Guild Wars 2

This profession has had an interesting history, from being almost unusable to becoming the staple on any serious team. People might disagree with me on this, but one issue I’ve always had with the revenant in pvp is that it doesn’t feel like it knows what it wants to be.

Power shiro, the most prominent build in it’s history, is really just a thief. Once they were able to take their role back as the sort of glassy but very mobile dps, they don’t have much to work with. The revenant is a heavy class, but it doesn’t really take hits (conditions for that matter) very well.

Thief and mesmer used to suffer from this problem for the longest time, the reason old fashioned shatter power mesmer didn’t work is because it was heaviy countered by thief but trying to fight for that role of “glassy mobile dps guy” and failed. Once mesmer started to lean towards it’s own role, the really annoying confusion, manipulation with portal it started to stand on it’s own. Thats what we need right now. Thief and mesmer are now doing their own things, revenant needs to do the same.

DrDivine.5378:

This profession has had an interesting history, from being almost unusable to becoming the staple on any serious team. People might disagree with me on this, but one issue I’ve always had with the revenant in pvp is that it doesn’t feel like it knows what it wants to be.

Power shiro, the most prominent build in it’s history, is really just a thief. Once they were able to take their role back as the sort of glassy but very mobile dps, they don’t have much to work with. The revenant is a heavy class, but it doesn’t really take hits (conditions for that matter) very well.

Thief and mesmer used to suffer from this problem for the longest time, the reason old fashioned shatter power mesmer didn’t work is because it was heaviy countered by thief but trying to fight for that role of “glassy mobile dps guy” and failed. Once mesmer started to lean towards it’s own role, the really annoying confusion, manipulation with portal it started to stand on it’s own. Thats what we need right now. Thief and mesmer are now doing their own things, revenant needs to do the same.

It was jack of all trades (and master of none), but the saltiness of people destroyed the class and now it does at best an average job at niche things, it’s pretty sad because arguably it’s one of the most interesting classes, both mechanically and thematically.

And you can see how people in general don’t give kitten about balance when they keep expressing how happy they are that the class they hate is almost unusable and hope it stays dead.

XxsdgxX.8109:

DrDivine.5378:

This profession has had an interesting history, from being almost unusable to becoming the staple on any serious team. People might disagree with me on this, but one issue I’ve always had with the revenant in pvp is that it doesn’t feel like it knows what it wants to be.

Power shiro, the most prominent build in it’s history, is really just a thief. Once they were able to take their role back as the sort of glassy but very mobile dps, they don’t have much to work with. The revenant is a heavy class, but it doesn’t really take hits (conditions for that matter) very well.

Thief and mesmer used to suffer from this problem for the longest time, the reason old fashioned shatter power mesmer didn’t work is because it was heaviy countered by thief but trying to fight for that role of “glassy mobile dps guy” and failed. Once mesmer started to lean towards it’s own role, the really annoying confusion, manipulation with portal it started to stand on it’s own. Thats what we need right now. Thief and mesmer are now doing their own things, revenant needs to do the same.

It was jack of all trades (and master of none), but the saltiness of people destroyed the class and now it does at best an average job at niche things, it’s pretty sad because arguably it’s one of the most interesting classes, both mechanically and thematically.

And you can see how people in general don’t give kitten about balance when they keep expressing how happy they are that the class they hate is almost unusable and hope it stays dead.

You mean it was shipped overpowered compared to all other Classes forcing Multiple classes out of their Roles for close to a Year.

Sorry the Rev finally got a dose of reality, maybe now they will start fixing its plethora of bugs instead of making it rely on overpowered skills.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

XxsdgxX.8109:

DrDivine.5378:

This profession has had an interesting history, from being almost unusable to becoming the staple on any serious team. People might disagree with me on this, but one issue I’ve always had with the revenant in pvp is that it doesn’t feel like it knows what it wants to be.

Power shiro, the most prominent build in it’s history, is really just a thief. Once they were able to take their role back as the sort of glassy but very mobile dps, they don’t have much to work with. The revenant is a heavy class, but it doesn’t really take hits (conditions for that matter) very well.

Thief and mesmer used to suffer from this problem for the longest time, the reason old fashioned shatter power mesmer didn’t work is because it was heaviy countered by thief but trying to fight for that role of “glassy mobile dps guy” and failed. Once mesmer started to lean towards it’s own role, the really annoying confusion, manipulation with portal it started to stand on it’s own. Thats what we need right now. Thief and mesmer are now doing their own things, revenant needs to do the same.

It was jack of all trades (and master of none), but the saltiness of people destroyed the class and now it does at best an average job at niche things, it’s pretty sad because arguably it’s one of the most interesting classes, both mechanically and thematically.

And you can see how people in general don’t give kitten about balance when they keep expressing how happy they are that the class they hate is almost unusable and hope it stays dead.

You mean it was shipped overpowered compared to all other Classes forcing Multiple classes out of their Roles for close to a Year.

Sorry the Rev finally got a dose of reality, maybe now they will start fixing its plethora of bugs instead of making it rely on overpowered skills.

First one, here we go. Good mature community proving my points.

Lets hope it stays that way for a good long while now.

XxsdgxX.8109:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

XxsdgxX.8109:

DrDivine.5378:

This profession has had an interesting history, from being almost unusable to becoming the staple on any serious team. People might disagree with me on this, but one issue I’ve always had with the revenant in pvp is that it doesn’t feel like it knows what it wants to be.

Power shiro, the most prominent build in it’s history, is really just a thief. Once they were able to take their role back as the sort of glassy but very mobile dps, they don’t have much to work with. The revenant is a heavy class, but it doesn’t really take hits (conditions for that matter) very well.

Thief and mesmer used to suffer from this problem for the longest time, the reason old fashioned shatter power mesmer didn’t work is because it was heaviy countered by thief but trying to fight for that role of “glassy mobile dps guy” and failed. Once mesmer started to lean towards it’s own role, the really annoying confusion, manipulation with portal it started to stand on it’s own. Thats what we need right now. Thief and mesmer are now doing their own things, revenant needs to do the same.

It was jack of all trades (and master of none), but the saltiness of people destroyed the class and now it does at best an average job at niche things, it’s pretty sad because arguably it’s one of the most interesting classes, both mechanically and thematically.

And you can see how people in general don’t give kitten about balance when they keep expressing how happy they are that the class they hate is almost unusable and hope it stays dead.

You mean it was shipped overpowered compared to all other Classes forcing Multiple classes out of their Roles for close to a Year.

Sorry the Rev finally got a dose of reality, maybe now they will start fixing its plethora of bugs instead of making it rely on overpowered skills.

First one, here we go. Good mature community proving my points.

Revenant was indeed broken for the longest time, that being said, that doesn’t mean it deserves to be outclassed, but it does need it’s own role without being completely broken. Really only two of the stances or whatever you call them have been used with real success.

I feel the revenant has good potential to be an interesting class, but it needs to stop being this squishy (yet heavy) thief and bring something different. Maybe a weird hybrid of two roles I’m not sure but something.

#makecondirevgreatagain (or #makecondirevgreatforthefirsttimeever if you prefer)

Entenkommando.5208:

#makecondirevgreatagain (or #makecondirevgreatforthefirsttimeever if you prefer)

People can hate condi revenant and I don’t blame them to an extent, it was very broken at one point lol.

But it felt very unique though the way it could deal damage and provide support via resistance. I say bring it back in some shape or form.

No sympathy for em at all.

They had their ‘YEAR’ in the sun, and Anet will soon(sp) get around to ‘fixing’ em—hopefully after they fix the other classes.

Yes I am selfish, yes I’m still salty <shrug>

RIP Rev’s….I wont miss you

It’s an easy counter to power classes, and performs acceptably against condi burst classes with good Glint usage, but is very lacklustre when reliable condi classes are in the mix. UA is also an absolute pain to deal with in a 1v1 situation where Rev seems to excel due to high blocks, stability and good burst potential.

Reading all the changes and watching all the raw footage i gathered playing against before season start I’d say Rytlock solo or team was still in good place. Just wear that blindfold and ignore everything.

XxsdgxX.8109:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

XxsdgxX.8109:

DrDivine.5378:

This profession has had an interesting history, from being almost unusable to becoming the staple on any serious team. People might disagree with me on this, but one issue I’ve always had with the revenant in pvp is that it doesn’t feel like it knows what it wants to be.

Power shiro, the most prominent build in it’s history, is really just a thief. Once they were able to take their role back as the sort of glassy but very mobile dps, they don’t have much to work with. The revenant is a heavy class, but it doesn’t really take hits (conditions for that matter) very well.

Thief and mesmer used to suffer from this problem for the longest time, the reason old fashioned shatter power mesmer didn’t work is because it was heaviy countered by thief but trying to fight for that role of “glassy mobile dps guy” and failed. Once mesmer started to lean towards it’s own role, the really annoying confusion, manipulation with portal it started to stand on it’s own. Thats what we need right now. Thief and mesmer are now doing their own things, revenant needs to do the same.

It was jack of all trades (and master of none), but the saltiness of people destroyed the class and now it does at best an average job at niche things, it’s pretty sad because arguably it’s one of the most interesting classes, both mechanically and thematically.

And you can see how people in general don’t give kitten about balance when they keep expressing how happy they are that the class they hate is almost unusable and hope it stays dead.

You mean it was shipped overpowered compared to all other Classes forcing Multiple classes out of their Roles for close to a Year.

Sorry the Rev finally got a dose of reality, maybe now they will start fixing its plethora of bugs instead of making it rely on overpowered skills.

First one, here we go. Good mature community proving my points.

This deserved a meme because some tears need evaporating.

People care about balance. Which is why they’re so happy the unbalanced Revenant has been knocked down a peg until such time as it can be properly developed.

SotM is STILL powerful. That should give you an indication of how broken it was.

It used to be that you were looking over your shoulder for when the Rev burst would 100-0 you in 2 sec. Now I’m like meh, when the Rev hits me i’ll know its there and will have time to choose one of the many blocks/invulns/whatever that almost every class has. Then turn around and kill it.

It was nerfed too hard IMO. And yes I used to play rev but in even proportion with DH/Scrapper/Warrior.

There’s a reason why you hardly see Revs in matches anymore. Its the lowest represented class that I have personally seen in my matches this season.

I don’t understand this complaint. Revenant has a very well defined role and identity in the current meta.
It’s a glassy teamfighter/bunker-killer (like necro but with decent survavibility), and also a decent +1er thanks to good mobility/burst.
Revenant is somewhere between a thief and a necro, and there is currently no meta build that can fill this hybrid role. (exept maybe dragonhunter, but they can fill pretty much any role besides support)
Saying rev is just a bad thief is plain wrong as they simply do not fill the same role. It’s like saying druid is just a worst ele, it doesn’t make any sense, as ele is a pure support and druid is a bruiser/support.

Valuing the Rev simply for its mobility misses a large part of the game. Rev is a mobile, burst-capable class, but it is at the bottom of the thief>mes>rev food chain, true. While it might be nice if the balance team had been able to achieve a sort of triangle of superiority (such as: thief beats mes; mes beats rev; rev beats thief), such a view ignores the fact that Revenant offers a lot more in a teamfight than the others do.

Thief can +1 a small engagement, but has little place jumping into a 4v4. Mes can try to land a chicken through the ability spam, but you’re not keeping up condi pressure like a necro. Meanwhile, a Rev is spamming boons and putting out significant damage.

The balance isn’t perfect and never will be, but Revenant (really, Herald) was too good at too many things and a toning down was necessary. If anything, my major issue with its current state is that the counters seem too extreme; you either wreck a profession, or are at a severe disadvantage, and it makes a Rev’s ability to play the map limited by team comp. This used to be the case with a lot more professions, but the balance team has softened hard counters up rather well over the life of the game, which is generally a positive.

3 time legendary and currently platinum power rev main here.

IMO, the class is still devastating but ONLY when it is played absolutely perfectly (and with luck some mistakes from the enemy). I am kinda OK with where the damage is at (well not really, but w/e people are still salty about old revenant) if and only if we get some survival buffs. Especially something to deal with conditions.

In what form they should come in, beats me. Maybe Renewing Wave cast gets reduced to 1/4 second, maybe add 1 second to infuse light, maybe add more healing whenever Crystal Hibernation gets hit. Something else I’d like to see is a maybe 15% or 20% shave to Thief’s Essence Sap. Maybe even reducing the cast for UA by a 1/4 second so I can actually cast it without getting Pulmed.

Other than that, I wouldn’t say revenant has no identity. It has a lot of useful boon sharing, AoE CC/damage in a team fight, and is really good at denying rezzes (SotM, Chaotic Release, Impossible Odds). In my experience, sword auto + Impossible Odds is effectively the deadliest rez denier in the game. I have killed 3 other enemies just by cleaving on the downed this season.

There is only one class that I have a problem fighting against no matter how bad or good they are, and that class is mesmer.

The way I set my revenant up is that after 50% health is reached, I deal 26% extra damage (Swift Termination and Rune of the Eagle). Yeah, boonshare is sacrificed, but only by around 30% which, when compared to how many boons are already dished out, isn’t a big deal.

Because of this, thieves I battle usually kill me completely or die unexpectedly. The problem with mesmers is that they also have access to stealth but they have more health and much harder to dodge bursts.

Power mesmers are a bit easier, but condition mesmers are especially very good at constantly upkeeping condition and torment. I get worn down significantly in a matter of seconds, and before you know it I’m down. I don’t know if there’s an alternate approach that needs to be made or what, but it’s extremely difficult to fight against as a power rev.

Every other class (including necro) is like a sponge against revenant. I usually predetermine when a necro is about to drop an aoe of condis, and I block it. When I do get hit though, it isn’t pretty.

Engis are also difficult as well as bunkers in general. Engis especially can do a lot of damage. I’ve had better fare using my condi/power hybrid rev than power rev on engis, surprisingly.