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Posted by: Darkside.7182

Darkside.7182

I got legendary badge from all seasons, and x6 last one. This season i started on sapphire like season 3 and played 9 games against top tier teams-players.

Looks like;

- Druid and Revenant clearly OP.
- Warrior, Thief and Mesmer are same
- Necromancer and Engineer are dead
- Dragon Hunter playable on low tiers but they are trash on top tier. Has no chance against druid or rev
- Have no idea about Elementalist. I haven’t even seen one

My meta team choice is Druid, 2 Rev, Mesmer, Warrior.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

I got legendary badge from all seasons, and x6 last one. This season i started on sapphire like season 3 and played 9 games against top tier teams-players.

Looks like;

- Druid and Revenant clearly OP.
- Warrior, Thief and Mesmer are same
- Necromancer and Engineer are dead
- Dragon Hunter playable on low tiers but they are trash on top tier. Has no chance against druid or rev
- Have no idea about Elementalist. I haven’t even seen one

My meta team choice is Druid, 2 Rev, Mesmer, Warrior.

I would replace mesmer with another druid but otherwise, that’s a pretty good assessment.

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

RIP my ele I guess. Not so much because they are factually bad but because no matter what my gaming experience with one will be tainted by hate and fear of loosing matches.

If I play well I’ll be tolerated with ppl thinking I was lucky. If my team loose I’ll be the designated scapegoat.

That’s a lot to inflict upon myself considering I play for fun first.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

First impressions: Impossible to progress without premades.
Win loss win loss win win loss loss etc.
I didnt think they could make a worse season than season 3, but they managed to do it.
How they make this matchmaking without season 1 pip system (-3 to +3 pips) is beyond me. Simply terrible.

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Posted by: geekilo.8512

geekilo.8512

Necro is dead …. what ???
I see condi flying everywhere, condi reaper, condi berzerker ….
CONDI META

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

Necro is dead …. what ???
I see condi flying everywhere, condi reaper, condi berzerker ….
CONDI META

same here, see 2 necros on each team almost every match

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Posted by: geekilo.8512

geekilo.8512

Fighting condi class is like 80% trying to cleanse of the condi, other 20% actual fighting

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

Fighting condi class is like 80% trying to cleanse of the condi, other 20% actual fighting

inb4 dodge – you get condis on your by literary attacking them once and some crap is undodgeable

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Posted by: Xillllix.3485

Xillllix.3485

They need to make pvp skill-based instead of just needing to have the right comp running the cheesiest build. There is a reason a game like Rocket League is going so well right now as an eSport.

You can’t have an eSport when things are so unfairly balanced, you can only pretend.
We ALL want GW2 to succeed, but to be honest GW2 eSport proposition looks amateurish right now. Promoting build variety is the solution: you can only get balanced gameplay if players can find counters themselves, but right now everything is so one-dimensional (so much condi and ccs) there is nothing positive to look at when making a build on some classes.

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Posted by: mysticsicness.7598

mysticsicness.7598

Got to x7 legend last season, but so far:
This seasons matchmaking…literally trash
This seasons queue times in sapphire…trash
Trying to find a viable elementalist build in a kitten meta…beyond trash
Going back to Overwatch now, k, thanks, bye.

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Posted by: soulknight.9620

soulknight.9620

Played 9 games as an ele, won 1 of them. Playing intence with knowledge of my class (mained it for more than a year). Got instakilled by a random passing thiefs, warriors, guardians, druids, revenants, mesmers, necros etc.
Rolled a warrior (first time, never played a warrior in spvp), took the first build from metabattle, missed 80% of my skills, missused 90% of my skills, and won the game by stomping enemies.
And why should one play ele in current season?

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Posted by: Kirnale.5914

Kirnale.5914

Could it be ? For the first time that ele is out of meta ?

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Posted by: Chase.8415

Chase.8415

Got to x7 legend last season, but so far:
This seasons matchmaking…literally trash
This seasons queue times in sapphire…trash
Trying to find a viable elementalist build in a kitten meta…beyond trash
Going back to Overwatch now, k, thanks, bye.

Yeah good luck with that, the balance is even worse to were over half the heroes in the game are underpowered and have no use in top tier pvp.

Matchmaking is also horrid on that game, but to each their own I guess.

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Posted by: Xoloitzcuintli.7283

Xoloitzcuintli.7283

As solo all my matches are premade (3-4ppl) vs solo pug party. Feeling like a free pip to farm.

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Posted by: Kirnale.5914

Kirnale.5914

lool same for me only premades, it’s time arenanet put pack the solo and team queue

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Posted by: Xillllix.3485

Xillllix.3485

Played 9 games as an ele, won 1 of them. Playing intence with knowledge of my class (mained it for more than a year). Got instakilled by a random passing thiefs, warriors, guardians, druids, revenants, mesmers, necros etc.
Rolled a warrior (first time, never played a warrior in spvp), took the first build from metabattle, missed 80% of my skills, missused 90% of my skills, and won the game by stomping enemies.
And why should one play ele in current season?

Same, playing elementalist is just the most unfair competitive MMO gaming experience I’ve seen. Not rewarding at all.

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Posted by: Lucred.1802

Lucred.1802

As solo all my matches are premade (3-4ppl) vs solo pug party. Feeling like a free pip to farm.

This. Anet promised soloQ wouldn’t have to face premade.

As a soloQ I have faced almost entirely 5-man premades that are quite blatant (all from same guild, with a few that all have very similar names, have literally had one match where the characters were named “Guy1, Guy2, Gal1, Gal2, Charr1”

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Posted by: Ithilwen.1529

Ithilwen.1529

Bringing back solo queue might just be the step that makes this all work. That would be great.

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

Spartacus.3192

As solo all my matches are premade (3-4ppl) vs solo pug party. Feeling like a free pip to farm.

This. Anet promised soloQ wouldn’t have to face premade.

As a soloQ I have faced almost entirely 5-man premades that are quite blatant (all from same guild, with a few that all have very similar names, have literally had one match where the characters were named “Guy1, Guy2, Gal1, Gal2, Charr1”

ANET only promised that a FIVE man premade will never face a FULL 5 solo q team. .
Read it carefully. That means if you are solo in a group with a duo premade and 3 solo players you can be matched with a FIVE man premade. And if the enemy team is a FOUR man premade it can be matched against a full SOLO q team.

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Posted by: Lucred.1802

Lucred.1802

As solo all my matches are premade (3-4ppl) vs solo pug party. Feeling like a free pip to farm.

This. Anet promised soloQ wouldn’t have to face premade.

As a soloQ I have faced almost entirely 5-man premades that are quite blatant (all from same guild, with a few that all have very similar names, have literally had one match where the characters were named “Guy1, Guy2, Gal1, Gal2, Charr1”

ANET only promised that a FIVE man premade will never face a FULL 5 solo q team. .
Read it carefully. That means if you are solo in a group with a duo premade and 3 solo players you can be matched with a FIVE man premade. And if the enemy team is a FOUR man premade it can be matched against a full SOLO q team.

And what I’m saying is that AS A FULL SOLO QUEUE TEAM as in all 5 of us queued separately, we are facing 5-man premades.

How did I not make that clear?

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Posted by: Eval.2371

Eval.2371

This seasons just as bad if not worse than before.

  • Premade 5man guild teams vs my entire team randoms Check
  • Class stacking is still rampant. Check
  • Absurd amount of passive defenses that reward poor play Check
  • Absurd amounts of high damage/application AoE Check
  • Over inflated elite specs. Check
  • Next to no viable build diversity Check
  • Matchmaking geared for 50/50 to make it a grind fest Check
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Posted by: Light Of The Abyss.5927

Light Of The Abyss.5927

I got legendary badge from all seasons, and x6 last one. This season i started on sapphire like season 3 and played 9 games against top tier teams-players.

Looks like;

- Druid and Revenant clearly OP.
- Warrior, Thief and Mesmer are same
- Necromancer and Engineer are dead
- Dragon Hunter playable on low tiers but they are trash on top tier. Has no chance against druid or rev
- Have no idea about Elementalist. I haven’t even seen one

My meta team choice is Druid, 2 Rev, Mesmer, Warrior.

Necro + Scrapper is the most OP combination right now…. idk how they made it to your “Dead” list…

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Posted by: Light Of The Abyss.5927

Light Of The Abyss.5927

This seasons just as bad if not worse than before.

  • Premade 5man guild teams vs my entire team randoms Check
  • Class stacking is still rampant. Check
  • Absurd amount of passive defenses that reward poor play Check
  • Absurd amounts of high damage/application AoE Check
  • Over inflated elite specs. Check
  • Next to no viable build diversity Check
  • Matchmaking geared for 50/50 to make it a grind fest Check

It’s been one evening kitten …. How can you judge a whole season on one evenings play? That makes no sense. There is always a time at the beginning of a season for people to get to their prospective divisions and games are iffy.

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Posted by: suffish.4150

suffish.4150

Season 4 looks great from what I have seen so far. I just reached sapphire tier 3 after playing 20 games today (solo queue) and most of them were close and fun. I am seeing a lot of pro players on my team and against me as well as many good players who I fought in legendary last season so it is great to be fighting players who made it to high legendary last season because before this season, sapphire and Ruby basically consisted of me absolutely destroying almost everyone in 1v1s and winning games very easily which is both not fun and does not make me improve as a player. I think season 1 style matchmaking is a step in the right direction.

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

Spartacus.3192

As solo all my matches are premade (3-4ppl) vs solo pug party. Feeling like a free pip to farm.

This. Anet promised soloQ wouldn’t have to face premade.

As a soloQ I have faced almost entirely 5-man premades that are quite blatant (all from same guild, with a few that all have very similar names, have literally had one match where the characters were named “Guy1, Guy2, Gal1, Gal2, Charr1”

ANET only promised that a FIVE man premade will never face a FULL 5 solo q team. .
Read it carefully. That means if you are solo in a group with a duo premade and 3 solo players you can be matched with a FIVE man premade. And if the enemy team is a FOUR man premade it can be matched against a full SOLO q team.

And what I’m saying is that AS A FULL SOLO QUEUE TEAM as in all 5 of us queued separately, we are facing 5-man premades.

How did I not make that clear?

Well in that case i agree thats a bug and was not ever mentioned AFAIK. Please take a screenshot next time and post.

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Posted by: Light Of The Abyss.5927

Light Of The Abyss.5927

Season 4 looks great from what I have seen so far. I just reached sapphire tier 3 after playing 20 games today (solo queue) and most of them were close and fun. I am seeing a lot of pro players on my team and against me as well as many good players who I fought in legendary last season so it is great to be fighting players who made it to high legendary last season because before this season, sapphire and Ruby basically consisted of me absolutely destroying almost everyone in 1v1s and winning games very easily which is both not fun and does not make me improve as a player. I think season 1 style matchmaking is a step in the right direction.

I agree. My matches have been very close and competitive. Last season every game was a landslide one way or another. This season, the matches are way more engaging and fun. I’m glad to see other people rise above the qq train and be honest with the state of the season.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

win loss win loss win loss win loss win loss, every match is one sided, gotta love forced 50% w/l ratio :/

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Posted by: Sirbeaumerdier.3740

Sirbeaumerdier.3740

win loss win loss win loss win loss win loss, every match is one sided, gotta love forced 50% w/l ratio :/

IDK why they go for a force 50% win ratio. All they should care for is giving overall equal odds of winning each individual matches not overcompensate wins or losses.

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

Spartacus.3192

win loss win loss win loss win loss win loss, every match is one sided, gotta love forced 50% w/l ratio :/

IDK why they go for a force 50% win ratio. All they should care for is giving overall equal odds of winning each individual matches not overcompensate wins or losses.

+1 ^ yes it should just be each match they try and make it an even 50% chance of winning. Not try and give you an overall 50% win/loss rate.

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Posted by: foste.3098

foste.3098

here is my impression:

-support dh now fills the void of healbot ele. It is just as annoying if not more because of the stupid amount of knock back it has

-no one wants to play ele

-thief still has only 1 role no matter the build but all teams still want 1 for the most part

-berzerker is still all about spamming as much f1’s as possible aka not fun

-game is still full of passives, aoe’s, and brain dead spam builds

in short nothing really changed apart from the fact that now if you do not have stability you will hate yourself from all the knock backs. Also we are back to s1 matchmaking aka premade or gtfo, fun times oh wait NOT.

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Posted by: Ragnarox.9601

Ragnarox.9601

Druid is OP in pvp? haha they are hugely broken in wvw. Best class in 1vs3 situation with 90% win chance.

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Posted by: Jourdelune.7456

Jourdelune.7456

Season 4 looks great from what I have seen so far. I just reached sapphire tier 3 after playing 20 games today (solo queue) and most of them were close and fun. I am seeing a lot of pro players on my team and against me as well as many good players who I fought in legendary last season so it is great to be fighting players who made it to high legendary last season because before this season, sapphire and Ruby basically consisted of me absolutely destroying almost everyone in 1v1s and winning games very easily which is both not fun and does not make me improve as a player. I think season 1 style matchmaking is a step in the right direction.

That report. So, no more noobs paired with top players? Is this true for more than 75% of the matches?

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

RIP my ele I guess. Not so much because they are factually bad but because no matter what my gaming experience with one will be tainted by hate and fear of loosing matches.

If I play well I’ll be tolerated with ppl thinking I was lucky. If my team loose I’ll be the designated scapegoat.

That’s a lot to inflict upon myself considering I play for fun first.

That was my Guard in S3. I get blamed for losing when it was actually the mesmer’s fault but they don’t see that.

Joined the same players next match except the bad mesmer is on the other team. They moaned at first until realizing their mesmer really was the one throwing the match

That had to have been the greatest satisfaction in Ranked since the season started.

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Posted by: Struct.7453

Struct.7453

S1-S2 low tier DH
S3 low tier DH
S4 low tier DH

All DH are low tier until a real DH enters the game.

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Posted by: Zelulose.8695

Zelulose.8695

I complained about druid sustain carrying the class.

Watch me eat food and skill click to victory on my druid.

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Posted by: Ross Biddle.2367

Ross Biddle.2367

First Impression

Went in expecting to see a lot of DH and Chrono

Was right

Took Ultimate Gunflame berserker build. Destroyed everything I saw, including Druid, Scrappers etc. Rev kicked me off a point one time which wasn’t a surprise.

Already bored. Going back to Uncharted 4 PvP :D

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Posted by: BlueDragon.7054

BlueDragon.7054

They need to make pvp skill-based instead of just needing to have the right comp running the cheesiest build. There is a reason a game like Rocket League is going so well right now as an eSport.

You can’t have an eSport when things are so unfairly balanced, you can only pretend.
We ALL want GW2 to succeed, but to be honest GW2 eSport proposition looks amateurish right now. Promoting build variety is the solution: you can only get balanced gameplay if players can find counters themselves, but right now everything is so one-dimensional (so much condi and ccs) there is nothing positive to look at when making a build on some classes.

Rocket League has also a much better season and matchmaking system. Your rank on rocket league (the equivalent of gw2 division) is directly tied to your mmr and the matchmaking is completely based on your mmr.

In that game the rank actually shows the skill level of a player with very few exceptions. I don’t know why GW2 doesn’t do it like that, it’s really simple.

But for some reason in GW2 they insist in keeping the mmr of players and their division as completely different systems so it causes the divisions to be just a grind and don’t show the skill level of the players.

It’s just absurd to have a ranked mode that allows to have players from all the skill ranges in all of their divisions. Season 4, for what I read will be just pure grind and that’s it, even players in the lowest skill range can get to the legendary division with enough games…

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Posted by: Zen.5436

Zen.5436

This season is a freaking joke. I consider myself to be a good thief with hundreds of games played. Yet after playing around 30+ plus matches I have won about 25-30% of my games and this wasn’t even on my Thief.

I ended up making a Guardian and having a blast being unkillable while holding points. I didn’t even know what the spells did, I just smashed my fingers across the key binds and TaaDaa! – Raid Boss Activated.

I won’t be playing much more of this season and its a kitten shame.

Anet need to get a competent team unless all the rats are jumping ship as the game has almost sunk.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

They need to make pvp skill-based instead of just needing to have the right comp running the cheesiest build. There is a reason a game like Rocket League is going so well right now as an eSport.

You can’t have an eSport when things are so unfairly balanced, you can only pretend.
We ALL want GW2 to succeed, but to be honest GW2 eSport proposition looks amateurish right now. Promoting build variety is the solution: you can only get balanced gameplay if players can find counters themselves, but right now everything is so one-dimensional (so much condi and ccs) there is nothing positive to look at when making a build on some classes.

Rocket League has also a much better season and matchmaking system. Your rank on rocket league (the equivalent of gw2 division) is directly tied to your mmr and the matchmaking is completely based on your mmr.

In that game the rank actually shows the skill level of a player with very few exceptions. I don’t know why GW2 doesn’t do it like that, it’s really simple.

But for some reason in GW2 they insist in keeping the mmr of players and their division as completely different systems so it causes the divisions to be just a grind and don’t show the skill level of the players.

It’s just absurd to have a ranked mode that allows to have players from all the skill ranges in all of their divisions. Season 4, for what I read will be just pure grind and that’s it, even players in the lowest skill range can get to the legendary division with enough games…

I wouldn’t compare some car-soccer game to an MMORPG PvP…. the way matchmaking/elo/mmr is amongst these games can no way function the same way.

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Posted by: Burn.5401

Burn.5401

I wouldn’t compare some car-soccer game to an MMORPG PvP…. the way matchmaking/elo/mmr is amongst these games can no way function the same way.

Then compare it to WoW arenas which had better matchmaking with visible MMR in 2007.

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Posted by: Zoricus.2439

Zoricus.2439

Got to x7 legend last season, but so far:
This seasons matchmaking…literally trash
This seasons queue times in sapphire…trash
Trying to find a viable elementalist build in a kitten meta…beyond trash
Going back to Overwatch now, k, thanks, bye.

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I agree with your observation of the current season. Not really going to bother with this season since nothing substantial has changed.

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Posted by: Fivedawgs.4267

Fivedawgs.4267

As solo all my matches are premade (3-4ppl) vs solo pug party. Feeling like a free pip to farm.

This. Anet promised soloQ wouldn’t have to face premade.

As a soloQ I have faced almost entirely 5-man premades that are quite blatant (all from same guild, with a few that all have very similar names, have literally had one match where the characters were named “Guy1, Guy2, Gal1, Gal2, Charr1”

ANET only promised that a FIVE man premade will never face a FULL 5 solo q team. .
Read it carefully. That means if you are solo in a group with a duo premade and 3 solo players you can be matched with a FIVE man premade. And if the enemy team is a FOUR man premade it can be matched against a full SOLO q team.

And what I’m saying is that AS A FULL SOLO QUEUE TEAM as in all 5 of us queued separately, we are facing 5-man premades.

How did I not make that clear?

Well in that case i agree thats a bug and was not ever mentioned AFAIK. Please take a screenshot next time and post.

It’s happening a lot.