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Recommended level for TPVP.
30 is enough imo.
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Honestly, rank is not that important. The more you spend time in Hotjoin they more you get used to playing like a hotjoin. The best thing to do is just learn the maps in hot join, learn your build, watch a few videos on soloQ tactics play for a while and then move on up to TPvP (assuming you are solo queuing for it).
Rank has very little to do with. The fact that you are here speaks more about you than the hundreds that play this “PvP”.
tl;dr
rank means kitten. Learn the maps, your build or research other builds, watch videos on tactics, play soloQ for a while then move on up to TeamQ. You can do all of this before rank 20.
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This is an mmo forum, if someone isn’t whining chances are the game is dead.
This is an mmo forum, if someone isn’t whining chances are the game is dead.
Just start MMR off low enough and its not an issue. New players then won’t mess up high-level games while learning, and will have a better experience playing against “like-caliber” players.
If we can maintain a large enough population, this solution gets even better!
Most people at 39 or less are terrible and with the new rank point gains that number should probably be even higher.
It doesn’t matter what rank you get into tPVP. It’s just as bad as all the others. All the modes are the same. There are literally rank 50 players running around in tPVP who are doing stupid kitten like going to cap far or dueling off point. Or flat out ignoring the treb on Khylo like it isn’t there.
Just go solo arena in hopes that you won’t get the same idiot players over and over and over again.
Or get stomped on by a comp team who are playing at off-peak hours to pad their place on the leaderboard so they can kitten over how cool they are, even though comp sPVP is the worst example of how GW2 can be played.
Everyone was rank 1 at one time or another. People need to learn and you will not learn anything in hotjoins.
I also tend to find the worst players are not the low levels but rather the people who spend entire games QQing/AFK. Also new players tend to play more conservatively which makes them more predictable teammates.
The problem will never be fixed if you content lock a subset of the population and force them to play hotjoins, which do not teach anything other then how to quickly get a daily. We need new players, being kittens rather then helping will only hurt the community more.
TLDR: Grow up and stop QQing
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It doesn’t matter what rank you get into tPVP. It’s just as bad as all the others. All the modes are the same. There are literally rank 50 players running around in tPVP who are doing stupid kitten like going to cap far or dueling off point. Or flat out ignoring the treb on Khylo like it isn’t there.
And that’s from a r25 double mace warrior ! that’s how bad r50s are !
Btw, going to cap far isn’t necessarily a bad idea.
It doesn’t matter what rank you get into tPVP. It’s just as bad as all the others. All the modes are the same. There are literally rank 50 players running around in tPVP who are doing stupid kitten like going to cap far or dueling off point. Or flat out ignoring the treb on Khylo like it isn’t there.
And that’s from a r25 double mace warrior ! that’s how bad r50s are !
Btw, going to cap far isn’t necessarily a bad idea.
That dual mace was a joke build I was trying for random fun.
I learned this game’s mechanics before I was a rank 10. So yeah, the rank 50’s are bad.
Going far has massive risks and incredibly small rewards. Its a bad idea.
Glad we could straighten all that out.
It doesn’t matter what rank you get into tPVP. It’s just as bad as all the others. All the modes are the same. There are literally rank 50 players running around in tPVP who are doing stupid kitten like going to cap far or dueling off point. Or flat out ignoring the treb on Khylo like it isn’t there.
And that’s from a r25 double mace warrior ! that’s how bad r50s are !
Btw, going to cap far isn’t necessarily a bad idea.
That dual mace was a joke build I was trying for random fun.
I learned this game’s mechanics before I was a rank 10. So yeah, the rank 50’s are bad.
Going far has massive risks and incredibly small rewards. Its a bad idea.
Glad we could straighten all that out.
If your team is already winning at mid or if mid is lost and you’re outnumbered, decapping far can be a good idea (if you have good mobility, that is). You’ve understood the mechanics before r10 and you run double mace at r25…uh-uh. Should I mention utilities too? nah i’ll pass, you’ve got it all anyway.
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Most people at 39 or less are terrible and with the new rank point gains that number should probably be even higher.
And then when you lose against people below 39 they’re ofcourse playing a broken class/build and you’re clearly better than them!
No, rank means nothing ever since they decided to let people farm ranks in hotjoin.
Most people at 39 or less are terrible and with the new rank point gains that number should probably be even higher.
And then when you lose against people below 39 they’re ofcourse playing a broken class/build and you’re clearly better than them!
No, rank means nothing ever since they decided to let people farm ranks in hotjoin.
When do I lose against people 39 or below besides when mine has 20 or below. Usually I get teams with all 50+ but one low level usually makes the match one sided.
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Most people at 39 or less are terrible and with the new rank point gains that number should probably be even higher.
You are definitely wrong maybe under rank 20 but not 39
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Most people at 39 or less are terrible and with the new rank point gains that number should probably be even higher.
And then when you lose against people below 39 they’re ofcourse playing a broken class/build and you’re clearly better than them!
No, rank means nothing ever since they decided to let people farm ranks in hotjoin.
When do I lose against people 39 or below besides when mine has 20 or below. Usually I get teams with all 50+ but one low level usually makes the match one sided.
The simple truth is that there are bad players on all ranks and rank is by far more of a measurement of time invested rather than one that portrays your actual skill in the game.
As for who you lose against? I’m pretty confident you dont actually keep track of any data regarding everyone elses rank on the other team so you’re merely pulling some guesswork that strives to glorify your own ‘skill’.
Most people at 39 or less are terrible and with the new rank point gains that number should probably be even higher.
And then when you lose against people below 39 they’re ofcourse playing a broken class/build and you’re clearly better than them!
No, rank means nothing ever since they decided to let people farm ranks in hotjoin.
When do I lose against people 39 or below besides when mine has 20 or below. Usually I get teams with all 50+ but one low level usually makes the match one sided.
The simple truth is that there are bad players on all ranks and rank is by far more of a measurement of time invested rather than one that portrays your actual skill in the game.
As for who you lose against? I’m pretty confident you dont actually keep track of any data regarding everyone elses rank on the other team so you’re merely pulling some guesswork that strives to glorify your own ‘skill’.
Yeah and can you please show me the data in your kitten now? Pretty confident you’re merely pulling guesswork that strives to glorify your own ‘bullkitten’. As I said “mostly” all 39 or less ranks have no idea how to play conquest.
Rank barely means anything, there’s r50+ bads everywhere. Just put in an unranked queue, even if that means splitting the population up even more.
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No problem with ranks…after 15 also r80s are going to be bad “pimped up” r50s…
Yeah and can you please show me the data in your kitten now? Pretty confident you’re merely pulling guesswork that strives to glorify your own ‘bullkitten’. As I said “mostly” all 39 or less ranks have no idea how to play conquest.
I didn’t make any claim that requires statistical backup, bad players exists on all ranks in PvP just as they exist on all levels in PvE.
My second statement was regarding Rank being a measurement of time invested and not performance.
Now is rank performance based? Sure, just hop over to hotjoin and look at the servers, you’ll find that theres rankfarm servers with rules about what team does what to get their points. Hardly a competitive, skillbased enviroment.
That alone tells us that rank is gained by investing time rather than by performing well.
As for what you said?
When do I lose against people 39 or below besides when mine has 20 or below. Usually I get teams with all 50+ but one low level usually makes the match one sided.
Remember? “I do not lose against players below 39 unless my team has a rank 20 or below.”
Back that up why dont you?
Ranks don’t mean jack. I’m in the 40’s (before the rank point gain increase) and feel like there’s still so much to learn (i.e. still a scrub). Maybe I’m just a scrub regardless.
Though on average r20+ should know the class at least decently well and understand how maps work. You can be an r1 WvW player with the best duelling skill there is, beating everything eventually 1v1, but stuck in the wrong place at the wrong time when a teamfight needs you, and you’d be less useful than a r20 that fights less well but does so on contested points.
To reiterate what someone said to me:
Hotjoins don’t really help you learn the true map mechanics.
There’s no limit on Rank for tPvP… skill is secondary to positioning. Rotation is nearly everything in tPvP. You don’t want 1v1s. You want high mobility and 1v2 or 1v3 situations to get them off node or kill them quickly. This is much more effective with communication in /t.
Often times we lose because someone, poorly specced for (PVT GS Guards…) keeps going far and losing to things like Spirit Rangers, then someone tries to go help (bad idea), meaning that the enemy ranger is 2v1ing. Meanwhile, on midpoint we go into a prolonged 2v3 and wipe (assuming decent skilled players). Then we lose our home point when we wait for respawn.
What you want to do in every map is to try and get 2 points and hold them with bunkers while roamers help defend. Ideally that happens but we have Thieves, Mesmers and Engis focussing on decap so you have to think on the fly.
An extra person to stomp or CC really changes the outcome of the game. It’s the difference between getting the stomp off and someone ress’d to full with CDs reset.
The only way to learn tPvP is to play a lot of tPvP. Remember, position and rotation is everything (something I’m still trying to learn).
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“Multiclass implies you can actually play the class” – a certain royalty
Carrying enemy team since 2012
“Multiclass implies you can actually play the class” – a certain royalty
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From what ive seen 50 good 40 average 30 bad >30 terrible, i really dont know why but this is so obvious in last months its like people hit 40 and magicly discovers that fighting on enemy node without decapping/killing gives absolutely nothing for team, below 40 they just say “oh im keeping X people busy”
I think you should allow only rank 40 to que and then make 3 huge tutorials that explain basic play of conquest and for completing each tutorial you lower entry rank by 10… if you would repeat common knowledge multiple times then some of these thick heads will understant it.
You dont even need to be skilled and be very good at PVP, if you are in right time at right place doing right thing just by pressing 1 or F then already you are more benefical than many players who think they are pro ninjas and just do nothing for team.
This is a leaderboard problem though. Experience isn’t reflected, thus you can have r6 people at the same leaderboard rank as you…
There’s one guy that has 4 wins and 11 loses and that is around #40. Top 500( or even 1000) should consist of people with at least 100 games played.