Guild Wars 2

As per Ben P’s response here on the reddit AMA. The poll on whether to remain solo/duo or not is planned for after S6.

Thoughts?

Bad idea. Limiting ranked queue size is hurting PvP more than helping.

The arguments against larger queue sizes in ranked are nonsense and full of holes:

• Premades have Voice Comm Many group queues don’t use voice comms or don’t use it well.
• Premades Always Win I’ve seen them lose quite often. The fact that the group queued together doesn’t mean their more coordinated than a PUG. Premades also get an inflated matchmaking value, making them more likely to fight higher rated solo players.
• Premades have a Better Comp Anyone can swap professions before the match starts. Talk to your teammates.
• Team Queues get higher ranks It’s a team game. Coordinating as a team should be reflected by a higher rating.

People whining against team queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure and unwillingness to improve themselves or work as a team.

Here’s the harm that the restriction causes, which are related and build on each other:

• Discourages PvP Participation Many players don’t play or don’t play as often because they can’t play with multiple friends. MMOs promote groups, but the queue restrictions prevent that.
• Degrades Teamplay PvP includes working as a team – playing your build’s role, rallying allies, being aware of the map, etc. Solo and duo players ignore these and when both sides do this, it just degrades further. There are no true teams to show the others they need to work together in order to win.
• Promotes Toxicity When you don’t have teams, the blame for a loss goes flying. And when players can’t escape the toxicity by playing with friends, it frustrates them.

game should have solo/duo queue and a team queue.

increase rewards for the team queue to encourage participation, and forbid class stacking.

sure a lot of people say that team queue can’t work, but look at all the people complaining about comps and teammates. there’s an absolute ton of them. if they all teamed up we’d have a healthy population.

i know i’d be able to field a team, and i just moved my account to EU so 99% of my contact list is on NA. so if i can do it, how hard can it be?

this game shines in 5v5 with actual comps and communication. solo/duo is actually not that great of an experience, kitten many people will leap to tell you.

adding team queue would be good for the health of the pvp scene. i’m sure we’d see much more, and better tournament participation if people had teams they played with regularly.

but hey, this is anet were talking about, so i’m not going to hold my breath.

I am completely against solo-duo only. This game is about 5v5, it should promote teams, collaboration and cooperation between players. Fun is created by players meeting together, not by random computer formulas.

Then, Season 6 has ALREADY failed.

A separate 5v5 and solo queue needed to have been the first order of the day.

It makes no sense really. This solo/duo queue system is horrible. Solo queue players still complain every time the other team has more duo teams than they do, and team players still complain that they can’t queue as a team. The current system isn’t working for either side. So now we’re in a situation where Anet caved in to a bunch of whiners, gave everyone a system they didn’t want, and now they don’t want to hear what we think about it through the poll they said they’d have?

PvP now just feels like the casual battlegrounds from WoW with a leaderboard attached. With no tournaments being announced either, I guess Anet just has no plans for competitive PvP anymore. Kinda just feels like they’ve given up on that. Hopefully, if they intend for PvP to just be casual battlegrounds, they can at least give us more game modes like capture the flag and what not.

Welcome to the Gw2 Twilight Zone. Keeping Solo/Duo quene can’t understand them cause its a joke. Would understand if we had ingame Voip what we don’t and its year 2017!!!We have to type in chat to random gathered people hey TYPE!!! Then 6-8 seconds can cause serious inbalance ingame. Another reason its madness random scraped team trying to perform and creating Toxicity and stupid Witch hunt ingame! That is literally intentional with the Solo/Duo system. How is suppose a scraped team with randoms suppose to win it? Team with randoms – you do not know which build he has,no communication,people not swaping classes to parry enemy setup.There so many problems and we can list them all. So in the end it comes down we play Russian Roulette with ranked…..

Exedore.6320:

People whining against team queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure and unwillingness to improve themselves or work as a team.

Alternative view

People whining against Solo/Duo queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure to win solo and requiring a premade to help carry their low skill kitten . .

I thought I was the only one to think that this season solo/duo did not do well to guilds but I see that there are other players who think like me.
My guild has gone all in World of Warcraft, and will not return until in gw2 there will be this kind of game. The only pvp event allow us not to play together.
Now even those who voted YES for this foolishness now are not convinced. Finally these people understand that not lose because of the guilds. It would be advisable to redo a vote but this time make everyone participate with an ad in game !!
This is obscene that in a multiplayer we are forced to play solo / duo. How can you do something organized when you find yourself playing with players who know nothing and when you find someone you would play you can not because there is solo/ duo. That put two tails 1 for teams and one for solo/ duo so people stop crying because he does not win. Because reading here in the forum every single day there is someone crying for a different reason.
It is a game if you can not understand how to play, learn!! if you do not want to learn, go to PvE!!

Indeed GW2 gets more a solo and play with a friend game. Many guilds are dying or already gone (Mine too only three left :-( ). Both player types should be supported well to keep a healthy world.

Solo and 5 man team or bust.

Bad ArenaNet. Bad.

Spartacus.3192:

Exedore.6320:

People whining against team queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure and unwillingness to improve themselves or work as a team.

Alternative view

People whining against Solo/Duo queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure to win solo and requiring a premade to help carry their low skill kitten . .

So let me get this straight. Assuming that those players are bad as you claim, you’re saying that simply by queuing together as a group, they dominate? Despite still all being bad and likely unable to work together as a team. That’s ridiculous.

If you’re talking about top players queuing with bottom players, then there’s a limit to how far they go, and it will be well below the top 250. This can be addressed by putting a limit on the difference between min and max rating in a team queue.

Players asking for team queue want it :

• So that they can play with friends
• Because they enjoy the depth of teamplay which is absent from solo/duo queue

Exedore.6320:

Spartacus.3192:

Exedore.6320:

People whining against team queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure and unwillingness to improve themselves or work as a team.

Alternative view

People whining against Solo/Duo queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure to win solo and requiring a premade to help carry their low skill kitten . .

So let me get this straight. Assuming that those players are bad as you claim, you’re saying that simply by queuing together as a group, they dominate? Despite still all being bad and likely unable to work together as a team. That’s ridiculous.

If you’re talking about top players queuing with bottom players, then there’s a limit to how far they go, and it will be well below the top 250. This can be addressed by putting a limit on the difference between min and max rating in a team queue.

Players asking for team queue want it :

• So that they can play with friends
• Because they enjoy the depth of teamplay which is absent from solo/duo queue

First of all that’s not what i said. my point being that a weaker player can get carried into a much higher division by queuing with better friends. Im not talking about single celled amoeba players, im talking silver player teaming up with high gold/plat players can easily get carried into gold just by being in a team. Its been talked about plenty of times and pretty much accepted.

Second your request for playing with “friends” can be done with unranked if friends is what you consider most important. Now if you say you want to Q ranked with friends then im also in agreement with most people in that we should have separate queues,

Solo Q and Team Q. What i don’t agree with is a mixed queue where you can q 4-5 people and come across solos (yes i know 5 team cant meet 5 solo it meets 3 solo 1 duo).

Spartacus.3192:

Exedore.6320:

Spartacus.3192:

Exedore.6320:

People whining against team queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure and unwillingness to improve themselves or work as a team.

Alternative view

People whining against Solo/Duo queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure to win solo and requiring a premade to help carry their low skill kitten . .

So let me get this straight. Assuming that those players are bad as you claim, you’re saying that simply by queuing together as a group, they dominate? Despite still all being bad and likely unable to work together as a team. That’s ridiculous.

If you’re talking about top players queuing with bottom players, then there’s a limit to how far they go, and it will be well below the top 250. This can be addressed by putting a limit on the difference between min and max rating in a team queue.

Players asking for team queue want it :

• So that they can play with friends
• Because they enjoy the depth of teamplay which is absent from solo/duo queue

First of all that’s not what i said. my point being that a weaker player can get carried into a much higher division by queuing with better friends. Im not talking about single celled amoeba players, im talking silver player teaming up with high gold/plat players can easily get carried into gold just by being in a team. Its been talked about plenty of times and pretty much accepted.

Second your request for playing with “friends” can be done with unranked if friends is what you consider most important. Now if you say you want to Q ranked with friends then im also in agreement with most people in that we should have separate queues,

Solo Q and Team Q. What i don’t agree with is a mixed queue where you can q 4-5 people and come across solos (yes i know 5 team cant meet 5 solo it meets 3 solo 1 duo).

Who is it that keeps asking for mixed queues? I keep seeing all these responses about people not wanting mixed queue every time someone is asking for a separate team queue. I don’t get it, why even bring up mixed queues?

Also, you say a silver player can get a higher rating than he deserves by teaming up with his gold friend? I don’t get it, hasn’t everyone in these forums been talking about how you can’t carry other players? A silver player on a team of gold players against another team of all gold players is still dragging his team down, unless he is actually a gold player stuck in silver. Also not sure what’s wrong with players performing better in a team they can coordinate with. I mean, that’s kinda the point. It’s a team game. You’re supposed to coordinate with eachother to win.

Shaogin.2679:

Also not sure what’s wrong with players performing better in a team they can coordinate with. I mean, that’s kinda the point. It’s a team game. You’re supposed to coordinate with eachother to win.

And the best way to coordinate is in solo-duo, because you can type more than “Hi/Bye”.

Also, you can communicate real tacticts in chat, announce fields and blasts for combos, select target and provide multiple arguments why the selected player is the best target.

Also, you can grow together with your duo friend and make new friends along the way even if now they are in your team, and next match they are your enemies. Meeting others is a very productive way of entertainment.

Also, in solo-duo people can congratulate each other at the end of the game, and share ideas about the past game, what proved to be a perfect synergy, and what did not help so much as a team bond.

Also, after win, we can then add them to friends list, and discuss even elements from PvE because we can have many achievement points together.

In PvP, a person we just met, can become a partner for solo-duo in the next day, because we are a tight and friendly community playing in teams, together.

The Guild Wars 2 game allows us up to 5 guilds. We can join their PvP only guild, and they can join our PvP guild, so we can access multiple PvP chats; this way we can share even more information about PvP and make it more entertaining and more productive towards wins.

Acrisor.8097:

Shaogin.2679:

Also not sure what’s wrong with players performing better in a team they can coordinate with. I mean, that’s kinda the point. It’s a team game. You’re supposed to coordinate with eachother to win.

And the best way to coordinate is in solo-duo, because you can type more than “Hi/Bye”.

Also, you can communicate real tacticts in chat, announce fields and blasts for combos, select target and provide multiple arguments why the selected player is the best target.

Also, you can grow together with your duo friend and make new friends along the way even if now they are in your team, and next match they are your enemies. Meeting others is a very productive way of entertainment.

Also, in solo-duo people can congratulate each other at the end of the game, and share ideas about the past game, what proved to be a perfect synergy, and what did not help so much as a team bond.

Also, after win, we can then add them to friends list, and discuss even elements from PvE because we can have many achievement points together.

In PvP, a person we just met, can become a partner for solo-duo in the next day, because we are a tight and friendly community playing in teams, together.

The Guild Wars 2 game allows us up to 5 guilds. We can join their PvP only guild, and they can join our PvP guild, so we can access multiple PvP chats; this way we can share even more information about PvP and make it more entertaining and more productive towards wins.

that feel when the whole team uses finishers in your water because you typed in the teamfight. that feel when you explore the depth of the game.

#typinginteamfights

Exedore.6320:

Bad idea. Limiting ranked queue size is hurting PvP more than helping.

The arguments against larger queue sizes in ranked are nonsense and full of holes:

• Premades have Voice Comm Many group queues don’t use voice comms or don’t use it well.
• Premades Always Win I’ve seen them lose quite often. The fact that the group queued together doesn’t mean their more coordinated than a PUG. Premades also get an inflated matchmaking value, making them more likely to fight higher rated solo players.
• Premades have a Better Comp Anyone can swap professions before the match starts. Talk to your teammates.
• Team Queues get higher ranks It’s a team game. Coordinating as a team should be reflected by a higher rating.

People whining against team queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure and unwillingness to improve themselves or work as a team.

Here’s the harm that the restriction causes, which are related and build on each other:

• Discourages PvP Participation Many players don’t play or don’t play as often because they can’t play with multiple friends. MMOs promote groups, but the queue restrictions prevent that.
• Degrades Teamplay PvP includes working as a team – playing your build’s role, rallying allies, being aware of the map, etc. Solo and duo players ignore these and when both sides do this, it just degrades further. There are no true teams to show the others they need to work together in order to win.
• Promotes Toxicity When you don’t have teams, the blame for a loss goes flying. And when players can’t escape the toxicity by playing with friends, it frustrates them.

i 100% agree with you on this
i have been on team with random players where we won n still had a teammate kittening at another teammate for sucking
oh my favorite one bout this season was whn ppl see 2-3 thieves on a team and decide to switch to a thief to make us intentionally lose (sarcasm——i didnt like that 1 bit)
r.i.p gw2 pvp

I’m on the fence between solo and premades, I’m mainly a solo queuer. On one hand it’s true that not all Premades are on coms, but on the other it’s still a advantage. Going into ranked as a premade, ranked is generally a place where you want to maximize your chance of winning the match, so coms is to be expected when you see premades, I really think people are just using the “it’s a team game” argument as a excuse. When you solo queue or duo, you can’t cherry pick the other 3-4 players on your team, while they aren’t cherry picked you still get a team. So technically it’s still a team game just not the type of team forming you want.

Now if Matchmaking balanced team distribution right as in like one team gets a trio queue the other team gets a trio queue as well (3, 1, 1 vs 3, 1,1) I’d be for supporting that. But what I’m guessing people want, is to have premades back to farm solo queuers when they propose team queues be brought back. If people just want to have fun with premades unranked is there, if they want a competative team, well there needs to be tournys or a way to fight other teams like a guild/team queue(With majorly improved rewards or even ascended shards) or setting up scrims with other teams.

Guyz, a game wide POLL for a PVP game mode is completely bad for the PVP community.

Anyone with some intelligence can understand that most PVE players don’t play sPvP and so, their vote should be null and void.

Only players with hundreds of spvp games should be able to VOTE for the sPvP game mode.

Anet think that deleting is a FIX to a problem, it shows over the year that deleting more than 50% of the spvp games demonstrate a suicidal tendencies.

No other PVP game offer less Features over time. All game give more or add up new features into their offering.

For Gw2, deleting is better than offering more.

But please, pay more cause they need money to delete it even more.

Please DELETE Anet to fix the removing of features from our game…

Regards,

Lucentfir.7430:

I’m on the fence between solo and premades, I’m mainly a solo queuer. On one hand it’s true that not all Premades are on coms, but on the other it’s still a advantage. Going into ranked as a premade, ranked is generally a place where you want to maximize your chance of winning the match, so coms is to be expected when you see premades, I really think people are just using the “it’s a team game” argument as a excuse. When you solo queue or duo, you can’t cherry pick the other 3-4 players on your team, while they aren’t cherry picked you still get a team. So technically it’s still a team game just not the type of team forming you want.

Now if Matchmaking balanced team distribution right as in like one team gets a trio queue the other team gets a trio queue as well (3, 1, 1 vs 3, 1,1) I’d be for supporting that. But what I’m guessing people want, is to have premades back to farm solo queuers when they propose team queues be brought back. If people just want to have fun with premades unranked is there, if they want a competative team, well there needs to be tournys or a way to fight other teams like a guild/team queue(With majorly improved rewards or even ascended shards) or setting up scrims with other teams.

Who is wanting mixed queues? Here I thought people wanted a team queue completely separate from solo queue. But you’re probably right, obviously people here want a 5v5 only queue so they can hack the game and farm the players in the completely separate solo queue.

Unranked is a great idea however. How about ranked queue be for 5-man teams only, and solo queue players can have unranked since you guys think it is so great?

Shaogin.2679:

Lucentfir.7430:

I’m on the fence between solo and premades, I’m mainly a solo queuer. On one hand it’s true that not all Premades are on coms, but on the other it’s still a advantage. Going into ranked as a premade, ranked is generally a place where you want to maximize your chance of winning the match, so coms is to be expected when you see premades, I really think people are just using the “it’s a team game” argument as a excuse. When you solo queue or duo, you can’t cherry pick the other 3-4 players on your team, while they aren’t cherry picked you still get a team. So technically it’s still a team game just not the type of team forming you want.

Now if Matchmaking balanced team distribution right as in like one team gets a trio queue the other team gets a trio queue as well (3, 1, 1 vs 3, 1,1) I’d be for supporting that. But what I’m guessing people want, is to have premades back to farm solo queuers when they propose team queues be brought back. If people just want to have fun with premades unranked is there, if they want a competative team, well there needs to be tournys or a way to fight other teams like a guild/team queue(With majorly improved rewards or even ascended shards) or setting up scrims with other teams.

Who is wanting mixed queues? Here I thought people wanted a team queue completely separate from solo queue. But you’re probably right, obviously people here want a 5v5 only queue so they can hack the game and farm the players in the completely separate solo queue.

Unranked is a great idea however. How about ranked queue be for 5-man teams only, and solo queue players can have unranked since you guys think it is so great?

If you mean a actual 5v5 premade only queue I’d support that as well, but I recall someone saying the pool size for 5v5 is too small to have it’s own queue. If that’s changed though by all means it has my support to be added in.

Spartacus.3192:

Exedore.6320:

People whining against team queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure and unwillingness to improve themselves or work as a team.

Alternative view

People whining against Solo/Duo queues in ranked are just using it an excuse for their own failure to win solo and requiring a premade to help carry their low skill kitten . .

OR another alternative view: People with titles earned by duo whine because they take advantage of the system some people want removed for fairness.

Titles are given to individuals thus not really a team sport. Even duo is not a team sport. 5v5 (as in team) would be a team sport. Solo queue rank titles would then be truly “solo” by removing duo.

You and a friend rank up doing duo because you are beast mode….you abandon friend because you find a better duo partner. You get God Of PvP or something like that. Did you earn the “single” title? Nope not really.

Eh… we all have opinions

Good to know I won’t be playing Season 6, then.

I still think there should be two separate leader-boards one for solo-duo q and one for team q.

If you want to solo/duo q leave the current matchmaking, but add a separate q and leader board for pre-mades

Yes Q times would be slightly longer for solo/duo, and prob much longer for team q but matches I think would be far more balanced and enjoyable.

Jourdelune.7456:

Anyone with some intelligence can understand that most PVE players don’t play sPvP and so, their vote should be null and void.

Somehow I doubt there are many PvE players wandering about on the PvP forums.