Guild Wars 2

What are your guys thoughts on Skyhammer being included in the tournament rotation or being a part of sponsored tournaments? I personally think it would be a great addition, but what do you guys think?

It will be awful and will be removed from rotation like Spirit Watch was.

Just wait for the kittenload of whines about people getting knocked down over and over by fears/long kbs/mesmer pulls/whatever. It will be like Tor Anroc over and over again, but without lava (who played Warhammer Online knows what I means).

It is needed for a few days, like until friday. This way we don’t have to go to hotjoin and experience it in a tournament-context. Anet will get enough feedback by then and I can’t imagine it’s that bad to play something new for two days.

Uhm, has the patch even hit yet? How can you determine if it should be in the rotation or not if you haven’t even played on the map? From the videos it looks like it will be an interesting new map that might fit the rotation, however, i thought the same for spirit watch. I hate spirit watch.

Map is not even out…. talk about being premature

well when the holes on the floor open it makes mesmers god they just push you right through the hole. It wouldn’t be bad if it didn’t insta down you.

Not even close, lets have it in a open format where we can try it out. I want the map rotations to be maps people know with some mod. level skill.

My opinion the map is horrible. The mesmer thing mentioned above, missing a jump pad up does 2k damage is from falling, knockbacks, fears, launchers are way to punishing on this map at points (engis have fun here), another lame cannon mechanic (who likes this type of stuff in a 5v5 anyways?, I’d rather fight players).

All and all serious disapointment in Anet and thei decisions making process, the game has had so many bugs and issues with classes and they make new maps? How about flushing out the classes, seriously….

It is fun but why can’t you dodge the gun?

Hate this bs map, one match was enough.

Lordrosicky.5813:

It is fun but why can’t you dodge the gun?

I think you can dodge it, but the timing seems weird, will have to try again

Btw, if I wanted to play Command and Conquer, I wouldn’t log in GW2…. -.-

Interesting map. The area inside the cannon is kittened though, can’t move for jack.
Also my professions lack of stability really showed itself here :o.

Shar.3402:

Lordrosicky.5813:

It is fun but why can’t you dodge the gun?

I think you can dodge it, but the timing seems weird, will have to try again

Btw, if I wanted to play Command and Conquer, I wouldn’t log in GW2…. -.-

You cant block it I dont think. Tried with shield block on warrior

No for the love of god no. This was definitely a map made with hot join in mind please remove it from the rotation its an annoying map the points are hard as kitten to bunker with all the knock back and the horrible idea that you can cause holes in the floor that cause you to fall to your death. This map extremely favors roamers to bunkers in every aspect. Also the fact that the cannon can cover an entire point and you cannot block or dodge it is ridiculous. Differently not a tourny map.

Yay instakill mechanics, people love those!

Its buggy.
Mesmer clones/thief npcs floating on the holes because of that whole NPC’s can’t take falling damage coding.

Cannon hits redonkulusly hard for being undodgeable.

No absolutely not

HELLLLLLLLL NNAWWWWWWW

I would say no. This is the biggest troll map, and it’s going to encourage troll builds, and pigeonhole people into run mass fears and kds, pulls. If you think necros are bad now wait till you have three or four of them fear locking you off a cliff.

LMAO needle trap and tripwire on thieves is finally useful

Awful map, basically an engy trollground. CC warrior would be next contender, but he is totally shutdown by blinds trying to land anything and suffers from lack of mobility for such a big map. So physical builds are out.

Skills which teleport or skills which hit an enemy midanimation when near jumppad totally fail and start doing some magical things.

Being able to stealth cap/fire cannon is broken.

Totally hate the breakable floors and the trolly nature of this map that only give hard CC (knockback/launch) professions the edge and hate instakill so much.
Also the unblockable/dodgeable cannon which forces you off the point is ridiculous.

I like the map lookwise and I can understand the idea, but atm it’s just too buggy, doesn’t feel thought out and extremely frustrating. Would fit in a FPS/TPS. Give me a shock rifle and I’m all up for this map.

What a disappointment.
It is a fun map for sure, but definitely not a tournament map.

Yes. This should be in the tourney rotation.

~Said no one ever.

#believeinSkyhammer!

In all seriousness though, this map is insanely fun to watch.

yes should be :P
but laser is a bit to strong atm :/

Maybe if they do some tuning it’ll be there. The map is fairly fun it puts emphasis on certain abilities that couldn’t capitalize on such a niche before.
But that Cannon is broken in more ways than one.
Floor panels are bugged out pathing problems.
The space around capture points, is really small.
Jump pads act weird.

Pandabro.8743:

#believeinSkyhammer!

In all seriousness though, this map is insanely fun to watch.

Shar.3402:

It will be like Tor Anroc over and over again, but without lava (who played Warhammer Online knows what I means).

Made my day xD

Ah good ol Tor Anroc.
Playing a Dwarf IronBreaker and flinging people into lava was too much fun

As for this map, it will probably need a few balance tweaks and bug fixes.

Dear god no, it’s a totally different game. For what it’s worth, I would LOVE to see some custom games/tournaments come up around this map. I would watch “Hammers on Skyhammer” or an all engi 8v8 or something, though.

Not really a creative map – is it just me, or did anet copied alot of quake 3 map only reskined it and instead of a rail gun on the outer platform you get a different rail gun?

I cant imagine this map played in comp tournies – a lot of cheap deaths, a lot of glitches on jumpads, sometimes dodgable sometimes not rail gun, etc. Not as crappy as capricon, but a second spot for sure…

I like it. Easier to control that cannon than a Treb. So a bit fun for me(fitting for my engineer) cause I’m bad at Kyhlo.

Can understand that a lot don’t like it cause some classes have more knockback stuff(like engineere).

Still I’d like this and Spirit Watch at tournament(but not Capricorn! ).

No, it should definitely not be a tourny map.
At least not in this state.
The reason I think so is not that engineers or necro will rule or something like that. Sure, both will be extremely strong because of heavy cc and many high-grounds but I think the problem is somewhere else.

Instead I think that the second objective, the cannon is simply too powerful.
It does approximately the damage of the kylo-treb, has, depending on the target areas, a 6-9 second firing time, has a kitten huge area of effect and . is. NOT. DODGEABLE!
That´s just a bit too much for the good.
I don´t want to be the bunker that has to defend points against classes firing from the high grounds AND the cannon.
I think this map definitely works against bunkers and promotes cc-heavy roamers.

So I already see the cannon becoming the main objective of the map in tournies. Maybe something like 1player goes for mid + close each and 3 battle for the cannon O_O It´s just toooo good to leave it for a second objective >.<

Can we like…make it so everyone is invulnerable and the only weapon is a hammer with banish?

Because I just watched Blu punting people over walls in my Class today and I swear to god the guy thought I was insane. I was laughing so hard.

Minimal particle effects, you can see when people die, and it’s funny as hell to watch. Do it. Someone please.

Not a tourny map. It’s horrible and full of gimmicks. It’s so frustrating to play on and doesn’t feel rewarding either.

Too much gimmicks. Too much style over substance. Give me forest map and some streams. Not mega lazer death cannons. The sheer rage coming out from my PVP friends on Skype today… I honestly think this map could make them quit the game. ¬_¬

This map is insanely fun to play.
This wouldn’t be as fun for a Thief, but…

I feel exactly like Sephius, take that map away of tourney as fast as possible and put it with capricorn (capricorn is a better map for me)

If they remove it from tournament = remove it completely. Hotjoin zerging is boring. All maps not in tournament should be removed completely or they should make seperate queues – tournament queue map pool A, tournament queue map pool B.

Tbh, I can’t comprehend what ANET is thinking.

We are almost 1 year into the game and instead of developing competitive maps to add to the short and repetitive (because its short) map pool. (for tournaments)
They keep wasting develop time on this troll maps that have very little sense in a balance perspective and that will hardly haaaardly (unless someone is insane) be added to tournament map pool.

Don’t waste your dear spvp resources, 1-year long making useless maps, either make decent ones or bring the tools for the mod community to develop them, I bet they would make a better job to bring better and fresh maps to the scene with no cost to ANET.

I’m hugely dissapointed by the continued failure to improve the map pool.

PS: They could had aswell released this map as a pve mini-game feature where you get 3 locked skills being fear\knockback\launch. It would be the same thing but balanced.

murtas.2417:

Tbh, I can’t comprehend what ANET is thinking.

We are almost 1 year into the game and instead of developing competitive maps to add to the short and repetitive (because its short) map pool. (for tournaments)
They keep wasting develop time on this troll maps that have very little sense in a balance perspective and that will hardly haaaardly (unless someone is insane) be added to tournament map pool.

The sad thing is, I’m pretty sure they thought the map would be amazing for tournament play…

I dunno. Just because its not a meta/mechanic we’re used to doesn’t mean it can’t be balanced.

Spirit watch and this map are both completely different then what we’re used to. Can spirit watch be balanced? Sure. Can this map be balanced? Sure.

Do you people not test anything in your jobs/everyday loves? You have to do a bit of trial by fire people your not going to make something perfect instantaneously.

Come on people. You ask for diversity and then you scream when something different appears and your like “give me forest! Give me Foefire!”

Give me a break

what ever. the new map is great. adapt and learn to play.

DXIEdge.2789:

Come on people. You ask for diversity and then you scream when something different appears and your like “give me forest! Give me Foefire!”

Give me a break

This.

I think it’s awesome that people are already discussing different builds specifically for this map. I think it’d be great to see this thrown in the middle of a 3 map tournament rotation so players would be forced to develop strategies around it and change their lineups to adapt.

DXIEdge.2789:

Come on people. You ask for diversity and then you scream when something different appears and your like “give me forest! Give me Foefire!”

This

This is the worst map i have ever see complitely nonsense …. delete this map forever or put this map only in hotjoin… DELETE SKYHAMMER IN TOURNAMENT

I just don’t understand you people. You are supposed to play every single map in a different way. You can’t expect your build to work well on every map. Adapt, try to get some stability, put some other knockbacks or launches in your build. You complained so much about the burst meta, then you complained a lot about the condi meta, and when maps that make mobility, CC, and good rotations important you simply complain and want them removed.

I really like this map. It makes CC usefull when it simply wasn’t in other maps. The only thing this map needs is something to tell you the cannon is firing and the possibility to dodge the shot.

P.S For those who say positioning is meaningless in this game, try to knock people off the cliffs when their backs are facing the wall, try to stay near the cliff borders and expect not to die.

Pandabro.8743:

DXIEdge.2789:

Come on people. You ask for diversity and then you scream when something different appears and your like “give me forest! Give me Foefire!”

Give me a break

This.

I think it’s awesome that people are already discussing different builds specifically for this map.

Offcourse, they just gave the ability for CC to insta kill people. Yeah, great mechanic, insta gib CC’s.
Whoever is playing that map without abusing this new CC ability to instakill and win matches, is doing it wrong and thats why the map is not nearly any decent or balanced.
(It will be worse in the coming days, when everyone has modified their builds for this)

Not even talking about the Cannon, oh a treb that you cant evade, so original we dont have a map with that feature yet.

Really? Really? Reeeaaaaally?

Undodgeable, unblockable 10k nuke… i don’t even see the point in playing this map

Acandis.3250:

Undodgeable, unblockable 10k nuke… i don’t even see the point in playing this map

Don´t forget the insane range

I haven’t played it yet can someone quickly explain this.

The beam is telegraphed right? You see the laser and like 5 seconds later it explodes?

How far can you get away before it explodes? Are there other telegraphs?

Cuz if not and its unavoidable that’s kittened and probably a bug O.o

Yes you can see the beam and walk out of the aoe. It’s not that hard to walk out of a circle u know.