Not a single class that has this ability requires it to function in the roles envisioned by the design team. Theives, Warrior’s and Ranger’s can pump out a ton of DPS without these abilities, and Engineer’s and Mesmer’s don’t need it to fulfil their roles.
I don’t know who is testing these classes that they cannot figure out a way to perform quite excellently without haste attached to 3-4 hotkeyed abilities but they probably should be on the PVE team because this does more damage to your game’s pvp than anything else.
There is zero chance of growing an Esport watching a player kill someone in 3 seconds with hotkeyed haste spam. It’s not fun, skillful or competitive in any form of pvp.
This is why you see such discontent from the pvp community, because stupid mechanics that are unnecessary are ignored for far too long while it is clearly a common sense issue more than a balancing one.
Well it had it’s place in GW1’s gameplay but you also had a whole team of 3 or 7 behind you to back you up, so if anything they may consider a lesser attack speed buff to adapt it.
Sure, get rid of Quickness but make Hundred Blades hit 33% harder while moving.
I love how this community just runs its mouth without thinking of other classes who has to have quickness to be effective. More complaints will simply come out from getting rid of quickness if ANET gives compensation to the classes who need quickness the most.
Just sad if you ask me. And no, don’t tell me to L2P. Just how do you play Warrior right now without Quickness? Bunker? But whose going to do that? I bet the majority of you can’t even prove anything anyways. So knowing that, it boggles me, why are you people even talking about quickness? Please tell me how to play a typical-Warrior without Quickness right now? Its hard without it because if they take out Quickness, THEY WILL COMPENSATE the class. And more balance issues are going to arise.
So yeah, just give up.
Since people are negative about nerfs, how about we buff to balance then?
The best warriors i fought 1 on 1 didn’t actually rely on quickness to be effective, they would wisely root me and stun me to death, instead of throwing everything into a quickness burst.
I think it’s sad if you think the only thing that makes a war viable is actually quickness.
The best warriors i fought 1 on 1 didn’t actually rely on quickness to be effective, they would wisely root me and stun me to death, instead of throwing everything into a quickness burst.
I think it’s sad if you think the only thing that makes a war viable is actually quickness.
How you know that they were best warriors? Throwing everything into quickness burst is stupid, but it can be effective against scrubs. I dont really use quickness on my warrior but i see lots of ppl using it. And i think its quite bad for people that are trying to get into PvP.
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Sure, get rid of Quickness but make Hundred Blades hit 33% harder while moving.
I love how this community just runs its mouth without thinking of other classes who has to have quickness to be effective. More complaints will simply come out from getting rid of quickness if ANET gives compensation to the classes who need quickness the most.
Just sad if you ask me. And no, don’t tell me to L2P. Just how do you play Warrior right now without Quickness? Bunker? But whose going to do that? I bet the majority of you can’t even prove anything anyways. So knowing that, it boggles me, why are you people even talking about quickness? Please tell me how to play a typical-Warrior without Quickness right now? Its hard without it because if they take out Quickness, THEY WILL COMPENSATE the class. And more balance issues are going to arise.
So yeah, just give up.
I played warrior without quickness for 4 months, was perfectly fine, no compensation needed for altering frenzy
that you can’t do it, doesn’t mean it can’t be done
I find it really really funny how they removed some elementalist utility skills from sPvP (which i saw in PvE, pretty nice aoes but nothing overpowered) and they insist in keeping quickness in sPvP which is totally absurd and everyone complains about it.
SERIOUSLY, remove quickness already, it ruins pvp more than it already is.
I think that honestly 99.9% of the playerbase agree’s with this it’s just one of those things that make you realize Anet should have hired someone else to do there PvP balance.
Completely agree. Abilities can never be balanced with haste in the game. See 100blades: Completely overpowered and pretty much unstoppable with haste, completely underpowered and slower than George W. Bush reading a childrens book without haste.
Or instead of moving it completely, they could just make it like gw1 by making it last longer but reducing the effect to 25%-33% faster and removing the penalties.
From a glass cannon point of view you need haste to finish the job because glass cannons are meant to do major damage and end you quick.
From having high toughness or medium toughness point of view I think toughness should be rescaled to counter glass cannon damage. I say this because even having over 2k toughness / 3k armor you can still be burst through as if you wearing fruit of the looms underwear on and that’s not cool at all.
So this is issue is a toughness issue because if toughness was able to negate a lot of damage depending on high your toughness is…then glass cannons with haste applied wouldn’t be a threat as to those with low toughness. ya dig?
From a glass cannon point of view you need haste to finish the job because glass cannons are meant to do major damage and end you quick.
From having high toughness or medium toughness point of view I think toughness should be rescaled to counter glass cannon damage. I say this because even having over 2k toughness / 3k armor you can still be burst through as if you wearing fruit of the looms underwear on and that’s not cool at all.
So this is issue is a toughness issue because if toughness was able to negate a lot of damage depending on high your toughness is…then glass cannons with haste applied wouldn’t be a threat as to those with low toughness. ya dig?
As a warrior with 3700 armour, I agree. Toughness scales to crap while damage only gets better. The balancing in this game all kinds of screwed up in my opinion.
I don’t wanna live a thousand years. If I just live through today, that’ll be enough.
ranger quickness does come with a down side. rangers get it through 2 different ways:
on pet swap (~30s cd, for 2s)
on QZ (~40s, for 4s)
… i don’t run QZ so i focus on crit-play (to activate rune of rage), and pet swap. but on QZ you cannot heal for those 4 seconds. and for tanky-constant healing types, as myself, QZ makes us too glassy and you would have to pop out 2 utilites to make this effective (6s invulnerability). the only reason why Ranger can competitively keep up with dps is because of Quickness, so getting rid of it means making pet’s even easier to hit with and upgrading their survivability + increasing general ranger damage.
that being said i don’t need quickness to down (i have stability, invulnerability, etc).
if a single thousand blade quickness warrior or thief is screwing you out of having fun (e.g. you’re dying too fast) go towards a more survivability build and focus on reactionary,counter combat instead of guns blazing all the time. these are glass cannons.
if you notice person A is a glass cannon screw the bunker, kill the glass cannon. it’s 20x easier to kill a gc then a well built bunker.
You realize why haste exists, right? No, it’s not because Arenanet is stupid. It’s so that even Joe Schmoe who picked up the game for the first time just yesterday can have fun in PvP.
Anyone who done a 100b build, lolheartseeker build, or almost any glass cannon build knows just how easy and satisfying it is to kill someone using the build. It provides an outlet for fun to everyone who tries sPvP, from the most grizzled veterans to the noobs.
I think it’s a smart design decision on Arenanet’s part, and eventually people will learn to play with or around it.
I have no problem with haste, and think it is a great implementation. Quickness is not too strong or bursty; it’s current state is fine. Essentially, posts like this, i.e., those bashing quickness and asking for it’s removal, are asking for the game to be made easier. If there is no quickness, the game becomes more mindless. You can decrease your awareness and not worry about dodging and evading burst attacks…
It is far from impossible to counter glass-cannon builds who utilize quickness. In fact, with practice (some more so than others), it becomes fairly easy and routine.
those bashing quickness and asking for it’s removal, are asking for the game to be made easier. If there is no quickness, the game becomes more mindless.
No, those people who doesn’t want Quickness to removed and are actively defending it are the ones who want to have the game easier and more mindless/skilless.
those bashing quickness and asking for it’s removal, are asking for the game to be made easier. If there is no quickness, the game becomes more mindless.
No, those people who doesn’t want Quickness to removed and are actively defending it are the ones who want to have the game easier and more mindless/skilless.
I’m proposing the opposite. And I have given my points. The players asking for it’s removal seem to have trouble dealing with opponents utilizing quickness. Therefore, removing quickness, in sense, creates an easier playing field for players who have not learned how to overcome these “op” opponents.
Throwing everything into quickness burst is stupid, but it can be effective against scrubs. I dont really use quickness on my warrior but i see lots of ppl using it. And i think its quite bad for people that are trying to get into PvP.