Guild Wars 2

First of all, I will refrain from making a sarcastic comment about ele’s survival given how none died at MLG [or participated for that matter]. What I do want to ask is;

Devs, are you really “Ok” with eles status at the moment? Do you believe that giving eles a buff to staff #1 healing and their gimmick weapons, while buffing every other class at the same time will bring us back in line? What are your thoughts on survival outside water/arcane cantrips, what are your thoughts about arcane-less DPS speccs, specifically staff as a non-support weapon?

This is probably the most unbiased video I have found about eles, will leave it here, give it a watch, it will change your views.

EDIT:

Im starting to believe Anet is confusing; being emotionally attached to a class and class representation. I play mine not because I feel/am effective, but rather because Im emotionally and financially attached to my ele since all the skins (which at some point realized wasnt worth anymore to put them on my ele), gear, commander tag, contacts, dungeon story, harvesting tools, etc etc…..

Anet, get on your working pants and get to the core of ele’s issues; 80% of the time we are too busy trying to keep ourselves alive than doing something productive!

He is right, though…

Trolls apart, if this is not enough prove, then I dont know waht is.

I specifically remember the Devs saying that they buffed warriors and necros because of their poor representation. I really dont want to make hasty conclusions, but seriously, if warriors and necros got their attention because of this, and we dont, it is obvious that we are downright neglected.

Fortus.6175:

Trolls apart, if this is not enough prove, then I dont know waht is.

I specifically remember the Devs saying that they buffed warriors and necros because of their poor representation. I really dont want to make hasty conclusions, but seriously, if warriors and necros got their attention because of this, and we dont, it is obvious that we are downright neglected.

Hyperbole:

but I think Arenanet just doesn’t want to admit the problems the ele because they have require drastic steps which contradicts their shorts-sight WAIT and see approach, assuming the approach actually exist.

Another possibility but less likely (1% likely) is that they are working on fixing the ele problems and are currently testing them (I know i m funny).

How many mesmers were at MLG ?

Darnis.4056:

How many mesmers were at MLG ?

A couple

Fortus.6175:

we are downright neglected.

I’m fine with balance discussions, but stuff like this is hard to deal with. The devs do not “neglect” your profession. They created your profession and make little tweaks to it constantly to try to improve on it and make it more balanced, just like they do with the other professions.

If you disagree with a decision, or hope to see a certain change, that’s fine. But claims that the devs are running a conspiracy to ignore or punish certain sections of the playerbase…it’s impossible to believe and tarnishes any good points that might otherwise be made.

Has anybody theory-crafted a Conjure Build-Staff support type ele yet? I’ve read they’re gonna be buffed next patch. Will possibly be the new flavor sauce for ele. Who knows. I mean, I myself didn’t believe Ranger Spirits were gonna have they’re shining moment not until I saw with my own eyes the mess it caused.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Fortus.6175:

we are downright neglected.

I’m fine with balance discussions, but stuff like this is hard to deal with. The devs do not “neglect” your profession. They created your profession and make little tweaks to it constantly to try to improve on it and make it more balanced, just like they do with the other professions.

If you disagree with a decision, or hope to see a certain change, that’s fine. But claims that the devs are running a conspiracy to ignore or punish certain sections of the playerbase…it’s impossible to believe and tarnishes any good points that might otherwise be made.

That is because someone doesn’t know the definition of neglect and when i say someone I mean YOU.

definition of neglect: the action of not taking proper care of someone or something.
I think the evidence that Arenanet is neglecting the ele speaks for itself.

silvermember.8941:

NevirSayDie.6235:

Fortus.6175:

we are downright neglected.

I’m fine with balance discussions, but stuff like this is hard to deal with. The devs do not “neglect” your profession. They created your profession and make little tweaks to it constantly to try to improve on it and make it more balanced, just like they do with the other professions.

If you disagree with a decision, or hope to see a certain change, that’s fine. But claims that the devs are running a conspiracy to ignore or punish certain sections of the playerbase…it’s impossible to believe and tarnishes any good points that might otherwise be made.

That is because someone doesn’t know the definition of neglect and when i say someone I mean YOU.

definition of neglect: the action of not taking proper care of someone or something.
I think the evidence that Arenanet is neglecting the ele speaks for itself.

I’m sorry I said anything. I’ll leave you all to your thread, then.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Has anybody theory-crafted a Conjure Build-Staff support type ele yet? I’ve read they’re gonna be buffed next patch. Will possibly be the new flavor sauce for ele. Who knows. I mean, I myself didn’t believe Ranger Spirits were gonna have they’re shining moment not until I saw with my own eyes the mess it caused.

Noone’s going to take conjures seriously for PVP while they continue to be so clunky to use, and while Ele is so desperately tied to cantrips for survivability, or arcanes for burst.

/15 kisses all ovah your sexy body

No1 will make any pvp build based on conjures since they are not relible on mechanic. You lose the weapon after 1 min. You lose the weapon after charges out. You lose the weapon when you mistform. You lose the weapon when you went into water.

Conjures need mechanical rewamp for sure.

kitten s.7421:

/15 kisses all ovah your sexy body

been giving scepter a try, loving the burst, but not exactly fond of its survavility outside 1v1s

Agreed..

you know what’s funny? If we bring back the old overpowered D/D eles now the class might just be viable and not OP among all other 7…

NevirSayDie.6235:

Fortus.6175:

we are downright neglected.

I’m fine with balance discussions, but stuff like this is hard to deal with. The devs do not “neglect” your profession. They created your profession and make little tweaks to it constantly to try to improve on it and make it more balanced, just like they do with the other professions.

If you disagree with a decision, or hope to see a certain change, that’s fine. But claims that the devs are running a conspiracy to ignore or punish certain sections of the playerbase…it’s impossible to believe and tarnishes any good points that might otherwise be made.

Its a matter of perspective. Elementalists have been crap for months now. It is not unfrair to say they have been neglected in some people’s eyes. It doesn’t matter the reason why in the real world to most people. You can make 8 thousand excuses for A-net and why something doesn’t happen but you can’t change the fact they have let elementalist be weak for months. So keep making excuses for things we know nothing about, what the A-net devs spend there time on and what they are told to spend there time on, and I will stick to 100% known fact which is elementalists are weak and have been for a long time.

S/D, close thread.

Bacon.4918:

S/D, close thread.

Yes, definitely a great burst 1v1, loving it but, if you watch the video i assure you will se inherent problem it faces, and the same problem that warranted a complete buffs to warriors

Don’t worry you guys will be OP as kitten again once they nerf warrs, s/d thiefs and necros.
Ele does not need buffs. Trust me once its back to burst meta every team will run double ele again

Fortus.6175:

Bacon.4918:

S/D, close thread.

Yes, definitely a great burst 1v1, loving it but, if you watch the video i assure you will se inherent problem it faces, and the same problem that warranted a complete buffs to warriors

With s/d in team fights its best to stay really far back and when people group lighting flash in do the earth 4 blink combo burst then detarget and ride the lightning out asap.

apt.9184:

Don’t worry you guys will be OP as kitten again once they nerf warrs, s/d thiefs and necros.
Ele does not need buffs. Trust me once its back to burst meta every team will run double ele again

I’ve said this before, but….

Relying on other classes to possibly get nerfed first because a different class is any good seems like bad design.

I’m an ele player and with this ele ability now I can practice a lot in other classes which give me knowledge to all classes and also achievement points.

PS. I found out that Hammer/Longbow war works almost same as the imba D/D ele 6 month ago.

Please, no more god-mode Eles. Please do not bring that nightmare of a meta back.

Eles are fine right now. They just have the same complex as the mesmer – they are not strong against conditions, but they’re strong against everything else. When conditions get shaved, it will be much more obvious that eles are totally fine the way they are now.

zone.1073:

Please, no more god-mode Eles. Please do not bring that nightmare of a meta back.

Eles are fine right now. They just have the same complex as the mesmer – they are not strong against conditions, but they’re strong against everything else. When conditions get shaved, it will be much more obvious that eles are totally fine the way they are now.

Have you even played Ele in current s/tPvP?

Ryld.1340:

Have you even played Ele in current s/tPvP?

I’m #26 on leaderboard. Yes.

zone.1073:

Ryld.1340:

Have you even played Ele in current s/tPvP?

I’m #26 on leaderboard. Yes.

Yes, but have you played Ele? Your signature says warrior.

The risk vs reward for ele is abyssmal.

1. Outside of conditions, what do eles struggle against?

2. What’s wrong with triple cantrip ele’s survival and team support efficacy?

Both eles and mesmers are experiencing a similar difficulty in this meta, its impossible (at least i cant find any way) to build them offensively and still be able to have enough survivability, both against conditions and stun+dps.
If you fight against a warrior, you’ll definitely need 2 breakstuns to survive (note…. to survive, not necessarily to win), and then a condition removal is a must… but just one utility slotted to remove conditions cant really get it done, the amount of condition applied is way higher than a single CD.
Thats why warriors rock in the current meta…. they got almost everything. Once they put cleansing ire and berserker stance they can remove/prevent conditions while playing offensively.
To make mesmers a little closer to what warriors are now we should have shattered conditions moved down from grand master tier, to the same trait tier where cleansing ire is….. Master.
But personally i dont think its a good solution, actually i dont think there is a good solution, i think there should be just one source of dps: direct damage; conditions should only give pressure to the opponent team, reducing heals with poison, crippling, chilling, its surely wrong for them to be a different kind of burst.

The old style holy trinity was : tank – heal – dps
The trinity that GW2 should have : support – pressure/control – dps
The trinity GW2 really has: dps – condition dps – guardians

I definitely went off topic but well, its all connected.

zone.1073:

1. Outside of conditions, what do eles struggle against?

2. What’s wrong with triple cantrip ele’s survival and team support efficacy?

1) Immobilization, Survivability outside Utilities, Being Focused, and that’s all if you’re Bunker. You melt as non-bunker.

2) All cantrips (and EVERY Ele Utility) are self-only. They have no team presence in their utilities. Also, generally, a bunker or survival Ele is too busy keeping themselves alive to actually support their team. You said so yourself in a post not that long ago that you feel as if the presence of Ele’s feel diminished on the battle field because they’re too busy keeping themselves alive to actually help the team. Also, bunker ele damage is incredibly pitiful.

I think we’re just playing it wrong. I’d like to watch the devs play eles so I can learn from them, and so i might be “ok” too.

MyPuppy.8970:

I think we’re just playing it wrong. I’d like to watch the devs play eles so I can learn from them, and so i might be “ok” too.

No, no you don’t.

cuge.5398:

Both eles and mesmers are experiencing a similar difficulty in this meta, its impossible (at least i cant find any way) to build them offensively and still be able to have enough survivability, both against conditions and stun+dps.
If you fight against a warrior, you’ll definitely need 2 breakstuns to survive (note…. to survive, not necessarily to win), and then a condition removal is a must… but just one utility slotted to remove conditions cant really get it done, the amount of condition applied is way higher than a single CD.
Thats why warriors rock in the current meta…. they got almost everything. Once they put cleansing ire and berserker stance they can remove/prevent conditions while playing offensively.
To make mesmers a little closer to what warriors are now we should have shattered conditions moved down from grand master tier, to the same trait tier where cleansing ire is….. Master.
But personally i dont think its a good solution, actually i dont think there is a good solution, i think there should be just one source of dps: direct damage; conditions should only give pressure to the opponent team, reducing heals with poison, crippling, chilling, its surely wrong for them to be a different kind of burst.

The old style holy trinity was : tank – heal – dps
The trinity that GW2 should have : support – pressure/control – dps
The trinity GW2 really has: dps – condition dps – guardians

I definitely went off topic but well, its all connected.

Dont talk about “this meta”. It’s not a meta anymore, it’s just random overpowered stupid builds

AT LEAST NO ELE WAS HARMED DURING THE MLG!
haha no jk i think they should change smth thats why i did a state of the ele thread

Sensotix.4106:

AT LEAST NO ELE WAS HARMED DURING THE MLG!
haha no jk i think they should change smth thats why i did a state of the ele thread

thanks for that video, it was really good, explained many of the problem the class faces. I couldnt make a a thread like that here on sPvP because it would get tossed into the never-seen ele forum and I couldnt have that, nor I wanted to steal credit from you.

u can also make a thread in the ele forum i am not doing it for fame so you cant really stea credit from me

Sensotix.4106:

u can also make a thread in the ele forum i am not doing it for fame so you cant really stea credit from me

oh BELIEVE ME, you can scroll down the ele forum and find at least 1-2 threads per page. I have tried it all, from constructive criticism to this. For over a year too. It wasnt until now that people let go of their D/D that they have started to notice the inherent problem in all other [limited] array of weapons we have, specifically staff which i can date some of my oldest threads about staff 11 months old…

Anet just doesnt care when it comes to staff. It took forever to get water #5 to be able to move while casting. We asked for a vialbe air #3, all they did was make it go through targets, didnt take into consideration it never really hits to begin with. Lava font is still subotimal, yet you go to a necro’s forum and say “hey, since lava font is balanced, lets do the same to necros makrs” and everyone will say " unviable, wont work, dont make our class useless"

grouch actually texted me while playing and i talked to him about the ele thread i made and he said he has read it so i think they might react to it at least he seemed very motivated

good, lets see how that goes

So quick to forget how warrior saw no play for like 8 months.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

So quick to forget how warrior saw no play for like 8 months.

Well…you should be happy it was " 8 months " well spent, not only you were constantly buffed during these “8 months” as the previous version of the warrior was too complex for like 80% of you guys, now you’re finally able to kill below average eles…overall it was 8 months well spent, now you can go in PvP pop your 4s stun every 7s build…and call it skill..beatiful, it’s definitely enough to kill below average eles..GZ to you

yeah ele is in bad sitiation but its only foult of buffing necros,wars and things like that , anet dont understand that they need to start nerfing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT BUFFF , NERF!!!!!!

Lets say they gonna buff ele sustain somehow , ele will become OP with enough sustain making 15k dmg almoust intant when u cant even dodge that , thats how anet works , they are buffing buffing buffing.

PvP is dead and its anet foult , i have no idea how ppl respnsable for pvp can do stupid things like that . I thought Anet is company that can make good pvp game , they were talking about pvp , esport before realse thats why i bought this game and what??? ONE BIG BS.

Forsaker.9213:

yeah ele is in bad sitiation but its only foult of buffing necros,wars and things like that , anet dont understand that they need to start nerfing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT BUFFF , NERF!!!!!!

Lets say they gonna buff ele sustain somehow , ele will become OP with enough sustain making 15k dmg almoust intant when u cant even dodge that , thats how anet works , they are buffing buffing buffing.

PvP is dead and its anet foult , i have no idea how ppl respnsable for pvp can do stupid things like that . I thought Anet is company that can make good pvp game , they were talking about pvp , esport before realse thats why i bought this game and what??? ONE BIG BS.

cool story brah.

Saying PvP is dead doesn’t suddenly make it more dead than it was the first month after release or the last 100k times someone said it.

But there was a moment when pvp was going in right direction , we had lot of players forming teams , now they all left .

silvermember.8941:

cool story brah.

Saying PvP is dead doesn’t suddenly make it more dead than it was the first month after release or the last 100k times someone said it.

Except it is.

Ele’s are so overnerfed it’s laughable. You could double their base HP, and MAYBE they’d be viable.

feliscatus.1430:

Ele’s are so overnerfed it’s laughable. You could double their base HP, and MAYBE they’d be viable.

You need to nerf other professions…rather than create a power creeps ladder

feliscatus.1430:

Ele’s are so overnerfed it’s laughable. You could double their base HP, and MAYBE they’d be viable.

This is so true

Oh come on, I do agree with most of the complaints, but the class is not that weak.

MyPuppy.8970:

Oh come on, I do agree with most of the complaints, but the class is not that weak.

Try playing it.

Ele vs mesmer: Mesmer wins (unless he is using portal+illusion)
Ele vs warrior: Warrior wins. Always
Ele vs ranger: Ranger wins. Always
Ele vs thief: Thief wins, unless he is really bad.
Ele vs necro: Necro wins
Ele vs engi: engi wins
Ele vs guardian: No one wins.

Why would any team bring a class that is likely to lose every 1v1?

- Considering a fair 1v1 vs an equally skilled player.