Guild Wars 2

We all know how condis can be very strong if not speced for.
most classes have some form of condi cleansing that can be very useful against condi builds.

but what if we gave every class a condi immunity trait line similar to diamond skin that would make classes who take these builds the nemesis of pure condi builds?

revenant demon stance seems to fulfil that role of a ‘diamond skin’
warrior berserker elite seems to fulfil that role too.
other classes? should all classes have something similar?

another useless thread: game atm is extremely balanced, and tired of reading cries like this. step up your game. only thing I dislike atm is that one cannot evade the taunts, other then this I have no complaigns whatsoever about the game balance in any way

Darksteel.8412:

another useless thread: game atm is extremely balanced, and tired of reading cries like this. step up your game. only thing I dislike atm is that one cannot evade the taunts, other then this I have no complaigns whatsoever about the game balance in any way

um…i’m not complaining/crying…
i’m just asking if every class should have a choice to build for condi immunity at the expense of some other traits.

So basically…“How can we turn other classes into clones of each other just with different skins”.

Diamond Skin is a terribly designed trait, it is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have.

zinkz.7045:

Diamond Skin is a terribly designed trait, it is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have.

Mind if I ask why? What makes it anymore terrible than blocks, invulnerability, evasion or just general tankiness.

We need trait called bubble wrap skin. When you use trait you won’t take power damage.

DIamond skin is ok as it is . I play eng condition and i don’t see it as a problem. You have only to make his heal going down …. it is not so op in my opinion. It is not DIamond skin the cause of the strenght of D/D ele

EremiteAngel.9765:

Darksteel.8412:

another useless thread: game atm is extremely balanced, and tired of reading cries like this. step up your game. only thing I dislike atm is that one cannot evade the taunts, other then this I have no complaigns whatsoever about the game balance in any way

um…i’m not complaining/crying…
i’m just asking if every class should have a choice to build for condi immunity at the expense of some other traits.

should all classes be able to have acces to stealth at the expense of few traits or teleports, see now how childish this (your post) is?

Darksteel.8412:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Darksteel.8412:

another useless thread: game atm is extremely balanced, and tired of reading cries like this. step up your game. only thing I dislike atm is that one cannot evade the taunts, other then this I have no complaigns whatsoever about the game balance in any way

um…i’m not complaining/crying…
i’m just asking if every class should have a choice to build for condi immunity at the expense of some other traits.

should all classes be able to have acces to stealth at the expense of few traits or teleports, see now how childish this (your post) is?

how rude can you get -_-

zinkz.7045:

Diamond Skin is a terribly designed trait, it is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have.

EremiteAngel.9765:

Darksteel.8412:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Darksteel.8412:

another useless thread: game atm is extremely balanced, and tired of reading cries like this. step up your game. only thing I dislike atm is that one cannot evade the taunts, other then this I have no complaigns whatsoever about the game balance in any way

um…i’m not complaining/crying…
i’m just asking if every class should have a choice to build for condi immunity at the expense of some other traits.

should all classes be able to have acces to stealth at the expense of few traits or teleports, see now how childish this (your post) is?

how rude can you get -_-

To put it more politely then. At what point do you draw the line? Sure, it might begin with Diamond Skin; at what point do we cease to see any defining characteristics between class mechanics? Certain classes (cough Engineer cough) have had similar mechanics gutted altogether due to power creep. It would not be wise to follow through with such a change or similar effects.

Elementalist Wars 2

Necrotize.2974:

zinkz.7045:

Diamond Skin is a terribly designed trait, it is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have.

Mind if I ask why? What makes it anymore terrible than blocks, invulnerability, evasion or just general tankiness.

Build Variants This Game Has

Bunker
Power
Conditions

Mix and match these build variants anyway you see fit to match your playstyle.

There is NO single trait in the game that can completely counter a build like Diamond Skin can. Even shout condi cleansing builds is 3x more fair.

Like everyone has said, it’s how the trait mechanic works, it shouldn’t exist in the game.

EremiteAngel.9765:

We all know how condis can be very strong if not speced for.
most classes have some form of condi cleansing that can be very useful against condi builds.

but what if we gave every class a condi immunity trait line similar to diamond skin that would make classes who take these builds the nemesis of pure condi builds?

revenant demon stance seems to fulfil that role of a ‘diamond skin’
warrior berserker elite seems to fulfil that role too.
other classes? should all classes have something similar?

yes.

but only if you make / include same exact options vs power based damage. complete immunities FTW.

/s off

Actually i think its the opposite. no class should have anything like this. A single trait that shuts down all of your armor weapons traits sigils and runes if you specced a specific way is just bad design.

infantrydiv.1620:

zinkz.7045:

Diamond Skin is a terribly designed trait, it is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have.

zinkz.7045:

Diamond Skin is a terribly designed trait, it is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have.

+1

Tim.6450:

zinkz.7045:

Diamond Skin is a terribly designed trait, it is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have.

+1

Agreed, a good fix for it would be to reduce the duration of all incoming conditions by 50% instead of its current implementation. And furthermore, this thread shouldn’t even exist. These forums are have dwindled down to what I like to call “politics”. Even if you spew out garbage from your mouth, people will eventually see you as correct if you keep repeating yourself.

Diamond skin is a great example of a hard counter, something that shouldn’t exist, screws with balance, build diversity, and overall just brings the game down as a whole.

Countless

Saiyan.1704:

Necrotize.2974:

zinkz.7045:

Diamond Skin is a terribly designed trait, it is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have.

Mind if I ask why? What makes it anymore terrible than blocks, invulnerability, evasion or just general tankiness.

Build Variants This Game Has

Bunker
Power
Conditions

Mix and match these build variants anyway you see fit to match your playstyle.

There is NO single trait in the game that can completely counter a build like Diamond Skin can. Even shout condi cleansing builds is 3x more fair.

Like everyone has said, it’s how the trait mechanic works, it shouldn’t exist in the game.

This. It’s not even about the homogenization. Traits and skills like this prevent condi from ever being part of the meta.

No, it actually should be changed on elementalist to something else.

No immunity to anything should last more than 10 seconds.

For example:

• “Condition duration reduced by 40% of the percentage of health left”.
  So with 80% HP, you get 8% less condition duration. With 50% HP, you get 20% less condition duration, with 20% health left, you get -32% condition duration.

Or

• Whenever you have 3 or more conditions with 5 or more stacks each, lose one of them. (5s recharge)
  To fight condition pressure.

Or

• If you get a condition, lose it and more conditions can’t be applied on you for 5 seconds. (40s recharge)
  To fight initial condition burst.

infantrydiv.1620:

zinkz.7045:

Diamond Skin is a terribly designed trait, it is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have.

There’s a reason hardly any eles use diamond skin…

And I don’t think too many eles would complain if the trait was replaced/redesigned, either. Just be careful what you wish for.

MarkPhilips.5169:

infantrydiv.1620:

zinkz.7045:

Diamond Skin is a terribly designed trait, it is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have.

macro dodge jumps…that is a fine example of the sort of thing a game should not have