Guild Wars 2

I was just reading a thread about the news on arenanet planing to revamp spvp and remove the ranks from their system, sadly when i arrived at page 2 the thread has been deleted. So I’d like to start a new one.

I play gw2 spvp since release where not even reward chests have been implemented for tournements. Even if there is still only one game mode which lacks variation, I like to play 3-5 tourneys a day just to have some fun. I don’t care about gold and i don’t care about me being in some ladder, which is supposed to show a rank for your whole team you are playing with and not yourself as a one man army.

For me the reason to play was/is to have some fun after coming home from work and slowly working to get at least my r60 shark finisher. It took me nearly a year now to get to r44 playing tournements with different professions, I’d just like to keep on continueing and not start from scratch again after the update.

All in all i really encourage your ideas to make for exp. armor/equipment more accessible to the playerbase so that you don’t have to be rank 70+ just to show of your
Sorrows Embrace Armor and play in your tutorial skins for most of the time.
There are a lot of good changes which will give the pvp community some fresh breath.

I suggest some conversion between the old system and the new one
so that old loyal pvp veterans won’t be left out and have to quit the game
working on their long time achievment.

Keep up the good work!

Maybe you should read John’s article before criticizing it. All veterans before the ladder is implemented will be able to keep their finishers and more to show that you were there since the beginning. Don’t worry…be happy ;p
This new system sounds like an amazing new change that will get PvP more active and I’m super stoked for more game types.

It had moderator feedback was pinned. I didn’t see anything that was in violation of terms it seems to me it was deleted to keep rank removal hushed.

I for one do not want ranks to be removed in favor of a ladder system. Can’t we have both? Putting all that time into spvp just to have ranks taken away.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/player-vs-player-rewards-roadmap/
There is a main guild wars 2 page you know guys? With news, not just the forums >.>

Cush.4063:

Maybe you should read John’s article before criticizing it. All veterans before the ladder is implemented will be able to keep their finishers and more to show that you were there since the beginning. Don’t worry…be happy ;p
This new system sounds like an amazing new change that will get PvP more active and I’m super stoked for more game types.

We will be able to keep finishers but the ranking system will be null and void. So anyone who’s tried to rank up knows it took a very long time. We will never get the chance to earn other finishers. If they go on sale or end up being rewards it will just cheapen having actually earned that finisher.

It’s a really really bad idea to scrap rankings

So how about people who saved all their glory and stuff in the hopes of one day , when they get to a certain level they can buy the 18 slot bags?

Personally I still have 8 levels to go.. :s

agreed! ranks the only thing i really had in this game since i’m more a solo player and it was nice being higher rank then others due to the effort i put in.

all it needs is a rollback on the skyhammer farmers and the system is fine.

implement anything else you want but there is no need to remove ranks.

Removing ranks will separate the hard core players from the casual. Potentially making the spvp player base even smaller. If a spvp season 1 happens you’ll get pve player getting achievements for 2 weeks then nothing. Be careful not to segregate the casual pvper from the hardcore crowd. Casual pvping is really the only thing keeping pvp alive.

1. Monetary rewards needs to be better than pve content for the new gold system to work. Other wise we are going to have pve players with all the best gear. Being compensated for our current glory in gold is a start
2. We need new game modes. This above all seems more important to me than a reworked ladder system.
3. Do not take away our current ranking or ability to advance in the current ranking system

risenlord.2035:

Cush.4063:

Maybe you should read John’s article before criticizing it. All veterans before the ladder is implemented will be able to keep their finishers and more to show that you were there since the beginning. Don’t worry…be happy ;p
This new system sounds like an amazing new change that will get PvP more active and I’m super stoked for more game types.

We will be able to keep finishers but the ranking system will be null and void. So anyone who’s tried to rank up knows it took a very long time. We will never get the chance to earn other finishers. If they go on sale or end up being rewards it will just cheapen having actually earned that finisher.

It’s a really really bad idea to scrap rankings

I was addressing the errors and complaints in your posts thus being

1. - Not catering to the veterans of the game and completely taking away finishers which is not true at all and
2. - That they removed a post from the forums to hide the removal of the rank system when it is posted right smack on the front page.

And that’s all I was commenting on

Cush.4063:

risenlord.2035:

Cush.4063:

Maybe you should read John’s article before criticizing it. All veterans before the ladder is implemented will be able to keep their finishers and more to show that you were there since the beginning. Don’t worry…be happy ;p
This new system sounds like an amazing new change that will get PvP more active and I’m super stoked for more game types.

We will be able to keep finishers but the ranking system will be null and void. So anyone who’s tried to rank up knows it took a very long time. We will never get the chance to earn other finishers. If they go on sale or end up being rewards it will just cheapen having actually earned that finisher.

It’s a really really bad idea to scrap rankings

I was addressing the errors and complaints in your posts thus being

1. - Not catering to the veterans of the game and completely taking away finishers which is not true at all and
2. - That they removed a post from the forums to hide the removal of the rank system when it is posted right smack on the front page.

And that’s all I was commenting on

I am not the op. The post referenced was pinned by a moderator which is now gone. I never said they were taking away our finishers just the ability to gain them with our current ranking system

But I do have one thing to say that is my personal opinion. It seems as though the devs put all this hard work into creating this game only to get completely bashed and hated on about something that is in the game. Then everyone rages about how they want it changed (take the current PvP system for example: people complaining about why tpvp is dead and so on) and then the devs listen to all your opinions even if it is in hate and put in a big change only to get bashed in on that as well when all they’re trying to do is help and make our game experience better and the way we want it. I feel this criticism could be handled in a much better way. If people would make a post in a professional manner that is not bashing in the devs and threatening to quit cause of a nerf or change in the game and list what you think could be different I believe it would be a much better environment and the devs would appreciate the advice much more. Just saying g cause if I was a dev I would hate everyone and say kitten it (luckily I’m not one) lol. And I’m not specifically targeting anyone in this thread but the community as a whole.

risenlord.2035:

Cush.4063:

risenlord.2035:

Cush.4063:

Maybe you should read John’s article before criticizing it. All veterans before the ladder is implemented will be able to keep their finishers and more to show that you were there since the beginning. Don’t worry…be happy ;p
This new system sounds like an amazing new change that will get PvP more active and I’m super stoked for more game types.

We will be able to keep finishers but the ranking system will be null and void. So anyone who’s tried to rank up knows it took a very long time. We will never get the chance to earn other finishers. If they go on sale or end up being rewards it will just cheapen having actually earned that finisher.

It’s a really really bad idea to scrap rankings

I was addressing the errors and complaints in your posts thus being

1. - Not catering to the veterans of the game and completely taking away finishers which is not true at all and
2. - That they removed a post from the forums to hide the removal of the rank system when it is posted right smack on the front page.

And that’s all I was commenting on

I am not the op. The post referenced was pinned by a moderator which is now gone. I never said they were taking away our finishers just the ability to gain them with our current ranking system

Wasn’t referencing you in first point. Was the original post.

They took our land, they took our jobs!
Now they’re taking our ranks, kitten this kitten!

This whole revamped ranking system just seems poorly implemented to me. Devs have had ample time to get things rights but day after day we wait for anything substantial to come out for pvp. When we do finally get news it seems more like Anet is going to do what they want no matter what we suggest.

The problems with the current tpvp and solo queue was a matter of ranking. Constantly being queued up against teams with to high or to low in ranking. Being a rank 30 paired with rank 10s in solo queue.

Not having enough game modes is another huge issue not being addressed. We need more game modes. We’ve been playing team deathmatch for 16 moths now. Where’s capture the flag, deathmatch, siege and defend, king of the hill.

Totally gutting the current ranking system without taking player feedback into consideration is a huge mistake. It seems like the new rewards system is meant to blindside us from what really happening. Remove ranking but its okay if we give the players new shineys.

Cush.4063:

Maybe you should read John’s article before criticizing it. All veterans before the ladder is implemented will be able to keep their finishers and more to show that you were there since the beginning. Don’t worry…be happy ;p
This new system sounds like an amazing new change that will get PvP more active and I’m super stoked for more game types.

I’m super stoked for new game types aswell
Remember it’s just the tip of the iceberg

I’ve read John’s article and i see a lot of good ideas i’m excited about, I think pvp now is going in the right direction but i don’t want to keep my finishers i want to progress to the finisher i started to play for :/

Acandis.3250:

They took our land, they took our jobs!
Now they’re taking our ranks, kitten this kitten!

they took our ranks!!

I will be honest with you guys , removing this broken rank system is great idea! Whst is that , u are farming some glory to get ranks and better gear but even guys rank 60+ can have no clue what to do in competetive team so why should we even have this , current rank dont mean anything so i am realy happy that it will be removed

i wrote it in this cdi thread but dont think anysone read all this posts cause its just suggestions from everyone not reading anything^^

so suggestion how everyone could be happy:

- remove ranks
- Add the finishers as reward to the titles like Ransacker, MArauder and so on

both sides happy – arenanet and palyerz^^

Forsaker.9213:

I will be honest with you guys , removing this broken rank system is great idea! Whst is that , u are farming some glory to get ranks and better gear but even guys rank 60+ can have no clue what to do in competetive team so why should we even have this , current rank dont mean anything so i am realy happy that it will be removed

It doesn’t show player skill, it means ,,time has been spent’’ and if you work over a year for some long term goal, it shouldn’t be diluted. The Guild Wars 2 Def’s have a lot of information about how long people played the game and which approach they took to get their ranks.

A conversion of your actual wins over time
into a ,,new rank system’’ for the finishers would be a nice idea

I’ve been working since the beginning on my R42 with 700+ tournament victories. No exploiting and no Hot Join farming. I don’t care if some people cheated to R60+, but I did work hard for what I achieved in PVP and it sucks that all of it will be destroyed. Yes, my finishers remain, but the rest is gone and there is no more lasting progress to achieve.

But this rank system dont help in anything.Progresion? What progresion , that u farm hotjoins zerg from point to point and have no idea what to do in tpvp?? Rank system was bad since start and most of good player know that , it was not promoting your skill but time u spend to farm glory so tell me why should we have smt like this?? Pvp system should tell how ppl are good not how much time they have for farming hotjoins , ofc there are ppl who play only soloque or team que but every good player will agree with me that current system is bad and removing it is good idea.

The thing is, that a ladder system won’t show the player’s skill as well. It shows the time people invest to play. Just because I’m not playing 24/7 I won’t have a chance to get a good ranking in the ladder. That’s what sucks in my opinion.

i get what you’re saying forsaker but they can implement other stuff to improve the game, there is no reason to remove ranks unless there just trying to boost the population in tournys.

i however can’t even tourny due to my net disconnecting by how the rosters are formed.

tho i do only hotjoin, i still know how to tpvp. it doesn’t take a genius to figure that part out.
they should keep ranks in game in my opinion.

Forsaker.9213:

But this rank system dont help in anything.Progresion? What progresion , that u farm hotjoins zerg from point to point and have no idea what to do in tpvp?? Rank system was bad since start and most of good player know that , it was not promoting your skill but time u spend to farm glory so tell me why should we have smt like this?? Pvp system should tell how ppl are good not how much time they have for farming hotjoins , ofc there are ppl who play only soloque or team que but every good player will agree with me that current system is bad and removing it is good idea.

i know ranks are meaningless atm man..but just tell me…i had phoenix in gw1 and my goal was to get it here too (Without sh farm), bought this game pretty much for it…and now?

The point isn’t wether or not the current system is good or bad. The point is we’ve already spent countless hours ranking up. Take that away and what do we have to show for it?
Assuming that we are all bad tpvp players because we want to keep our ranks doesn’t make sense. We have leaderboards.

hotjoins + curent rank system promote brainles farming/spaming/zerging , then on soloque u have 5 ppl caping one point , i respect your opinions guys , my opinion is just diffrent , and if the system change will improve curent state of the game (wich i think willl) i can deal that my time spended doing tournaments to get my rank will be how to say it “removed” , with current state of pvp wicth is on critical level i am up for any change , those changes are big thats why i am looking with optimism for the next monhts and i hope devs will finaly improve pvp. Like i dont care atm abour rank/gear/leeder i want this game to be realy good pvp competetive game with big commiunity , esport?? yes it will come easy when we will get good ppl base and reword/leeder system

They are taking out the rank finishers which is kind of sad, I am trying to work my way to the shark one but it won’t be there with the new system, unless my current progress carries over to earn the new variant of the shark finisher But either way it won’t be the current finisher since they say original rank finishers that you don’t have will be unavailable.

I wonder if a dev could comment on an ETA of the rank removal. I’m sure we’d all like to get one more rank before they’re gone forever, and figuring out if that’s possible is probably a big deal to a lot of people.

Fluffball.8307:

I wonder if a dev could comment on an ETA of the rank removal. I’m sure we’d all like to get one more rank before they’re gone forever, and figuring out if that’s possible is probably a big deal to a lot of people.

It will take let’s say 6 months (maybe more) to get 70 from 62…just saying..

The were entirely unclear as to the duration of these changes though. Rank removal is at the end of something they say will take a long time. I for one would like to know if I have time to make it to the next rank, or if I would spend 3 months on it and then fail at the last second.

I just don’t see the reason for removing the rank system when it will become purely cosmetic once the new changes are introduced.

I predict they’ll do a Blizzard; remove ranks and then re-add them once again when people complain about a lack of personal progression in PvP.

I cefinitely don’t want to see rank removed in any way shape or form. I agree that we definitely need ladder progression, and I definitely agree that rank mean ‘nothing’ at the minute – but that NOTHING is all we’ve had to work with in pvp for over a year with zero incentive [some of the best looking gear can be earned at rank 1 walking into solo que], people have been earning ranks just from shudder enjoying pvp and playing it a lot.

DO NOT take that away from us, move things forward yes but don’t delete our progress up to now.

Rank progression will be removed, but the rank you have at that time will stay!

its not deleting anyone progress, its actually gives prestige. Vets vs Newer players.

google.3709:

Rank progression will be removed, but the rank you have at that time will stay!

its not deleting anyone progress, its actually gives prestige. Vets vs Newer players.

I don’t want my current rank. I want the one that gives me the finisher that I was aiming for. A new title or some other BS replacement isn’t going to cut it. I don’t want prestige.

It’s not deleting progress, but its barring it. Anyone who wasn’t lucky enough to get there, well, it might as well have been deleted because it was otherwise pointless.

Sea.5732:

agreed! ranks the only thing i really had in this game since i’m more a solo player and it was nice being higher rank then others due to the effort i put in.

all it needs is a rollback on the skyhammer farmers and the system is fine.

implement anything else you want but there is no need to remove ranks.

see above…