Guild Wars 2

In the past two or three days, I have had an abysmal win-loss rate. Up until then, I managed to hover between 48-52%, which I assumed was fairly normal, given that I queue solo most of the time. Since the leaderboard was reset on Saturday, I am now 28-44. I know I haven’t gotten suddenly much worse than I was before, but I have felt overmatched significantly more often than before, and I’m wondering if the reset or something else affected my MMR, or if there was some kind of change to MMR itself. I did recently rank up to bear, I’m not sure if that would have an impact, but I’m getting increasingly frustrated with imbalanced matches which, for whatever reason over the past few days, have seemed overwhelmingly in the opposing team’s favor. I don’t play for leaderboards or reward tracks or increasing rank. I just want to have fun, evenly matched fights that, even in a loss, I can at least learn something from, and it’s pretty hard to do when your team is getting rekt right from the start seven out of every ten matches. Beginning to feel like all really is vain…

What is likely happening is that the queue has more premade groups than solo players.

The matcher cannot find two teams of pure solo players.

So it puts you against organized groups that are talking to each other in voice communications, and also have better team compositions and more experience playing together. They know their roles and their strategy.

Your team of random solos is at a big disadvantage.

i am having a similar issue i was about 54% wins solo queueing ranked and this LB i am 8-12 but i also have 8 LB points which means 60%+ of my games I was expected to lose. why does anet keep using me as the expected loser? sure i’d rather team queue but i rarely have a full team available

Is there a reason more premades would be queueing up just in the past few days? I almost always check if the other side is partied and it hasn’t seemed any more often than usual. I know rank isn’t necessarily an indicator of skill, but there seem to be an awful lot of phoenix and dragon finishers in my matches. My lowly bear is scared ; ;

And yeah, I have been between rank 10 and 30 on the Lb with a few more pts than wins, so it seems i’ve been expected to lose all those matches too. So maybe MMR is fine and there’s just so few people playing? I’m really at a loss here… many losses, in fact.

man maybe I don’t know how the leaderboards work but I’ve been having this issue since the first reset specifically last night I checked my standings I was 9-5 then I won 3 ranked matches I log on today just now checked it im 10-5 missing two wins the wins were all back to back is it just me I don’t know if im missing some info any help would be nice

For me soloq is beyond frustrating now. I use to love soloq, I had over 1.5k games on the old lb while still maintaining a 65% w/l. Now almost every game I want to pull my hair out. 5-10 since they reset them. If I’m not going up against premades, then I get completely clueless players.

I don’t even want to soloq under this new system anymore, my experience has been terrible.

I don’t think the win ratio can necessarily be relied on (unless running in a premade).

I have had some really bad lose streaks (ie didn’t win outright) but still gained many points on the leaderboard on the last season. This was primarily due to often being in impossible odds matches (<0-20% of scoring 200 points).

It’s something to bear in mind that even losses are not necessarily losses when you area gaining points on the leaderboard.

To further prove this-
Total points gained =21

Solo q: — Phase 1--
9 wins with 10 loses – just under 50%. (15 points gained)

—Phase 2—
Then did some testing with some guildies on Sat [3-4 guildies/friends and a ANET person who was kind enough to join us for some fun]. We are a PvX guild so had some idea about PvP (and no idea about a lot of advanced strategies) with 3 out of 5 of the team in TS. We had no real idea what builds each other were running and only a little bit of sync between us (team composition).
Won 4 matches, lost one – points gain: 6. (Points lost from the lost match =0)

—Phase 1— solo que : felt a lot harder and it was obvious some win / loss matches from the outset with impossible odds. But I still tried my best and watch Jess kaboom (It’s kaboomy time have some fun). Little team communication often in match ups so it’s very hit n miss if you will win. There is no easy way to compare builds or sync together.

—Phase 2— full team : was running some wacky warrior build (Zeus Beckett) that I had never really tested fully apart from a couple of matches before in the solo que. Let’s just say we did really well.
The match we lost was a difference of less than 100 points.
The matches we won were really close and our last match we were fighting dragons and top 25 players (who told me from a friend in our team) and we were genuinely suprised we won. There was a difference of less than about 20 points in the win.

The main thing is the fights were awesome fun.

I’m not sure what will happen when I return to solo que and how my MMR will work now I have played some full team setups to the future matches.

When running in solo que it does feel like some matches are more impossible odds than good ones. But hey if you see “Jess Kaboom out there – I promise you’re in for a Kaboomy time – win or lose !”

I understand that ranked is tough on solo queuers. But I just don’t see a reason for so many ‘impossible odds’ matchups. I’m not learning anything getting stomped from start to finish, nor am I having any fun. I don’t care about the leaderboards or my LB pts. The fact that I’ve been top 30 or so since they reset is proof of how bad they are. I am not a top 30 player, nor top 300. Maybe top 3000? Maybe. I’ve just had a lot of time to play, and until this weekend’s terrible matchups, was really enthusiastic about PvP.

I was 70-68 in ranked before this weekend, which I figured was pretty average for solo queue. I wouldn’t have bothered posting, but going 28-44 after that seems like more than just a simple bad streak (and several of those wins came with the little time I’ve had with a full organized group on TS). It just feels like my MMR was set too high and now I’ve been thrown in the deep end, which does not benefit me or the teams I’m put on. Would appreciate if Justin or someone could take a quick look to see if that was the case.

Anet hasn’t fed the hamsters that are powering the matchmaking servers. Expect more 500-10 blowout matches!

truthishly.9513:

Is there a reason more premades would be queueing up just in the past few days?

Maybe because it is easier to win as a team and more and more people are teaming now.

And solo people get tired of being kicked around constantly and eating a loss no matter how hard they try.

the mmr wasn’t reset and I think there was some change . I am in the same boat as you are. What I noticed is that I never get to fight vs noobs anymore. So I guess that’s good but since I solo Q all the time vs people of similar skill level pugs will lose more often than not. just my guess . Where before I get a few ‘easy’ wins where now I never get a easy one .

Justin is my MMR on this account terrible or do I just keep getting paired down when I duo/trio/etc queue?

Seems like I never play with good players….

Justin ODell.9517:

I don’t believe your issue is premades. Of the 72 games you played, only three had you stacked against premades (11111 vs 311, 11111 vs 311, 2111 vs 32). Every other instance involving premades also had your team with an equivalent premade.

I’m at a loss to explain your losses. I’ll keep an eye on your account over the next few days to see if anything stands out.

Thanks for taking a look. As I mentioned above, I try checking each match, and I didn’t notice more premades than usual when I queued solo, which is why I thought it might be an issue with either my personal MMR or MMR in general. It just seems that I’m up against far more experienced groups much more often than I was prior to this weekend. I think you could see that many of these matches were not even close (losses by 200+), including some of the premade vs. premade matches.

Pretty much only going to go with premades of 3-5 in ranked going forward, where possible, and just practice other classes in unranked. It’s been so frustrating to queue solo in ranked lately, I’d rather just avoid it.

truthishly,

I queue solo and have not won a single match in two days now. Something changed.

Justin,may i ask about my MMR?
I play seldom but i dont meet High MMr player to carry me.
Sometimes i have to carry my team :p

Same here. My win ratio is 1 game won in every 3 games as opposed to 1 in every 2 games ever since the new matchmaking for solo Q.

My team always seem to comprise of random solo Qs with low level alts which is a good indication they are not experienced in their characters or PVP.

Ever since the matchmaking changes i seem to encounter more one-sided games. Either my team has 2-3 really good players or i get people with clearly very low MMR to perhaps compensate for my MMR (or maybe mine really is that bad but still – i kept getting 2-3 bad thieves every other match)? Perhaps once the professions get implemented into MMR i’ll be seeing a more positive difference. Right now the experience has been rather unpleasant because it feels like 1 out of 15 games are actually equal in strength. It’s always either one really weak player bringing entire team down or really good players matched against mediocre (this one seems like a harder issue to grind out because the last season top of the ladder was filled with average skill cap people that showed more persistence than skill). My 2-5 stack experiences are more positive though but i feel that’s only because of the fact you reduce the chances of having a dud on either team by going premade.

3 man is enough of a premade to offset a match for a win, as long as the 2 other pugs can follow a target or sit on a point. The numbers made plenty of sense to me.

Mmh, someone has to win if everyone loses, right?
Well I’m on the losing side also.
But with matches like 3 Thieves vs 3 Mesmers. Which is dumb as hell.

Can you please take a look at my matches Justin? I have been on a nonstop losing streak and it is really taking a strain on me wanting to try and continue to pvp. I seem to be sorted in teams with mostly zerkers while opponents get all the engineers/guards/wars. And only a few games felt pretty evenly matched for me while the rest were pretty much runaway losses.

U freaking serious anet? 5 pugs vs 4que gg

While we’re looking into curiosities, is there any special reason why I keep getting matched against certain people? There’s one particularly handsome guardian the system keeps matching me against. This is troublesome. I am developing feelings for my darling K****r, and I’m forced to show my affection by rekking him.

They should call it matchbreaking, not matchmaking.

Just a brief update, since going 28-44 over the weekend, I’ve been 21-12 since, so maybe it was just a really (statistically improbable) unlucky streak? Or maybe I should just stay out of solo queue on weekends…

Justin ODell.9517:

Archaon.9524:

U freaking serious anet? 5 pugs vs 4que gg

You got rekt. :o

I’m looking to figuring out exactly how that happened. Not only did it put you against a 4-player premade, you team also had a much lower rating. The rating of the other team isn’t even so high that it couldn’t find better matches.

sounds systemic

Justin ODell.9517:

It could have also been that your rating has settled closer to a proper level. Please let me know if you run into any other odd streaks or games.

That was really my question when posting this thread, as I’m not sure why my MMR would have suddenly gotten so high to begin with. I can’t remember any substantial winning streaks which could have contributed to that, as I’ve been basically ~50% my whole pvp career, slightly higher if you don’t include my first 29 ranked matches (9 wins, 20 losses) which I did mainly with friends and guildies for fun before I started taking pvp at all seriously. Anyway, just feels good to finally be winning at least as often as not.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Same here. My win ratio is 1 game won in every 3 games as opposed to 1 in every 2 games ever since the new matchmaking for solo Q.

My team always seem to comprise of random solo Qs with low level alts which is a good indication they are not experienced in their characters or PVP.

In case anyone is interested, I am not mad because I lost. In fact the score need not even be close as long as my team knows the basics of how to play their class and the PVP map mechanics they are on.

If those highly ranked players feel like RQing because they have to carry one noob; imagine what at a best average player feels when at least 2 of the rest of the team are noobs and the other team aren’t. Even if my solo Q win ratio tanked as badly as my attachment shows.

Justin ODell.9517:

Khal Drogo.9631:

In case anyone is interested, I am not mad because I lost. In fact the score need not even be close as long as my team knows the basics of how to play their class and the PVP map mechanics they are on.

You have 11 desertions in unranked arena. If those desertions happened before last Tuesday then they probably lowered your rating quite a bit. This would explain why you are getting matched with players with a skill level lower than you expect.

Desertions no longer modify MMR, so this won’t happen any more, but for some players the damage is already done. Keep playing and it will gradually move you upward.

Except I will keep getting paired with the same noobs and not against the noobs. 11 desertions in 128 games isnt that many and not all of them are voluntary. Probably a few due to crashes.

I think I will pass and play PVP only when my guild calls or the daily rewards includes the rank points and a cap point to avoid unnecessary aggravation on my part.

The old system solo Q wasnt perfect but induces much less rage.

Justin ODell.9517:

Archaon.9524:

U freaking serious anet? 5 pugs vs 4que gg

You got rekt. :o

I’m looking to figuring out exactly how that happened. Not only did it put you against a 4-player premade, you team also had a much lower rating. The rating of the other team isn’t even so high that it couldn’t find better matches.

Since it was 4 ppl premade of esl players i don’t think their rating is really that low, or it shouldn’t be at least….i don’t even want to know about my team, they pretty much died everywhere even 3v2…

to be fair i wasn’t even expecting to actually get over 100 pnts when i looked at team’s tab…as you can notice in teamchat..

I’ve been in match ups against 4q/5q as a solo or duo all night. It’s boring frankly. Loss rate vs win rate tonight is like.. 25l/5w

EDIT: Yet another 5q vs 5 soloQers. AND LOOK AT MY NON CLASS STACKING TEAM \o/

Hi Justin,

I had my weirdest spvp experience last night. I solo queued and played for 2+ hours, and lost all my matches. I lost count of how many matches that I lost, but it must be 10+ matches. Before last night, it had been very rare for me to lose more than 3 matches in a row, and I don’t think I ever had a losing streak at long as this, not even when I was learning to do spvp.

Since you have been kindly analyzing people’s data, I wonder whether you could help me as well. In particular I would appreciate if you could give me some advice explicitly: If I still would like to win about 50% of my matches (as I used to after I became familiar with spvp) under the new matchmaking system, should I avoid solo queue entirely, and try to find a team?

Justin ODell.9517:

truthishly.9513:

In the past two or three days, I have had an abysmal win-loss rate. Up until then, I managed to hover between 48-52%, which I assumed was fairly normal, given that I queue solo most of the time. Since the leaderboard was reset on Saturday, I am now 28-44. I know I haven’t gotten suddenly much worse than I was before, but I have felt overmatched significantly more often than before, and I’m wondering if the reset or something else affected my MMR, or if there was some kind of change to MMR itself. I did recently rank up to bear, I’m not sure if that would have an impact, but I’m getting increasingly frustrated with imbalanced matches which, for whatever reason over the past few days, have seemed overwhelmingly in the opposing team’s favor. I don’t play for leaderboards or reward tracks or increasing rank. I just want to have fun, evenly matched fights that, even in a loss, I can at least learn something from, and it’s pretty hard to do when your team is getting rekt right from the start seven out of every ten matches. Beginning to feel like all really is vain…

Sorry for the delay, I’ve had your game history up all day just waiting for me to respond.

I don’t believe your issue is premades. Of the 72 games you played, only three had you stacked against premades (11111 vs 311, 11111 vs 311, 2111 vs 32). Every other instance involving premades also had your team with an equivalent premade.

I’m at a loss to explain your losses. I’ll keep an eye on your account over the next few days to see if anything stands out.

Justin…please…

Justin ODell.9517:

Archaon.9524:

Justin…please…

Archaon…please…explain. I’m busy, it helps if you point me in the right direction.

Let’s say i was just wondering if i got into esl match while pugging solo….come on look at teams…

Archaon.9524:

Justin…please…

I see ‘balanced’ team on your side and 3 stacked warriors on OP side… so… please…

Morwath.9817:

Archaon.9524:

Justin…please…

I see ‘balanced’ team on your side and 3 stacked warriors on OP side… so… please…

So you don’t know who those guys are right? If you don’t just don’t reply plz…balanced lol, golden…dungeon master and reaper vs asdf……next time what? full wvsw heroes party vs CM? (And thanks god they don’t actually go ranked otherwise is probably gonna happen…)

How is your “rating system” working if i may ask? Is gonna be interesting to know who the “top” players are according to your ratings…the #1 guy on this ladder? The hambow guy who was #3 or something in the last ladder popping all stances at once? I’m curious…i bet prince vingador is higher then prototype on your rating thing…

there is something really wrong in this matchmaking…and i mean totally wrong

Archaon.9524:

Morwath.9817:

Archaon.9524:

Justin…please…

I see ‘balanced’ team on your side and 3 stacked warriors on OP side… so… please…

So you don’t know who those guys are right? If you don’t just don’t reply plz…balanced lol, golden…dungeon master and reaper vs asdf……next time what? full wvsw heroes party vs CM? (And thanks god they don’t actually go ranked otherwise is probably gonna happen…)

How is your “rating system” working if i may ask? Is gonna be interesting to know who the “top” players are according to your ratings…the #1 guy on this ladder? The hambow guy who was #3 or something in the last ladder popping all stances at once? I’m curious…i bet prince vingador is higher then prototype on your rating thing…

there is something really wrong in this matchmaking…and i mean totally wrong

it isnt safe to assume anyone knows the esl teams, the stream barely breaks 2k viewers

insanemaniac.2456:

Archaon.9524:

Morwath.9817:

Archaon.9524:

Justin…please…

I see ‘balanced’ team on your side and 3 stacked warriors on OP side… so… please…

So you don’t know who those guys are right? If you don’t just don’t reply plz…balanced lol, golden…dungeon master and reaper vs asdf……next time what? full wvsw heroes party vs CM? (And thanks god they don’t actually go ranked otherwise is probably gonna happen…)

How is your “rating system” working if i may ask? Is gonna be interesting to know who the “top” players are according to your ratings…the #1 guy on this ladder? The hambow guy who was #3 or something in the last ladder popping all stances at once? I’m curious…i bet prince vingador is higher then prototype on your rating thing…

there is something really wrong in this matchmaking…and i mean totally wrong

it isnt safe to assume anyone knows the esl teams, the stream barely breaks 2k viewers

pretty sure on pvp forum 90% of ppl doesn’t even know what esl is…but looks like this is not gonna stop them from posting

Archaon.9524:

insanemaniac.2456:

Archaon.9524:

Morwath.9817:

Archaon.9524:

Justin…please…

I see ‘balanced’ team on your side and 3 stacked warriors on OP side… so… please…

So you don’t know who those guys are right? If you don’t just don’t reply plz…balanced lol, golden…dungeon master and reaper vs asdf……next time what? full wvsw heroes party vs CM? (And thanks god they don’t actually go ranked otherwise is probably gonna happen…)

How is your “rating system” working if i may ask? Is gonna be interesting to know who the “top” players are according to your ratings…the #1 guy on this ladder? The hambow guy who was #3 or something in the last ladder popping all stances at once? I’m curious…i bet prince vingador is higher then prototype on your rating thing…

there is something really wrong in this matchmaking…and i mean totally wrong

it isnt safe to assume anyone knows the esl teams, the stream barely breaks 2k viewers

pretty sure on pvp forum 90% of ppl doesn’t even know what esl is…but looks like this is not gonna stop them from posting

no need to be a jerk about it

insanemaniac.2456:

Archaon.9524:

insanemaniac.2456:

Archaon.9524:

Morwath.9817:

Archaon.9524:

Justin…please…

I see ‘balanced’ team on your side and 3 stacked warriors on OP side… so… please…

So you don’t know who those guys are right? If you don’t just don’t reply plz…balanced lol, golden…dungeon master and reaper vs asdf……next time what? full wvsw heroes party vs CM? (And thanks god they don’t actually go ranked otherwise is probably gonna happen…)

How is your “rating system” working if i may ask? Is gonna be interesting to know who the “top” players are according to your ratings…the #1 guy on this ladder? The hambow guy who was #3 or something in the last ladder popping all stances at once? I’m curious…i bet prince vingador is higher then prototype on your rating thing…

there is something really wrong in this matchmaking…and i mean totally wrong

it isnt safe to assume anyone knows the esl teams, the stream barely breaks 2k viewers

pretty sure on pvp forum 90% of ppl doesn’t even know what esl is…but looks like this is not gonna stop them from posting

no need to be a jerk about it

when you see things like sensotix writing about mesmer’s issues (Happened some time ago) and random ppl with no clue kiking in with “mesmer op, i can’t spot the real one plz nerf” it becomes a challenge not to be a jerk

Ofc I don’t remember name of each character of each player in TCG, because such things aren’t worth memorizing.

day no. 28 of horrible match ups vs full teams. \o/

TIL a 3q+2 randoms= strong as a 5q
What about in the last 24 hours. What do those numbers show.

I wish there was a way to check this stuff on my own rather than bother you with it Justin. It certainly feels like my matchmaking has been worse since solo q was removed. or maybe its just confirmation bias from those matches where you get stomped while your team consists of people that yolo dive into turret engis, zerg points, or let pewpew rangers free cast. because those are the matches you really remember.

Welp, after one day of a reasonable win rate in solo queue, I’m back to taking tremendous losses. Rather than being overwhelmed like this past weekend, though, it feels like my matches were winnable, but the teams I’ve been put with don’t know basic rotation, stomping, etc. All they do is just trickle one by one into mid outnumbered and die again and again. It feels like my MMR has adjusted so low after that losing streak that I’m in a really inexperienced bracket right now.

On the other hand, if I look at my LB points, they haven’t taken a hit despite the ridiculous amount of losses I’ve had since the reset. I’ve been about 2-3 points above my win total with no noticeable decreases other than one point once in a great while. I might be wrong, but I can only infer from this that, for the majority of matches, my team is predicted to lose. It’s great that the system can make these predictions accurately, but the losses are really starting to wear on me, and from this and other threads, I am definitely not the only one. Obviously, the beneficiaries of these lopsided matchups aren’t going to take to the forums to complain, so there’s no way to know if those complaining form any kind of majority, but this definitely seems to point to either a serious deficiency in matchmaking or endemic lack of players available to create balanced matchups more often than not. Perhaps both.

In the bigger picture, this situation starts turning formerly enthusiastic players away from PvP, who in turn tell guildies and friends it’s really not worth doing unless they just want to grind rank points or get reward track loot, which reduces the player population further, creating increasingly imbalanced matches, and the cycle continues until this gamemode is just dead.