Guild Wars 2

In a recent ranked match our team consisted of 3 reapers, 1 druid and 1 thief. The druid wanted us to switch because we had too many “no skill reapers” on our team. I have switched numerous times this season if I felt the group comp needed to be tweaked, but after his comment nobody switched. We went on to win a close match, thanks to the 3 no skill reapers. The druid brought nothing to the table and spent most of the match complaining in chat. Towards the end of the match I thanked him for basically doing nothing ( he was dead most of the time) and asked him how it felt to be carried to victory by 3 no skill reapers. He had no reply. I have to mention that the thief held his own and certainly helped our team.

Why are reapers considered a no skill profession?

drcraig.9403:

Why are reapers considered a no skill profession?

It’s not that they’re “no skill”, but they undoubtedly have a high skill-floor compared to other classes.

Thieves, Engis, Guardian each have a low skill floor entry to be “viable” as a class but a high skill cap in higher leagues.
I’ve seen Engi’s dominate a 1v2 while other Engi’s struggle with a class like Guard (should never happen)

I’ve seen Guardians die from focus bursts while others know how to survive while pushing hige aoe cc & bursts

Same goes for Necro’s “spammy” playstyle. Some struggle to beat their counter class Guardian while others can very well do so, consistently.

Galandil.9641:

drcraig.9403:

Why are reapers considered a no skill profession?

It’s not that they’re “no skill”, but they undoubtedly have a high skill-floor compared to other classes.

Thanks for the reply. I see your point. I also play warrior / ranger / ele and am working on a scrapper. I would say the management for the ele takes the most effort so I see your point. I’ve heard the “no skill reaper” statement numerous times but it was usually from someone salty because I just killed them, not from a teammate.

Saiyan.1704:

Thieves, Engis, Guardian each have a low skill floor entry to be “viable” as a class but a high skill cap in higher leagues.
I’ve seen Engi’s dominate a 1v2 while other Engi’s struggle with a class like Guard (should never happen)

I’ve seen Guardians die from focus bursts while others know how to survive while pushing hige aoe cc & bursts

Same goes for Necro’s “spammy” playstyle. Some struggle to beat their counter class Guardian while others can very well do so, consistently.

Thanks for the input and I agree. I come up against every prof in spvp and always thought that “skill” was how well you played your profession against every other profession.

Reaper have very limited active defenses and survive a lot thanks to their passive defense (=HP sponge). So in a sense, they could be considered easier as they don’t rely as much on quick reflexes.

However, reapers also die easily to focus fire, and thus for a reaper to survive, good positioning and clever use of their few defenses make a big difference between life or death.

Also they have utilities which can be very strong if used at the right time (unblockable CC, boon corrupts) so a good reaper will turn the fight more easily than someone just spamming those critical skills off cooldown (like using unblockable CC to deny long revenant shield block etc.).

And in most cases in low-medium tier PvP, I would argue that games are won or lost more due to rotations than mechanical skills.

Because it is simply the most op class in the game, press 4 or 5 buttons and wins, has a 50k hp bar lasting about 20 seconds, you can play 10 conditions a couple of times, you can take enough damage and endure beating the reaper mode, you stability, chill and still turn boon in condition

Rap Tiger.1257:

Because it is simply the most op class in the game, press 4 or 5 buttons and wins, has a 50k hp bar lasting about 20 seconds, you can play 10 conditions a couple of times, you can take enough damage and endure beating the reaper mode, you stability, chill and still turn boon in condition

Basically it’s because of people like this. When someone doesn’t understand something, the easiest reaction is to hate it and fear it.

Learning new things and improving yourself is hard. Throwing insults to mask your own failings is far easier, so you’ll see many people taking this route instead of the more challenging but ultimately more rewarding one.

Rap Tiger.1257:

Because it is simply the most op class in the game, press 4 or 5 buttons and wins, has a 50k hp bar lasting about 20 seconds, you can play 10 conditions a couple of times, you can take enough damage and endure beating the reaper mode, you stability, chill and still turn boon in condition

Sorry but I totally disagree with you. I have beaten reapers 1 v1 on my power ranger build. It’s not the reapers fault you don’t know how to counter him. That’s on you. I could tell you but I’m not going to. SUFFER!

Rap Tiger.1257:

Because it is simply the most op class in the game, press 4 or 5 buttons and wins, has a 50k hp bar lasting about 20 seconds, you can play 10 conditions a couple of times, you can take enough damage and endure beating the reaper mode, you stability, chill and still turn boon in condition

Set hyperbole to SUPERMAX ~~~~~~!!!!

Fay.2357:

Rap Tiger.1257:

Because it is simply the most op class in the game, press 4 or 5 buttons and wins, has a 50k hp bar lasting about 20 seconds, you can play 10 conditions a couple of times, you can take enough damage and endure beating the reaper mode, you stability, chill and still turn boon in condition

Basically it’s because of people like this. When someone doesn’t understand something, the easiest reaction is to hate it and fear it.

Learning new things and improving yourself is hard. Throwing insults to mask your own failings is far easier, so you’ll see many people taking this route instead of the more challenging but ultimately more rewarding one.

I agree and thanks. I’m grateful though, just about everyone has offered constructive feedback to my post.

Because necro is totally broken, so it’s easy to do “something usefull”, and necros are realy easy to play since all you do is spamming your aoe, there is no difficult combo or anything like that, you’re just here spamming your aoe and waiting for the end of the game.
Obviously necro is squishy but you have a good range, and since this meta is based on conditions, you’re pretty safe.

^ lol.

People hate condis and Reapers have a very nice amount of them. And if you got a crappy team compo (i.e. no one with cleanse), you’ll be in for a bad ride. So for most people it’s much easier to say “Reapers take no skill” than actually looking at what THEY themselves are doing wrong. I can tell a pretty big difference between the good and bad Reapers. What separates them? Skill…

And also -lol. A block or evade can be worth 10k HP or more. So saying a large HP pool is op isn’t correct. Some professions have a lowish health pool but have several blocks or evades… or stealth, or heals (tempest), which can be worth as much, or more than just a large health pool (especially when getting focused).

I view reapers as a class thats very easy to play averagely on. I picked up a reaper in legendary and managed to maintain a 50% win rate, despite the fact i had less than 20 game played with it. In comparison I tried with ele and simply couldnt do it. (DH was just as easy as reaper).

People think its ‘no skill’ because it really doesnt require that much skill to become ok at it. (Spam marks aside from 4, use scepter for dmg, use warhorn on blocks, reaper form for cleave 3-5-2-4-1….)

Well thats my experience anyway.

Reaper is a very easy class to play, so easy it’s almost like playing a trap guardian.

We got a huge buff on Scepter AA, it wasn’t needed if you already knew your builds and skills but what ever, we got it.

You will find comments like “no skill” due to the simple fact that all we need to do to win a fight now is AA them to death. A skilled Necro will obviously use everything and be a lot more efficient at it, but in general the “average” skill base will be too busy focusing the Rev while the “Skill-less Necro” is standing there spamming AA and most likely not even moving.

sephiroth.4217:

Reaper is a very easy class to play, so easy it’s almost like playing a trap guardian.

We got a huge buff on Scepter AA, it wasn’t needed if you already knew your builds and skills but what ever, we got it.

You will find comments like “no skill” due to the simple fact that all we need to do to win a fight now is AA them to death. A skilled Necro will obviously use everything and be a lot more efficient at it, but in general the “average” skill base will be too busy focusing the Rev while the “Skill-less Necro” is standing there spamming AA and most likely not even moving.

I’ve never seen a Necro spamming auto attack the whole game. Good luck doing that with a good Revenant on you. Or Druid. Or in-your-face scrapper. Speaking of spamming auto attacks – longbow ranger/druid? :^) sure seems like that’s all they do, but that’s cuz longbow is annoying and you always notice when it hits you, same as Necro scepter. I agree boon corrupt is…. a lot… for an auto attack but the amount of boons and cleanse in this game is crazy.

I have been away from the game for a LONG time, I jumped back on last week ran the same reaper spec I’ve ran for ages and literally dominated everyone I came across. Players are STILL not building to counter conditions, instead they choose to scream in chat or rampage on the forums.

There was one player who started crying at me via whispers, he’d faced me in about 4 matches, I asked him how many condi-cleanses he had in his build, he said NONE. After game ONE he should have though, right if I’m going to face this condi Necro, I best run some condi-clear. Instead he chose to fight on with his same boon spam build (thanks for the easy corruptions) and instead chose to complain because he didn’t at any point, attempt to counter me and made no effort to understand why I was crushing him repeatedly. This is about 90% of the player base.

My rambling point is this, players are either too lazy or too ignorant to figure things like this out. This is what you get for playing a CASUAL game (I blame aNet as this game had SO MUCH POTENTIAL), there is no hardcore element left in GW2, no players who actually think and change builds to counter like they used too.

reaper actually gets harder to play as u go up the division, simply because people knows your skill rotations. i lost count of how many bad necro who got carried up the divisions always dying in fights due to positioning and skills rotation, i think they thought they are godlike but that was “true” at lower division but not so at higher division.

as usually, there r a lot of builds and classes that can kitten noobs easily but well, noobs are noobs.

Fay.2357:

Rap Tiger.1257:

Because it is simply the most op class in the game, press 4 or 5 buttons and wins, has a 50k hp bar lasting about 20 seconds, you can play 10 conditions a couple of times, you can take enough damage and endure beating the reaper mode, you stability, chill and still turn boon in condition

Basically it’s because of people like this. When someone doesn’t understand something, the easiest reaction is to hate it and fear it.

Learning new things and improving yourself is hard. Throwing insults to mask your own failings is far easier, so you’ll see many people taking this route instead of the more challenging but ultimately more rewarding one.

I play this game since 2012, pretty much got 12k + experience just playing PVP and I know what it was like to face necro before and today, as was also good face reaper in HOT start than to face after the nerf the other classes and buff for reaper.

If question play because several players were crying to nerf the druid healing and also lower the damage Bristleback and smokescale?

Because then they wept for nerf also Chronomancer and tempest?

Anet have to learn when to give buff and nerf. Because it’s the first time all this playing time I’ve been crying to nerf a class that really is stronger than the others.

Must love all these players turned pro overnight after trying reaper once, you wonder why we don’t have more ESL team ….

There is not a single thread where a necro player does not start insulting, belittle others…“you’re a noob, scrubs L2P”…kk we get it..

drcraig.9403:

Rap Tiger.1257:

Because it is simply the most op class in the game, press 4 or 5 buttons and wins, has a 50k hp bar lasting about 20 seconds, you can play 10 conditions a couple of times, you can take enough damage and endure beating the reaper mode, you stability, chill and still turn boon in condition

Sorry but I totally disagree with you. I have beaten reapers 1 v1 on my power ranger build. It’s not the reapers fault you don’t know how to counter him. That’s on you. I could tell you but I’m not going to. SUFFER!

If so then 70% + are suffering and complaining because they do not know how to fight 1 vs 1 against reaper, which I find strange, the better you post a video gaining pvp against a reaper now have to be someone who knows how to play the reaper and not a any because reaper noob I can kill, but a good reaper is almost impossible.

the problem of “easy play” reapers is the “necrowave” that asolate the mid low divs, players whith no tactic ideas of how to win a match only camping mid and zerking whith the other reapers (games whith 3 ,4 or 5 reapers in a team )
pros can say reaper are low mobile and blah blah but mid low games had not great team cordinations for overrotating and avoiding the zerkplay and be permafeared and permachilled dont help to try to do something agains them

and those player who climbed via the necrowave are those who cause part of the great imbalancement of mid-low play they get a lot of reapers:they win, they are the only reaper in a team: they are a 0 contributors to team

drcraig.9403:

In a recent ranked match our team consisted of 3 reapers, 1 druid and 1 thief. The druid wanted us to switch because we had too many “no skill reapers” on our team. I have switched numerous times this season if I felt the group comp needed to be tweaked, but after his comment nobody switched. We went on to win a close match, thanks to the 3 no skill reapers. The druid brought nothing to the table and spent most of the match complaining in chat. Towards the end of the match I thanked him for basically doing nothing ( he was dead most of the time) and asked him how it felt to be carried to victory by 3 no skill reapers. He had no reply. I have to mention that the thief held his own and certainly helped our team.

Why are reapers considered a no skill profession?

Imo the problem is how easy is to do damage with reaper. The difference between a pro league and a newbie reaper while doing damage is not that big compared to other classes, but rather the positioning/awareness/etc, which is usually more difficult to appreciate. Reapers have a huge learning curve, but condi bombing everyone is extremely easy.

Reaper is strong because of the kittened amounts of chill they can put out that does 600 damage a second simply by pushing a button or fearing an opponent. Top it off with boon removal and you have one of the best counters to bunker builds.

Well, reaper is kind of brain-dead easy atm. You don’t really have to actively concentrate or be aware of what you’re doing, and people have recorded videos where they were able to win matches by literally rolling their face on the keyboard upon encountering an opponent.

Not to say that their opponents were any good, but this wouldn’t even be possible on any other profession. In all relativity, reapers are far easier than any other profession in the game to perform well with, which is why you’re seeing matches with 3 of them on a team, or even 8+ in a match. It’s the go-to profession for farming easy wins.

Fay.2357:

Rap Tiger.1257:

Because it is simply the most op class in the game, press 4 or 5 buttons and wins, has a 50k hp bar lasting about 20 seconds, you can play 10 conditions a couple of times, you can take enough damage and endure beating the reaper mode, you stability, chill and still turn boon in condition

Basically it’s because of people like this. When someone doesn’t understand something, the easiest reaction is to hate it and fear it.

Learning new things and improving yourself is hard. Throwing insults to mask your own failings is far easier, so you’ll see many people taking this route instead of the more challenging but ultimately more rewarding one.

You took the words out of my mouth. Condi Reaper is quite easily countered on half the meta professions if players are equally skilled. It’s very easy to play, but 75% of the ones I see are kitten. I don’t particularly have problems against Reapers. To be fair, I have 100s of hours on Necro in WvW & Pvp, so that helps quite a lot. I do believe that Chill reapplication should be looked at maybe. The damage is fine imo. Maybe the OP’s build is hard countered by Reaper?

JDjitsu.7895:

Fay.2357:

Rap Tiger.1257:

Because it is simply the most op class in the game, press 4 or 5 buttons and wins, has a 50k hp bar lasting about 20 seconds, you can play 10 conditions a couple of times, you can take enough damage and endure beating the reaper mode, you stability, chill and still turn boon in condition

Basically it’s because of people like this. When someone doesn’t understand something, the easiest reaction is to hate it and fear it.

Learning new things and improving yourself is hard. Throwing insults to mask your own failings is far easier, so you’ll see many people taking this route instead of the more challenging but ultimately more rewarding one.

You took the words out of my mouth. Condi Reaper is quite easily countered on half the meta professions if players are equally skilled. It’s very easy to play, but 75% of the ones I see are kitten. I don’t particularly have problems against Reapers. To be fair, I have 100s of hours on Necro in WvW & Pvp, so that helps quite a lot. I do believe that Chill reapplication should be looked at maybe. The damage is fine imo. Maybe the OP’s build is hard countered by Reaper?

to be fair necro need that chill up time damage is fair necro is super slow so it need someting to get close to the other person, necro seems super strong vs boon heavy builds, but once you cc the necro and focus him = dead necro
seems like op need to play a necro to learn his weakness

Necro’s are stronger than tey have previously been. the only time they have been this overall strong was dhuumfire patch.

However they are slow…painful slow..

They have their sponge HP life force bar, but using it removes 50% of their skills and it drains even if they do nothing at all.

If you remove reaper..and therefore 70% of their chill and damage on chill, all you have left is a vanilla necro. The same vanilla necro that has been habitually kicked for the last 2 years from every high level fractal, pvp and dungeon team. Without the chill factor they have currently and the condi damage that goes with it..they simply return to what they have always been. A living story profession.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

Necro’s are stronger than tey have previously been. the only time they have been this overall strong was dhuumfire patch.

However they are slow…painful slow..

They have their sponge HP life force bar, but using it removes 50% of their skills and it drains even if they do nothing at all.

If you remove reaper..and therefore 70% of their chill and damage on chill, all you have left is a vanilla necro. The same vanilla necro that has been habitually kicked for the last 2 years from every high level fractal, pvp and dungeon team. Without the chill factor they have currently and the condi damage that goes with it..they simply return to what they have always been. A living story profession.

Necros still like to play the victim….after 4 years of doing that

Shala.8352:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVO1okVpj2Q

LMAO

Shala.8352:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVO1okVpj2Q

Wow that’s just insane … that dude won by only pressing 1.. eff necros are broken…

Shala.8352:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVO1okVpj2Q

Anet See what you made necro / reaper, a mono finger class and easy to kill any class.

Hmm… i like fighting against reapers or anything on condi builds.

Diarf.8265:

Hmm… i like fighting against reapers or anything on condi builds.

i know there’s some masochist people in the world, dont worry i wont judge you for that

MethaneGas.8357:

sephiroth.4217:

Reaper is a very easy class to play, so easy it’s almost like playing a trap guardian.

We got a huge buff on Scepter AA, it wasn’t needed if you already knew your builds and skills but what ever, we got it.

You will find comments like “no skill” due to the simple fact that all we need to do to win a fight now is AA them to death. A skilled Necro will obviously use everything and be a lot more efficient at it, but in general the “average” skill base will be too busy focusing the Rev while the “Skill-less Necro” is standing there spamming AA and most likely not even moving.

I’ve never seen a Necro spamming auto attack the whole game. Good luck doing that with a good Revenant on you. Or Druid. Or in-your-face scrapper. Speaking of spamming auto attacks – longbow ranger/druid? :^) sure seems like that’s all they do, but that’s cuz longbow is annoying and you always notice when it hits you, same as Necro scepter. I agree boon corrupt is…. a lot… for an auto attack but the amount of boons and cleanse in this game is crazy.

People are posting videos, this guy doesn’t even use offhand weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVO1okVpj2Q

sephiroth.4217:

MethaneGas.8357:

sephiroth.4217:

Reaper is a very easy class to play, so easy it’s almost like playing a trap guardian.

We got a huge buff on Scepter AA, it wasn’t needed if you already knew your builds and skills but what ever, we got it.

You will find comments like “no skill” due to the simple fact that all we need to do to win a fight now is AA them to death. A skilled Necro will obviously use everything and be a lot more efficient at it, but in general the “average” skill base will be too busy focusing the Rev while the “Skill-less Necro” is standing there spamming AA and most likely not even moving.

I’ve never seen a Necro spamming auto attack the whole game. Good luck doing that with a good Revenant on you. Or Druid. Or in-your-face scrapper. Speaking of spamming auto attacks – longbow ranger/druid? :^) sure seems like that’s all they do, but that’s cuz longbow is annoying and you always notice when it hits you, same as Necro scepter. I agree boon corrupt is…. a lot… for an auto attack but the amount of boons and cleanse in this game is crazy.

People are posting videos, this guy doesn’t even use offhand weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVO1okVpj2Q

The video is misleading. Mostly revs, bad builds,some bad players or the times he may have lost and has to use reapers shroud.

Most, if not all, of these guys would have lost to the same tactic even if scepter auto didnt corrupt boons at all. It doesnt belong on the auto but this video is propaganda at best…

Sigmoid.7082:

sephiroth.4217:

MethaneGas.8357:

sephiroth.4217:

Reaper is a very easy class to play, so easy it’s almost like playing a trap guardian.

We got a huge buff on Scepter AA, it wasn’t needed if you already knew your builds and skills but what ever, we got it.

You will find comments like “no skill” due to the simple fact that all we need to do to win a fight now is AA them to death. A skilled Necro will obviously use everything and be a lot more efficient at it, but in general the “average” skill base will be too busy focusing the Rev while the “Skill-less Necro” is standing there spamming AA and most likely not even moving.

I’ve never seen a Necro spamming auto attack the whole game. Good luck doing that with a good Revenant on you. Or Druid. Or in-your-face scrapper. Speaking of spamming auto attacks – longbow ranger/druid? :^) sure seems like that’s all they do, but that’s cuz longbow is annoying and you always notice when it hits you, same as Necro scepter. I agree boon corrupt is…. a lot… for an auto attack but the amount of boons and cleanse in this game is crazy.

People are posting videos, this guy doesn’t even use offhand weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVO1okVpj2Q

The video is misleading. Mostly revs, bad builds,some bad players or the times he may have lost and has to use reapers shroud.

Most, if not all, of these guys would have lost to the same tactic even if scepter auto didnt corrupt boons at all. It doesnt belong on the auto but this video is propaganda at best…

The video is misleading for people who don’t want to see reality.
There’s no other weapon in the game wich can win duels with just using autoattack and 3 utility, no matter the opponents build. About the skill, most of the players in the video are diamond+, so not particulary first noobs pvers found in the game.
Reaper shroud has been used against the druid, mainly because he was kiting all day letting the pet doing the dmg, against an already death revenant and thief, mainly for defence purpouse.
Arguing about how easy is reaper in the actual meta is kinda redundant in my opinion, but well as you said, is not only the autoattack alone winning those duels, is the build in general too strong (chill application, random fear procs from the rune, 15sec cd unblockable corrupt boon 1200 range, i don’t even start to arguing about reaper form, cuz in fact is the best defensive tool in the game, the equivalent of all revenant blocks/evades put togheters, while still beeing able to bring huge offensive skills)

Shala.8352:

Sigmoid.7082:

sephiroth.4217:

MethaneGas.8357:

sephiroth.4217:

Reaper is a very easy class to play, so easy it’s almost like playing a trap guardian.

We got a huge buff on Scepter AA, it wasn’t needed if you already knew your builds and skills but what ever, we got it.

You will find comments like “no skill” due to the simple fact that all we need to do to win a fight now is AA them to death. A skilled Necro will obviously use everything and be a lot more efficient at it, but in general the “average” skill base will be too busy focusing the Rev while the “Skill-less Necro” is standing there spamming AA and most likely not even moving.

I’ve never seen a Necro spamming auto attack the whole game. Good luck doing that with a good Revenant on you. Or Druid. Or in-your-face scrapper. Speaking of spamming auto attacks – longbow ranger/druid? :^) sure seems like that’s all they do, but that’s cuz longbow is annoying and you always notice when it hits you, same as Necro scepter. I agree boon corrupt is…. a lot… for an auto attack but the amount of boons and cleanse in this game is crazy.

People are posting videos, this guy doesn’t even use offhand weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVO1okVpj2Q

The video is misleading. Mostly revs, bad builds,some bad players or the times he may have lost and has to use reapers shroud.

Most, if not all, of these guys would have lost to the same tactic even if scepter auto didnt corrupt boons at all. It doesnt belong on the auto but this video is propaganda at best…

The video is misleading for people who don’t want to see reality.
There’s no other weapon in the game wich can win duels with just using autoattack and 3 utility, no matter the opponents build. About the skill, most of the players in the video are diamond+, so not particulary first noobs pvers found in the game.
Reaper shroud has been used against the druid, mainly because he was kiting all day letting the pet doing the dmg, against an already death revenant and thief, mainly for defence purpouse.
Arguing about how easy is reaper in the actual meta is kinda redundant in my opinion, but well as you said, is not only the autoattack alone winning those duels, is the build in general too strong (chill application, random fear procs from the rune, 15sec cd unblockable corrupt boon 1200 range, i don’t even start to arguing about reaper form, cuz in fact is the best defensive tool in the game, the equivalent of all revenant blocks/evades put togheters, while still beeing able to bring huge offensive skills)

Thing is though there were never any fights vs classes/builds that deal well with condi pressure and most were revs which by class design lack cleanse.
The ranger wasnt using druid and an odd build. But if he didnt use shroud he would have lost.
The mesmer was bad, being diamond this season doesnt mean all to much.
The first theif didnt use dash and the second played really strangely and honestly should have won. Literally no reason to swap weapons when he did and it caused him to lose.
Warrior….

The rune probably should be removed but corrupt boon is a direct product of boon creep. The corrupt on auto needs to leave and chill returned to pre nov 4th or its scaling changed. Oh and the mercs amulet as well.

“reaper form, cuz in fact is the best defensive tool in the game, the equivalent of all revenant blocks/evades put togheters”
This…this just isnt true.

My point is the premise of the video, cool, and its not completely wrong but it still doesn’t stop the video from being misleading.

So it’s not misleading but it’s misleading ?? Is that what your saying ?? Lmao

Shala.8352:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVO1okVpj2Q

LMAO, I just saw this. Was this an actual match sPvP match or just terrible 1v1s against people who barely knew how to play? Half of their armour looks like they literally just made a character they never played before and wore the baseline armour. I dunno about you, but when I see someone who loves their class, they actually look super shiny or distinct or… hipster.

If you want to make a point, post a video of fighting real people who actually know how to play. You could easily make the same type of video spamming 1 with a druid longbow or a trap dragonhunter against newbies. Put a cute song in the background and you got yourself a video.

MethaneGas.8357:

Shala.8352:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVO1okVpj2Q

LMAO, I just saw this. Was this an actual match sPvP match or just terrible 1v1s against people who barely knew how to play? Half of their armour looks like they literally just made a character they never played before and wore the baseline armour. I dunno about you, but when I see someone who loves their class, they actually look super shiny or distinct or… hipster.

If you want to make a point, post a video of fighting real people who actually know how to play. You could easily make the same type of video spamming 1 with a druid longbow or a trap dragonhunter against newbies. Put a cute song in the background and you got yourself a video.

The question that has to be asked is: Why can’t even a newb beat a reaper who’s only using scepter 1 spam?

You’re assuming these guys are newbs, of course.

Anyway, read the subject info. The guy doesnt overstate his case at all. In fact, he states he is a complete necro newb XD. Newb vs Newbs = balanced matchup.

Relevant notes:
- I have 0 PvP necro games. Necromancer is absolutely the easier class of the game
- Despite i gathered 5 hours of duels, wasnt easy to find people who agreed to duel me. Most of them except Imi, didnt even know i was going only to spamm scepter autoattack.
- I chosed mostly duels where i dont activate Reaper Shroud. Even if you see me only winning in this video, i’ve lost at least 50% of the duels i made (except against that thief wich i won everytime). Despite this, i think i could won much more than 50% of my duels if i activate more often Reaper Shroud.
- Some duels i had to swap Reaper Shroud, cuz i had no more defences.
- Special Thanks to my guild mates Lord and Imi who accepted to face this cancer kitten.
- Notice the weakness 100% uptime on revenants
- Notice how you dont lose scepter chain autoattack while dodging or using an utility.
- Corrupt Boon is patheticaly BROKEN.
- Don’t even try to tell me i “faced only noobs”, i didnt chose mostly of my opponents, if you think Vans is facing progamers in his video then i can say all the people i faced in this duels are better than Vans opponents.
- But well, if you think my opponents were noobs, go face them with any other class and try to kill them with just autoattack and 3 utility XD XD XD.
- Conditions are broken, and skill killing. Plz anet stop make the game around conditions.
- Also, after seen this video, i HOPE ANET REVERT THE SCEPTER BUFF THEY MADE IN THE LAST BALANCE PATCH. Plz bump up if you agree that scepter auto is totaly broken.

Ross Biddle.2367:

The question that has to be asked is: Why can’t even a newb beat a reaper who’s only using scepter 1 spam?

You’re assuming these guys are newbs, of course.

Anyway, read the subject info. The guy doesnt overstate his case at all. In fact, he states he is a complete necro newb XD. Newb vs Newbs = balanced matchup.

A noob Reaper can play that build because
a) it’s only an auto attack and nothing else.
b) the utilities are self explanatory – use corrupt boon on enemy boons, use plague signet when you have condis, use Spectral Armour as a stun break.

They seemed quite new to be honest. And noob vs. noob in a 1v1 is hardly a representation of the actual game. Not only do more experienced opponents know how to react to a Necro (using cleanse wisely, get up in the Necro’s face so he can’t use scepter 1, line of sight, interrupt heal, etc.) but in reality, in sPvP you will have more than 1 enemy attack you. You cannot kite a revenant and spam 1 on the other target while both of them are attacking you.

I am making a video with a copy of his build, but with an actual representation against skilled opponents in 1v1s and an actual 5v5 sPvP match.

MethaneGas.8357:

Ross Biddle.2367:

The question that has to be asked is: Why can’t even a newb beat a reaper who’s only using scepter 1 spam?

You’re assuming these guys are newbs, of course.

Anyway, read the subject info. The guy doesnt overstate his case at all. In fact, he states he is a complete necro newb XD. Newb vs Newbs = balanced matchup.

A noob Reaper can play that build because
a) it’s only an auto attack and nothing else.
b) the utilities are self explanatory – use corrupt boon on enemy boons, use plague signet when you have condis, use Spectral Armour as a stun break.

They seemed quite new to be honest. And noob vs. noob in a 1v1 is hardly a representation of the actual game. Not only do more experienced opponents know how to react to a Necro (using cleanse wisely, get up in the Necro’s face so he can’t use scepter 1, line of sight, interrupt heal, etc.) but in reality, in sPvP you will have more than 1 enemy attack you. You cannot kite a revenant and spam 1 on the other target while both of them are attacking you.

I am making a video with a copy of his build, but with an actual representation against skilled opponents in 1v1s and an actual 5v5 sPvP match.

When this video first started getting touted, I pointed out that the Sword/Staff Revenants were usually trying to kite the Necro. If that’s not a sign of being terrible (double melee trying to kite 900 range), I don’t know what is. Actual classes are irrelevant, in this case. Double melee cannot hope to win if they are trying to kite a ranged build.

Shala.8352:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVO1okVpj2Q

That video includes only the wins, plus mostly versus Heralds that are extremely vulnerable to boon corruption, because the easy mode boon spam. Everything that spam boons will be vulnerable to that. Anyway, the video is fun.

Video of spamming 1 and using utilities, as in the video above.

I dueled some decent players but for the 5v5s, I qued in unranked where the skill level wasn’t…. the best. At first I steam rolled through several matches and literally all it took was spamming 1. After I started facing more competent opponents (more skilled, or in a pre-made), the 1-spamming strategy was… as you’ll see.

Enjoy

I really think it’s a matter of the reaction timing aspect. I’m going for champion of every single class, so far I have 200 wins with every single class and 150 ranked wins with Guardian, Necromancer, Ranger, Elementalist, and Mesmer. I’m about 25 away from finishing thief in ranked.

What I can tell you from that experience is that the growth of player skill is very different from most classes.

With Elementalist and Engineer having a mental understanding of spacing, skill cooldown, skill combos and effects, as well as reacting to whatever is going on with you, your opponent, and team mates and changing your 20 skill chain is the difference between a novice and an expert. The hardest part of these classes is mentally grasping and reacting to multiple scenarios and conditions at once.

With Ranger (note I never ran healer druid) and Thief you will die almost instantaneously unless you have an excellent understanding of your position relative to everything else, as well as exactly how much you need to do to kill the target. These classes are hard because you need to control yourself, keep away or disengage and calculate your opponent rather than yourself.

Necromancer is very different. You don’t have 20 skills all with short or no cooldowns on top of automatic abilities from traits like ele and engi. You also don’t have even half of the mobility of a thief or ranger. What people who call Necromancer a no-skill class are referring to is the non-existent need to manage yourself and your skills. Necromancer’s natural method of play is just having better numbers, more health to survive, and more damage output through your choice of power or condi. This makes it incredibly welcome to low-tier pvp, especially minion masters who have to manage even less than a standard necromancer.

Of course actually learning how to play the class requires a very deep understanding of the fact that because you lack the options of other classes you need to have perfect management of your skill cooldowns and options, and know if you can or cannot handle something before engaging because there is no option of running.

I believe i’m stealing this from an earlier comment, however what people are complaining about is the skill floor for Necromancer being leagues higher than other classes. Meaning yes, someone who has no skill can still do pretty well by using a Necromancer because many aspects are automated for them by the game rather than conscious effort. Without understanding that if they had any skill themselves they could out-pressure that floor very quickly.

In summary, yes Necromancer requires very little skill for entry, however people complaining that it requires no skill obviously don’t have enough themselves to overcome a curve which happens to start high but have an incredibly small slope of growth.