiped to a single thief and abused me about not helping more on point… Playing a Druid, my pet killed that said thief… MY PET KILLED THE THIEF THAT 3 PEOPLE COULDN’T EVEN KILL.
Nothing but win streaks since I posted this, I ended up being on the winning team and I feel sorry for the players I trampled along the way. (one of those games we farmed them at rally point) 10 points for fair match making lol
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Give it up many posts and threads are made on this subject on the forums about this. You have two sides, the ones who are happy getting feed by Anet and getting a free pass to the higher division with little to no resistance regardless of skill, and the other side very unhappy getting fed to these teams regardless on player skill. So ofc you will end up either wanted a fairer shot or don’t want the system to change because of the free ride it’s given you.
The only thing one can do as a player to show Anet this will not be tolerated is just not play pvp at all till Anet gets a clue and puts hopefully a better system in place. As long as people who are being brutally victimized by this system keeps the “Trust Fund Babies” well fed and advancing then the system no matter how wrong this system is, it will be considered as a huge success and will continued to be implemented.
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But at least I admit it!
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I just sumbitted a bug report in game just to take some developer’s attention to this issue.
I had enough seriously. I have played all day long today and I lost 9/10 games in average. Zero progress. I only get decent enemy players and weak teammates and this never changes.
Right now I am thinking to quit this game as a 3 year pvp player. I can not take this anymore seriously.
How can you explain this?
Here is my today’s ranked match history.
Im sick and tired honestly. Just check the big gap score on them. And Im playing meta only. Got 2k necro plays and 1k engi.
Now after thinking about it for a day on the weekend, I noticed another fatal flaw about their system. The speed of which the higher skilled players move up is not the same. This is due to playtime and other things to do in the game. This system works perfectly assuming everyone has the same playtime which is not the case. Due to higher MMR players leaving at different times, lopsided stomps happen for longer period of time and pretty much makes this thing impossible to balance out over a reasonable period of time.
I just sumbitted a bug report in game just to take some developer’s attention to this issue.
I had enough seriously. I have played all day long today and I lost 9/10 games in average. Zero progress. I only get decent enemy players and weak teammates and this never changes.
Right now I am thinking to quit this game as a 3 year pvp player. I can not take this anymore seriously.
How can you explain this?
Here is my today’s ranked match history.
Im sick and tired honestly. Just check the big gap score on them. And Im playing meta only. Got 2k necro plays and 1k engi.
Give it up many posts and threads are made on this subject on the forums about this. You have two sides, the ones who are happy getting feed by Anet and getting a free pass to the higher division with little to no resistance regardless of skill, and the other side very unhappy getting fed to these teams regardless on player skill. So ofc you will end up either wanted a fairer shot or don’t want the system to change because of the free ride it’s given you.
The only thing one can do as a player to show Anet this will not be tolerated is just not play pvp at all till Anet gets a clue and puts hopefully a better system in place. As long as people who are being brutally victimized by this system keeps the “Trust Fund Babies” well fed and advancing then the system no matter how wrong this system is, it will be considered as a huge success and will continued to be implemented.
Couldn’t have said it better, as some one who’s played ranked pvp for 3 years now ive finally quit it, no point anymore. Lets see how those at the top who got there for free feel when they have 1 hour wait times just to get a match
Blackdagger did you take a break for a few weeks or a month right before the season started?
I did and like you I am a pvp vet and am getting matched with brand new players. I may not be legendary, but I am certainly above these team mates I see over and over.
My theory is they implemented the MMR decay. Take a break right before season starts, your rating is reset, and you get put in with the noob teams.
Obviously we’re never going to be able to bring our MMR back up facing any team with noobs as team mates as normally MMR is based off even matches… fail system…
I doubt that’s true, the only spvp I did between this season and last was daily servers for dailies. I got to sapphire with only a single lost and that was when my team of 5 solo qs were matched up against a team of 4 premade (plus one clear scrub) of people I know for a fact were diamonds and legendaries last season. And that game was really close. The majority of my matches have been victories with 500 vs <150, there was even one game where it was 18 vs 500
Are you saying there was decay between seasons? How could they have decay when mmr wasn’t even changeable in unranked. And yes I didn’t play as much between seasons but I not sure mmr had decay in between either. I could be wrong though.
Are you saying there was decay between seasons? How could they have decay when mmr wasn’t even changeable in unranked. And yes I didn’t play as much between seasons but I not sure mmr had decay in between either. I could be wrong though.
MMR does decay between seasons. Unranked and ranked MMR are separate, so when you take a month off of ranked (or unranked), your MMR will go down.
SO your saying because I didnt do much unranked my ranked mmr even though ranked wasn’t available decayed anyway?
The decay of MMR is separate between ranked and unranked. If you take a break from unranked, your unranked MMR decays. If you take a break from ranked, your rank MMR decays. So, when ranked is unavailable, your ranked MMR decays, even if you are playing unranked in the off-season. Everyone’s MMR decays in the off-season.
Are you saying there was decay between seasons? How could they have decay when mmr wasn’t even changeable in unranked. And yes I didn’t play as much between seasons but I not sure mmr had decay in between either. I could be wrong though.
this 31th win would have been the one to get me to rubis, so rude.
