Guild Wars 2

And I’m sick of it….I don’t know where this cowardly mentality comes from, but it’s a huge disappointment in a game that would otherwise be the best mmo on the market. WvW has been sucking for a long time since I prefer to roam alone, and apparently no one else does, anywhere. I tried SPvP for a couple weeks now, and it sucks, if only for the cowards that play it, not that you won’t find them in all other parts of the game. Just sucks that people like that have to ruin the game for others because they try to make up for their lack of “skill/intelligence” by grouping up. This game has arguably the best combat system of any game, ever, and it’s near impossible to enjoy it when there’s no one out there who will fight you without a numbers advantage.

Before anyone says it, I shouldn’t have to join a private match just to avoid people like this, that way of thinking is a huge part of the problem.

wow people group up on a team game? what? how dare they

Parktou.4263:

And I’m sick of it….I don’t know where this cowardly mentality comes from, but it’s a huge disappointment in a game that would otherwise be the best mmo on the market. WvW has been sucking for a long time since I prefer to roam alone, and apparently no one else does, anywhere. I tried SPvP for a couple weeks now, and it sucks, if only for the cowards that play it, not that you won’t find them in all other parts of the game. Just sucks that people like that have to ruin the game for others because they try to make up for their lack of “skill/intelligence” by grouping up. This game has arguably the best combat system of any game, ever, and it’s near impossible to enjoy it when there’s no one out there who will fight you without a numbers advantage.

Before anyone says it, I shouldn’t have to join a private match just to avoid people like this, that way of thinking is a huge part of the problem.

Then do some Solo or Team Arena instead of hotjoins.

this is working as intended.

strength in numbers.

Hotjoins will always be that way because of their super-casual nature. Try a solo arena or team arena.

It gets BAD in high populated duel servers when that one players does one thing that another player doesn’t like, then everyone else goes kitten -gang on each other for no reason…Or sometimes the Cleanup Crew will come along and wipe out all the zerglings and cause a bunch of QQ. But I don’t know if there’s a whole lot to do about Spvp zerging.

Try solo queue, you’ll have to deal with stupidity but the upside is zerging up loses the game.

Start playing in solo ques. At the very least, stop playing in 8v8 hotjoin games. I assume much of the early complaints (a lot came from the downstate mechanics, and lack map diversity too) about the game came from playing 8v8 hotjoin games and developing a knee-jerk reaction to the spvp system. The system of conquest, designed by its very nature, discourages zerging when the numbers are limited. In 8v8 (which should never exist in the first place with the maps of this size), it is possible because you can easily have about 2-3 people per point – this usually ends up in zerging though. In 5v5, it just isn’t possible to effectively zerg against a team who knows what they are doing. Is playing in solo-que going to solve all your zerging problems? No, because there are stupid people everywhere that don’t know how to deal with zergs, but it’s less of a problem.

With regards to WvW, it helps to know how to roam effectively. I do not mean this in a pejorative sense, but most players simply do not know how to roam. Many players simply think roaming is the act of just that – wandering around looking to pick fights with other small groups of players. They can do that, but there is a good chance that they’re going to get facerolled by a zerg if they’re not paying attention.

Knowing how to roam effectively is even more of a critical issue if someone wishes to do it solo. This means to know all the knooks and crannies in a map (I personally have a rotation I do on certain maps – kind of a list of failsafes to make sure I’m following). To know their class profession well enough to be able to slip past zergs if they pop up. Most importantly, they need to know how to gather information on where the enemy zerg is at nearly all times.

Most of the time, zergs hang out on one map because they are weak players that stick with the group – equivalent to a small town militia picking up some guns and being able to use their trigger fingers. Roamers don’t have that safety net, so they need to be able to find ways deal with that. That being said, you have four maps to work with. Zergs have one or two depending on how active the playerbase is.

There are other ways to be able to roam effectively, but that deserves a post creation and not a simple comment to a complaint.

Teamwork OP.
/15char

Came here expecting this. I was disappointed.

Do, however, join more solo queues and the like. Anything is better than hotjoin 8v8…. Unless you want to test out if you can survive a zerg witha new build.

Parktou.4263:

And I’m sick of it….I don’t know where this cowardly mentality comes from, but it’s a huge disappointment in a game that would otherwise be the best mmo on the market. WvW has been sucking for a long time since I prefer to roam alone, and apparently no one else does, anywhere. I tried SPvP for a couple weeks now, and it sucks, if only for the cowards that play it, not that you won’t find them in all other parts of the game. Just sucks that people like that have to ruin the game for others because they try to make up for their lack of “skill/intelligence” by grouping up. This game has arguably the best combat system of any game, ever, and it’s near impossible to enjoy it when there’s no one out there who will fight you without a numbers advantage.

Before anyone says it, I shouldn’t have to join a private match just to avoid people like this, that way of thinking is a huge part of the problem.

It’s not annoying because it’s cowardly it’s annoying because that’s not how conquest works and if most of your is team is kittening points you will lose because smart players will just recap the point immediately after the zerg rolls off and you will be down 2 points the whole match and lose that’s what drives me crazy about it. You have to get the whole idea of uneven fights = cowardly out of your mine though where pvp is concenred or stick to duel servers.

My personal TPvP rules:

Always back cap
Never fight outnumbered

I dont even communicate with the team, some are nuubs, some arent, but it doesnt matter because every one has their own game plan anyway. I know I do my best and If my team for that matched sucked than so be it.

I’ve noticed a lot of social loafing when I play an 8 vs 8 game. I just go along with the flow, smashing things at random and getting practice at surviving while outnumbered.

When I enter a 5 vs 5 game, I’m winning 1 vs 2s from time to time, and keeping control of much more than what the rest of my team can do. It’s so much easier to see what effect my actions have. Generally I do better in smaller groups.

I don’t play any tpvp anymore. Waiting 5+ minutes to enter a game is pointless.

I don’t think that they “make up for their lack of skill/intelligence” by grouping, but rather, I think that they are causing it by grouping up. It’s just easy to go with the flow.
Even the most skillful players are suspectable to social loafing and group mentality.
It just happens.

Although, I’d also argue that the downed state is a major contribution to higher numbers of players winning all the time as well.

Littlefeather.8623:

My personal TPvP rules:

Always back cap
Never fight outnumbered

so try not to fight players unless you have even numbers or you outnumber the other players, got it.

Brando.1374:

Littlefeather.8623:

My personal TPvP rules:

Always back cap
Never fight outnumbered

so try not to fight players unless you have even numbers or you outnumber the other players, got it.

Its not outnumber but, Im not going to jump in front of two opposing players, thats what I mean. I will train down 1 player, but I will not try to fight against two players. Dont rely on your team mates to come helpd you, you have lvl 2 nuubs going TPvP.

The score/rewards is given to the zerg, not the players who win the round, thru say, defending the nodes.

Bweaty.9187:

The score/rewards is given to the zerg, not the players who win the round, thru say, defending the nodes.

The point is, I am taking my satisfaction from winning matches. I would take any day a won match where I got 30 glory from a lost one where I got 300. If some people are looking at it in a different way, there are doing it wrong IMO. Especially in non-hotjoin matches.

First lesson for pvpers: NEVER take ANYTHING happened in hotjoin seriously.

You go there to:

bash some heads

see how your new build dishes damage against real opponents

getting warmed up before a tournament

farm glory points (not recommended by me)

If you take your satisfaction from a random number generator, you are going to be unsatisfied a LOT of the time.

Take it only from your judgement of how well you played given what was thrown at you.

You should quickly learn to only join 5 vs 5 hotjoin or tournament soloq (i’d suggest hotjoin 5 vs 5, especially if you’re new in pvp).

8 vs 8 is just there to farm glory or to get daily pvp quickly to be honest, otherwise it’s a total waste of time.