Reasons players are unhappy with PvP
Show me a pvp game where you dont have blowout matches at all tiers of play, but especially at the lower brackets.
What youre asking for has not been done in any other pvp game, in games much larger than gw2 with much more people crying, how can you expect the gw2 team to do it?
I think its an awesome step that we got this and not the fake ranking system of before.
I actually had several great matches that were very close while playing in gold 1. These matches were great, had no idea who was going to win throughout most of the match. Also had some blowout matches, but in most of those I could plainly see where mistakes were made.
Then I had a day off work and played on a Monday morning, and noticed an insane difference. You could tell when the match started who was going to win. There was a highly noticeable skill gap between the teams. Nobody enjoys these types of matches.
So you can’t tell me that every match is going to be blowout and nothing can be done about it. That simply is not true. People simply want to stay at the rank where they have great matches. A blowout here and there is to be expected, and people know that. But entire streaks of blowouts that launch you into divisions you don’t belong due to matchmaking creating bad match-ups is what people hate. And it happens, I’ve seen the mmr of all the players in these matches, so I know for a fact these matches were stacked in favor of one team.
Thus has been the best season so far, but it clearly still needs work. You people quickly dismissing and insulting people with legitimate complaints isn’t helping the game get any better.
Monday morning on off peak ours when the player population is very low, you should have expected the horrible Matchmaking, the gamemode has a very small population while at peak hours, what did you expect during off peak?
Yes there are issues ranging from Shoe Horning Solo Queuers into a Organized team gamemode/rating system, to rewarding players on losses so some players don’t even try, and a few others. It needs some refining but that’s what happens when the system gets completely changed, repeatedly. But there is absolutely no way for the community to see that the complaints are even all valid when it comes to the Mmr Holes and so on I hear about all these huge loss streaks, some of which were proven to be false by the Devs, I have yet to see any actual win or loss streaks, majority of my matches have been win/loss/win/loss I am around a 54% win rate for this season alone, and I can say that it is possible to get where you should be as a Solo Queue with no luck from Placement matches and other excuses, yes there will always be exceptions to the rules but the way this system is designed it’s self corrects to try and accurately place and match players.
Show me a pvp game where you dont have blowout matches at all tiers of play, but especially at the lower brackets.
What youre asking for has not been done in any other pvp game, in games much larger than gw2 with much more people crying, how can you expect the gw2 team to do it?
I think its an awesome step that we got this and not the fake ranking system of before.
I actually had several great matches that were very close while playing in gold 1. These matches were great, had no idea who was going to win throughout most of the match. Also had some blowout matches, but in most of those I could plainly see where mistakes were made.
Then I had a day off work and played on a Monday morning, and noticed an insane difference. You could tell when the match started who was going to win. There was a highly noticeable skill gap between the teams. Nobody enjoys these types of matches.
So you can’t tell me that every match is going to be blowout and nothing can be done about it. That simply is not true. People simply want to stay at the rank where they have great matches. A blowout here and there is to be expected, and people know that. But entire streaks of blowouts that launch you into divisions you don’t belong due to matchmaking creating bad match-ups is what people hate. And it happens, I’ve seen the mmr of all the players in these matches, so I know for a fact these matches were stacked in favor of one team.
Thus has been the best season so far, but it clearly still needs work. You people quickly dismissing and insulting people with legitimate complaints isn’t helping the game get any better.
Monday morning on off peak ours when the player population is very low, you should have expected the horrible Matchmaking, the gamemode has a very small population while at peak hours, what did you expect during off peak?
Yes there are issues ranging from Shoe Horning Solo Queuers into a Organized team gamemode/rating system, to rewarding players on losses so some players don’t even try, and a few others. It needs some refining but that’s what happens when the system gets completely changed, repeatedly. But there is absolutely no way for the community to see that the complaints are even all valid when it comes to the Mmr Holes and so on I hear about all these huge loss streaks, some of which were proven to be false by the Devs, I have yet to see any actual win or loss streaks, majority of my matches have been win/loss/win/loss I am around a 54% win rate for this season alone, and I can say that it is possible to get where you should be as a Solo Queue with no luck from Placement matches and other excuses, yes there will always be exceptions to the rules but the way this system is designed it’s self corrects to try and accurately place and match players.
Of course I expected issues during off-peak hours. The problem is that the matchmaker did not attempt to balance out the average mmr of both teams. It instead stacks one team with a higher mmr than the other. This isn’t very noticeable when there is a large pool of players to pull from, but becomes very noticeable when there are much fewer players to pull from. This is a problem for players that can not play during peak hours, a problem that wouldn’t exist to this extent if the matchmaker did a better job at balancing the teams.
Show me a pvp game where you dont have blowout matches at all tiers of play, but especially at the lower brackets.
What youre asking for has not been done in any other pvp game, in games much larger than gw2 with much more people crying, how can you expect the gw2 team to do it?
I think its an awesome step that we got this and not the fake ranking system of before.
I actually had several great matches that were very close while playing in gold 1. These matches were great, had no idea who was going to win throughout most of the match. Also had some blowout matches, but in most of those I could plainly see where mistakes were made.
Then I had a day off work and played on a Monday morning, and noticed an insane difference. You could tell when the match started who was going to win. There was a highly noticeable skill gap between the teams. Nobody enjoys these types of matches.
So you can’t tell me that every match is going to be blowout and nothing can be done about it. That simply is not true. People simply want to stay at the rank where they have great matches. A blowout here and there is to be expected, and people know that. But entire streaks of blowouts that launch you into divisions you don’t belong due to matchmaking creating bad match-ups is what people hate. And it happens, I’ve seen the mmr of all the players in these matches, so I know for a fact these matches were stacked in favor of one team.
This has been the best season so far, but it clearly still needs work. You people quickly dismissing and insulting people with legitimate complaints isn’t helping the game get any better.
I’ve had the same experience, in the same tier. I’ve noticed weekends are rough times (weekend warriors who are getting out of placement matches in high silver or low gold)but I’m guessing this week will also be rough as new players reach rank 20 and decide to try out ranked played with this new Christmas present.
However, overall this is a great season.
The flaw of the PvP season system IS the lack of players. There just isn’t enough middle to top end (from a skill standpoint/MMR at any given time) so it bleeds into squash the green player base (doing it for the rewards) which is immensely the majority. And at that point, it’s still luck of the draw even for mid/top MMR to get a decent team because it’s not like we are all evenly playing 5 at a time to make a group.
Again, the PvP season is still a joke because fundamentally it comes down to a mix of pre-existing MMR/2-man still included in singles/no substantial personal score contribution.
By pre-existing MMR, I mean it is abhorrent that a new account with 10-11 wins (placement matches) and nothing else takes #1 on the leaderboard.
2-man premade is still way too much of a leniency compared to singles only team composition (Anet hopefully sees the math – I haven’t been in a single game this season where multiple 2-man didn’t win it in fact); it should be a singles division and a 5-man premade division (and nothing in between).
No substantial personal score inhibits personal contribution (top contribution benchmarks) to crawl out of poor rolls for team at any given time. There needs to be many more and they need to be at least half the weighting of the MMR moves. (Note, this also encourages not having class stacking which is better overall for the format)
I’m going to resist the temptation to go on a major rant about EVERYTHING that makes me unhappy with pvp right now. The No.1 thing that is frustrating me more than anything else, is AFK players.
TBH I don’t particularly what division or tier I am in. There is always room for improvement at any level. Having said that, what I can’t improve or “carry” is someone else’s lack of motivation to play.
Sometimes they fully dc, so at least you don’t lose rating. But still, I’d much rather lose rating for a hard fought but unsuccessful match, than be bashing my head against the proverbial brick wall cos my team is effectively 4v5.
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I wanted to farm some ascended armor on my alt for raids, my main climbed from 1400->1800 MMR before I stopped bothering and let it decay lol.
I actually carry low tier games by going full glass builds and killing 3-4 people at once because they’re just so bad. If you can’t do the same then maybe you’re where you deserve to be.
Pro leaguers (the really good ones) can even carry a team of 1800 MMRs because they’re that good. I don’t know any pro league player stuck in bronze because of “RNG” lmao.
It’s very well known that ANet treats their ESL members differently hence they can win only 3 out of the 10 placement if they wanted and ANet will still place them in Mid to High Plat. Can’t have their ESL members verifing what a trash dump this system is.
And the fact that it has no legit right what so ever to claim you are a bad players. Because it doesn’t rate your performance unless you was high tier’ed before because of the super soft MMR reset. It rates you for how your team did. You could be the best player with all of the top stats in a match but if your team mates lose it for you, guess what? You are still going to lose alot of rating. Thus forcing you to play with even more clueless team mates till the point. The whole ranking system becomes nothing but either a boring RNG show of who gets the better team members or just a farm for those who want to farm the Winter’s Day reward track while at the time farm for easy ascended gear.
Like I tell people before a team of players like 1,1,1,1,10 vs team B of players like 5,3,3,2,1 in a capture and hold two points mode I’m pretty sure that team B will win against team A more then %50 of the times because again players from team B will ignore the 10 player on team A because he can’t hold but one point at a time unless he starts hacking. However most cases what happens is team A gets 1,1,1,1,8 while team B gets 7<->8,5,3,3. Yet despite this people will still say that the person the actually did the best in the match but was placed in a very very lost cause situation deserve to lose all of he rating and to continue to get even worst team mates as a result.
So Really now what is the system rating then? Because it really not how good of player you are. Which is what I thought was the whole point behind Ranked Leagues. Instead it’s just another casino where the house has the advantage ANet’s ESL players.
So far none of the ESL players have even bother to try to prove us wrong. By anonymously making another account and start in Bronze solo queue and work their way up. Then show us the recording of this climb. Until such footage shows up, then the Rank League just proves by it self. It’s nothing but a fraud by setting up players for failure all the while having it’s Spokesmen try hard to convince every it’s not about RNG but about player skill.
I await for one of these self proclaimed elite trust fund players to accept this challenge. Tho I don’t hold my breath.
This is my challenge to those upper league players who contribute nothing but telling players to GET GUD, or Learn to Carry 4 others against a superior total team package. Or to those who just say if you are bronze or silver then that’s where you belong, without any reasoning behind such a silly remark.
I maybe a troll with class.
But at least I admit it!
PoF guys get ready for PvE joys
But at least I admit it!
PoF guys get ready for PvE joys
To be fair, you and others are making the accusations that the system is unfair to you. If anyone needs to provide evidence, you should. Show us your games. Let’s see all the horrible players you have to deal with, and let’s see how you respond to it in game.
I get it, it’s frustrating to be on losing streak and the last person you want to blame is yourself. But we’ve seen exaggeration over and over again on this forum. I just find it hard to believe that it is as bad as you are saying.
To be fair, you and others are making the accusations that the system is unfair to you. If anyone needs to provide evidence, you should. Show us your games. Let’s see all the horrible players you have to deal with, and let’s see how you respond to it in game.
I get it, it’s frustrating to be on losing streak and the last person you want to blame is yourself. But we’ve seen exaggeration over and over again on this forum. I just find it hard to believe that it is as bad as you are saying.
I have already been posting the mmr of the players in my matches and shown that the system is indeed stacking one team with a higher average mmr than the other team. In doing this I have discovered a few things:
- MM will set up a match to where 2-3 players on each team have roughly the same mmr, and then the remaining 2-3 players on one team will have a higher mmr while the remaining 2-3 players on the other team will have a lower mmr.
- When there are fewer players in the queue around your mmr, the effects of this queue system creates horribly unbalanced matches.
- I have also noticed then when the system stacks the odds against me, I seem to constantly be the highest mmr on my team. This means that the system expects me and another player to carry the other three guys on our team against a higher rated opposing team, and then punishes me when we lose.
I’ve also seen people post screenshots where they get some of these crazy players. Scrolling through and looking at their chat log you can clearly see the issues.
In fact, the post that I have been maintaining on this forum where I am tracking the mmr of the players in my matches has constantly fell off the first page numerous times to make way for DH OP threads and what not. I guess it’s because it’s hard for people to argue against factual numbers.
I love this season though and will continue to play it and study the patterns from matchmaking as I climb up and down the ladder. However, you guys have got to stop pretending that there is nothing wrong with this season at all or else we’re never going to reach the potential this game’s pvp has. Sure, it’s hard to pick through all these complaints and determine who is whining because they think they are better than they are and who is presenting legitimate complaints, but don’t be so quick to dismiss everyone.
To be fair, you and others are making the accusations that the system is unfair to you. If anyone needs to provide evidence, you should. Show us your games. Let’s see all the horrible players you have to deal with, and let’s see how you respond to it in game.
I get it, it’s frustrating to be on losing streak and the last person you want to blame is yourself. But we’ve seen exaggeration over and over again on this forum. I just find it hard to believe that it is as bad as you are saying.
For a lot of players (I’m not saying all) the problem is not with accepting responsibility for your own failures or lack of skill, it is the overwhelming task of not being able to compensate for these things in others.
For example, I know that rotation is a weak spot in my gameplay. Because it is highly situational, only time and experience will help me improve. I would estimate approx 60-70% of times I make the right call, but this leaves a lot of margin for error on my part. However, if my team mates have no understanding of rotation, that means even when I’m getting it right there is more than a good chance the rest of team is not.
Another example, using players rated 1-10 (10 being awesome). Let’s say I’m a 5 and I’m teamed with four other 5’s. The odds of winning against similarly skilled players is much higher than if I were to be teamed with 3’s & 2’s. As a 5, I am skilled enough to pull my own weight, but I can’t compensate for that lack of ability in others.
Hope that makes sense, I’m a bit sleep deprived.
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But consider it from our point of view. We don’t know if your cherry picking. We don’t know what actually happened in game. I’ve played many games where the class stacking appeared against me. Some I’ve won, some I’ve lost.
It’s good that you are doing this. I suggest putting it all together and making a strong case. Right now, as scattered and incomplete as it is, it just doesn’t seem very convincing.
To be fair, you and others are making the accusations that the system is unfair to you. If anyone needs to provide evidence, you should. Show us your games. Let’s see all the horrible players you have to deal with, and let’s see how you respond to it in game.
I get it, it’s frustrating to be on losing streak and the last person you want to blame is yourself. But we’ve seen exaggeration over and over again on this forum. I just find it hard to believe that it is as bad as you are saying.
Ok.. breaths deeply before going off of the deep end again
Now that’s out of the way. No I take full responsibility for when I’m just out matched, or when I’m playing bad and deserve to lose. I mean I’m not afraid to say when I just got beat. But to sit here and tell us that unless we are able to carry match after match after match with team mates that have either absolutely no clue on how to play so 4 of them die to the 2 at mid while I keep home from being capped by 2 by myself. Or when I get team mates that just are trolling the matches for what ever reason simi afking, intentionally feeding, or just flatout DC mid match. That I don’t want to blame myself for when I screw up. THOSE ARE NOT MY SCREW UPS I’M GETTING PINNED WITH. Those are other players who have no business in Ranked after 5 hours or less of total custom lobby matches that are getting placed on my team and me and others are being told to just be quite in take the fall.
It’s actually the quite opposite. Since ANet has kicked me out of Competitive PvP in GW2. I’ve started PvPing in a game called Smite. Let me tell you about this game. It really doesn’t allow trash trolls to troll their ranked leagues. It doesn’t allow for players just constantly feed the other team kills and wins. It forces players to have experience with what ever character they are trying to bring into Ranked. It forces players to put in a minimum of 180 to 300 hours of actual game play to level up to be able to start to qualify for ranked leagues. If people performing such actions in Smite that is blatantly allowed in GW2 They would have their ranked league privileges revoked if not get a full account ban and have to do all that work again if they want to troll Ranked Leagues again.
All we want in GW2 is for our personal play to count at least almost as much as winning if not just as much if we was say the MVP of that team or match or both but still lost. I should be place on teams with team members who have very close to as much personal top stats, not way more or way less.
For ANet to put in a system that can detect when people are idling and just flat-out kick/perma ban their accounts from the Ranked Leagues. A system that can detect with x has DCed mid match from x amount of Ranked matches and just prema banned them from leagues if they can’t have a decent enoth internet to be able to stay connected the whole match then why do people like me have to suffer and lose ratings. Yes we are potentially losing ratings when people do this because that could’ve been a potential win and gain of ratings if they would’ve played. We want a actually competitive scene without having to go to other games to get it.
I do not hold my breath, hence while Smite and ESO has been taking up about %95 of my GW2 time. Hell I even plays Smite on the other monitor now while playing GW2 PvP, when I get such team mates. Because there is no incentive on being good when your team just flat out abunch of inexperienced PvEers with 5 hours of less of total PvP experience. You will still lose more ratings from the loss then you will gain from 2 wins some times. It doesn’t matter if you have top revives, top damage, top heals, top defense, and top offense when you are still going to be punished for being pair’ed with these players. Which is of no fault of your own other then the fact you just wanted to play some GW2 Ranked Leagues.
I maybe a troll with class.
But at least I admit it!
PoF guys get ready for PvE joys
But at least I admit it!
PoF guys get ready for PvE joys
But consider it from our point of view. We don’t know if your cherry picking. We don’t know what actually happened in game. I’ve played many games where the class stacking appeared against me. Some I’ve won, some I’ve lost.
It’s good that you are doing this. I suggest putting it all together and making a strong case. Right now, as scattered and incomplete as it is, it just doesn’t seem very convincing.
Convincing of what? Like I said, of course you can still win some stacked matches, it all depends on just how stacked the match is which depends on how many players around your mmr are in the queue.
What I’ve shown so far by pulling factual numbers provided from the very game itself is that the MM does not balance out the average mmr of two teams. If at this point you are still determined to deny facts pulled straight from the game and keep telling players that you doubt that what they are complaining about is really happening, then you are choosing to be willfully ignorant of the situation while insulting players that have legitimate complaints and just want to see improvements to the game.
That’s the problem I have with certain people. People that will turn a blind eye to all evidence of a problem existing, but are quick to rush to the forums and insult everyone that is experiencing these problems.
Personally, I’ve been on a wonderful winning streak and have been having a great time. I started monitoring the mmr of players in the match when I was having crazy blowout matches than I won way to easily or lost with no hope. I then played during off-peak ours to study the effect it had on matches, and saw that things were even worse during these hours.
Finally, you can’t honestly believe that a player is good enough to climb from low silver to mid gold, and then suddenly lost all of his skill and dropped back down to low silver, at which point he remembered how to play and climbed back up to mid gold only to repeat the process again. Having a 50% win ratio and staying in the decision you belong enjoying balanced matches is the goal, and for a lot of these players, that is not what is happening.
Ok.. breaths deeply before going off of the deep end again
Yeah, this is why I have doubts. I’m sorry that you are frustrated. Maybe take a break.
Oh sorry I should also add. I have been posting my videos on the crap show on my Youtube and twitch stream channels. Many many people was completely turned off by what people have to deal in in Ranked Leagues. Also they was turned off by what is allowed in Ranked PvP. I even directed them to the these forms to see how the white knights treats such victims agains the unfair and non competitive Ranked PvP leagues in this game. Just by text in my streams alone I’ve got about 15 or 20 people who was interested in the PvP scene in GW2 till they saw all of that. But who cares about getting a few actually PvPers to PvP in this game when you can bribe many many PvEers to troll the supposedly Competitive Ranked PvP Leagues, just for the rewards and leave, leave ANet in the PvP community worst then they started because now that those people have gotten their rewards and lefted PvP for good. The actually PvPers who had to deal with them and was told to just be quite are mostly gone as well. It’s the same repeat of Seasons 2 to 4. Nothing changed just another smokescreen instead of fixes for some of the obvious problems.
I maybe a troll with class.
But at least I admit it!
PoF guys get ready for PvE joys
But at least I admit it!
PoF guys get ready for PvE joys
But consider it from our point of view. We don’t know if your cherry picking. We don’t know what actually happened in game. I’ve played many games where the class stacking appeared against me. Some I’ve won, some I’ve lost.
It’s good that you are doing this. I suggest putting it all together and making a strong case. Right now, as scattered and incomplete as it is, it just doesn’t seem very convincing.
Convincing of what? Like I said, of course you can still win some stacked matches, it all depends on just how stacked the match is which depends on how many players around your mmr are in the queue.
What I’ve shown so far by pulling factual numbers provided from the very game itself is that the MM does not balance out the average mmr of two teams. If at this point you are still determined to deny facts pulled straight from the game and keep telling players that you doubt that what they are complaining about is really happening, then you are choosing to be willfully ignorant of the situation while insulting players that have legitimate complaints and just want to see improvements to the game.
That’s the problem I have with certain people. People that will turn a blind eye to all evidence of a problem existing, but are quick to rush to the forums and insult everyone that is experiencing these problems.
Personally, I’ve been on a wonderful winning streak and have been having a great time. I started monitoring the mmr of players in the match when I was having crazy blowout matches than I won way to easily or lost with no hope. I then played during off-peak ours to study the effect it had on matches, and saw that things were even worse during these hours.
Finally, you can’t honestly believe that a player is good enough to climb from low silver to mid gold, and then suddenly lost all of his skill and dropped back down to low silver, at which point he remembered how to play and climbed back up to mid gold only to repeat the process again. Having a 50% win ratio and staying in the decision you belong enjoying balanced matches is the goal, and for a lot of these players, that is not what is happening.
So you have proved that the matchmaking system works less effectively during off-peak hours?
But consider it from our point of view. We don’t know if your cherry picking. We don’t know what actually happened in game. I’ve played many games where the class stacking appeared against me. Some I’ve won, some I’ve lost.
It’s good that you are doing this. I suggest putting it all together and making a strong case. Right now, as scattered and incomplete as it is, it just doesn’t seem very convincing.
I totally understand the opposing point of view. There are far too many sooky-puss crybabies on the forums. And as I said before “a lot of players, not all”. I can only speak for myself. Generally I don’t make comments on anything until I’ve the time to observe and compare and be objective.
Unfortunately I don’t have years in GW2 pvp to be able to draw comparisons, I’ve been playing pvp seriously for about 6mths. From what I’ve observed reading the forums, ranked pvp has been plagued with issues and inequities from day one. Anet have volminous amounts of constructive feedback, and yet we as players are still required to “make our case”. Doesn’t seem quite fair to me.
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But consider it from our point of view. We don’t know if your cherry picking. We don’t know what actually happened in game. I’ve played many games where the class stacking appeared against me. Some I’ve won, some I’ve lost.
It’s good that you are doing this. I suggest putting it all together and making a strong case. Right now, as scattered and incomplete as it is, it just doesn’t seem very convincing.
Convincing of what? Like I said, of course you can still win some stacked matches, it all depends on just how stacked the match is which depends on how many players around your mmr are in the queue.
What I’ve shown so far by pulling factual numbers provided from the very game itself is that the MM does not balance out the average mmr of two teams. If at this point you are still determined to deny facts pulled straight from the game and keep telling players that you doubt that what they are complaining about is really happening, then you are choosing to be willfully ignorant of the situation while insulting players that have legitimate complaints and just want to see improvements to the game.
That’s the problem I have with certain people. People that will turn a blind eye to all evidence of a problem existing, but are quick to rush to the forums and insult everyone that is experiencing these problems.
Personally, I’ve been on a wonderful winning streak and have been having a great time. I started monitoring the mmr of players in the match when I was having crazy blowout matches than I won way to easily or lost with no hope. I then played during off-peak ours to study the effect it had on matches, and saw that things were even worse during these hours.
Finally, you can’t honestly believe that a player is good enough to climb from low silver to mid gold, and then suddenly lost all of his skill and dropped back down to low silver, at which point he remembered how to play and climbed back up to mid gold only to repeat the process again. Having a 50% win ratio and staying in the decision you belong enjoying balanced matches is the goal, and for a lot of these players, that is not what is happening.
So you have proved that the matchmaking system works less effectively during off-peak hours?
Now who is cherry picking? You could benefit from taking the time to thoroughly read and comprehend before commenting. It’s ok if you don’t understand things, but you’re not really helping the situation here or contributing anything useful to this thread by making blind assertions. Some people here just want to see a game they enjoy playing improve.
The OP highlights how myself and others in my playgroup feel. We are punished for pushing as hard as we can to carry out teams; winning all awards or at least multiples. We cannot fight our way out of our tier. I also made the mistake of trying to be a Rifle engineer in PVP over Hammer. I practiced with Rifle for a few months and did really well in unranked. I didn’t factor in that everyone would be playing meta; my fault.
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- 1) What Anet thinks works doesn’t actually work. Meaning, allowing a game mode that’s supposed to be competitive shouldn’t reward losing.
Having the rewards at the bottom is actually really important. As the player base in general gets better over time, it’s the bottom that tends to suffer the most attrition, which makes it hard to matchmake new players who don’t know any better…so they get crushed.
It doesn’t hurt anyone to have a bunch of casuals kitten ing around in bronze. That’s an essential part of any game, a base against which new players can learn. And really, if you can’t beat up players with random builds just mashing buttons, why do you deserve to be any higher?
- 2) Matchmaking algorithm still doesn’t work well. There should be no reason why 3 or 4 of the same class should be randomly spawned on the same team.
Matchmaking does try to break this up, but it prioritizes putting players of similar skill levels together over ensuring everyone is on different classes. Plus, population is not high, and people bandwagon onto popular classes. What do you expect it to do? You can de-prioritize rating even more to try and get diverse matchups, but once you have the DHs (currently) piled up in queue, eventually it’ll force those matches to happen.
The matchmaker has to work with what it’s got, and if you feed it a pile of DH’s it’s going to match a bunch of DH’s.
- 3) Players are punished for things out of their control. You win as a team, and lose as a team. This motto would be true, if Ranked PvP were an actual team game. As it stands, being on a team with up to 4 random strangers of various skill level truly makes winning more of a coin flip than based on skill and strategy.
If you are playing at your level 7 or 8 out of 10 games are going to be determined by factors outside your control (other player’s skill/performance, class match-ups, etc). That’s still true even if you’re playing with organized teams – sometimes the key plays happen elsewhere. Sometimes it’s someone else’s job that is important. You are not always the difference maker. It’s possible to play perfectly and still lose.
But sometimes the important points of the match are on you. Sometimes you’re in the favorable match-up to press and win. Sometimes the opportunities are there for you and not someone else. Sometimes everything else is equal and your play is decisive. That’s when you need to step up and win.
When you are playing solo queue you cannot expect win 100% or 80% or 70% or even 60% of your games (unless you are one of the very best players in the game). Your goal should be to win 55% of your games, 5 out of 9. If you can win 5 out of 9 consistently you will rise in rating fairly rapidly. You can expect to win 55% if you are a consistently strong member of your team.
- 4) No barriers to entry for Ranked.
See above, I don’t see what the problem of piling newbies into bronze is.
- 5) PvP needs more reporting functions for AFKers and trolls. If someone is intentionally throwing Ranked matches, they shouldn’t be allowed to play anymore.
Agreed.
- 6) High rated players treated differently than mid/low tier players. This is unintentional on Anet’s part, but their matchmaking system protects the higher rated players. They never have to worry about their teammates not understanding strategy, rotations, etc.
LOL, no. The player base isn’t deep enough to give those sorts of matches to top rated players. On top of that, there are a lot of very talented one tricks out there and pretty far up the ladder. There are some really masterful players that hang out in dueling rooms, that are fantastic duelists, that know the ins and outs of those fights and just dominate their 1v1s when they play ranked – but when they get collapsed on or have to teamfight they seriously have no idea what they are doing. There’s a whole godkitten ecosystem of that in the higher tiers.
Plus, and I don’t know how this is lost on so many people – top players often make smurf accounts for the sole purpose of playing in bronze against new players. They don’t ‘get stuck’ there because their teammates are bad. They run their opponents in circles and carry super hard. I am by no means a top player, and back when I played frequently I’d jump into low rating games and just farm people. It doesn’t matter how bad your teammates are when your opponents are down or waiting to respawn. You gotta farm harder than your teammates can get farmed.
So far none of the ESL players have even bother to try to prove us wrong. By anonymously making another account and start in Bronze solo queue and work their way up. Then show us the recording of this climb. Until such footage shows up,
Are you gonna shut up? Cause Helseth is doing this right now. He made an alt in bronze and is currently working his way up.
Winning an overtime match and then getting points taken away and a desertion penalty because it is bugged.
- 1) What Anet thinks works doesn’t actually work. Meaning, allowing a game mode that’s supposed to be competitive shouldn’t reward losing. You effectively have two different types of players being combined into the same game mode: Those who don’t care about the competition, and those that do. Rewarding losses keeps the players who don’t care about competition around, and that causes problems.
I really disagree with this point. Why should average/below-average players be punished for being sub-par? Everyone should be rewarded for playing the game to some extent, but your progress climbing tiers shouldn’t be tied to rewards. IMHO let them stay in bronze and get their mats it doesn’t hurt anyone. That way they don’t feel like they are being punished for playing pvp instead of doing their daily pve farm run or whatever it is people do to get money.
Besides competitive players don’t play for rewards. They do it for prestige and because they enjoy competition, so why does it matter? If competitive players did care about rewards then why is Ranked play in Overwatch popular? I guarantee you they aren’t playing it for the loot boxes. People want to brag that they made it to the highest tier (whatever they call it). Or at the very least they want to see how they stack against other players. Because of this the current ranked GW2 system is a huge step in the right direction. (The implementation of a real in-game leaderboard is also a huge boon)
Also in reality the current pip system isn’t all that different from Overwatch and their loot boxes. Win or loose you will continue to progress towards the next reward.
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Haha! All you “pros” are full of excuses.
Shaogin posted a game where the team mmr difference is almost TWO HUNDRED points! You call THAT fair matchmaking? It’s laughable.
I can’t wait until some of you guys start tumbling down and getting a taste of the bronze life. Let’s see if you protect the system then.
- 1) What Anet thinks works doesn’t actually work. Meaning, allowing a game mode that’s supposed to be competitive shouldn’t reward losing. You effectively have two different types of players being combined into the same game mode: Those who don’t care about the competition, and those that do. Rewarding losses keeps the players who don’t care about competition around, and that causes problems.
I really disagree with this point. Why should average/below-average players be punished for being sub-par? Everyone should be rewarded for playing the game to some extent, but your progress climbing tiers shouldn’t be tied to rewards. IMHO let them stay in bronze and get their mats it doesn’t hurt anyone. That way they don’t feel like they are being punished for playing pvp instead of doing their daily pve farm run or whatever it is people do to get money.
Besides competitive players don’t play for rewards. They do it for prestige and because they enjoy competition, so why does it matter? If competitive players did care about rewards then why is Ranked play in Overwatch popular? I guarantee you they aren’t playing it for the loot boxes. People want to brag that they made it to the highest tier (whatever they call it). Or at the very least they want to see how they stack against other players. Because of this the current ranked GW2 system is a huge step in the right direction. (The implementation of a real in-game leaderboard is also a huge boon)
Also in reality the current pip system isn’t all that different from Overwatch and their loot boxes. Win or loose you will continue to progress towards the next reward.
You can stop rewarding losses and not tie the rewards to division like you think he is talking about…. you win a match you get rewards, you lose you don’t it will stop the ago players and make players want to win.
Haha! All you “pros” are full of excuses.
Shaogin posted a game where the team mmr difference is almost TWO HUNDRED points! You call THAT fair matchmaking? It’s laughable.
I can’t wait until some of you guys start tumbling down and getting a taste of the bronze life. Let’s see if you protect the system then.
MMR is different than rank. You have no idea of knowing the other 9 players’ MMR in the match, just their rating which is only a portion of the MMR equation.
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Haha! All you “pros” are full of excuses.
Shaogin posted a game where the team mmr difference is almost TWO HUNDRED points! You call THAT fair matchmaking? It’s laughable.
I can’t wait until some of you guys start tumbling down and getting a taste of the bronze life. Let’s see if you protect the system then.
MMR is different than rank. You have no idea of knowing the other 9 players’ MMR in the match, just their rating which is only a portion of the MMR equation.
That’s because he asked them personally for their individual mmr and posted them here. Also, I don’t care about the equation, I care about the RESULT, which is—laughable.
Personally my MMR has gone up and down since the season started. The total range is greater than 200 MMR points so I don’t see what the issue is. I’d say the accuracy of the system isn’t’ any better than +- 50 to 80.
Haha! All you “pros” are full of excuses.
Shaogin posted a game where the team mmr difference is almost TWO HUNDRED points! You call THAT fair matchmaking? It’s laughable.
I can’t wait until some of you guys start tumbling down and getting a taste of the bronze life. Let’s see if you protect the system then.
MMR is different than rank. You have no idea of knowing the other 9 players’ MMR in the match, just their rating which is only a portion of the MMR equation.
That’s because he asked them personally for their individual mmr and posted them here. Also, I don’t care about the equation, I care about the RESULT, which is—laughable.
Actually I added them to my friend’s list and got their mmr straight from the leaderboard.
@BennyKay to the best of my understanding the mmr shown to us is what is being used to match us up. So having the mmr of two teams stacked in favor of one team over another is poor matchmaking.
Personally my MMR has gone up and down since the season started. The total range is greater than 200 MMR points so I don’t see what the issue is. I’d say the accuracy of the system isn’t’ any better than +- 50 to 80.
From my understanding if your mmr has settled you shouldn’t be constantly fluctuating that much, however it is still happening. This only exacerbates the issue really. One of the guys on my team was 900 or so in a match where the average player is around 1300 or so. Now if that guy’s rating is also fluctuating that much, he could actually be a 700 player most of the time.
In many matches, the difference in mmr created by the two teams isn’t enough to notice, in other matches though it makes a blowout match. What gets me is that this wouldn’t even be such an issue if the system balanced out both teams so that their average mmr was as close as possible. Currently though, each match has about 2-3 outlier players, and the higher outliers get placed on one team and the lowers ones on the other team. This method just makes no sense at all.
I can’t wait until some of you guys start tumbling down and getting a taste of the bronze life. Let’s see if you protect the system then.
Some of us aren’t as bad as you. I’ve seen people climb 400 MMR. The cognitive dissonance of people who thought they were legend tier but really bronze is almost palpable. Can’t be you so blame the system. Pretty much every one I know who placed low has climbed out already.
Personally my MMR has gone up and down since the season started. The total range is greater than 200 MMR points so I don’t see what the issue is. I’d say the accuracy of the system isn’t’ any better than +- 50 to 80.
From my understanding if your mmr has settled you shouldn’t be constantly fluctuating that much, however it is still happening. This only exacerbates the issue really. One of the guys on my team was 900 or so in a match where the average player is around 1300 or so. Now if that guy’s rating is also fluctuating that much, he could actually be a 700 player most of the time.
In many matches, the difference in mmr created by the two teams isn’t enough to notice, in other matches though it makes a blowout match. What gets me is that this wouldn’t even be such an issue if the system balanced out both teams so that their average mmr was as close as possible. Currently though, each match has about 2-3 outlier players, and the higher outliers get placed on one team and the lowers ones on the other team. This method just makes no sense at all.
You keep going back to that one match in every post about it, you also stated you were playing off peak hours on a Monday morning, you also stated that the 904 player was paired with a 11xx player you don’t know which by your own admission, if you knew how the system worked you would understand why the other team had a higher Mmr that being the Duo Queu you were paired with gets punished for queuing together by being placed against Higher Mmr teams since Duo Queue can be considered an Advantage. The other team had no Duo Queues by your own posts using that match as an example. So far you have only posted two match results with basic info and no supporting screen shots, you need more context and substance to your “analysis” so far you have an abysmally small sample size to make generalizations about.
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If I was you and all the others complaining about such travesty so hard. Why not do what I did mid Season 3 and look for a Competitive Skill based dedicated PvP game to mainly do your PvP in and only come to GW2’s Ranked League to vacation away from the serious competition in the other games for a hour or two a week.
Honestly this will not change. ANet and the white knights are loving how the system works. So that makes us the outtiers how ever right or wrong we may be. We can not and will not change ANet’s or the white knights mind on these issues. The only thing that will get them to change the script is for the same thing we said would having during Seasons 2 and 3 that happened in Season 4 that FORCED ANet to bend and make duo and solo queues only. People stopped playing thus their ESL players had no content to play thru.
This seems to be the only thing these unreasonable people will listen to. Most of the WvWers in GW2 lefted to ESO and WoW after the second group of linking, now even T1 servers are dead at times. Dedicated ex GW2 PvPers on my friends list did a GWexit between Seasons 2 and 3, because their voices wasn’t being heard and obvious problems was not being dealt with. Most of them are playing Overwatch, Rocket League, and DoTA now. I still keep in contact with some of them via phone.
I made the prediction during Season 3 that ANet would have a complete lack of PvP interest if they didn’t fixed the MM. Season 4 rolled by with some people complaining about 45 plus minute queues in Ranked. I suspect this will repeat it’s self in Season 6 unless ANet bribes some of the PvEers with precursors to play ranked. Because again barely anyone will be interested in a mock competition that is pointless and have no showing of a player’s skill.
In the end you can’t control the dev team if they just don’t care. Or the few in the community who has a lot of influence. However you can dictate how much time you are willing to give to such insult and abuse, if any at all. My GW2 withdrawals I have are slowly fading away. I’m to the point I maybe actually play the game for 1 or 4 hours a month now. I used to spam 5 hours or more a day. But w/e right?
I maybe a troll with class.
But at least I admit it!
PoF guys get ready for PvE joys
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PoF guys get ready for PvE joys
there’s just one reason players are unhappy with pvp: they think they belong to higher rank than what they actually deserve
Ignorant statement to the max here. You’re either a troll or you really are trying to see how far your nose goes up kittenNet’s kitten. The system is flawed; perhaps not to the extent some are saying, but there are MASSIVE flaws in it.
I’ve seen Gold 2 players who are absolutely clueless. Is this just them trolling who freaking knows. However, it’s pathetic how stupid some of them “pvpers” actually are. They have no map awareness at all, they can’t even focus targets. Some of this has to be actual trolls, perhaps even “pro” players taking a break just to kitten around. Some could even be Anet or those close to them. When you are winning in a match and then watch as everything falls about and the players just start giving away control points, and grouping all on home etc it does make you wonder.
We all know the “pros” make multiple accounts to keep themselves at the top. Some do this and admit they do to troll the lower ranking ones. We all know Anet doesn’t want their pride and joy “pro” players actually losing to other players because it’ll make them look like kittenes. Is it any wonder why they took out allowing the top teams to try and compete to get into the pro level? The pro teams are on Anet’s payroll, that money they “win” just gets funneled back into the system. It’s an elitist club and they don’t want to lose any power.
Should just call it Guild Boxing 2, it’s as corrupt as that industry was when Don King led the charge. Complete BS, so either play the grind or don’t, it’s rigged.
Oh wow another cute little anecdotal example! ^.^ I didn’t know this happened every single time! And only to you too at that.
Guess what though… if that guy keeps losing guess where he’ll go. That’s right.
Down.
Honestly John go suck on Anet’s kitten some more. If you really want to be on Anet’s payroll you should apply for a job. The fanboys love to twist words around, I swear it’s pathetic, I never once said “it’s only happening to me” You kittening jack kitten piece of kitten.
I’m not defending ANet. You’re attacking math and statistics. Next thing I know you’re gonna be telling me evolution doesn’t exist and the Earth is 6,000 years old. Not a smart one, are you? Figured.
Oooh watch out! He’s got the “facts”. -snicker-
You’re the one who can’t seem to wrap your head around what a match making system is designed to do nor the math behind it. Plus you’re very likely bad at the game at that with delusions that you’re good and can’t fathom how a system in which the good players rise to the top could leave you out so it’s the systems fault and not you.
Listen, if you were actually good you wouldn’t be saying the things you do. No one good does. My friends list panned out exactly how I thought it would: With the good players getting high ratings and the ones I knew were not so good getting lower ones. If the good players I knew were good got placed lower they’ve pushed themselves out of it and have a much higher rating now. While the ones towards the bottom/middle are the ones constantly complaining about their teams. It’s so predictable, I can’t believe there’s anyone that takes you seriously here anymore.
Anyone can use math, what matters is that is it CORRECT. See, you’re focused on the math, I’m focused on the RESULT. What’s the point of math if it doesn’t correctly solve a problem? The math ensures that low mmr players never move up and high mmr players always get knocked down. There’s no individual skill being accounted at all here. It’s just an endless matchmaking see-saw regardless of your personal skill.
As far as who takes me seriously? lol I don’t CARE. Agree with me or not, I tell the TRUTH. There’s a lot of BS floating on these forums. PvP is not competitive, by any means. This has been the case for every single league season. There has been no progress at all since then. I’ve defended PvP in the past…no longer. Enough is enough.
there’s just one reason players are unhappy with pvp: they think they belong to higher rank than what they actually deserve
Ignorant statement to the max here. You’re either a troll or you really are trying to see how far your nose goes up kittenNet’s kitten. The system is flawed; perhaps not to the extent some are saying, but there are MASSIVE flaws in it.
I’ve seen Gold 2 players who are absolutely clueless. Is this just them trolling who freaking knows. However, it’s pathetic how stupid some of them “pvpers” actually are. They have no map awareness at all, they can’t even focus targets. Some of this has to be actual trolls, perhaps even “pro” players taking a break just to kitten around. Some could even be Anet or those close to them. When you are winning in a match and then watch as everything falls about and the players just start giving away control points, and grouping all on home etc it does make you wonder.
We all know the “pros” make multiple accounts to keep themselves at the top. Some do this and admit they do to troll the lower ranking ones. We all know Anet doesn’t want their pride and joy “pro” players actually losing to other players because it’ll make them look like kittenes. Is it any wonder why they took out allowing the top teams to try and compete to get into the pro level? The pro teams are on Anet’s payroll, that money they “win” just gets funneled back into the system. It’s an elitist club and they don’t want to lose any power.
Should just call it Guild Boxing 2, it’s as corrupt as that industry was when Don King led the charge. Complete BS, so either play the grind or don’t, it’s rigged.
Oh wow another cute little anecdotal example! ^.^ I didn’t know this happened every single time! And only to you too at that.
Guess what though… if that guy keeps losing guess where he’ll go. That’s right.
Down.
Honestly John go suck on Anet’s kitten some more. If you really want to be on Anet’s payroll you should apply for a job. The fanboys love to twist words around, I swear it’s pathetic, I never once said “it’s only happening to me” You kittening jack kitten piece of kitten.
I’m not defending ANet. You’re attacking math and statistics. Next thing I know you’re gonna be telling me evolution doesn’t exist and the Earth is 6,000 years old. Not a smart one, are you? Figured.
Oooh watch out! He’s got the “facts”. -snicker-
You’re the one who can’t seem to wrap your head around what a match making system is designed to do nor the math behind it. Plus you’re very likely bad at the game at that with delusions that you’re good and can’t fathom how a system in which the good players rise to the top could leave you out so it’s the systems fault and not you.
Listen, if you were actually good you wouldn’t be saying the things you do. No one good does. My friends list panned out exactly how I thought it would: With the good players getting high ratings and the ones I knew were not so good getting lower ones. If the good players I knew were good got placed lower they’ve pushed themselves out of it and have a much higher rating now. While the ones towards the bottom/middle are the ones constantly complaining about their teams. It’s so predictable, I can’t believe there’s anyone that takes you seriously here anymore.
Anyone can use math, what matters is that is it CORRECT. See, you’re focused on the math, I’m focused on the RESULT. What’s the point of math if it doesn’t correctly solve a problem? The math ensures that low mmr players never move up and high mmr players always get knocked down. There’s no individual skill being accounted at all here. It’s just an endless matchmaking see-saw regardless of your personal skill.
As far as who takes me seriously? lol I don’t CARE. Agree with me or not, I tell the TRUTH. There’s a lot of BS floating on these forums. PvP is not competitive, by any means. This has been the case for every single league season. There has been no progress at all since then. I’ve defended PvP in the past…no longer. Enough is enough.
You do not tell the TRUTH as you put it you tell your emotionally charged opinion.
there’s just one reason players are unhappy with pvp: they think they belong to higher rank than what they actually deserve
Ignorant statement to the max here. You’re either a troll or you really are trying to see how far your nose goes up kittenNet’s kitten. The system is flawed; perhaps not to the extent some are saying, but there are MASSIVE flaws in it.
I’ve seen Gold 2 players who are absolutely clueless. Is this just them trolling who freaking knows. However, it’s pathetic how stupid some of them “pvpers” actually are. They have no map awareness at all, they can’t even focus targets. Some of this has to be actual trolls, perhaps even “pro” players taking a break just to kitten around. Some could even be Anet or those close to them. When you are winning in a match and then watch as everything falls about and the players just start giving away control points, and grouping all on home etc it does make you wonder.
We all know the “pros” make multiple accounts to keep themselves at the top. Some do this and admit they do to troll the lower ranking ones. We all know Anet doesn’t want their pride and joy “pro” players actually losing to other players because it’ll make them look like kittenes. Is it any wonder why they took out allowing the top teams to try and compete to get into the pro level? The pro teams are on Anet’s payroll, that money they “win” just gets funneled back into the system. It’s an elitist club and they don’t want to lose any power.
Should just call it Guild Boxing 2, it’s as corrupt as that industry was when Don King led the charge. Complete BS, so either play the grind or don’t, it’s rigged.
Oh wow another cute little anecdotal example! ^.^ I didn’t know this happened every single time! And only to you too at that.
Guess what though… if that guy keeps losing guess where he’ll go. That’s right.
Down.
Honestly John go suck on Anet’s kitten some more. If you really want to be on Anet’s payroll you should apply for a job. The fanboys love to twist words around, I swear it’s pathetic, I never once said “it’s only happening to me” You kittening jack kitten piece of kitten.
I’m not defending ANet. You’re attacking math and statistics. Next thing I know you’re gonna be telling me evolution doesn’t exist and the Earth is 6,000 years old. Not a smart one, are you? Figured.
Oooh watch out! He’s got the “facts”. -snicker-
You’re the one who can’t seem to wrap your head around what a match making system is designed to do nor the math behind it. Plus you’re very likely bad at the game at that with delusions that you’re good and can’t fathom how a system in which the good players rise to the top could leave you out so it’s the systems fault and not you.
Listen, if you were actually good you wouldn’t be saying the things you do. No one good does. My friends list panned out exactly how I thought it would: With the good players getting high ratings and the ones I knew were not so good getting lower ones. If the good players I knew were good got placed lower they’ve pushed themselves out of it and have a much higher rating now. While the ones towards the bottom/middle are the ones constantly complaining about their teams. It’s so predictable, I can’t believe there’s anyone that takes you seriously here anymore.
Anyone can use math, what matters is that is it CORRECT. See, you’re focused on the math, I’m focused on the RESULT. What’s the point of math if it doesn’t correctly solve a problem? The math ensures that low mmr players never move up and high mmr players always get knocked down. There’s no individual skill being accounted at all here. It’s just an endless matchmaking see-saw regardless of your personal skill.
As far as who takes me seriously? lol I don’t CARE. Agree with me or not, I tell the TRUTH. There’s a lot of BS floating on these forums. PvP is not competitive, by any means. This has been the case for every single league season. There has been no progress at all since then. I’ve defended PvP in the past…no longer. Enough is enough.
You do not tell the TRUTH as you put it you tell your emotionally charged opinion.
Says the one with no EVIDENCE.
You do not tell the TRUTH as you put it you tell your emotionally charged opinion.
Says the one with no EVIDENCE.
Where’s your EVIDENCE as you put it? We are waiting. Post vids of your your PvP gameplay, post evidence of the Mmr hell. Go for it you just have your Opinin and no fact to back it, you say no player can carry a bronze match by them self well Helseth proved you wrong there. You say that the system is keeping you in Bronze below your supposed skill level still haven’t seen any proof from you showing as such. Everything I have stated has been either backed by Dev statements or the actions of other players that post videos. Funny how that works.
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There is no mmr hell. if you play solo by chance experiencing this illusion try to expand your build diversity, while being aware in co-op every game you played.
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Between a master and apprentice, i would love to see the differences.
Between a master and apprentice, i would love to see the differences.
there’s just one reason players are unhappy with pvp: they think they belong to higher rank than what they actually deserve
Ignorant statement to the max here. You’re either a troll or you really are trying to see how far your nose goes up kittenNet’s kitten. The system is flawed; perhaps not to the extent some are saying, but there are MASSIVE flaws in it.
I’ve seen Gold 2 players who are absolutely clueless. Is this just them trolling who freaking knows. However, it’s pathetic how stupid some of them “pvpers” actually are. They have no map awareness at all, they can’t even focus targets. Some of this has to be actual trolls, perhaps even “pro” players taking a break just to kitten around. Some could even be Anet or those close to them. When you are winning in a match and then watch as everything falls about and the players just start giving away control points, and grouping all on home etc it does make you wonder.
We all know the “pros” make multiple accounts to keep themselves at the top. Some do this and admit they do to troll the lower ranking ones. We all know Anet doesn’t want their pride and joy “pro” players actually losing to other players because it’ll make them look like kittenes. Is it any wonder why they took out allowing the top teams to try and compete to get into the pro level? The pro teams are on Anet’s payroll, that money they “win” just gets funneled back into the system. It’s an elitist club and they don’t want to lose any power.
Should just call it Guild Boxing 2, it’s as corrupt as that industry was when Don King led the charge. Complete BS, so either play the grind or don’t, it’s rigged.
Oh wow another cute little anecdotal example! ^.^ I didn’t know this happened every single time! And only to you too at that.
Guess what though… if that guy keeps losing guess where he’ll go. That’s right.
Down.
Honestly John go suck on Anet’s kitten some more. If you really want to be on Anet’s payroll you should apply for a job. The fanboys love to twist words around, I swear it’s pathetic, I never once said “it’s only happening to me” You kittening jack kitten piece of kitten.
I’m not defending ANet. You’re attacking math and statistics. Next thing I know you’re gonna be telling me evolution doesn’t exist and the Earth is 6,000 years old. Not a smart one, are you? Figured.
I’m attacking math and stats that are obviously broken. You’re defending a company that chooses to do nothing about it except maybe give 2 changes to a class over 2 months. Personally attacking me saying I’m a dumb kitten isn’t going to hide the fact your nose is shoved so far up Anet’s buttocks. If I want anymore kitten out of younext time I’ll just shake your head.
PS : We all know the Earth is flat and only 2016 years old.
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You do not tell the TRUTH as you put it you tell your emotionally charged opinion.
Says the one with no EVIDENCE.
Where’s your EVIDENCE as you put it? We are waiting. Post vids of your your PvP gameplay, post evidence of the Mmr hell. Go for it you just have your Opinin and no fact to back it, you say no player can carry a bronze match by them self well Helseth proved you wrong there. You say that the system is keeping you in Bronze below your supposed skill level still haven’t seen any proof from you showing as such. Everything I have stated has been either backed by Dev statements or the actions of other players that post videos. Funny how that works.
The evidence is right in front of you. It is in the game itself that we all play each and every day. Matchmaking imbalance is directly built into the system. We’ve seen this since season one. You think it’s just me? It’s going to get you too. As far as devs statements go, of course they’re going to back it, they designed it!
Personally my MMR has gone up and down since the season started. The total range is greater than 200 MMR points so I don’t see what the issue is. I’d say the accuracy of the system isn’t’ any better than +- 50 to 80.
From my understanding if your mmr has settled you shouldn’t be constantly fluctuating that much, however it is still happening. This only exacerbates the issue really. One of the guys on my team was 900 or so in a match where the average player is around 1300 or so. Now if that guy’s rating is also fluctuating that much, he could actually be a 700 player most of the time.
In many matches, the difference in mmr created by the two teams isn’t enough to notice, in other matches though it makes a blowout match. What gets me is that this wouldn’t even be such an issue if the system balanced out both teams so that their average mmr was as close as possible. Currently though, each match has about 2-3 outlier players, and the higher outliers get placed on one team and the lowers ones on the other team. This method just makes no sense at all.
You keep going back to that one match in every post about it, you also stated you were playing off peak hours on a Monday morning, you also stated that the 904 player was paired with a 11xx player you don’t know which by your own admission, if you knew how the system worked you would understand why the other team had a higher Mmr that being the Duo Queu you were paired with gets punished for queuing together by being placed against Higher Mmr teams since Duo Queue can be considered an Advantage. The other team had no Duo Queues by your own posts using that match as an example. So far you have only posted two match results with basic info and no supporting screen shots, you need more context and substance to your “analysis” so far you have an abysmally small sample size to make generalizations about.
Again, I have another post where I have posted results from multiple matches all showing the same thing. Some during peak hours, some during off hours. There seems to be a limit to how many players per day I can add to my Friend’s list to check their mmr, or else I’d be able to check many more matches.
I’ve constantly seen the same team splitting method in every match that I have been able to see player mmr in. The only point I’ve been making is that matchmaking does not attempt to balance out average mmr of both teams, so a player that is playing during a time where there are not enough players around his rank in the pool could very well be experiencing the match-ups they claim to be having.
This is also possible during peak hours due to Duo Queue and mmr volatility. You can deny it all you and dismiss the problems other players are having as bogus, but I have actual data and facts backing me up while you are just choosing to ignore anything that goes against your beliefs.
Personally I am enjoying this season, but I am still capable of recognizing the problems other players are having and am taking the time to actually investigate it instead of throwing the casual “get good” and contributing nothing useful to a thread.
there’s just one reason players are unhappy with pvp: they think they belong to higher rank than what they actually deserve
Ignorant statement to the max here. You’re either a troll or you really are trying to see how far your nose goes up kittenNet’s kitten. The system is flawed; perhaps not to the extent some are saying, but there are MASSIVE flaws in it.
I’ve seen Gold 2 players who are absolutely clueless. Is this just them trolling who freaking knows. However, it’s pathetic how stupid some of them “pvpers” actually are. They have no map awareness at all, they can’t even focus targets. Some of this has to be actual trolls, perhaps even “pro” players taking a break just to kitten around. Some could even be Anet or those close to them. When you are winning in a match and then watch as everything falls about and the players just start giving away control points, and grouping all on home etc it does make you wonder.
We all know the “pros” make multiple accounts to keep themselves at the top. Some do this and admit they do to troll the lower ranking ones. We all know Anet doesn’t want their pride and joy “pro” players actually losing to other players because it’ll make them look like kittenes. Is it any wonder why they took out allowing the top teams to try and compete to get into the pro level? The pro teams are on Anet’s payroll, that money they “win” just gets funneled back into the system. It’s an elitist club and they don’t want to lose any power.
Should just call it Guild Boxing 2, it’s as corrupt as that industry was when Don King led the charge. Complete BS, so either play the grind or don’t, it’s rigged.
Oh wow another cute little anecdotal example! ^.^ I didn’t know this happened every single time! And only to you too at that.
Guess what though… if that guy keeps losing guess where he’ll go. That’s right.
Down.
Honestly John go suck on Anet’s kitten some more. If you really want to be on Anet’s payroll you should apply for a job. The fanboys love to twist words around, I swear it’s pathetic, I never once said “it’s only happening to me” You kittening jack kitten piece of kitten.
I’m not defending ANet. You’re attacking math and statistics. Next thing I know you’re gonna be telling me evolution doesn’t exist and the Earth is 6,000 years old. Not a smart one, are you? Figured.
I’m attacking math and stats that are obviously broken. You’re defending a company that chooses to do nothing about it except maybe give 2 changes to a class over 2 months. Personally attacking me saying I’m a dumb kitten isn’t going to hide the fact your nose is shoved so far up Anet’s buttocks. If I want anymore kitten out of younext time I’ll just shake your head.
PS : We all know the Earth is flat and only 2016 years old.
So you respond with more personal insults? I thought you didn’t like that :^)
Glicko2 isn’t exclusive to ANet. It’s in used for matchmaking/skill rating in literally every competitive game ever. And yes it’s been adapted to teams, and no it doesn’t matter too much if the team is different every match.
Could classes be balanced better? Yes. Could pro players not make alts and troll/pay people to dc? Yes. Could the pool of players be larger so you’re not playing imbalanced matches? Yes. But none of the blame for any of that goes directly on the algorithm.
The good players will eventually get better ratings, the bad ones worse. I’ve seen it on my friends list. Others have seen it as well. It’s not rigged, you’re just losing.
But consider it from our point of view. We don’t know if your cherry picking. We don’t know what actually happened in game. I’ve played many games where the class stacking appeared against me. Some I’ve won, some I’ve lost.
It’s good that you are doing this. I suggest putting it all together and making a strong case. Right now, as scattered and incomplete as it is, it just doesn’t seem very convincing.
Convincing of what? Like I said, of course you can still win some stacked matches, it all depends on just how stacked the match is which depends on how many players around your mmr are in the queue.
What I’ve shown so far by pulling factual numbers provided from the very game itself is that the MM does not balance out the average mmr of two teams. If at this point you are still determined to deny facts pulled straight from the game and keep telling players that you doubt that what they are complaining about is really happening, then you are choosing to be willfully ignorant of the situation while insulting players that have legitimate complaints and just want to see improvements to the game.
That’s the problem I have with certain people. People that will turn a blind eye to all evidence of a problem existing, but are quick to rush to the forums and insult everyone that is experiencing these problems.
Personally, I’ve been on a wonderful winning streak and have been having a great time. I started monitoring the mmr of players in the match when I was having crazy blowout matches than I won way to easily or lost with no hope. I then played during off-peak ours to study the effect it had on matches, and saw that things were even worse during these hours.
Finally, you can’t honestly believe that a player is good enough to climb from low silver to mid gold, and then suddenly lost all of his skill and dropped back down to low silver, at which point he remembered how to play and climbed back up to mid gold only to repeat the process again. Having a 50% win ratio and staying in the decision you belong enjoying balanced matches is the goal, and for a lot of these players, that is not what is happening.
So you have proved that the matchmaking system works less effectively during off-peak hours?
Now who is cherry picking? You could benefit from taking the time to thoroughly read and comprehend before commenting. It’s ok if you don’t understand things, but you’re not really helping the situation here or contributing anything useful to this thread by making blind assertions. Some people here just want to see a game they enjoy playing improve.
What am I responding to with this post? The personal attacks? That people want to the game to improve?
I’m not responding to the former. I didn’t in my previous post.
As for the latter, I didn’t think that was in question.
As for the MMR issue, I’ve said before that I haven’t seen enough convincing evidence. But I’m glad that you are providing data. I wish you would provide even more.
I’ve just had two matches in a row where someones afk during the match where one was close and we lost due to the person going afk during the last minute of the match and the other where the warrior just was afk after everyone died first time.
This is pretty much what brings me down in PVP as you have no control over it and once you lose that one person you’re pretty much screwed the rest of the match. There isn’t any coming back from losing a player because they sign up and choosed to go do something else than play the thing they queued. While you can report idle players it doesn’t do anything because it doesn’t help you what so ever to do so because you already lost.
If you think this is because it’s bronze well it’s not it’s silver league which makes it even worst. I hate PVP so much for this reason I really don’t much care to play it and find PVP to be one of the funniest jokes Anet has gave us year after year.
Sure, I could choose not to play the content however than I would be missing out on rewards etc that you can’t get anywhere else. If you’re thinking well you shouldn’t do it for the rewards well maybe so but that’s my choice.
The other thing I dislike but can slightly with stand is the fact you’ll see multi classes within the same battle I’ll end up fighting three necros which will melt the team because no one has enough condi cleanse or getting three theifs, rangers or something on our team which may be good will cause a lost because it’s not good for team fights. The only upside it can happen to the other team too however that’s awful to hope.
Edit: Yep, Wonderful PVP played a match with a teamate not wearing any armor etc…. yet because he chooses to troll or fix the match everyone else suffers for that choice.
Edit Again: Then get in another match with the kittening same person kitten you anet.
BTW nice to see you’re still lurking the forums Smooth Penguin
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I’ve just had two matches in a row where someones afk during the match where one was close and we lost due to the person going afk during the last minute of the match and the other where the warrior just was afk after everyone died first time.
This is pretty much what brings me down in PVP as you have no control over it and once you lose that one person you’re pretty much screwed the rest of the match. There isn’t any coming back from losing a player because they sign up and choosed to go do something else than play the thing they queued. While you can report idle players it doesn’t do anything because it doesn’t help you what so ever to do so because you already lost.
If you think this is because it’s bronze well it’s not it’s silver league which makes it even worst. I hate PVP so much for this reason I really don’t much care to play it and find PVP to be one of the funniest jokes Anet has gave us year after year.
Sure, I could choose not to play the content however than I would be missing out on rewards etc that you can’t get anywhere else. If you’re thinking well you shouldn’t do it for the rewards well maybe so but that’s my choice.
The other thing I dislike but can slightly with stand is the fact you’ll see multi classes within the same battle I’ll end up fighting three necros which will melt the team because no one has enough condi cleanse or getting three theifs, rangers or something on our team which may be good will cause a lost because it’s not good for team fights. The only upside it can happen to the other team too however that’s awful to hope.
Edit: Yep, Wonderful PVP played a match with a teamate not wearing any armor etc…. yet because he chooses to troll or fix the match everyone else suffers for that choice.
Edit Again: Then get in another match with the kittening same person kitten you anet.
BTW nice to see you’re still lurking the forums Smooth Penguin
Sounds like you should be lobbying for harsher punishments for afks and trolls. But every time someone makes a post there is a long line of people saying that people should afk so they can save 1-2 minutes of their life and get in the next queue faster. Once again it isn’t the math behind the system that is the problem it is the behavior of the community.
One of the consequences for the current Ranked season is that people are giving up hope. I’m 31/63 because I can’t bring myself to keep playing after having bad teammates. I lost a good 10 to 15 matches that we should have won, but failed due to really poor decisions by the rest of the team. If I were 45/63, that would put me in Gold T1. I go on a small win streak, then I run into players who 4 v 1 on a point being bunkered, and other team 3 caps the whole map. If I don’t leave the queue, I’ll team with the same players(s) for the next 2 or 3 matches. /cry
Heck, I’m so disgusted by quality in Silver, that I find myself not even giving a kitten when I play. Why try hard when there’s no point? Sometimes I have teammates who don’t respond when I ask who’s taking Home before matches.
As for carrying, I will admit to this. It’s is possible to carry matches… if you’re ESL quality like Helseth. But that’s the exception, not the norm. Helseth’s skill level is far beyond what players in Bronze, Silver or Gold have. Heck, how many players in GW2 get paid to play this game? Only a handful. But saying that any good player can carry Bronze pugs, is like saying anyone can be a Victoria Secret model. For us peasants, we’re at the mercy of RNG matchmaking. I wish I were born with the natural ability to finger buttons as well as Helseth.
In GW2, Trading Post plays you!
One of the consequences for the current Ranked season is that people are giving up hope. I’m 31/63 because I can’t bring myself to keep playing after having bad teammates. I lost a good 10 to 15 matches that we should have won, but failed due to really poor decisions by the rest of the team. If I were 45/63, that would put me in Gold T1. I go on a small win streak, then I run into players who 4 v 1 on a point being bunkered, and other team 3 caps the whole map. If I don’t leave the queue, I’ll team with the same players(s) for the next 2 or 3 matches. /cry
Heck, I’m so disgusted by quality in Silver, that I find myself not even giving a kitten when I play. Why try hard when there’s no point? Sometimes I have teammates who don’t respond when I ask who’s taking Home before matches.
As for carrying, I will admit to this. It’s is possible to carry matches… if you’re ESL quality like Helseth. But that’s the exception, not the norm. Helseth’s skill level is far beyond what players in Bronze, Silver or Gold have. Heck, how many players in GW2 get paid to play this game? Only a handful. But saying that any good player can carry Bronze pugs, is like saying anyone can be a Victoria Secret model. For us peasants, we’re at the mercy of RNG matchmaking. I wish I were born with the natural ability to finger buttons as well as Helseth.
Don’t say that, Smooth. There’s no such thing as “carrying” in this game. In every game of PvP, from hotjoin to unranked to ranked to proleague, you CANNOT win a game in conquest without your teammates.
Also, stop putting proleaguers on a pedestal. They manipulated the system and knew all the tricks to stay up there. Yes, they’re excellent players, but let’s get some facts straight here.
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I will give props to ESL players though. Their skill levels are amazing. You can’t fake what you see in tourney streams. With 2 pro players on alts queuing Bronze, there’s a much higher chance to carry teams. One on separate points to hold, and the other three are delegated to roaming the map. With only one ESL player carrying, yes his teammates need to know what to do while he gets points and kills. But if you can spike down targets quickly, you’re doing the same work it takes 4 Bronze to do. What Helseth is doing is akin to Pele facing highschool opponents in a scrim. Sure you’ll roflstomp the other team, but you’re expected to.
In GW2, Trading Post plays you!