Ranked should have solo-queue and team-queue
I agree, the ability to play competitively with your friends out side of 3 times a day would be nice. I like the tournaments, but normal ranked play would be so much better if you could choose who to play the matches with.
We had that situation long ago and it was good. ANET decided to remove solo queue. I believe this was because team queue was very long.
ANET’s solution was to set the solos against the teams. I for one, think that was a bad choice.
Mesmerising Girl
We had that situation long ago and it was good. ANET decided to remove solo queue. I believe this was because team queue was very long.
ANET’s solution was to set the solos against the teams. I for one, think that was a bad choice.
I agree I think it was a bad choice to remove options.
I remember those days, and there were more issues related to pvp that were causing high queue times.
Insufficient reward structure, limited ranked rewards, limited in-game marketing towards spvp; all of these things caused high queue times on both brackets.
I think it’s also important to note that in an mmo, and team based game especially; we should be providing tools for people to make friends and play together..
My friend list was booming with life when we were able to queue as five, and we had an absolute blast. Everyone I know played more when we could enjoy the game together.
Now though? We had to tell a friend last night that we couldn’t play with them because ranked 5v5 only allows solo or duo only…..
He ended up logging off instead of playing..
Why would a team based game have a system in place that actively forces players to not play together?
Totally agree with op!!! solo for the players that dont have time to make teams up, and team cue should consist of 2 man, 3 man & 5 man options only. NO 4 man teams if u can spend the time to get 4 people 1 extra person should not be hard to get to make 5 man teams. That covers all aspects of Solo & Team based options.
Totally agree with op!!! solo for the players that dont have time to make teams up, and team cue should consist of 2 man, 3 man & 5 man options only. NO 4 man teams if u can spend the time to get 4 people 1 extra person should not be hard to get to make 5 man teams. That covers all aspects of Solo & Team based options.
Great point, I’ll fix the original post to specific 2, 3, 5 to be more precise.
That’s what I get for making a forum post after lunch with no caffeine :P
I think it’s also important to note that in an mmo, and team based game especially; we should be providing tools for people to make friends and play together..
My friend list was booming with life when we were able to queue as five, and we had an absolute blast. Everyone I know played more when we could enjoy the game together.
Now though? We had to tell a friend last night that we couldn’t play with them because ranked 5v5 only allows solo or duo only…..
He ended up logging off instead of playing..Why would a team based game have a system in place that actively forces players to not play together?
Except that this game really isn’t team based for one thing.
Social? Having required teams introduces the schoolyard politics of getting into a team. It excludes more players than it includes and is therefore a net negative for the game.
The team based players need to develop skills to deal with a dynamic situation and the lack of friends carrying.
Mesmerising Girl
I think it’s also important to note that in an mmo, and team based game especially; we should be providing tools for people to make friends and play together..
My friend list was booming with life when we were able to queue as five, and we had an absolute blast. Everyone I know played more when we could enjoy the game together.
Now though? We had to tell a friend last night that we couldn’t play with them because ranked 5v5 only allows solo or duo only…..
He ended up logging off instead of playing..Why would a team based game have a system in place that actively forces players to not play together?
Except that this game really isn’t team based for one thing.
Social? Having required teams introduces the schoolyard politics of getting into a team. It excludes more players than it includes and is therefore a net negative for the game.
The team based players need to develop skills to deal with a dynamic situation and the lack of friends carrying.
This game is absolutely team based. It’s 5v5 rated pvp….
It’s as much team based as any wow arena, and league/dota/hots moba, or csgo match.
Social? Schoolyard politics? Stop trying to police other people.
Who other people decide to play with is literally no one else’s business. I don’t tell you who you can and cannot play with.
I still have the ability to actively avoid toxic players, that’s still exclusionary.. Also no relevancy of my inability to play with more people/friends.
A large portion of the playerbase don’t have a “lack of friends”. That’s the problem, we have friends and we want to play with them.
Except that this game really isn’t team based for one thing.
Social? Having required teams introduces the schoolyard politics of getting into a team. It excludes more players than it includes and is therefore a net negative for the game.
The team based players need to develop skills to deal with a dynamic situation and the lack of friends carrying.
How is a 5v5 not team based?
How is playing a game with other people not a social interaction?
How does having a team queue and a solo queue exclude anyone?
In no way, shape, or form does having a random group of 5 players slapped together and 1 min to look over builds and “deal with a dynamic situation” more fun than having a team that you practice with and learn to play well with.
Except that this game really isn’t team based for one thing.
Social? Having required teams introduces the schoolyard politics of getting into a team. It excludes more players than it includes and is therefore a net negative for the game.
The team based players need to develop skills to deal with a dynamic situation and the lack of friends carrying.
How is a 5v5 not team based?
How is playing a game with other people not a social interaction?
How does having a team queue and a solo queue exclude anyone?
In no way, shape, or form does having a random group of 5 players slapped together and 1 min to look over builds and “deal with a dynamic situation” more fun than having a team that you practice with and learn to play well with.
Except that that team “you practice with and play well with” is primarily set against solo players. That is not competition, it is exploitation. It is not fun for either side and certainly does not promote improving skills. If anything, it promotes complacency and a loss of skill.
You are more or less asking for a organized sports team to go down to the sandlot and trample whoever happens to be there.
“Us against them” is not social interaction. It is exclusion.
5v5 does have teams, yes. It is a fallacy to extend that to organized and premade teams.
The simple reality is that there are not enough people to support a team queue and a solo queue, which is why ANET merged them to begin with. Ergo, to have a team only queue, you’d have to close solo queue.
Mesmerising Girl
Except that this game really isn’t team based for one thing.
Social? Having required teams introduces the schoolyard politics of getting into a team. It excludes more players than it includes and is therefore a net negative for the game.
The team based players need to develop skills to deal with a dynamic situation and the lack of friends carrying.
How is a 5v5 not team based?
How is playing a game with other people not a social interaction?
How does having a team queue and a solo queue exclude anyone?
In no way, shape, or form does having a random group of 5 players slapped together and 1 min to look over builds and “deal with a dynamic situation” more fun than having a team that you practice with and learn to play well with.
Except that that team “you practice with and play well with” is primarily set against solo players. That is not competition, it is exploitation. It is not fun for either side and certainly does not promote improving skills. If anything, it promotes complacency and a loss of skill.
You are more or less asking for a organized sports team to go down to the sandlot and trample whoever happens to be there.
“Us against them” is not social interaction. It is exclusion.
5v5 does have teams, yes. It is a fallacy to extend that to organized and premade teams.
The simple reality is that there are not enough people to support a team queue and a solo queue, which is why ANET merged them to begin with. Ergo, to have a team only queue, you’d have to close solo queue.
You’re actively avoiding reading the simple sentence:
“We want to add team queue”
We’re not asking to mix solo queues and team queues…………………………………………..
You personally will not even be affected by this at all.
If today you enjoy solo queuing for spvp, and we get a team queue tomorrow. Nothing about your experience with the game will change.
Except that that team “you practice with and play well with” is primarily set against solo players. That is not competition, it is exploitation. It is not fun for either side and certainly does not promote improving skills. If anything, it promotes complacency and a loss of skill.
You are more or less asking for a organized sports team to go down to the sandlot and trample whoever happens to be there.
“Us against them” is not social interaction. It is exclusion.
5v5 does have teams, yes. It is a fallacy to extend that to organized and premade teams.
The simple reality is that there are not enough people to support a team queue and a solo queue, which is why ANET merged them to begin with. Ergo, to have a team only queue, you’d have to close solo queue.
This post explicitly states that team and solo queue should be separate, so no it’s not exploitation. No is asking for “organized sports team to go down to the sandlot and trample whoever happens to be there”. I don’t want to fight unorganized teams who don’t care how or what their teammates are doing.
If the split of solo and team queue would kill solo queue, why is it that all the teams must now disperse and be forced into solo queue? Why is that okay? If so many people would leave for team queue that solo queue would dry up, perhaps that is a sign that most people would enjoy team queue more.
I honestly don’t know what it is you have against team queue. I assume you have people you play this game with and would enjoy playing pvp with. Correct?
We already have automated tournament.
Why is this still a topic?
We already have automated tournament.
Why is this still a topic?
Because playing with friends in a competitive environment only 3 times a day at designated times is extremely limiting.
We already have automated tournament.
Why is this still a topic?
Automated tournament != ranked queue.
Why should my only option to play with my friends in any form of competitive pvp be scheduled at specific times/days that none of the players can control?
We already have automated tournament.
Why is this still a topic?
Automated tournament != ranked queue.
Why should my only option to play with my friends in any form of competitive pvp be scheduled at specific times/days that none of the players can control?
Well, you should have known the answer right?
They would have implemented team queue if they have a reasonable amount of teams to make the queue work. AT is their compromised solution for team players given current player population.
With so few teams, their queue will be like either 30-60min queue time, or maybe you will just be kept match against the same team. This will make their game look bad.
We already have automated tournament.
Why is this still a topic?
Automated tournament != ranked queue.
Why should my only option to play with my friends in any form of competitive pvp be scheduled at specific times/days that none of the players can control?
Well, you should have known the answer right?
They would have implemented team queue if they have a reasonable amount of teams to make the queue work. AT is their compromised solution for team players given current player population.
With so few teams, their queue will be like either 30-60min queue time, or maybe you will just be kept match against the same team. This will make their game look bad.
As I stated earlier in this thread.
Why do you care about my queue times?
If you don’t want to do it then don’t?
I don’t care if I have a longer queue time, and only ANet would know the average anyway. Don’t waste our time speculating.
You know what makes the game look bad? The inability to queue as a team in a team based game.
As anecdotal as it is; I’ve already had friends quit because solo/duo queue for ranked isn’t enough.
Not to mention there are MANY other factors that played a role into the solo/duo/group queues.
Back when we originally had group queues, there was literally NO reward structure in spvp. There wasn’t purpose or anything to achieve or obtain.
That had a much larger effect on spvp population than anything.
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We already have automated tournament.
Why is this still a topic?
Automated tournament != ranked queue.
Why should my only option to play with my friends in any form of competitive pvp be scheduled at specific times/days that none of the players can control?
Well, you should have known the answer right?
They would have implemented team queue if they have a reasonable amount of teams to make the queue work. AT is their compromised solution for team players given current player population.
With so few teams, their queue will be like either 30-60min queue time, or maybe you will just be kept match against the same team. This will make their game look bad.
As I stated earlier in this thread.
Why do you care about my queue times?
If you don’t want to do it then don’t?I don’t care if I have a longer queue time, and only ANet would know the average anyway. Don’t waste our time speculating.
You know what makes the game look bad? The inability to queue as a team in a team based game.
As anecdotal as it is; I’ve already had friends quit because solo/duo queue for ranked isn’t enough.Not to mention there are MANY other factors that played a role into the solo/duo/group queues.
Back when we originally had group queues, there was literally NO reward structure in spvp. There wasn’t purpose or anything to achieve or obtain.
That had a much larger effect on spvp population than anything.
I am just telling you the hard truth. No need to argue with me.
Sorry that your best bet is to quit the game with your friends. The situation of small player base is not likely to change.
We already have automated tournament.
Why is this still a topic?
Automated tournament != ranked queue.
Why should my only option to play with my friends in any form of competitive pvp be scheduled at specific times/days that none of the players can control?
Well, you should have known the answer right?
They would have implemented team queue if they have a reasonable amount of teams to make the queue work. AT is their compromised solution for team players given current player population.
With so few teams, their queue will be like either 30-60min queue time, or maybe you will just be kept match against the same team. This will make their game look bad.
As I stated earlier in this thread.
Why do you care about my queue times?
If you don’t want to do it then don’t?I don’t care if I have a longer queue time, and only ANet would know the average anyway. Don’t waste our time speculating.
You know what makes the game look bad? The inability to queue as a team in a team based game.
As anecdotal as it is; I’ve already had friends quit because solo/duo queue for ranked isn’t enough.Not to mention there are MANY other factors that played a role into the solo/duo/group queues.
Back when we originally had group queues, there was literally NO reward structure in spvp. There wasn’t purpose or anything to achieve or obtain.
That had a much larger effect on spvp population than anything.I am just telling you the hard truth. No need to argue with me.
Sorry that your best bet is to quit the game with your friends. The situation of small player base is not likely to change.
The situation of a small player-base will only get worse with an attitude like yours.
You are not telling any truths, you have merely exaggerated and speculated queue times from a dataset you don’t have access to, or intimate knowledge of.
To re-iterate.. again.
My proposal of adding a group queue is separate from solo queue. You will still be able to continue your day/week/month/year all the same.
Why are you so concerned with telling me who I can play with?
I am just telling you the hard truth. No need to argue with me.
Sorry that your best bet is to quit the game with your friends. The situation of small player base is not likely to change.
Would love to see player counts and queue times to support those “hard truths”. BTW telling people to quit the game is probably against the ToS, and is honestly why you will always be in solo queue and not team queue.
I would love for this to happen. While sPvP can be fun, I really like playing competitively with my friends. Just like some others have said there are tournaments, but having to get your team together at an exact time and date to do it can be troublesome.
I honestly don’t think the que times would be that long either. We constantly play other 5 man teams in unranked, so there are plenty out there to do it.
reason why there r no team que is because ur gonna get 5 top pro player queing up and farm the other team, just look at the past automated tournaments, ur telling me waiting 15 to 30 min for a team que and just to get farm is fun
reason why there r no team que is because ur gonna get 5 top pro player queing up and farm the other team, just look at the past automated tournaments, ur telling me waiting 15 to 30 min for a team que and just to get farm is fun
No one who has commented on this thread has that the data to say how long queues would be.
I am sure that there will be more than 2 teams in the queue, and the ladder system would still be in place, so you wont be just playing the all time best team every game.
reason why there r no team que is because ur gonna get 5 top pro player queing up and farm the other team, just look at the past automated tournaments, ur telling me waiting 15 to 30 min for a team que and just to get farm is fun
First of all, you have no clue how long queue times would be. Unless you happen to be an anet dev?
Secondly, the match making system would prevent a legendary top team from fighting a bunch of people in copper league; that’s how the system is designed. You won’t have to worry about that the same way you don’t fight them now…
Thirdly, I will state again: If the queue times are longer I will happily wait.
It’s worth me and my guild to wait longer if it means we can play together. The system right now actively keeps friends from playing together..
Leaving it the way it is now will ruin what is left of this pvp community and prevent it from ever growing again.
I’m all for this proposal. I played hundreds of games throughout season 1-4 with 2-3 of my friends (we barely ever queued as a full 5) and it was a blast. There were nights we won a ton and there were nights we lost a ton. My win ratio during seasons from back then wasn’t any higher or lower than it is now, it was actually slightly lower. So this whole “5 man vs solo q” thing is generally bunk.
Anyway, season 5 rolled around and the community voted to axe mixed queue and I pretty much stopped playing pvp with my pvp friends. I hate solo/duo. It’s awful. It’s not fun. I tried it but I pretty much gave up on ranked since. Sucks really. ATs aren’t the answer either, as they’re limiting and farmed by top tier players. Since I don’t have a solid group anymore due to the loss of Mixed Queue, ATs are incredibly hit or miss and usually end up in a harsh loss 1-2 games in. This is probably the case for most players that aren’t top 1%.
Bring back solo/mixed queue please. I miss the ability to queue with my friends.
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We already have automated tournament.
Why is this still a topic?
Automated tournament != ranked queue.
Why should my only option to play with my friends in any form of competitive pvp be scheduled at specific times/days that none of the players can control?
Well, you should have known the answer right?
They would have implemented team queue if they have a reasonable amount of teams to make the queue work. AT is their compromised solution for team players given current player population.
With so few teams, their queue will be like either 30-60min queue time, or maybe you will just be kept match against the same team. This will make their game look bad.
As I stated earlier in this thread.
Why do you care about my queue times?
If you don’t want to do it then don’t?I don’t care if I have a longer queue time, and only ANet would know the average anyway. Don’t waste our time speculating.
You know what makes the game look bad? The inability to queue as a team in a team based game.
As anecdotal as it is; I’ve already had friends quit because solo/duo queue for ranked isn’t enough.Not to mention there are MANY other factors that played a role into the solo/duo/group queues.
Back when we originally had group queues, there was literally NO reward structure in spvp. There wasn’t purpose or anything to achieve or obtain.
That had a much larger effect on spvp population than anything.I am just telling you the hard truth. No need to argue with me.
Sorry that your best bet is to quit the game with your friends. The situation of small player base is not likely to change.
The situation of a small player-base will only get worse with an attitude like yours.
You are not telling any truths, you have merely exaggerated and speculated queue times from a dataset you don’t have access to, or intimate knowledge of.
To re-iterate.. again.
My proposal of adding a group queue is separate from solo queue. You will still be able to continue your day/week/month/year all the same.Why are you so concerned with telling me who I can play with?
You’re missing the point. We’ve seen by experience that the population won’t support solo and team queue separately. Ergo, bringing back a team queue would mean destroying solo queue and with it, most of the PvP.
Mesmerising Girl
They added in automated tournaments for exactly this reason:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Automated_Tournaments
You WONT find mlg 5 stacks playing ranked 24/7. AT’s are much more sane than a 5 man leaderboard, which would be more about farming than anything.
Most people used to solo into Team Arena just fine…
To the people thinking AT is a suitable replacement for organized 5man play…At best you can play 1-2 a day or none. Every 8 hours doesn’t give much flexibility for people with tight schedules. And where are people meant to practice for this and build teams? Unranked while everyone else is pushing ranked??
Josre
Zulu Ox Tactics [zulu]
Zulu Ox Tactics [zulu]
I completely agree.
SoloQ don’t play the same as TeamQ. Since the change, spvp guild are dying unless for the elite one that exist solely to find a duoq partner in the platinum range.
The spvp community growing come from TeamQ with competitive rewards and AG style tournament that Anet stop sponsoring.
Dal Aï Lhama (Tempest), Dal Lahu Akbar (DH), Lord Dhal of Dharma (Scrapper) 12k+ spvp games.
Former Team Captain of ggwp (ESL weekly), GLHF (AG), MIST[CORE] spvp alliance guild.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/
Former Team Captain of ggwp (ESL weekly), GLHF (AG), MIST[CORE] spvp alliance guild.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/
They added in automated tournaments for exactly this reason:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Automated_Tournaments
You WONT find mlg 5 stacks playing ranked 24/7. AT’s are much more sane than a 5 man leaderboard, which would be more about farming than anything.
I am sorry to disagree here.
3 AT a day is not enough to sustain 5 man teams. AT in 2012 where constant, all time… you could Q an AT at any time of the day.
What 5 man and spvp guild need is a mean to make competitive play with a full team.
Like some said, back in the day, you could SOLOQ in a team Q setting. Many did this even if the SOLO rank Q was up and running, since both gameplay are different.
I hope with the next EXPAC and population URGE, that Anet put back SOLO rank Q and Team Rank Q for all years. Season lf 2 month is not enough to stabilize MMR.
Dal Aï Lhama (Tempest), Dal Lahu Akbar (DH), Lord Dhal of Dharma (Scrapper) 12k+ spvp games.
Former Team Captain of ggwp (ESL weekly), GLHF (AG), MIST[CORE] spvp alliance guild.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/
Former Team Captain of ggwp (ESL weekly), GLHF (AG), MIST[CORE] spvp alliance guild.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/
Most people used to solo into Team Arena just fine…
To the people thinking AT is a suitable replacement for organized 5man play…At best you can play 1-2 a day or none. Every 8 hours doesn’t give much flexibility for people with tight schedules. And where are people meant to practice for this and build teams? Unranked while everyone else is pushing ranked??
+100
It’s mindblowing how some people are trying to argue against having a team q because “just play in ATs”.
So they are saying that our only option to play with 4 other of our friends in a team based game is to play once or twice a day at most while being on a strict schedule? lol
k.
DON’T for the love of god, mix solo cue and team cue again keep them seperate! like the op originally posted! Seperate Team Ladder and Serperate Solo Ladder!! Team ladder consists of 2 man, 3 man, 5 man options. Solo cue is just that! SOLO…. if people want to wait for hours on end to do team cue let them, its upto them what they do with thier time, also i would like to add that AT’s were added for top tier spvp players to play in higher rated games. not randoms forming teams to get shinys even though this is whats happening
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DON’T for the love of god, mix solo cue and team cue again keep them seperate! like the op originally posted! Seperate Team Ladder and Serperate Solo Ladder!! Team ladder consists of 2 man, 3 man, 5 man options. Solo cue is just that! SOLO…. if people want to wait for hours on end to do team cue let them, its upto them what they do with thier time, also i would like to add that AT’s were added for top tier spvp players to play in higher rated games. not randoms forming teams to get shinys even though this is whats happening
Yeah! but with the new loosy match-making, team Q will never wait for hours.
Btw, having a GUILD Q earning GUILD LEADERBOARD position, with some max on the number of players, like 25. Would help tons to bring back a competitive community alive.
Dal Aï Lhama (Tempest), Dal Lahu Akbar (DH), Lord Dhal of Dharma (Scrapper) 12k+ spvp games.
Former Team Captain of ggwp (ESL weekly), GLHF (AG), MIST[CORE] spvp alliance guild.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/
Former Team Captain of ggwp (ESL weekly), GLHF (AG), MIST[CORE] spvp alliance guild.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/