Guild Wars 2

Warriors and Thieves are and have always been a selfish burst class (with the ONE TIME exception of Shoutbow in the EU meta). Both classes rely on heavy damage to defeat their enemies, while in-turn, not giving much team support.
Regardless of this selfishness, Warriors and Thieves were always in the meta because they countered bunker play with high amounts of sustained physical damage. The addition of the Revenant class in HoT made the warrior and the thief absolutely irrelevant because Revenants can produce the same amount of physical burst damage as Thieves and Warriors can, BUT they are not selfish. Revenants have an immense amount of might stacking and boon sharing.
Why would you bring a selfish class such as a warrior or a thief to the fight, when you can bring a Revenant to do exactly the same thing AND act as a buff bot your team?

Both the EU and NA pro league data collected by Morwath.9817, (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/EU-Pro-League-Meta/first) heavily supports this . Revenants are playing Maruaders/Berserker/Vipers amulet and are the main source of physical burst damage for their teams.

I’m not going to pretend I know enough about Thieves/Daredevils to suggest specific and detailed balance ideas, even though I have some pretty good ones. Even though I main Warrior, I don’t want to give my detailed ideas either because my ideas don’t matter. However, I’m hoping that balancing can be relatively simple if we look at it from this standpoint: Buffing Thief and Warrior abilities to support their teams will make them both more viable in team fights as well as 1v1 situations.

Revenants are gonna get the nerf hammer soon.

The reason, I think, why Anet is delaying the balance patch is probably they’re trying to sell out as many HoT copies as possible by advertising the OP specs and rev.

Warrior in meta? because rom plays it? warriors r useless since 2013

Lol once again people accusing anet of conspiring against the player base to sell hot

The reason anet isnt just adding knee jerk balance patches everytime someone crys is because offten these crying players are just wrong, and also alot of peoples only concern is nerf what u dont play and buff what i do play.

Also anet is waiting to see how classes are performing in raids first so they can make a more informed and effective way to balance things so that they dont fix something in pvp only to make it useless in pve

shoutbow in eu meta? try both metas, for a while, and before that it was hambow soldier’s cheese

nobody is saying warriors dont need help, but know your metas please

It’s not only the support that revs are giving but also the fact that they have one of the best sustain of all classes playing as marauder (competing with scrapper).

Silverkey.2078:

It’s not only the support that revs are giving but also the fact that they have one of the best sustain of all classes playing as marauder (competing with scrapper).

And god tier mobility also

+ninja with teleport to the moon and back.

The pvp shoutbow was a cousin of the warrior build used in wvw. I think it was NA’s Tarcis that made it meta. It was also the most unselfish build in the history of GW2 pvp where every utility is shared with teammates and elite skill dedicated to teammates

Kayberz.5346:

Lol once again people accusing anet of conspiring against the player base to sell hot

The reason anet isnt just adding knee jerk balance patches everytime someone crys is because offten these crying players are just wrong, and also alot of peoples only concern is nerf what u dont play and buff what i do play.

Also anet is waiting to see how classes are performing in raids first so they can make a more informed and effective way to balance things so that they dont fix something in pvp only to make it useless in pve

You are delusional if you think they have no intention what-so-ever to buff elite specs over core spec so they can sell HOT. Why would anyone buy HOT if it didn’t, at least for PvP? After years of player feedback on core specs, they have done every little to fix bugs/imbalances/etc yet with elite specs they were willing to bend over backwards to give players what they ask for elite specs. They are a business and of course they will do what is necessary to give them the highest payoff in expense of other areas.

If Elites were subpar in comparison to core, I would of spent my $50 on beer as that would give me more enjoyment. But look at what we have today, no one is using core spec in any ESL tourney. Again, think what you want but you are delusional.

Extreme.8350:

Warrior in meta? because rom plays it? warriors r useless since 2013

1-2 warriors a team was meta for a long time