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Posted by: Hunter.4783

Hunter.4783

Why are they still at 50% effectiveness? The bunker guard stopped being a viable build ages ago. This is not 2013 anymore.

Can we get them back please?

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Posted by: Larynx.2453

Larynx.2453

Sometimes I wonder how many actually understand the difference between viable and optimal.

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Posted by: Hunter.4783

Hunter.4783

Normally i would agree, but in sPVP, if you are not running the meta, or the best build for your class, you are holding back your team.

And i wonder how many understand that rated sPVP is not your carebear friendly dungeon run where you have people running random builds in rares because they find exotics are expensive. You can’t carry those players in sPVP im afraid

its why you don’t see zerker 6/6/x/x eles or warriors in tourneys

In any case, these 2 skills need to be buffed.

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Posted by: brannigan.9831

brannigan.9831

How can there be both viable and optimal in a competitive game? You either are the best class/build for a certain role or ridiculously close say 95%+ as effective or your garbage if you are serious about winning as far as I am concerned. There are people that will tell you longbow ranger is viable because they can pew pew people worse then them all day long. Too bad when they face someone there skill level or higher they get face planted all day long. If they are not going to nerf celestial ele and engineer yes Guardians could use some buffs in my opinion.

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Posted by: tom.7468

tom.7468

Inb4 guardians tell you to l2p and OP META

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Posted by: Sorel.4870

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How can there be both viable and optimal in a competitive game? You either are the best class/build for a certain role or ridiculously close say 95%+ as effective or your garbage if you are serious about winning as far as I am concerned. There are people that will tell you longbow ranger is viable because they can pew pew people worse then them all day long. Too bad when they face someone there skill level or higher they get face planted all day long. If they are not going to nerf celestial ele and engineer yes Guardians could use some buffs in my opinion.

That’s not how it works. For one thing, bunker guardian received no nerf, and celestial engineer received no buff which would justify their presence/absence in the current meta. It’s just the way we are playing the game that changed. People found out, after the warrior nerf, that the most effective tactic was now to have semi-bunkers rather than straight out bunkers, and to have dps builds with a good sustain (cele engineer, meditation guardian). The bunker strat is still viable however: just see how 55HP Monks performs well in EU tournaments, and that’s not because of one crazy good player making the best of an okay build (like Helseth or Eurantien), that’s just because it’s good. It requires a better coordination though (you don’t have to just even the fights), and seeing how NA can’t even find a good enough cele team to slightly worry the Abjured, I doubt it can see the emergence of a good bunker team anytime soon.

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Posted by: Exedore.6320

Exedore.6320

Selfless Daring should not be nerfed by 50%. It’s hampers the trait and the trait line. You could argue against moving it back to 100%, but it does need boosted from its current level.

“Save Yourselves!” isn’t all that bad at 50%. At 10 second duration, it was pretty cheesy when used for burst instead of the intended team support role.

And bunker guardian isn’t top tier mostly because of the amulet system. The build can’t increase its damage without being too weak in another aspect.

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Posted by: Shanks.2907

Shanks.2907

Inb4 guardians tell you to l2p and OP META

You missed “guardians are in a good place”.