Guild Wars 2

Rev is having a harder time holding their own in this new condi meta. One simple buff should help out. Add stability to either a staff skill or a legendary dragon skill.

Why don’t you just use condi rev instead.

Did you confuse stability with resistance?

But yeah, would be great to have some condi defense on a power build aswell. Being expected to run a condi build in order to not instantly be devoured by condi’s is kind of stupid.

Don’t think it should be on glint though, that legend has way too much random stuff going for it as is, but would be a great update to staff and make #4 more relevant.

Kuya.6495:

Why don’t you just use condi rev instead.

Did any team use a condi Rev in UGO tournament?

Yeah condi rev is trash, even worse than power rev in some cases if the other team is at least decent enough. People just think that condi rev is super good, when in reality, people don’t know how to save condi clears.

Buran.3796:

Kuya.6495:

Why don’t you just use condi rev instead.

Did any team use a condi Rev in UGO tournament?

Not necessarily what works in solo queue is also great for organized 5v5s. Take for example DH.

I can tell that Condi Rev is still pretty bad, much better than before but still bad in general. The buffs only helped with its PvE viability.

I don’t understand how dragon hunter and rev are allowed to be in the same game.

Please do not do that. Rev is in a great spot at the moment.

I agree with OP. Rev is on the weaker side of the meta now. Staff could use some buffs. Either a reduced cast time on staff 2 or adding a way to gain stability on one of the moves sounds like a start.

I guess you guys haven’t noticed but there isn’t a single weapon skill in this game that grants Stability directly. Ofc, rev could be the class to break this rule but I think it’s unlikely.

The likeliest place they’ll consider putting Stab is Legend Swapping, and more specifically the traits Empty Vessel or Cleansing Channel.

Curious how noone here mentioned sigil rework. It affected rev more than it did anybody (except maybe fresh air ele, since the air sigil was like 25% of its sustained damage). That’s why power rev is so weak right now, condi still needs work before it will work.

Tomiyou.3790:

Curious how noone here mentioned sigil rework. It affected rev more than it did anybody (except maybe fresh air ele, since the air sigil was like 25% of its sustained damage). That’s why power rev is so weak right now, condi still needs work before it will work.

This is true, Power Rev’s burst is non existent right now. Precision Strike does pitiful damage since the last nerf and the same goes for Surge of the Mists. Their sustained damage/pressure is average at best.

What most people never actually knew is that most of Rev’s burst (which wasn’t easy to pull either) consisted of a double Swap Sigil trigger effect (weapon swap + legend swap) combined with Equilibrium (Having above 50% energy before legend swapping which is far from easy when under pressure). At least the class was High Risk/High Reward back then but now it just kept an even Higher Risk but with a Medium Reward.

i dont think that rev needs stab since they already have many evades and breakstuns but idk a buff to its condi counter potential or a straight nerf to condi i would like

jbondo.9817:

Please do not do that. Rev is in a great spot at the moment.

Can’t tell if trolling. If it isn’t, then soloq ranked with rev. Gl with that.

I have to say that I disagree on this post, however I understand your thoughs so I’ll just tell you what’s my opinion about rev at the moment and what I think that holds alot of people back when they try to play this class in ranked.
First of all I have to say that after the sigils rework you can easily have access to more condi removals if you think you need them, however, a big part of playing rev vs heavy condi comps is preventing the condis by either dodging, blocking or even line of sighting and not by spamming condi removals like ele/druid/mesm/engi. Second, despite condi rev being playable and decent right now, its definitely not as good as power at least when you are playing vs top tier players, so you better stick with your power build and practice it as much as you can.
Now, despite what many people might say, power rev is not a bad class for solo Qs. Eventually, we all know that atm if you want to be placed in top 10 or even top 20, you will have to duo Q with someone because you cant rly solo carry games with any class, although, I can tell you that rev, because of its role’s variety, is one of thr best classes for solo Q, you just have to know what role you will have to perform in each different kind of comps for example: if you have a tanky heavy tf comp with 1 or 2 side noders (engi,druid…) you will have to roam like a thief unless you have one in your team; if you have a squishy team without node olders you either try to cheese Tfs by insta killing or you try to do a sidenoder’s job by pushing good MUs and holding nodes vs classes that wont kill you (mesm, maybe thief if you areny rdy to face this MU or if you kitten up), keep in mind that you shouldnt die in any 1v1 situation as you have the tools to safely disengage , the only way you might die is if you get plused 1; if you have a thief comp with enough sustain to hold tfs and such, try to predict you thief’s role, dont steal him his role, teamfight when you think you can win it, push 1v1s when you predict your thief will come for the plus 1. Ofc this is situational and it depends on the enemy skill but my point is that rev , having in mind that you are mechanically decent, if you rotate well is imo actually one of the strongest classes for solo Q

Why would you want to buff the already necessary weapon or legend? Instead, make Centaur or Dwarf more viable. Or better yet, actually freaking nerf conditions so that we don’t have to run as many cleanses as possible.

As I said on other post, just reduce staff 4 cast time and it’s all good, don’t even need to reduce the cd. You cast renewing wave to clear condis and at the end you get more condis while casting it because your only way to clean condis besides swaps is way too slow.

or maybe just revert the retribution nerf where we used to have stability on dodge?

Also Surge of the Mists should be renamed in pvp because “surge” does seem to imply some kind of powerful force and right now i yawn when i get hit by SoTM.

trekon.6752:

I have to say that I disagree on this post, however I understand your thoughs so I’ll just tell you what’s my opinion about rev at the moment and what I think that holds alot of people back when they try to play this class in ranked.
First of all I have to say that after the sigils rework you can easily have access to more condi removals if you think you need them, however, a big part of playing rev vs heavy condi comps is preventing the condis by either dodging, blocking or even line of sighting and not by spamming condi removals like ele/druid/mesm/engi. Second, despite condi rev being playable and decent right now, its definitely not as good as power at least when you are playing vs top tier players, so you better stick with your power build and practice it as much as you can.
Now, despite what many people might say, power rev is not a bad class for solo Qs. Eventually, we all know that atm if you want to be placed in top 10 or even top 20, you will have to duo Q with someone because you cant rly solo carry games with any class, although, I can tell you that rev, because of its role’s variety, is one of thr best classes for solo Q, you just have to know what role you will have to perform in each different kind of comps for example: if you have a tanky heavy tf comp with 1 or 2 side noders (engi,druid…) you will have to roam like a thief unless you have one in your team; if you have a squishy team without node olders you either try to cheese Tfs by insta killing or you try to do a sidenoder’s job by pushing good MUs and holding nodes vs classes that wont kill you (mesm, maybe thief if you areny rdy to face this MU or if you kitten up), keep in mind that you shouldnt die in any 1v1 situation as you have the tools to safely disengage , the only way you might die is if you get plused 1; if you have a thief comp with enough sustain to hold tfs and such, try to predict you thief’s role, dont steal him his role, teamfight when you think you can win it, push 1v1s when you predict your thief will come for the plus 1. Ofc this is situational and it depends on the enemy skill but my point is that rev , having in mind that you are mechanically decent, if you rotate well is imo actually one of the strongest classes for solo Q

Pretty kitten solid post, tho I would argue that thief and mesmer are still the strongest classes for soloQ due to their playmaking potential.

The reason I request access to stability is that Rev is a heavy armor class. Being able to secure kills in a team fight is a must for heavy armor classes.

Rev doesnt need anything really in my opinion, a very very slight buff if any at all. Dont tell me to go soloq rev i do that on stream without armor.

HamHat.5201:

The reason I request access to stability is that Rev is a heavy armor class. Being able to secure kills in a team fight is a must for heavy armor classes.

Secure kills as in? If you’re talking about stomps pretty much no one stomp nowadays unless you have terrible cleaving potential like bunker ele or druid. This is even more so with power rev since you have quickness cleave.

If you’re talking about damage in teamfight then rev does fall a little short. But warrior also doesn’t have as impressive teamfight cleaving and it tend to focus on single target damage. Guard has better teamfight ability with symbol build but its only more reliable if enemy is committed to fight on node.

If you’re talking about condi like fear then I’m with trekon on this.

Koto.1824:

jbondo.9817:

Please do not do that. Rev is in a great spot at the moment.

Can’t tell if trolling. If it isn’t, then soloq ranked with rev. Gl with that.

I climbed to plat with it.

I was lucky enough to have people who were willing to play support.

I think they need to give energy cost reductions to SoTM and Precision Strike to coincide with their damage nerfs. Because right now, ya they’re good for cc and kiting respectively, but SoTM is barely even worth using outside of covering a rez/securing a down unless you’re A.) Already on staff and B.) About to swap legends anyways.

back in the day it used to be “Oh crap its a Rev on enemy team”. Now its “Oh cool its a Rev on enemy team” you know Anet went too far with the nerfs. And no im not talking about legend ranked players who would be good on any class im talking about the average Rev player out there in lower tiers.

As someone mentioned, reduced cast time on Staff #4 would be a decent change. It’s just unecessary long for a rather mediocre healing (even with healing power) and some condi cleanse.

There are issues with Revenant, many weapon skills could use love because they’re either boring (Sword 2, Sword 3), don’t work (Sword 5) or can’t really fullfill their role (Staff 2 being an interrupt with longer total cast time than most skills it is to interrupt).

However, Revenant itself right now, in meta power build, is actually relatively balanced and it’s single biggest problem isn’t some skill or trait, but Thief being so dominant. If Thief stops being as oppressive to Revenant, you’ll see more of Revenant.

These two classes seem to really hate each other, since the dawn of HoT.

Kuya.6495:

Buran.3796:

Kuya.6495:

Why don’t you just use condi rev instead.

Did any team use a condi Rev in UGO tournament?

Not necessarily what works in solo queue is also great for organized 5v5s. Take for example DH.

But DH was used in the tournament, so at least has some viability at top game, aside from being good vs mediocre players. Condi Rev has both no use at top game and is also a poor choice vs unorganized teams.

Rev is pretty good when played by good players, but a majority of people on the forums aren’t so you’ll get a lot of complaining

I made it to platinum with a condi rev. It can’t be that bad =/

igotswings.7520:

I made it to platinum with a condi rev. It can’t be that bad =/

I scored 100 points below plat using condi Rev in the classification matches, no big deal. Is a disgusting ballast. Is mostly a PvE pony and the tournament roster shows it.