Guild Wars 2

The majority of people I see on the forums say they are being crushed regularly.

How can the majority be getting stomped? There have to be an equal amount of stompers.

I have always been sort of “in the middle” as a player. But in this new testing phase of the matcher, I have lost 70% of my matches.

SOMEBODY out there is winning most of their matches.

I guess they don’t talk about it because they feel great.

Laserbolt.6731:

The majority of people I see on the forums say they are being crushed regularly.

How can the majority be getting stomped? There have to be an equal amount of stompers.

I have always been sort of “in the middle” as a player. But in this new testing phase of the matcher, I have lost 70% of my matches.

SOMEBODY out there is winning most of their matches.

I guess they don’t talk about it because they feel great.

And the majority of the players don’t care enough to use the forums. I have no clue what my win % is but I’m actually winning quite a few matches queing solo.

Saiyan.1704:

Laserbolt.6731:

The majority of people I see on the forums say they are being crushed regularly.

How can the majority be getting stomped? There have to be an equal amount of stompers.

I have always been sort of “in the middle” as a player. But in this new testing phase of the matcher, I have lost 70% of my matches.

SOMEBODY out there is winning most of their matches.

I guess they don’t talk about it because they feel great.

And the majority of the players don’t care enough to use the forums. I have no clue what my win % is but I’m actually winning quite a few matches queing solo.

You can find the stats on your Heart of The Mists page for ranked, unranked, by profession etc.

I’ve done about ~40-50 games post patch and lost probably 1-2 when I q’d by myself. Albeit I’ve been Q’ing with some semi-decent players as well as some very good ones.

Feels like MMR either isn’t active or it’s just not accurate yet.

That being said I haven’t fought against -anyone- I recognize except maybe 1-2 people who appeared to be yolo Q’ing.

Last I checked, 9/12 ranked and 2/4 unranked I believe. Not sure if I’ve done any matches after that check. I have only queued solo so far, not a whole lot of time to be organizing stuff in game much.
I’ve only had 2 blowout courtyard games (1 in my team’s favor solo queue no shared guilds didn’t seem like anyone in the match was partied; 1 in enemy team’s favor although my team got ~75-225 points, don’t remember), and have had 2 or 3 good, close ones.
For people that were complaining that the profession weight in queues is not fixed, I’ve had one game with 2 thieves, 1 mes, 1 guard, 1 ? (ranger or engi I think) on my team, one game with 3 enemy thieves, and a couple games (2? 3?) with 2 necros on a team, but other than that I believe they were all 1 of a profession per team. The duplication is usually only 2-of, if even. To my limited experience.
EDIT: Also, I’ve only been paired with/against one premade team so far afaik, as a solo queue’er.

well being a casual player, i don’t play a lot of games myself.
i only played around 4 games today.

tl; dr
match summary
1st – our team won, we bullied the other team
2nd – our team lost, we blame our incompetent team mates.
3rd – our team won, i guess we got lucky with animals
4th – our team won, we bullied the other team

detailed version append below:

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1st:
1 forest
4 courtyard (THANK THE SIX NOT COURTYARD!!!)
5 legacy of foefire (winner)

red 500 – 135 blue
necro 205 – 70 necro
engin 195 – 45 guardian
mesm 150 – 40 mesmer
guard 125 – 25 thief
war-me 70 – ?? ele

well, in this match where i queued alone, its obvious that the rest of my team mates are way too experienced for the other team to handle. the next game onwards i started queuing together with my friend who played his engineer.

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2nd game:
5 legacy of forefire (winner)
5 forest

red (lose) – (win) blue
mesmer – mesmer
guardian – thief
engineer – engineer
engi-friend – necro
warrior-me – warrior (this warrior ended up in our team for the next 2 games)

i didn’t screen shot the scores in time, but we lost, scores were 280+ – 500 and yeah some of our team mates were not performing very well while the other team had more experienced players.

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3rd game:
2 courtyard
2 legacy
5 forest (winner)
red 420 – 500 blue
necroma 175 – 135 ranger
guardian 150 – 110 elementalist
engi-2nd 125 – 90 warrior (he was from the blue team in the 2nd game)
engineer 110 – 75 engineer-friend
theif-2nd 95 – 80 warrior-me

we fought the same thief and engi from the blue team in our 2nd game. we beat their team this time. from the team scores, it seems like a close match up.

though from the individual scores, it seems like the red team players scored more player skills than our blue team. my friend was playing a bunker engineer who tried his best to protect our home point.

the engineer who fought my engineer friend during the 2nd game did not bother trying to 1 v 1 my friend as his previous encounter in the 2nd game taught him that 1 v 1 a bunker engineer as a thief is a futile effort.

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1 courtyard (aw hell no!)
2 spirit watch
6 temple (winner)
red 500 – 219 blue
ranger 195 – 70 ranger
guardian 155 – 65 guardian
thief-friend 115 – 65 mesmer (i played with this mesmer before)
warrior-me 115 – 20 engineer
warrior-2nd-3rd 35 – 0 elementalist

my friend stopped playing his engineer and changed to his thief. well, this round we basically murdered the blue team players each time they respawned.

i got disconnected right at the start of the game, my wifi connection suddenly went offline, then online, then started reconnecting to my adsl modem router, i went through 2 loading screens (pvp lobby, temple) before i got back into the match. perhaps they should make it only 1 loading screen instead of 2.

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the attachment is a /say dialog in the 3rd game.

me and our ranger were chasing their engineer (the one from our 2nd game) and well, we downed him, but our ranger got downed as well, then their guardian came, swung his hammer once and i was downed (well my health was a bit low at that time, and that guardian does incredible damage too) as well, so the guardian was trying to revive the engineer, i got myself up with vengeance, stomped the ground, sending the guardian flying and then stomping the engineer while activating dolyak signet.

our ranger got revived via stomp rally but my 25% vengeance did not kick in, ah well, it was worth it anyway.

Yeah I have a 71% win ratio on my main, since patch. I normally have under 55%.

Everyone in unranked queue…. is so bad. Every game it’s horrible rotations. Every game people are fighting in roads or 4v1 someone at mid, then zerg somewhere else to lose it.

It’s very easy for a competent player who has a clue to make a huge difference as of now.

I haven’t played a lot since patch. I played last night though I won roughly 15-20 in a row as a soloqer. Was both vsing and playing with people that obviously had absolutely no clue. Seems to be coming right after my last few games, a lot better matches.

I’m Over Powered Necro and play for Team Radioactive. Today, as well as the previous days, we not only won every single game, but 500-0’d 90% of the games we play, even 0 pointing all of the players themselves.

You may be thinking, “OMG, I Wish I could do that” but it is incredibly boring, it may sound weird but winning uncontestly is not actually fun at all. What makes this game fun is a good fight, which with this new matchmaking system seems to be impossible, I haven’t fought a single team yet with someone we recognize and it is making me start to consider other games as viable options to play.

Firebird.8324:

I’m Over Powered Necro and play for Team Radioactive. Today, as well as the previous days, we not only won every single game, but 500-0’d 90% of the games we play, even 0 pointing all of the players themselves.

You may be thinking, “OMG, I Wish I could do that” but it is incredibly boring, it may sound weird but winning uncontestly is not actually fun at all. What makes this game fun is a good fight, which with this new matchmaking system seems to be impossible, I haven’t fought a single team yet with someone we recognize and it is making me start to consider other games as viable options to play.

G’day to you! I completely agree. Everyone is kind of “the same rank” right now, so the match ups are all over the place. I have won a few 500-0 myself and while the first match may be a bit funny, the rest are completely boring. I prefer the nail biters myself and screaming into the mic for player positions.

Is this surprising to anyone? This happens to every single game that gets leader boards reset. Everyone starting “fresh” and you will have to wait for everything to iron out.

Laserbolt.6731:

The majority of people I see on the forums say they are being crushed regularly.

How can the majority be getting stomped? There have to be an equal amount of stompers.

I have always been sort of “in the middle” as a player. But in this new testing phase of the matcher, I have lost 70% of my matches.

SOMEBODY out there is winning most of their matches.

I guess they don’t talk about it because they feel great.

They are. I doubt many people on my friends list has lost more than 1/2 games since the patch came out.

:) do the math, every match there are 5 winners and 5 losers. However the top 10% players will win almost every match they are in . If there are 1000 matches played every night the top 10% of the players most likely take up a large chunk of those wins by themselves. This means an avg player will have a losing record. In fact I would think unless you are in the top 20% you will most likely be below 50% on the win ratio just because the best players takes up so much of the wins.

Firebird.8324:

I’m Over Powered Necro and play for Team Radioactive. Today, as well as the previous days, we not only won every single game, but 500-0’d 90% of the games we play, even 0 pointing all of the players themselves.

You may be thinking, “OMG, I Wish I could do that” but it is incredibly boring, it may sound weird but winning uncontestly is not actually fun at all. What makes this game fun is a good fight, which with this new matchmaking system seems to be impossible, I haven’t fought a single team yet with someone we recognize and it is making me start to consider other games as viable options to play.

Not terribly surprising if you’re getting thrown in against PUGs, and entry level/uncoordinated premades. That’s been one of my biggest issues with the new system. I don’t get to play a lot during NA prime time, so I generally Solo Queue and I am either incredibly unlucky or I don’t know what, but I’ve been in so many matches that are five solo’s versus full coordinated premades or 3/2 double premades lol. Aside from that though the matchmaking seems so bizarre now. It really is one of two extremes. You either get absolutely dominated, or you entirely crush the OpFor. Neither of which are incredibly engaging.

The best games are always those nail biters that can go either way, win or lose. They’re exciting. It was the impression I got this new system was supposed to accomplish, I’ve started debating going back to SWTOR or Age of Conan pvp, which sucks because they’re very Gear > Skill, which is a weak system for pvp itself.

Mogar.9216:

:) do the math, every match there are 5 winners and 5 losers. However the top 10% players will win almost every match they are in . If there are 1000 matches played every night the top 10% of the players most likely take up a large chunk of those wins by themselves. This means an avg player will have a losing record. In fact I would think unless you are in the top 20% you will most likely be below 50% on the win ratio just because the best players takes up so much of the wins.

So you are saying that the top people group together. And they destroy groups of 5 average players, over and over and over all night…eventually generating a large pool of the average players who are now dispirited and unhappy, and whose rating has plummeted from mostly losing.

even though i dislike team and solo queue being mixed. I duo’d with my RL friend for the past 2 days, we played a lot of games maybe 20 a night not sure exactly. I think we held a 80% or higher win rate right up till the last 3 games last night where we had new players and those players that think they are good but aren’t which gave us landslide losses because it was essentially 3v5 or 2v5.

The problem is, we will never be able to compete on leaderboards because premade 5 players will be hogging the top up.

Also had a positive win rate with courtyard, dont mind the map but dont think it should be on the ranked roster.

Laserbolt.6731:

Mogar.9216:

:) do the math, every match there are 5 winners and 5 losers. However the top 10% players will win almost every match they are in . If there are 1000 matches played every night the top 10% of the players most likely take up a large chunk of those wins by themselves. This means an avg player will have a losing record. In fact I would think unless you are in the top 20% you will most likely be below 50% on the win ratio just because the best players takes up so much of the wins.

So you are saying that the top people group together. And they destroy groups of 5 average players, over and over and over all night…eventually generating a large pool of the average players who are now dispirited and unhappy, and whose rating has plummeted from mostly losing.

I’m watching it right now, noscoc(Team que 5-10) has a full team in unranked just 500 to 0’ing pugs of scrubs.

They don’t que ranked because there’s no leaderboard.

You shouldn’t be able to que unranked with more then 4…
And just farm terribles who just installed gw2.

Darnis.4056:

Laserbolt.6731:

Mogar.9216:

:) do the math, every match there are 5 winners and 5 losers. However the top 10% players will win almost every match they are in . If there are 1000 matches played every night the top 10% of the players most likely take up a large chunk of those wins by themselves. This means an avg player will have a losing record. In fact I would think unless you are in the top 20% you will most likely be below 50% on the win ratio just because the best players takes up so much of the wins.

So you are saying that the top people group together. And they destroy groups of 5 average players, over and over and over all night…eventually generating a large pool of the average players who are now dispirited and unhappy, and whose rating has plummeted from mostly losing.

I’m watching it right now, noscoc(Team que 5-10) has a full team in unranked just 500 to 0’ing pugs of scrubs.

They don’t que ranked because there’s no leaderboard.

You shouldn’t be able to que unranked with more then 4…
And just farm terribles who just installed gw2.

That’s sad. I am watching it now, too. Ugh.

Darnis.4056:

Laserbolt.6731:

Mogar.9216:

:) do the math, every match there are 5 winners and 5 losers. However the top 10% players will win almost every match they are in . If there are 1000 matches played every night the top 10% of the players most likely take up a large chunk of those wins by themselves. This means an avg player will have a losing record. In fact I would think unless you are in the top 20% you will most likely be below 50% on the win ratio just because the best players takes up so much of the wins.

So you are saying that the top people group together. And they destroy groups of 5 average players, over and over and over all night…eventually generating a large pool of the average players who are now dispirited and unhappy, and whose rating has plummeted from mostly losing.

I’m watching it right now, noscoc(Team que 5-10) has a full team in unranked just 500 to 0’ing pugs of scrubs.

They don’t que ranked because there’s no leaderboard.

You shouldn’t be able to que unranked with more then 4…
And just farm terribles who just installed gw2.

Well, there’s really no reason to play ranked atm. No incentives at all and everyone’s MMR is all over the place. I’m personally not touching pvp until the test season begins on the 16th.

The other way of looking at it is theres no reason not to que ranked.
How about to actually have a good match ?:/
Im queing ranked…
All this PVE farm kitten makes me sick.

i queue solo almost always. since the patch every game except for 1 or 2 has been lopsided, whether winning or losing. several have ended with the losing team having less than 100 points. honestly, this isn’t fun at all, i want to win every match i play but i also want to have to battle for it, whitewashing or being whitewashed is about as lame and boring as it gets.

I do love the idea of profession ratings.

I think the lesson here is the HIGH cost to player morale of the average player, of resetting MMRs. Top players just romp and stomp.

That new ranking is paid for with a LOT of unhappiness, for hours and hours.

Darnis.4056:

The other way of looking at it is theres no reason not to que ranked.
How about to actually have a good match ?:/
Im queing ranked…
All this PVE farm kitten makes me sick.

Because even ranked doesn’t have good matches. I played 20 ranked games so far, and went 17-3. Every courtyard was 500-0, and most of the other matches where 500-150.

It may be getting worse if only the winning players are queuing now, and the rest of the persistent soloers are cannon fodder.

I lose most of my matches, but then again I’m also terrible and if the community is correct then my being terrible has such a massive impact that I single handedly cost us the match nearly every time. Regardless of the rest of the team, one sucky person and it’s a loss.

Seriously though, I think I’m sitting around a 50% but I’m really really bad and that statistic is from the very beginning of the game too. I’m sure it’ll be worse soon as I prefer to play guardians and mesmers which aren’t a celestial engi or ele so I’m gonna get reckt a lot.

Somebody winning a lot?
Most likely premades winning against people solo queing a lot, its just hard to tell if they premade.

Like OP Necro said he won every game, did he say it was majority solo que’ers he beat?

Maybe there should be an option to stay with previous team. I need to start asking good players to party with me and que with me so I can start winning all my games like OP necro, and win 90% of them 500 to 0.

Not complaining too hard about my losses though, I get 500 points for losing instead of 200-300 points.

just won 16 matches in a row now..
idk whats going on with the matchmaking but i only fight against new players>.<
sometimes there is one who knows what to do but these one are rly rare

If you want my honesty, since the patch December 2, I’ve won all except one match. (was vs CM; 4x cele eles)
So yea :p

Are you guys winning team qued?

You have to realize you have chance to face solo que’ers, which could be biggest reason for your wins. If so I’m glad your winning and facing them, when I really get back into the game I’ll start getting friends and expect to win more than I lose too. Due to partying and making friends equals making you win more games which equals fun.

Terrorsquad.2349:

If you want my honesty, since the patch December 2, I’ve won all except one match. (was vs CM; 4x cele eles)
So yea :p

Do you only Q solo since Dec 2? Or are you grouped with other good players?

This is terrible. My party was: a guy who stepped for the first time into pvp, two dolyak ranks, one deer and me a wolf. We were paired in not one,not two, but five matches aginst dragon and phoenix ranks.

Nice and balanced.

Laserbolt.6731:

Terrorsquad.2349:

If you want my honesty, since the patch December 2, I’ve won all except one match. (was vs CM; 4x cele eles)
So yea :p

Do you only Q solo since Dec 2? Or are you grouped with other good players?

Both, first day and the day after I solo queue’d. Yesterday and today I team-queue’d.

I’ve played probably 10 matches and only lost 2. I played a further 6 team matches and won all 6 (by a mile). Clearly the gods are for ever in my favour.

Issue with Courtyard: Getting the unhappy kitten that doesn’t like the map so he just feeds the other team till it is over. This is why I would rather take dishonor then play that map ever again in ranked unless I am running with one of my 5man groups. (Unless you can fix a way to give dishonor to feeders then this map needs to be removed from ranked.)

Issue with Profession rank: Being a multi class user my MMR will never appear perfect as I am not always playing the same class so my skill level is going to stick me in a lower bracket as I don’t have hours to farm MMR with all my classes I play actively.

Issue with Skyhammer: Still the same map that should have been removed from SoloQ with the only real difference is hammer is dodgeable now. Needs to be removed from ranked.

Past that I have only had limited time in there with the first night dealing with not being able to Q and only having a few hours to Q since due to work and RL obligations.

23 wins out of 24 matches ranked que…kitten 5 ppl lord rush last minute…anyway no difference between ranked and unranked since ladder is not working…only difference is that in unranked you fight such low teams that isn’t even fun to play

and courtyard 500-0 speedruns….just..lol…more likely pvp version of dungeons, if you go with a pretty decent premade you’re just gonna roflstomp everything only lost one vs CM since patch got out

you can also go for time runs there…best 500-0 time is 4:26 for us going for another time attack tomorrow we’re aiming to break <4mins

I’ve been queing in both unranked and ranked but since everything is unranked it doesn’t really matter. I’ve been winning almost all my games unless I get the really bad players that have no idea what to do and no matter what it’s impossible to carry them even when you win 1v2s at far. Hardly ever are the teams fairly balanced enough that the games are somewhat close. Courtyard I’ve only lost once bc the team couldn’t for the life of them, grasp the simple fact of sticking together, targeting and bursting.

The winners aren’t saying if they went in solo or if they team que’d, most likely all the losers are the solo que’ers and the team que’ers are winning all the games.

Haven’t seen any decent premades in like 40 games of yolo queueing( and yes i did win most of those), stop crying realy.

i pretty much go from trioq to premade and got many premades, even 3que vs full premade…but i have to say that many of those 5 ppl teams are probably even worse than pugs, just got only one close game (<100 pnts difference) out of something like 25+ runs today…pugs and premades are not (The main) issue imo….low playerbase is, there’s an insane number of pve heroes queing up atm for some reason…getting a challenging match is really hard those days (You almost need to sync up with other team in order to have some fun)…come on, we were winning on foefire rushing lord with 5 ppl at start and then coming back, wiping all of them tricap and spawncamp…that may be fun first time…second…but third time it really gets pretty stupid..

I suspect the number queuing is LOW. Looking at the Mists tonight it look like about 1/2 of what it was last night.