Guild Wars 2

WhiteRose.6934:

Normally I full heartily believe that thieves deserve to be toned down. I made one this weekend, threw together a full glass set, and proceeded to smash buttons in sPvP and do better than I do on my characters that I have hours upon hours of practice on. That’s a little too forgiving if you ask me, and dare I say much less complicated than thief players try and make it seem.

But in this case I will point out (what most people here have already stated) that the mesmer is also glass. No offense, but when the match-up becomes glass vs. glass, neither side has the right to complain. Fastest burst wins, and that was the thief in this case. If you build your glass set thinking you’re going to be awesome just bursting everyone down clicking a few buttons, don’t be upset when someone comes along and does the same thing to you.

Being a glass cannon doesn’t justify being instantly killed with no chance for counter attack.

I agree with you that fast burst wins. But “fast” does not equate to “instant”. And when there’s no counterplay it’s even more unjustifiable.

My god so much misunderstanding of game mechanics.

There is the normal pre cast c&d→mug→bs combo which gives time to stun break.

Just like you can pre cast c&d you can precast backstab as there is a 0.5s(?) cast time. In doesent matter that mug reveals you the backstab is already triggered and will go through.

In this case the mug and backstab come instantly out of stealth. There is no opportunity to stun break so those of you using that as your argument need to l2p yourselves.

How do think dagger/pistol even works people?

and if you shadow refuge up to get the long duration stealth you can drop someone from literally out of nowhere from the victims perspective.

TsurugiOni.7910:

First of all that screenshot proves nothing. The post-death recap sorts in descending order of dmg. It shows nothing about skill order. Ur 2nd screen even shows a CnD so it’s impossible to do it “right after” even if u que CnD before you steal. The fact that you think that screencap is somehow “proof” just goes to show how little you really know.

You got hit for a 14k backstab. You can’t even do basic damage calculations to see that there was some extremely cheesey build that killed you.

Yes I believe it’s possible to do a steal + backstab combo when ur pre-cloaked (super hard for most). More likely what happened is that he was already cloaked, backstabbed him, then stole right after. It looks the exact same in summary.

Everyone has an opinion, doesn’t mean it’s good. If every developer balanced against nubs snipers would be banned from every FPS cuz “OP dmg + range”.

Surely you’ll agree that the exact mechanics of how this happened in 0.5 seconds is irrelevant. The point is to highlight that there’s something wrong. It’s up to the devs to decide what it is an how to fix it.

I’m highlighting the symptom – instant down with no chance of counterplay. How the devs want to diagnose and treat the problem is upto them.

Incurafy.6329:

So… not only did OP lie about his stats, but he’s also completely ignorant of how the Backstab combo actually works (“100% stealth, you can’t even see them, they aren’t even required to be out of stealth to do the combo”)…

FAIL.

Here’s a tip, OP, next time ask for help on the Thief forum and you’ll get a buttload of responses giving you detailed help on how to counter the Thief BS combo with a Mesmer. If you’re still having trouble after that and you’ve spent a month at it, come and complain, and we’ll be happy to hear it.

Until then, L2P.

“L2P” is probably the laziest response one can give, and completely undeserving of any serious response. The assumption that you’re superior in skill to a person whom you’ve never faced and you don’t know anything about just comes across as poorly concealed insecurity.

The exact mechanics of going down in 0.5 seconds from 100% health are irrelevant. The fact that it happened is all you need to know.

Mrbig.8019:

All the people trying to argue against OP have no clue about how thief class works.

Sorry, you really should stop saying bs and should try to AT LEAST watch some good thief stream before posting if you’re so ignorant about how the thief works.

Steal can be used mid cast.

Backstab has 1/4 second cast time.

You can cast backstab ( in stealth) and use steal mid cast, in order to have both Mug and Backstab to hit at the same time WHILE STEALTHED.

With haste, you can use 1 heartseeker after the Backstab -> Mug combo and you won’t even render, due to the animation being faster than rendering.

This is indeed broken, but it’s the only thing keeping thieves as a good option for top teams.

Make the thief good in other areas ( it would need huge rebalancing of thief capabilities) and nerf this dumb, broken burst: without the first phase, the thief will become useless if they simply nerf thief burst ( which is broken).

Thanks aNet.

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Mrbig.8019:

All the people trying to argue against OP have no clue about how thief class works.

Sorry, you really should stop saying bs and should try to AT LEAST watch some good thief stream before posting if you’re so ignorant about how the thief works.

Steal can be used mid cast.

Backstab has 1/4 second cast time.

You can cast backstab ( in stealth) and use steal mid cast, in order to have both Mug and Backstab to hit at the same time WHILE STEALTHED.

With haste, you can use 1 heartseeker after the Backstab -> Mug combo and you won’t even render, due to the animation being faster than rendering.

This is indeed broken, but it’s the only thing keeping thieves as a good option for top teams.

Make the thief good in other areas ( it would need huge rebalancing of thief capabilities) and nerf this dumb, broken burst: without the first phase, the thief will become useless if they simply nerf thief burst ( which is broken).

Thanks aNet.

Exactly big. This is what I tried to explain earlier but I was not aware cast times between Steal and Backstab (all I knew is that using steal fast enough while casting backstab works due to how often I have done it).

This is a problem due to how easy it is for a Thief to sit in stealth and nearly 100-0 anyone with stab + steal from stealth and never be detected (Stealth utility skills, and Blackpowder + Heartseeker combo finisher, ect). The typical D/D burst can be avoided, sure, but not a backstab and steal while stealthed. There is no reacting to it unless you know the thief is already there.

Thief burst, and perhaps the stealth mechanic as a whole needs some fine tuning, but as you said the thief will be useless competitively without A-net balancing the thief in other areas so that burst is not their only option competitively.

There are two main probs with thief:

1. culling, if a thief attacks with haste out of steal he can still make up to 4hits until you can see them properly and that sucks hard… For example as Mesmer you need a target to pull out illus and get more than 1sec distortion. 1sec of invul helps sometimes but most often the 22222 spike follows, which means good positioning doesnt help trugh the auto-face-gap-close-6k-spam-hs…

2. If out of fight thiefs can perma stealth (means as long as they got cooldowns rdy), this is the main problem on forest, where you often cross with thiefs at start… So at start they pull out shadow refuge and follows you. Right after stealth rans out they steal and since they weren’t in combat they can immediatley c&d and then backstab you…

Btw. a proper spike from a gc thief on a gc mesmer is a 100% kill (the dmg is enough) but a full MW spike from a gc mesm on gc thief leaves the thief with around 1.5k health → insta stealth & escape… So to all the haters which say you’re full glass, you must die: It doesn’t work in the othef direction. .

A solution maybe to give the 5sec stealth cooldown also when not in combat.. Idk how breaking this would be for thieves, because I only played thiefs a few times, to get into stealth duration for a proper counter dodge

Razor.6392:

bhagwad.4281:

Razor.6392:

Were you afk? As a 100% glass cannon elementalist, I have never EVER been hit that much in spvp.

I wasn’t afk. I was running to cap a point. But how will being afk increase damage?

Being afk would explain not reacting at all or seeing it coming.

Try to use your “lock-in nearest target” keybind more often.

I usually blow a stun breaker whenever they use basilisk on me (I assume he did with Steal)

ele utilities are better than mesmer sicne u can pop mist form and take 0 dmg mesmer cant do that even if u use decoy u will still take some dmg

just remove initiative and replace it with CD’s like EVERY class and that would fix a lot of the problems with thieves even going into stealth since they would have to wait like any other class to use their escape skills.

daydream.2938:

To quote the devs. “thiefs give new players alot of trouble, but kinda fade out the higher level of play you get to”

This imo is the reason why pvp gets frustrating for new players, this and combined with no ladder. Why have a class that is made for killing new players, it will only make less players try pvp.

Backstab damage doesn’t need to be reduced. The damage output on CND needs to be inverted so the damage (and hit detection for the stealth) happens at the beginning of the CND, not the end.

How easy this is to fix.

You’ll come to learn that every profession is capable of this burst.

But other professions telegraph their burst with bright flashy lights, or 4 seconds of prep time.

I find it hilarious that the mods havent closed this useless waste of front page space of a thread yet. Its clogging my view, Anet. I want to see other equally useless threads without having to go to 2nd page. Its not fair for those equally useless “X class is OP thread”. All OP trap rangas/daga eles/bunka guardas/porta mesmas/stealth noobas threads need love, too. I was hit by 15K dmg from 100 blades warrior last night. Couldnt sleep. FIX IT!!

The main reason not to change thief burst is that it does prevent other classes from speccing full glass. Do you really want a bunch of ranged profs free to burst with impunity b/c they have no fear of being instagibbed themselves? Ever tried a shatter or illusion mes in full zerker? Very close to thief burst, but at range. It’s balanced imo.

Nerf thief burst even a bit too much, and there will be a flood of ppl in here complaining how they got dropped before they had a chance to gap close or find the real target.

The only Thief combo that could be overpowered is the from stealth backstab^steal^autos with haste popped as well. It’s only good in sPvP because the Thief likely won’t have to fight anyone else.

This isn’t so much a Thief problem as it is a quickness problem. That buff has always been stupid.

The OP though dying to backstab+steal alone… that’s a build problem. Total glass and not taking even one auto defense trait. Even Svanir runes would save you if you really don’t want to get blown up like that. This probably also happened to him once when there have been countless thieves downed randomly by his shatters on some other target because they were too close.

Stiv.1820:

This isn’t so much a Thief problem as it is a quickness problem. That buff has always been stupid.

Ding ding.

Pyrial.2917:

You’ll come to learn that every profession is capable of this burst.

from stealth?

Eduardo.4675:

I find it hilarious that the mods havent closed this useless waste of front page space of a thread yet. Its clogging my view, Anet. I want to see other equally useless threads without having to go to 2nd page. Its not fair for those equally useless “X class is OP thread”. All OP trap rangas/daga eles/bunka guardas/porta mesmas/stealth noobas threads need love, too. I was hit by 15K dmg from 100 blades warrior last night. Couldnt sleep. FIX IT!!

i cant believe ur posting in this useless waste of front page space, thx for bumping the thread though

EasymodeX.4062:

Backstab damage doesn’t need to be reduced. The damage output on CND needs to be inverted so the damage (and hit detection for the stealth) happens at the beginning of the CND, not the end.

How easy this is to fix.

I’d love to get such a HUGE buff to C&D. I’d be that much easier to land it. And you’d only need to do Mug => C&D => Backstab to do the combo instead of using F1during the C&D cast.

urinfamousr.7631:

Pyrial.2917:

You’ll come to learn that every profession is capable of this burst.

from stealth?

So is stealth the problem or is burst the problem?

Stiv.1820:

The only Thief combo that could be overpowered is the from stealth backstab^steal^autos with haste popped as well. It’s only good in sPvP because the Thief likely won’t have to fight anyone else.

This isn’t so much a Thief problem as it is a quickness problem. That buff has always been stupid.

The OP though dying to backstab+steal alone… that’s a build problem. Total glass and not taking even one auto defense trait. Even Svanir runes would save you if you really don’t want to get blown up like that. This probably also happened to him once when there have been countless thieves downed randomly by his shatters on some other target because they were too close.

it’s not OP fault.

In tPvP mesmers should at least bring portal and illusion of life ( they’re too powerful and if you don’t bring them, you’re seriously gimping your team fight capabilities): mesmers usually take 1 stunbreaker among blink and decoy, but thief burst is too fast, since it happens in less than 0.5 secs time frame; basically you can react only if you’re a superobot;

svanir runes proc only if you go down to 25 % health ( steal-stab is a one shot, literally 5k + 10 k damage in a single shot, even more if the opponent is under 50 % health) so svanir rune proc won’t even trigger.

the only thing you need as a burst thief to kill a mesmer is to deal 4 k damage with the shortbow than burst, it’s 100 % kill unless he dodges randomly or randomly uses distortion;

the only auto-defense the mesmer has is mirror of anguish, and is easily countered by D/P thieves ( new thief fotm) with a single head shot at the start of the fight, in order to avoid to have your basilisk venom reflected to you.

Stop arguing against it, it’s dumb design to allow a class to global another class by punching the keyboard, it doesn’t matter if it can be countered ( and it really can’t, if you know what you’re doing).

i’m a thief, and i know how dumb it is.

Even lowell said it’s dumb, and i’m sure all players who care about this game will agree with me.

I’m all in favor for buffing the thief in other areas ( because the thief without that broken burst is kinda like the most useless class in the game, even more than warriors), but please aNet, do something about this class.

Mrbig.8019:

the only auto-defense the mesmer has is mirror of anguish, and is easily countered by D/P thieves ( new thief fotm) with a single head shot at the start of the fight, in order to avoid to have your basilisk venom reflected to you.

It tends to give away the thief presence a little to do that XD

Once his presence is revealed, a 0.5s reaction time to get out of the burst isn’t hard. Stun break and dodge at the same time.

stof.9341:

EasymodeX.4062:

Backstab damage doesn’t need to be reduced. The damage output on CND needs to be inverted so the damage (and hit detection for the stealth) happens at the beginning of the CND, not the end.

How easy this is to fix.

I’d love to get such a HUGE buff to C&D. I’d be that much easier to land it. And you’d only need to do Mug => C&D => Backstab to do the combo instead of using F1during the C&D cast.

Mug -> CND -> BS would allow the target 0.75 seconds to dodge or escape the combo on premeditated reflex. It would also by necessity include 0.5s of melee-range non-stealth time.

The fact that CND becomes more reliable for non-backstab gimmick builds benefits the class balance as a whole.

This may exacerbate WvW culling problems, but that is an engine problem and the class balance shouldn’t “really” be subject to the engine.

Pyrial.2917:

urinfamousr.7631:

Pyrial.2917:

You’ll come to learn that every profession is capable of this burst.

from stealth?

So is stealth the problem or is burst the problem?

0.25 damage timestamp / 0.75s full combo with low telegraph from 900 range, e.g. “BURST”, is the problem.

Stealth is the salt.

Pyrial.2917:

urinfamousr.7631:

Pyrial.2917:

You’ll come to learn that every profession is capable of this burst.

from stealth?

So is stealth the problem or is burst the problem?

yes stealth + burst = bad mechanic. u can have burst and u can have stealth. having both is stupid. imagine a 100Blade warrior doing it from stealth? or mesmer clones just bursting on u from stealth.. rinse repeat.

stof.9341:

Mrbig.8019:

the only auto-defense the mesmer has is mirror of anguish, and is easily countered by D/P thieves ( new thief fotm) with a single head shot at the start of the fight, in order to avoid to have your basilisk venom reflected to you.

It tends to give away the thief presence a little to do that XD

Once his presence is revealed, a 0.5s reaction time to get out of the burst isn’t hard. Stun break and dodge at the same time.

I can do that in less than 0.3 secs, which is human average reaction time.

Why is so difficult for you guys to understand that backstab itself has 1/4 secs cast time ( 0.25 secs, so it’s by itself less than average reaction time) and Mug + Backstab combo hits at the same time ?

If you add haste, the combo Mug+ backstab will happen in 0.10 secs, BY FAR less than average human reaction time.

If you add HS to the combo, it will happen in 0.12 secs, the reaction time of a super robot.

If you can react to thief burst ( and all his attacks crit) i can assure you that you never met a skilled thief in all your GW2 gaming experience, or that you had more than 22k hp ( the damage of a full crit combo).

Actually the back stab is precast so the whole thing basically happens at t=0 as far as humans are concerned. Haste makes the followup heart seeker unavoidable. Better hope that stun break is also a teleport/ immunity!

Yes this is OP in hot join because everybody plays full glass cannons and runs around solo and nobody rezes.

The conclusion? Nerf hot join.

Mrbig.8019:

the only auto-defense the mesmer has is mirror of anguish, and is easily countered by D/P thieves ( new thief fotm) with a single head shot at the start of the fight, in order to avoid to have your basilisk venom reflected to you.

I thought we were talking about the classic D/D + Shortbow.

An easier fix would be to stop auto defense abilities like that happening from daze. You can still evade so it’s usually wasted. Also, like the above poster said, this also takes away the “I had no idea he was there” argument.

edit: another fix is to not allow backstab to land if stealth is technically broken. Steal dealing damage first should negate a backstab. Make people finish the backstab before they hit steal. This would let the runes counter the combo as backstab would drop many GC to ~20%. Steal can still be instant but the BS should try to divide by zero or something if it tries to do damage without stealth.

How many seconds of stealth would they need in order for you to have no clue that they were there? If you were running to cap a point and they used shadow refuge while staying out of your view, wouldn’t you have outrun them?

Sunnydaze.6815:

How many seconds of stealth would they need in order for you to have no clue that they were there? If you were running to cap a point and they used shadow refuge while staying out of your view, wouldn’t you have outrun them?

They wouldn’t need much, blinding powder alone would do it if they where standing in a spot other than the point itself so they weren’t immediately visible on approach due to hiding behind a wall while using the camera to peak around corners.

Vgman.4019:

They wouldn’t need much, blinding powder alone would do it if they where standing in a spot other than the point itself so they weren’t immediately visible on approach due to hiding behind a wall while using the camera to peak around corners.

Blinding Powder only gives a few seconds though if I’m correct. If he’s in motion running to cap a point (I believe that was said somewhere in earlier posts) and is moving his camera to check for thieves then the thief would have had to stay far enough behind/hiding behind something to not be noticed. The thief would probably need more than those few seconds to catch/get into a favorable position.

Stiv.1820:

Mrbig.8019:

the only auto-defense the mesmer has is mirror of anguish, and is easily countered by D/P thieves ( new thief fotm) with a single head shot at the start of the fight, in order to avoid to have your basilisk venom reflected to you.

I thought we were talking about the classic D/D + Shortbow.

An easier fix would be to stop auto defense abilities like that happening from daze. You can still evade so it’s usually wasted. Also, like the above poster said, this also takes away the “I had no idea he was there” argument.

edit: another fix is to not allow backstab to land if stealth is technically broken. Steal dealing damage first should negate a backstab. Make people finish the backstab before they hit steal. This would let the runes counter the combo as backstab would drop many GC to ~20%. Steal can still be instant but the BS should try to divide by zero or something if it tries to do damage without stealth.

Steal-stab is done from stealth, it’s a D/X combo.

And the argument behind this is a lot more than “he’s not there”: we’re talking about being able to GLOBAL a proff in less than human reaction is able to calculate; it doesn’t matter if you know “he’s there” or not ( a D/P thief can stealth from BPS+ HS combo as much as he want, potentially postponing the burst as much as he wants, till the panicked guy finished blowing all his defensive CDs at nothing).

Breaking the combo will break the thief, since the whole profession is made of this broken burst.

Without compensations of any sort ( and they already destroyed the only alternative to burst, or rather S/D dazelock thieves), nerfing thief burst will simply make the whole profession to disappear from competitive play.

There’s really nothing to argue about the issue, the thief profession is simply not balanced ( like the warrior) , but has an even thinner foudnation than the war: basically, they should change A LOT this proff in order to make it balanced.

Mrbig.8019:

Stiv.1820:

Mrbig.8019:

the only auto-defense the mesmer has is mirror of anguish, and is easily countered by D/P thieves ( new thief fotm) with a single head shot at the start of the fight, in order to avoid to have your basilisk venom reflected to you.

I thought we were talking about the classic D/D + Shortbow.

An easier fix would be to stop auto defense abilities like that happening from daze. You can still evade so it’s usually wasted. Also, like the above poster said, this also takes away the “I had no idea he was there” argument.

edit: another fix is to not allow backstab to land if stealth is technically broken. Steal dealing damage first should negate a backstab. Make people finish the backstab before they hit steal. This would let the runes counter the combo as backstab would drop many GC to ~20%. Steal can still be instant but the BS should try to divide by zero or something if it tries to do damage without stealth.

Steal-stab is done from stealth, it’s a D/X combo.

And the argument behind this is a lot more than “he’s not there”: we’re talking about being able to GLOBAL a proff in less than human reaction is able to calculate; it doesn’t matter if you know “he’s there” or not ( a D/P thief can stealth from BPS+ HS combo as much as he want, potentially postponing the burst as much as he wants, till the panicked guy finished blowing all his defensive CDs at nothing).

Breaking the combo will break the thief, since the whole profession is made of this broken burst.

Without compensations of any sort ( and they already destroyed the only alternative to burst, or rather S/D dazelock thieves), nerfing thief burst will simply make the whole profession to disappear from competitive play.

There’s really nothing to argue about the issue, the thief profession is simply not balanced ( like the warrior) , but has an even thinner foudnation than the war: basically, they should change A LOT this proff in order to make it balanced.

yup u can use pistal 5 and HS into it for 5sec of stealth AND if the HS lands it doesnt remove the stealth lol so free hit and u get stealth for another BS followed by 222222222222222222222222222222222

good example of a “good” thief and how easy it is to finish mulitple targets 3v4 4v1 2v1 fights and how stealth +burst fails in as a core pvp mechanic + culling and its GJ Anet

Ew this is wuvwuv though.. who cares about bads getting steamrolled?

Thief is stronk.. and Dagger/pistol build can insta me which is preeeeeeetty dumb since they can daze lock after distortion wears off.

But overall it’s not as OP as d/d Ele Beast/condi or traps ranger cause it doesn’t survive 20 times as long while putting out very similar dps.

bhagwad.4281:

Incurafy.6329:

So… not only did OP lie about his stats, but he’s also completely ignorant of how the Backstab combo actually works (“100% stealth, you can’t even see them, they aren’t even required to be out of stealth to do the combo”)…

FAIL.

Here’s a tip, OP, next time ask for help on the Thief forum and you’ll get a buttload of responses giving you detailed help on how to counter the Thief BS combo with a Mesmer. If you’re still having trouble after that and you’ve spent a month at it, come and complain, and we’ll be happy to hear it.

Until then, L2P.

“L2P” is probably the laziest response one can give, and completely undeserving of any serious response. The assumption that you’re superior in skill to a person whom you’ve never faced and you don’t know anything about just comes across as poorly concealed insecurity.

The exact mechanics of going down in 0.5 seconds from 100% health are irrelevant. The fact that it happened is all you need to know.

Congratulations on only reading one line out of my entire post and then making up a bunch of bullcrap to turn my post against you.

Do me a favour and read it again; go on, take your time, I understand that it was a pretty complex post and comprehending it is going to be pretty hard.

Reply when you’ve figured it out.

Darnis.4056:

Ew this is wuvwuv though.. who cares about bads getting steamrolled?

Thief is stronk.. and Dagger/pistol build can insta me which is preeeeeeetty dumb since they can daze lock after distortion wears off.

But overall it’s not as OP as d/d Ele Beast/condi or traps ranger cause it doesn’t survive 20 times as long while putting out very similar dps.

ok here is spvp

lol .. that was even worse hotjoin pvp :/
Most of the fights were vs glass cannon thieves..
and even then it was long drawn out fights.. mostly 2v1.

The necro at treb should have had that fight but he jumped off and popped his elite late ? lol.. bad necro.

Necro who loses to unstealthed thief is bad in my book :/ sorry.

Darnis.4056:

lol .. that was even worse hotjoin pvp :/
Most of the fights were vs glass cannon thieves..
and even then it was long drawn out fights.. mostly 2v1.

The necro at treb should have had that fight but he jumped off and popped his elite late ? lol.. bad necro.

Necro who loses to thief is bad in my book :/ sorry.

not sure if ur aware MOST of the pvp in HOTM takes place in hotjoin fyi

Darnis.4056:

lol .. that was even worse hotjoin pvp :/
Most of the fights were vs glass cannon thieves..
and even then it was long drawn out fights.. mostly 2v1.

The necro at treb should have had that fight but he jumped off and popped his elite late ? lol.. bad necro.

Necro who loses to unstealthed thief is bad in my book :/ sorry.

thief so easy even a 5 yr old could master it lol enjoy he even has live commentary

“Most Pvp occurs in hotjoins”
Pretty strange with insta ques on paids, 10 minute ques on free tournaments.
Not sure as how this is relevant to “Thief is OP Thread #1404084843”
Maybe you should back peddle to everyone’s argument “Thief is OP against sub r20’s”
The videos you keep posting seem to suggest that is the case.

I played a thief when they were OP, before nerfs to CnD Signet and Cluster bomb.
I’m sorry you are having trouble with thieves but it is a L2P issue.
Even Jon said it was L2P issue and it was really hard to balance classes for people who haven’t taken the time to learn other class mechanics.
I play Ranger, DDele, Necro, Mesmer…

Darnis.4056:

“Most Pvp occurs in hotjoins”
Pretty strange with insta ques on paids, 10 minute ques on free tournaments.
Not sure as how this is relevant to “Thief is OP Thread #1404084843”
Maybe you should back peddle to everyone’s argument “Thief is OP against sub r20’s”
The videos you keep posting seem to suggest that is the case.

I played a thief when they were OP, before nerfs to CnD Signet and Cluster bomb.
I’m sorry you are having trouble with thieves but it is a L2P issue.
Even Jon said it was L2P issue and it was really hard to balance classes for people who haven’t taken the time to learn other class mechanics.
I play Ranger, DDele, Necro, Mesmer…

i laughed at the insta ques.. u playing LOL maybe?

I get insta paid tourny ques with my team :/ not sure if you’re joking.

Darnis.4056:

I get insta paid tourny ques with my team :/ not sure if you’re joking.

im wondering if ur just trolling with these posts but hey keep on, gets the thread bumped

The game shouldn’t just be balance for a higher skill level minority, it should be fair for everyone, regardless of game mode. This whole idea that Thieves are fine, as long as you’re playing on a higher skill level, is just ignorant. Most players will never have the skill level of someone who plays in paid, but that doesn’t mean their experience with the game is less important.

daydream.2938:

To quote the devs. “thiefs give new players alot of trouble, but kinda fade out the higher level of play you get to”

New player tries sPVP
New player gets one shot by Thief
New player new plays sPVP again
Dev’s wonder why sPVP isn’t more popular

Mif.3471:

daydream.2938:

To quote the devs. “thiefs give new players alot of trouble, but kinda fade out the higher level of play you get to”

New player tries sPVP
New player gets one shot by Thief
New player new plays sPVP again
Dev’s wonder why sPVP isn’t more popular

Pretty much everyone here got oneshotted by a thief when he got in spvp for the first time, it’s normal and one day you just learn how they work and they’re going not to be a problem anymore….you know if you are new to something called pvp in every game you’re supposed to die, even really badly vs more skilled/experienced players….and you have 2 choices:

1 – You can cry like a kid and stop playing forever because someone killed you, maybe going on forums whining.

2 – You can try to figure out how he managed to kill you and where you did wrong, something like…“Well he got me in 2 secs, but he can’t kill that other more experienced player running my same spec, what is he doing to avoid his burst? Why i can’t do the same? Let’s try to figure out how he plays my same class, if he can laugh at thieves so it’s possible to do so…and i must learn how”

If you take a look at qq thief posts you’ll se that high rank players don’t have problems with thieves at all, expec the ones playing high level paids so it’s just your choice if you want to learn counters or just sit here crying for mom…nothing more, nothing less.